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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:06 GMT
#1562
VE if that is what your details post was about I am really disapointed.

In your own words you said that there were things that "jumped out at you" but there is nothing in that post that jumps out at me. In fact most of it is about stuff that happened after that post.

What jumped out you man?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:19 GMT
#1569
On July 19 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 09:02 Probulous wrote:
On July 19 2012 09:00 Bill Murray wrote:
Someone could have stolen his vote


Why? That is what I am trying to work out.

Cause I wasn't on either lynch so I would be an automatic +1 (without subtracting from either side)

Which does exactly what?

See, mafia gain no benefit from it. If their intention was to get a misslynch well they failed. Given they initially moved your vote onto Gonzaw who had less votes I could see them playing for a no lynch but then they move it to BH right at the deadline bringing a lynch closer, but they still failed. Why move it back?

Honestly I am starting to think that whoever used it was just trying to mess with us, so I am going to drop it.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:23 GMT
#1574
On July 19 2012 09:22 marvellosity wrote:
Katina, this game you are not a "chosen one", so you do not get included in such posts.


She is right though. She was the first on Palmar (a weak case but her intentions were clear). No need to bring her down.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:24 GMT
#1577
oops I think I misinterpreted your tone their marvel...
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:25 GMT
#1578
@VisceraEyes

Are you ignoring me? Come on son, you can't post a wall of text and then disappear. People will think you are mafia.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 00:58 GMT
#1614
Well played bugs.

Can we assume a single Kp for scum then.
On July 02 2012 16:07 Protactinium wrote:
Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline.

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 01:03 GMT
#1617
On July 19 2012 09:42 Chezinu wrote:
If town has no vigis... then that would make kurumi more likely town...


Can you explain this Chez? If town couldn't kill him, scum certainly wouldn't.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 01:13 GMT
#1620
On July 19 2012 09:54 sandroba wrote:
As long as the higher ups are still alive this game is horribly imbalanced in favor of mafia. But IF we can kill them off soon all communication will be lost and this will be a long drawn out game where mafia and town both have to eliminate each other completely to win. So that should be our goal for the following days.


Given that, wouldn't it be better to leave Kurumi alive today and try and kill the senior management. As long as he is willing to vote with us he is not a threat. It is highly unlikely he has more than one power, or nuke. If there is no announcement in the next 24 hrs we know he doesn't have a second nuke. No-one is going to listen to him either so he is essentially vanilla.

To me it makes sense to kill our biggest threat first. I know we have to kill Kurumi eventually but right now that gives mafia a free day of not being in the spotlight.

Am I crazy?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 01:15 GMT
#1621
On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi.


I don't know, it doesn't sound like something scum would do either. I agree with Sandro, we need to focus on the senior management.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 01:25 GMT
#1628
OK, we kill Kurumi.

##Vote: Kurumi

If we can only kill one person at a time during both day and night then can we speed up this particular day? Everyone will be voting Kurumi and if the whole 48hrs is used people are just going to AFK.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 02:11 GMT
#1635
I think those are the minions below the roles Sandroba. In other words he has tried to place the roles in each stream (marketing, chairman)
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 03:41 GMT
#1641
Foolishness, do you think BM is an executive?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 04:18 GMT
#1643
On July 19 2012 09:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 09:25 Probulous wrote:
@VisceraEyes

Are you ignoring me? Come on son, you can't post a wall of text and then disappear. People will think you are mafia.


Can't a guy compose a post in peace? Cheese and rice. Gimme a sec!


...
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 04:45 GMT
#1646
I'm sure Matt's stealer is scum - it switched against the consolidation


slOosh, nice to see you around. Just a clarification, Matt's vote actually ended up on BH. It was switched back right before the deadline.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 05:00 GMT
#1649
On July 19 2012 13:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
No actually. If I do people will claim that I was faking the whole stealing thing in the first place. I'd rather see where whoever is controlling my vote (most likely scum) puts it. When I don't get modkilled for failure to vote people will have confirmation that this is a real role. This also clears mattchew to a certain extent because we know he wasn't faking his claim. He could of course still be scum but at least he's not lying just to muddy the waters.


Apparently onto Foolishness. I agree that it makes Mattchew's claim more believable.

On July 19 2012 12:34 Protactinium wrote:
Foolishness (1)
Meapak_Ziphh

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 05:25 GMT
#1652
Yet it boils down to a case on BM - I was hoping for something on ... a player of different stature than BM.
That is my feeling too, hence why I asked my question regarding the executive. I honestly think we need to focus on the information structure of the mafia. Now could BM be an executive? Maybe, if the roles were randomed then it is certainly a possibility but given the hosts never answered my question regarding role randoming I am happy to assume that not all roles are randomed. Given the calibre of this player list I think that is a reasonable assumption. So this
Who cares? Any attempt to try to distinguish whether a suspect is an executive or not is retarded.
Is not a helpful response at all. I just asked for an opinion. He seems to disagree with Syllo and Sandroba that targeting the executive is a good idea. Why? I don't know. I for one do care if BM is an executive because that is who we need to kill.

Yes finding scum is our ultimate goal, but there are currently 9 scum running around. Three of which are in executive roles. Given we are killing a minion (Kurumi had a role) I think it prudent to try and ascertain the leadership but apparently that is "retarded".
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 05:36 GMT
#1654
On July 19 2012 14:31 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 14:25 Probulous wrote:
Yes finding scum is our ultimate goal, but there are currently 9 scum running around. Three of which are in executive roles. Given we are killing a minion (Kurumi had a role) I think it prudent to try and ascertain the leadership but apparently that is "retarded".


The problem is that trying to ascertain leadership is like there's a police shootout with some criminals and the Probulous is there and he's like "oh hey I wonder, are those bullets 7.62x39mm or 5.66x45mm?" and everyone else is like "SHUT UP JUST SHOOT" and he's like "why are you calling me retarded? I think it prudent to try and ascertain the caliber of these bullets " and is totally unaware that it's not possible to find out and not nearly as important as the objective at hand


Urgh. Whatever man. I would love to be able to just shutup and shoot but we can't.

We can only kill one person per day. If I had my way, it would be the senior management, so I am focusing my scumhunting on senior players because I believe the hosts would not have put someone like Zealos (for example) as the CEO. Now is BM a senior player? I don't know, hence my question.

To use your example, I am trying to take out the guy organising the killing, rather than the one reloading the guns.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 23:25 GMT
#1873
Sandroba, do you get to message people directly or via the host?

If the message is anonymous, how would Zealos know it came from you? We don't know if scum can send messages to townies so ignoring the message is not a bad idea in my mind. Am I missing something?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 23:29 GMT
#1876
On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.

So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH.

Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah


This makes absolutely no sense...Like 0

Note to self: Risk has done nothing but defend himself and call people stupid.

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 19 2012 23:30 GMT
#1877
On July 20 2012 08:27 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 08:25 Probulous wrote:
Sandroba, do you get to message people directly or via the host?

If the message is anonymous, how would Zealos know it came from you? We don't know if scum can send messages to townies so ignoring the message is not a bad idea in my mind. Am I missing something?


yes. go back and think about it. If scum sends you a message and you're town, what do you do?


LOL, call this pre-coffee stupidity. Sorry guys
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
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