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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 21:51 GMT
#2703
On July 23 2012 06:50 Probulous wrote:
Really guys. I said why I chose VE. I said we will listen to him because he was going to lynch someone. It was a crumb.

Yes ignore my question, I also noticed your previous post which adds more context. Choosing VE makes sense anyway.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:00 GMT
#2712
On July 23 2012 08:55 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 14:04 Chezinu wrote:
town kills: 1 RoL
town and mafia kills: 1 Kurrumi
mafia kills: 4 WBG, Sand, Fool, BH

Seems the mafia are better at killing the mafia than town is at killing mafia.


I know I am asking you a bunch of questions, but that's because I value your opinion. Since VE killed BH, are you saying VE be scum? Similarly, Supersoft/SlOosh...

I already had this conversation with him. He misunderstood BH's role

On July 23 2012 06:20 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
I think he misread BH's role and/or I misinterpreted what he was saying. Either way, I don't think it makes any sense

Correct. I thought he would die if he killed a mafia member (this case foolishness) then the mafia would in turn kill him and the lawyer mafia would blame the craze employee.

(town has a judge and mafia has a lawyer?)


Mattchew what are your thoughts on Palmar? Your post there is a very low effort in the sense you don't even comment on anything topical.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:01 GMT
#2713
Probulous and VE can you vote Palmar? We have 24h, but it's extended majority lynch and there is very little activity so far so I'm a bit worried about us reaching majority.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:12 GMT
#2715
Actually every single person should place a placeholder vote on Palmar unless you guarantee that you will be around later to move your vote to consolidate. No excuse will be sufficient if we later no lynch due to your vote being elsewhere.

By the way, this kind of inquiries are kind suspicious


On July 17 2012 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Palmar since you're here you and I are going to play a lighting round.

Marvellosity
Blazinghand
Rastaban
Supersoft

Scum or town, go.

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:20 GMT
#2718
Bill murray when you have time can you please move q-bert-z's vote on Palmar, thanks
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:33 GMT
#2721
On July 23 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 08:47 Probulous wrote:
I am an idiot. Move along.

Mattchew, do us a favour and stop tunnelling Katina. It makes you look like scum because that is all you ever do.

This isn't an opinion on her alignment... And tunneling would mean I have no other opinions and refuse to vote for anyone else... She is my strongest scum read so no prob, I will not stop pushing her until that changes, and you should know better than to say something stupid like that

Your strongest scum read? Stronger than Palmar? Stronger than the guy who claimed 1-shot vig who can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycle? There is no way she is your strongest read unless you are tunnelling or you are lying; i.e. you are mafia. Vote Palmar.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:36 GMT
#2722
On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote:
I still think we should lynch zealos.

>>CLICK<<

##vote zealos

I think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days.

Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete.

What are you even trying to say here? You aren't even trying layabout. There have been numerous posts explaining the problems people have with palmar's play. Sandroba thought (knew) that Palmar is mafia and sandroba has flipped. He knows palmar very well, so just take his word on him since you are so eager to follow that line of thought?

Palmar isn't even trying anymore. It doesn't get much more obvious mafia than this.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:40 GMT
#2724
Actually layabout there is no way you are town after that post. I actually thought you were town for the post Palmar highlighted, but I guess you are just an "asshole" (palmar's words). In that post you manage to soft attack me, the main force pushing for Palmar lynch and you don't even reach a conclusion. Foolishness flipped mafia so how is his opinion relevant at all. You can't be that stupid as town.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:44 GMT
#2727
Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:46 GMT
#2728
On July 23 2012 09:41 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 09:36 syllogism wrote:
On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote:
I still think we should lynch zealos.

>>CLICK<<

##vote zealos

I think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days.

Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete.

What are you even trying to say here? You aren't even trying layabout. There have been numerous posts explaining the problems people have with palmar's play. Sandroba thought (knew) that Palmar is mafia and sandroba has flipped. He knows palmar very well, so just take his word on him since you are so eager to follow that line of thought?

Palmar isn't even trying anymore. It doesn't get much more obvious mafia than this.

If there are post's then i am sure you can show me them.

This is the best summary in my opinion, thank me later

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15520504
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:54 GMT
#2732
On July 23 2012 09:51 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 09:44 syllogism wrote:
Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational?

I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct.

Palmar makes assertions like he did about BH frequently as both alignments. It's not helpful but it's something he does.

No you don't understand. What is the motivation for mafia CEO Foolishness to irrationally defend Palmar if he thinks Palmar is town. He defended him twice and the defense was bad in both cases. After the random vote defense he moved to claiming palmar filter size serves as "concrete proof" of his alignment.

Actually you do understand, but you are mafia and playing really badly, yawn
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 00:55 GMT
#2735
Gonzaw that "etc" better include Palmar or you too are obvious mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 01:02 GMT
#2743
[QUOTE]On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:
lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.


About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me.
Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?
If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them.
I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum.
Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.


[QUOTE]On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
[/QUOTE]
Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 01:03 GMT
#2744
EBWOP: oops


On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:
lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.


About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me.
Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?
If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them.
I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum.
Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.


Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.

Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 01:05 GMT
#2748
I need to go, Probulous/VE/Katina push Palmar while I'm gone thanks. Anyone who is town has to vote Palmar today. Feel free to lynch me if he doesn't flip mafia.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 01:06 GMT
#2750
On July 23 2012 10:05 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 10:03 syllogism wrote:
EBWOP: oops


On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:
lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.


About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me.
Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?
If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them.
I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum.
Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.


On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.

Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?

Aren't vigis that can't shoot night 1 typical anyway? If he were lying why would he just claim that?

Because he is bad or just didn't know
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 08:20 GMT
#2801
Bill murray can you make q-bert-z vote Palmar? We really need the votes
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 08:25 GMT
#2802
Also if GGQ doesn't show up, he shouldn't count towards the lynch treshhold. I don't understand why he wasn't replaced days ago
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 08:47 GMT
#2804
On July 23 2012 11:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Alright done!

I'm happy with a Palmar lynch, no need to rehash things there.

I don't think GGQ is scum. I honestly think he doesn't have enough time.

Rastaban is still very much scum and I'd love if people would start paying attention to him more. In fact, I'll update my case with his latest and greatest when I get the chance.

I'm leaning scum on sloosh. There's so much wrong with his claim's timing and that doesn't even take into account him not shooting kurumi.

This is just what I have from my initial read through. I'll go over things more carefully, update the rastaban case, and come to a decision about sloosh as time allows.

For now: ##Vote: Palmar

You didn't actually vote
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 12:05 GMT
#2817
Nice effort Palmar. I would like to remind everyone that you are basically claiming mafia if you don't vote Palmar before the day ends. Some of you may still be able to salvage what can be salvaged, but if you vote anyone else, you are voting with this guy

On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote:
I still think we should lynch zealos.

>>CLICK<<

##vote zealos

I think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days.

Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete.

Yes it's certainly worth bearing in mind that mafia CEO, another flipped mafia and the #1 lynch candidate today who is also mafia wanted to lynch me whole game long. Meanwhile he ignores sandro's town read on me despite sandro flipping town and he likely knows me better than even palmar does. This may just be the worst attempt at discrediting someone I have seen.
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