Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post ...

FoS: Chezinu

On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

lulz didn't scroll.

So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on.

On July 16 2012 23:07 supersoft wrote:


wifom



how can you like this nonsense?

On July 17 2012 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Palmar since you're here you and I are going to play a lighting round.

Marvellosity
Blazinghand
Rastaban
Supersoft

Scum or town, go.

On July 17 2012 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Could you quote stuff? I didn't realize this was directed at me. I actually do think it's worth pointing out because in a normal game, the only people who suddenly change their minds are DTs who got a red (or green) check. Someone doing an about face is often a good way of lynching scum without having to claim DT. In this game however, it'll be scum doing about faces so I think it's good to get it out there so we don't have to sift through multiple DT claims later in the game.

On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote:

So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? YesIf so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? I want him to change his behavior since the less shit that goes on in the thread the better, he can still be scum but the thread won't be a nightmare to read and we can simply catch him laterDo you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play?That's the point of FoS. I don't do it very often, check previous games Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play?It's important to note that the genesis of my original post stems from the PYP game where chez intentionally acted scummy and got away with it for days I saw him begin what looked like a similar strategy this game and I wanted to point it out so that people would pay attention and not just brush it off as "chez being chez." I have no idea if warning him will make him change his play. If he continues on with his current act then I'll start trying to get him lynched, if he stops then I'll focus on other targets for now. Even if he stops it doesn't preclude him being mafia.

Hi sandroba, you around?

On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:

You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh/syllo/probulus.

On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.

On July 17 2012 03:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
so mattchew lemme get this right, I'm scummy because I "seems to be trying to look sensible and not shitstorm causing." Umm... duh so basically I'm scum because I'm playing protown? That's some pretty wicked logic there.

On July 17 2012 03:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

That's bullshit and you know it lol.

On July 17 2012 03:29 austinmcc wrote:
Matt, your case on Katina is wrong, regardless of what alignment she is.

I posted that bit from iGrok's game. Some of the players in this game played in that game. At least one of the players here read that game closely. If a random lynch is pro-town because it generates information until you pull back the curtain, then it functions differently here, because the curtain is already pulled back (it took all of like 30 seconds to find that post). Can't assume that he's throwing out the random lynch idea for he same reason as normal.

Katina may be wrong about some bits of her case on Palmar, but I think you're also wrong about her.

Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline.

On July 17 2012 00:08 Kurumi wrote:

Cycle is day-night. Half cycle is either day or night. They probably can communicate right now. Mind you, that's only 3 messages. CEO-High Rank-Minion and High Rank-Minion.

On July 17 2012 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think the part where probulous and I got hung up is how you focus most of your post on syllo and provide reasons why he's scum, then tell us we should actually kill layabout and give no reasons.

On July 17 2012 11:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm kinda hamstrung until rastaban gets back so in the meantime I'll throw my name in with the people who want BH dead.


BH is really just going for whoever is currently the flavor of the hour, if you look at his posts he's simply flipped whenever thread opinion has changed. Also his reasons for voting people have been very sheepy, he's been gunning for syllo for the better part of the game but all of a sudden bugs waltzes in with a case and BH flips again.

##Unvote
##Vote: Blazinghand

On July 18 2012 03:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Glad people are paying attention and voting BH.

Posts like this though are a problem. The last thing we want is to give scum more information on sandro's role.



Don't waste your vote like that, try and do something productive.

On July 18 2012 03:17 supersoft wrote:


is this poor attempt to look useful by austin a scumtell or is he just useless all the time?

On July 18 2012 03:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:


You've been very careful and useless so far this game however I don't think I could have made a convincing case on you with your 4 or so posts you had at the time I made my post. You've subsequently posted a little more however they've been just as worthless. I don't think I have enough time to get you lynched today but I'll definitely make a move tomorrow.
...

On July 18 2012 13:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hi I'm here and I and I want a lynch. I had ~15 pages to read in 20 minutes so I may have missed finer points but I notice that sandroba supports a gonzaw lynch so I will be happy with that or BH.

If Matt's vote has been irrevocable placed on gonzaw then we need to see if we have enough people who will switch to gonzaw.

Anyone who will not cooperate with the lynch I will instantly consider scum.

Who's active and can change their vote right now?

On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.

Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.

clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.

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On July 19 2012 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

bugs it doesn't sound like you have a townie wincon anymore.

I had you as a pretty strong town read before so this is rather annoying.

On July 19 2012 06:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Actually I had considered that. I didn't ask you to use it, simply if you were going to.

On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:

I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2.

Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him.

On July 19 2012 10:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

While you're rereading bang bang, have a look at rastaban as well.

On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.

Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill.

On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.

Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill.

Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline.

On July 18 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful

On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you.

On July 20 2012 13:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I really don't think switching is a good idea. This has been a great day for town so far but I don't think it's wise to take our eye off the ball. The last thing we need is a repeat of d1. Let's just kill kurumi and then take things from there.

On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.

Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her?

On July 21 2012 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Seems to me that as soon as sandro sends a message to 4 people he'll be confirmed, I see no reason to kill him until it becomes apparent he can't do this.

On July 25 2012 09:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

No, now you're being thick. I was out most of the latter part of d1 (hence my late vote) I dealt with the situation in the thread when I got there. Not only that, but my read on rastaban d1 was still in it's infancy, I didn't even post a proper case until d2. Palmar was obvious because of his interactions with foolishness like I said, also his all around shitty play didn't help at all. I don't think I ever used the phrase "super-read" lol, I do think rastaban is scum but as I said previously, our lynches have all been used on people who I would consider practically confirmed scum due to circumstances in the thread. Regarding rastaban, I've been the only one on him, while I trust my analysis skills, I'm not going to try and lynch someone on my analysis over someone who's all but claimed scum (kurumi) or was just implicated by the flipped scum CEO (palmar).

On July 25 2012 09:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

What I am concerned about is someone pulling a lone ranger act and shooting me without warning.

On July 25 2012 09:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

What I am concerned about is someone pulling a lone ranger act and shooting me without warning.

On July 25 2012 11:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

no

none of you have a case. Since we're all suggesting targets, I'd say you should lynch zealos. He's just about confirmed red because of sandroba, once he's out of the way we can actually spend the day arguing with each other over who to lynch. While yesterday was great because we killed scum, it kinda sucked in terms of discussion because it was so obvious.

On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke.

On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness.

Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs.

On July 25 2012 15:44 Mattchew wrote:

no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd.

On July 25 2012 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

lol.

You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched.

Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today.

On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:

He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak.

It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time.

It doesn't get much more passive than this:





At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos.

Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.

On July 25 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:
Oki doki, here are my thoughts (so you can hold me accountable, VE )

Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago:

+ Show Spoiler +

Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum.

On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Meapak: Picks on easy targets for the most part. The only one he hard pushs is rastaban who hasn't been too active this game. He makes for an easy target. Meapak continues to push rastaban when it's clear that no one is going to go for it. His Mafia list is pretty meh, As I said the only hard read he has been pushing is rastaban to try and make it look like he's scum hunting so he doesn't draw too much suspicion.

On July 19 2012 08:12 Q-bert-Z wrote:
My fellow workers, I have been given a mask from Chezinu. It looks serious, let's see what it does...

*puts on mask*

Most intriguing. It seems to do nothing. But it looks cool.

I found a book on the floor just now, I think it belongs to Palmar. It was written by Sun Tzu, and when I picked it up I found that it was turned to a page that said "“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle”

If we are to throw off the chains of tyranny we must understand the psyche of the those who would enslave us. The majority of them out there know nothing until the are contacted. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is an enemy of the common worker, but is still at risk of being fired by those over him. They cannot appear too pro-worker or they may be shot. They cannot appear too pro-bureaucrat or they will be fired. If you ask me, this sounds like the position that a Mole is in, where they must focus on surviving the lay-offs. Palmar must have been the owner of the book, because he mentioned this earlier, but nobody really paid attention.

Welp, it's getting hot in here, so I'm going to take this thing off.

*takes mask off*

AMERICA!

On July 27 2012 04:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
sloosh is lying.

fuck this, I'm an alignment cop. N1 I checked sandrob, N2 I didn't get a check because I was away, N3 I checked sloosh and he came back mafia.

This is why I've dropped off on rastaban a bunch. I didn't want to claim because I thought we were going to lynch sloosh as part of the progression of scummy people I've talked about earlier but seeing as it looks like he's going to get completely away with this I'll claim.

On July 27 2012 04:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

No, sloosh is scum.

Think about this claim more dynamically.

On July 27 2012 04:23 marvellosity wrote:


we already know sloosh is scum, mole or otherwise

how is this new information?

On July 27 2012 13:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Great flip, it does make me almost feel like my sheriff was killed though lol!

well I will probably be dying tonight but I'll make a post at the day cycle with how we need to proceed.

On July 27 2012 14:41 Katina wrote:


I'm glad to see that the thread isn't cluttered with people accusing everyone anymore... I did all I could in the begining of the game to help the town and find scum so don't start pointing fingers at me now.