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On July 23 2012 00:52 syllogism wrote:
After palmar we should definitely lynch into sloosh/zealos/austinmcc/meapak. Even if they all flip mafia, not quite sure who the remaining two are, though the pool of possible candidates isn't very large. Mass claim by that point may be a good idea.
I am such a fan of mass claims.
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what? you stole slooshs power and he has a daykill ability? LOL
we can use that to instashoot him :D
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hmm i think he might say the truth about his role. somewhere he claims that he believes that there are more blue kp in the game...
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On July 23 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote:
I read the role, but it seems like such a dumb strategy, especially with the claims being clearly so poorly thought out. I suppose if Supersoft is fake claiming it might make some sense
mh no i am not. I know there are no clues in this game, but:
+ Show Spoiler +
"hey i want to kill foolishness.
reasoning, so you don't think i am of unsound mind if i fail:
1. I think i might die tonight. Every fairly skilled player is under heavy suspicion right now. That makes me a good target, because i established my townieness pretty well.
2. I don't buy this LOL-story and the d1 lynch. wiggles did the exact same thing in LV and he was scum and noone listened to me
3. Among these 4 players: Syllo, Sandro, Palmar, Foolishness has to be atleast one mafiaguy. And I think Sandroba is clear, syllo is kind of clear and Palmar at least has some little moments, however I believe he might be scum, too. If foolishness isn't, Palmar is for sure.
haha, maybe you can express my uncertainty in the nighpost :D
I am just thinking about the possibility, that foolish is town, scum shoots sandroba and we're all dead :D
okay let's do this. If i screw up, i'll play under some smurf for a while because I can't live with the guilt :D"
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On July 23 2012 03:41 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote:
I read the role, but it seems like such a dumb strategy, especially with the claims being clearly so poorly thought out. I suppose if Supersoft is fake claiming it might make some sense mh no i am not. I know there are no clues in this game, but: + Show Spoiler +
"hey i want to kill foolishness.
reasoning, so you don't think i am of unsound mind if i fail:
1. I think i might die tonight. Every fairly skilled player is under heavy suspicion right now. That makes me a good target, because i established my townieness pretty well.
2. I don't buy this LOL-story and the d1 lynch. wiggles did the exact same thing in LV and he was scum and noone listened to me
3. Among these 4 players: Syllo, Sandro, Palmar, Foolishness has to be atleast one mafiaguy. And I think Sandroba is clear, syllo is kind of clear and Palmar at least has some little moments, however I believe he might be scum, too. If foolishness isn't, Palmar is for sure.
haha, maybe you can express my uncertainty in the nighpost :D
I am just thinking about the possibility, that foolish is town, scum shoots sandroba and we're all dead :D
okay let's do this. If i screw up, i'll play under some smurf for a while because I can't live with the guilt :D"
referring to this:
"He had been feeling uncertain about life, death, and continuing to work for this demonic corporation already, and now he discovered that one of his colleagues had died on the job."
I aksed if bullets get refunded at night1. So I knew exactly, that it is possible that we both could have shot foolish.
However the first thing i thought when i read slooshs claim was: He didn't kill him. It was only me in the nightpost.
That was the thinking process behind my first post today:
On July 22 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:Awesome on two counts! I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. As you know I've been spending a majority of my time figuring him out and was wavering because he had a good case on BM which I agree with, yet chose to do exactly that a case on BM. I was torn on trying to figure out meta and trusting people's reads, but VE's grilling brought out cold hard, in-thread contradictions that I understand and trust. Probulous I'm assuming is some sort of kingmaker (?) - and he made VE king to lynch BH. Prob has also said that Chezinu is some sort of rolecop: On July 22 2012 10:47 Probulous wrote:
Time to read that Ole foolish filter. I don't think Chez is scum. He worked out my role but never outed it. I think he can check the names of roles because he correctly emphasised the first three letters of mine to me and only me. Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role? On July 22 2012 03:23 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 22 2012 02:20 Palmar wrote:
I haven't caught up since last night. Did Chez ever claim messenger role? The way Chez does, yes. And he sent me a message so... I forgot who said it (was quite recently) that scum and town may have mirror/similar abilities. Sandroba was a clear instance of a town messenger - use ability to find out scum. Chezinu or whoever is sending seems like they are sending messages of confusion (house of Chezinu etc.). In any case I still have to do more rereading & filtering in light of the new information influx. Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. You didn't kill foolishness.
then I left and took a shower. I then realized, that this is a noclue game, and the nightpost is irrelevant. However I took a closer look at sloosh:
On July 22 2012 19:12 supersoft wrote:
yes i shot foolishness and i am the towndreamflower.
However it's possible, that be both shot him. vigs dont get their bullets back when 2 shot the same target.
But I still don't buy it.
He didn't shoot foolishness.
here i thouhgt i might be too suspicious towards him
On July 22 2012 19:22 syllogism wrote:
I don't like how he spends a whole paragraph explaining why he shot him. If he shot him, it's likely that he would be more confident as there is no reason to assume someone else shot him and thus little reason to explain his rationale in such detail. He doesn't seem confident at all. He also never posted anything in-thread that indicated he was "wavering" or changing his mind on foolishness.
but syllo backed up my read:
On July 22 2012 19:32 supersoft wrote:
yes. his claim looks extremely fake. i bet crazed employee is his fake-PM.
All scummembers have a fakePM i bet his is that crazed employee.
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On July 23 2012 12:42 Chezinu wrote:
OK! First OFF, The mafia is panicking!! have you seen how many mafia posts there are pre-page 139? SOOO many.. I just skipped most of them to avoid hurting my sound town mind. If you would pick someone randomly to kill from those pages you will likey hit scum. Just avoid Prob, cause I likes him.
Prob, just noticed the exact same thing I noticed about slOosh and someone breadcrumb my suspensions. Therefore,
##Vote slOosh
oh and mafia try and calm yourselves down. Your just outing yourselves. I know your angry about the CEO and how he played. But you don't have to complain openly about it in the thread, making you obvious scum for the lynch. See what I did thar? oh and gonaz, stop trying to communicate secretly in the thread. You aren't skilled as me, thanks.
they're always panicking if you start cutting the heads off >:-D
to increase the panic we lynch in the following order:
palmar
meapak_ziph
sloOsh
gonzaw
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when i come home i will clean this miss up.
we must lynch palmar today.
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risk that makes no sense. you have two options. stick with syllo and me and help town, or you do your own thing and screw up everything.
if you convince only one that doesnt switch back, we risk a nolynch.
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On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless.
the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous 
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Okay I am home, let's clean up.
First of all, I want you to explain what really happened this game:
It's always the same, the scumvets and the townvets fight for the townleadership. 2 Townvets, syllogism and sandroba had an insanely strong start.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.
##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on. So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote:
Wow, that was useful...
Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup.
Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in.
Thoughts? My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations.
I knew that they were town from the first couple of posts.
Foolishness and Palmar saw that, too. I know exactly that they saw it because they tried to attack both of them instantly. There is no way, that Palmar honestly thought that syllogism is scum at the end of day1.
On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.
he even tried to pull me on his side. So my first allegation is basically this:
Palmar attacks Syllogism even though he knows that he's town.
Second allegation:
Some people are wondering why we chose Palmar all of a sudden, while I for example was defending him until n2. As you see, I faked it.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh/syllo/probulus. ah I corrected that list for you ;-) *stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle. + Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote:
Town-vets&
26. Palmar town
3. Sandroba town
11. Supersoft town
???-Vets&
6. Foolishness
10. Meapak_Ziphh
16. GGQ
7. VisceraEyes
15. syllogism
Troll
8. Bill Murray
18. Chezinu
dead
25. RebirthofLegend town
19. Kurumi town
13. Wherebugsgo town
yes you do VE.
I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead.
There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me.
1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense.
syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ
if one of the trolls is scum
and i made one mistake,
2 of you are scum On July 22 2012 03:40 supersoft wrote:
no wtf are you doing to me. I refiltered palmar and I agree on everything he says except syllogism and katina. this was extremely fake. Sorry I had to do that, I wanted to lull Palmar into a false sense of security. On July 22 2012 04:15 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 04:07 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2012 03:32 supersoft wrote:
ah very well. Palmar do youi have any powers? Even if I thought revealing my role was beneficial, why would I do it during the night? maybe i am a vig and i don't want to misfire. :-D this however was extremely real. I had Palmars kill already typed in several times at n2.
I was suspicious of Palmar right from the start, when he attacked syllo and sandro for no reason. I wanted to see how Palmar plays without pressure and we all saw it:
He was fucking useless.
Third: His roleclaim *facepalm*
On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless.
the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous
LET'S LYNCH THAT SCUM
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On July 23 2012 23:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 23:16 supersoft wrote:On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless. the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous At the time I thought BH was town, and I thought he'd get lynched. I actually meant to pardon him, which is pretty terrible. Sorry for the shitty play.
it's nothing personal Palmar, it's purely business.
MAN I have such a guilty conscience when I have to lynch one of you guys...
Foolishness already was so sad, that I shot him...
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his greenflip makes sense balancewise.
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On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote:
I read somewhere that I didn't say or vote for Palmar until the wagon started to form on him. That is not true at all, I have been pushing Palmar since D1 and put my vote on him after BH was lynched since he was next on my list to lynch.
true.
On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote:
It is true that the Mafia are panicking now. (gonzaw's case on me and risk's sheeping along and claiming to not stop until I'm lynchng) I don't believe sloosh's claim and I think that he has a high chance of flipping Mafia. Once Palmar flips then we need to focus our attention on the others. gonzaw, Layabout, Meapak, risk.nuke, sloosh.
also true.
You seem a little nervous though. don't worry young lady we got this.
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On July 24 2012 00:03 supersoft wrote:Okay I am home, let's clean up.First of all, I want you to explain what really happened this game: It's always the same, the scumvets and the townvets fight for the townleadership. 2 Townvets, syllogism and sandroba had an insanely strong start. + Show Spoiler +On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.
##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh lulz didn't scroll. So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on. So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play? Hi sandroba, you around? On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote:
Wow, that was useful...
Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup.
Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in.
Thoughts? My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. I knew that they were town from the first couple of posts. Foolishness and Palmar saw that, too. I know exactly that they saw it because they tried to attack both of them instantly. There is no way, that Palmar honestly thought that syllogism is scum at the end of day1. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. he even tried to pull me on his side. So my first allegation is basically this:
Palmar attacks Syllogism even though he knows that he's town.Second allegation: Some people are wondering why we chose Palmar all of a sudden, while I for example was defending him until n2. As you see, I faked it. + Show Spoiler +On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh/syllo/probulus. ah I corrected that list for you ;-) *stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle. + Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom. this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him. On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote:
Town-vets&
26. Palmar town
3. Sandroba town
11. Supersoft town
???-Vets&
6. Foolishness
10. Meapak_Ziphh
16. GGQ
7. VisceraEyes
15. syllogism
Troll
8. Bill Murray
18. Chezinu
dead
25. RebirthofLegend town
19. Kurumi town
13. Wherebugsgo town
yes you do VE.
I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead.
There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me.
1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense.
syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ
if one of the trolls is scum
and i made one mistake,
2 of you are scum On July 22 2012 03:40 supersoft wrote:
no wtf are you doing to me. I refiltered palmar and I agree on everything he says except syllogism and katina. this was extremely fake. Sorry I had to do that, I wanted to lull Palmar into a false sense of security. On July 22 2012 04:15 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 04:07 Palmar wrote:On July 22 2012 03:32 supersoft wrote:
ah very well. Palmar do youi have any powers? Even if I thought revealing my role was beneficial, why would I do it during the night? maybe i am a vig and i don't want to misfire. :-D this however was extremely real. I had Palmars kill already typed in several times at n2. I was suspicious of Palmar right from the start, when he attacked syllo and sandro for no reason. I wanted to see how Palmar plays without pressure and we all saw it:
He was fucking useless.Third: His roleclaim *facepalm* Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless. the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous LET'S LYNCH THAT SCUM
you guys clearly don't read the thread.
On July 24 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote:
I am voting Palmar.
I unintentionally saved BH from a day 1 lynch.
Sandroba saying Palmar was the best reason I could find, and I trust that sandroba is smarter than I.
My vote is late and meaningless, but it does help ensure a lynch.
##vote: Palmar
On July 24 2012 05:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he doesn't care about the game. He only pops in to provide either displeasure or assent with the present target and then pops off...this isn't townPalmar behavior. Alright. I'm gonna trust you/sandroba/syllo/whoever else. My read on him still isn't much away from null, but for someone who knows Palmar better that may be telling in itself
because of the similar names and the similar limited abilitys I'll treat you as one person from now on.
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i hope you're scum so I can lynch you later.
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good god you have 11 filterpages of trash.
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hillarious how everyone wants the fame for this lynch, even though he hasn't flipped yet.
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flip should have been 40minutes ago :-(
I have business to do tomorrow
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On July 24 2012 09:51 syllogism wrote:
See no need to make cases, just yell at/blackmail people until they vote right
gj
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