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On July 19 2012 07:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Who cares? Vigis should shoot scum, and anyone that's confirmed scum should die immediately.
This is a closed setup, speculating about whether the nuke use is one shot or not is pointless. We don't know and we can't know. Telling vigis to shoot elsewhere is a recipe for a townie getting shot.
This. We fucked up by assuming RoL's nuke was real and not lynching scum yesterday. We rectify that tonight if we can so we can lynch someone else tomorrow.
On the surface I was almost swayed Q's (is it Quatol?) logic, but no I think Bugs is right in this case. He's proven he has KP and that he's willing to use it like a fucking idiot. If we have a vig, they should be killing Kurumi THIS night imo. We have a good start for tomorrow if he's out of the way...and if he's not then we HAVE to lynch him.
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1. I know. I troll.
2. Lurking game you not playing in in spite of not having time to play them. Got it. 
<3
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![[image loading]](http://greatdaygetaways.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/argh.gif) The Ravings of a Supressed VisceraEyes
Kurumi, layabout, Zealos, Foolishness, Meapak_Ziphh, syllogism
In order from who should be dead to who I'd be least comfortable lynching.
Kurumi is as good as dead, so I'm not gonna say much. He's our best lynch tomorrow if he lives the night. I will say however that given his new lease on life, he's not doing much in the way of scum hunting and appears more interested in discrediting those who are and sowing doubt.
layabout is still doing very little. He's subdued and not actively engaging people as I'd expect him to do. His comeback post
+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2012 10:35 layabout wrote:
Not game relevant:
I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution.
In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try.
After i die i will bugger off.
I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo.
Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town.
##vote gonzaw
I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint.
Reads mostly like an Appeal to Emotion. Like…why not /out of the game if "something snapped last game"? Rather than stay /in to the game and do fuck-all? I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. Also he says that he's voting for Gonzaw because "He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint" but fails to elaborate on how or why other than "I'm not sure how he can think that both Foolishness and syllogism are scum"…which is funny because at this point that's where I'm at too.
Zealos is playing very much like he did in MTG (I think?). I thought he was scum then for many of the same things I'm witnessing this game: lurking, not contributing, not caring about the lynch. I'd really like some of his thoughts in general, but he seems pigeonholed into posting about what's happening currently…which in my experience is a scum-tell (damage-control, attempting to look contributory, etc.) Also he appeals to emotion here:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote:
Well this is a fun game to play :3
Nothing major or concrete - just my read.
Foolishness is on my radar. He's not really contributing much. He's sitting back and casting doubt on anyone who's suspicious of him. It reminds me heavily of the play of BC in Storm. He's not a credible lynch for tomorrow, but keep eyes on the Foolish one.
syllogism is pinging my scumdar mainly because of his read on Palmar. I've got a pretty hefty town-read on Palmar, mainly based on his reads. However, the fact that syllo has a scum read on one of my town reads isn't really the core of the issue. The core is the fact that it's SYLLOGISM and he's basing his read on TONE AND ATTITUDE.
Syllo is logical to a fault (look at his fucking name!) He says that in spite of agreeing with a lot of the content Palmar puts out, he thinks he's scum based on tone and attitude. Further, he doesn't even really say WHAT ABOUT Palmar's attitude/tone is indicative of scum.
MZ is scummy. Isn't contributing much and is conveniently absent for the lynch (iirc...I might be wrong as I wasn't here for the latter part.) My weakest read but one of Palmar's strongest...which warrants his name being in red since we agree at least.
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On July 19 2012 09:25 Probulous wrote:
@VisceraEyes
Are you ignoring me? Come on son, you can't post a wall of text and then disappear. People will think you are mafia.
Can't a guy compose a post in peace? Cheese and rice. Gimme a sec!
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Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.
So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH.
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MZ was my weakest read anywaqy. I haven't gone to look at rastaban and intend look into the case further when I get a chance. Right now I'm on limited time so I just popped in to say "Hey, that post Prob keeps talking about isn't coming" and to see what Palmar had to say this morning.
In short, no...the fact that MZ put forth a case does not change my read on him. The quality/relevance of his case might, but the fact alone does not.
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MZ's case is bad. Most of what he's calling rasta out on is non-alignment indicative and mostly what he's guitly of himself...particularly in regard to the D1 lynch.
My read of MZ is not affected by his case marv. I looked at his case and most of it looked thrown together...for instance, he calls out rasta for "setup speculation" but considering he came in a little later than most, it doesn't seem fair to call him scum for weighing in on this stuff...just because it doesn't matter to MZ doesn't mean it doesn't matter to anyone else. And he doesn't even like...go on and on about it either, just succinctly gives his opinions.
MZ, what was the purpose of your case on rastaban? Do you think he has a high probability of flipping Executive?
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Rasta had a good point in asking me what he did about RL too - like, I've gone on record stating my stance on D1 lynches...and I have a fair amount of confidence in my D1 reads. He was absolutely right to question the ease at which I relinquish control of the D
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1 lynch.
Sorry about the triple post, I'm typing fast so my boss don't see >.> <.<
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Do tell. For instance, many of the vets have spent the entire game speculating about the setup - how is that any less indicative of them being scum? The fact is this game has interesting mechanics and everyone understanding them is going to work in town's favor.
What in particular did you agree with in MZ's case marv?
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So...nothing in particular? Just a reitteration of your previous non-informative summary?
Son, I am disappoint.
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On July 20 2012 05:46 marvellosity wrote:
Are you purposefully being stupid?
:/
/ignored
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On July 20 2012 06:00 marvellosity wrote:
good. you ask what i particularly like the case.
I quote the part where I said what I particularly liked about the case and why, and you post some drivel. If that's the level of cognitive thought you're capable of this game then ignore away.
IN PARTICULAR! I asked you SPECIFICALLY what you liked about his case! What parts of it did you find alignment indicative? What about it makes you think that you were wrong about MZ, that he's NOT pushing an easy lurky candidate and is NOT scum like you thought?
You're accusing me of being stupid and you're being MALICIOUSLY obtuse! DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING DESTROY THE THREAD MARV BECAUSE I'LL FUCKING DO IT
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On July 20 2012 05:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:01 marvellosity wrote:
I'd like to give this some love. I started off reading it sceptically but at the end I was down with it. Meapak demonstrates in rastaban what I would classify as the classic mafia mindset in this setup - not rocking the boat, going with the flow, not drawing attention to yourself with dissent. rastaban this game is classic mafia.
This doesn't sound like you're "perfectly happy to discuss anything with me" marv. This sounds like you're annoyed at even having to respond to my question IN SPITE OF YOU SEEKING OUT MY OPINION.
No, I'm done with you. DONE marv.
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On July 20 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 20 2012 06:00 marvellosity wrote:
good. you ask what i particularly like the case.
I quote the part where I said what I particularly liked about the case and why, and you post some drivel. If that's the level of cognitive thought you're capable of this game then ignore away. IN PARTICULAR! I asked you SPECIFICALLY what you liked about his case! What parts of it did you find alignment indicative? What about it makes you think that you were wrong about MZ, that he's NOT pushing an easy lurky candidate and is NOT scum like you thought? You're accusing me of being stupid and you're being MALICIOUSLY obtuse! DO YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING DESTROY THE THREAD MARV BECAUSE I'LL FUCKING DO IT ok let's not ruin the thread. what about my quote didn't you understand? 1) I said the part I particularly liked was where MZ said rastaban was always going with the flow and never dissenting 2) I said that is what I viewed as classic mafia mindset in this setup 3) MZ brought this to the thread where it had not been shown before I don't understand what you think is missing from this explanation
"Let's not ruin the thread...but here's more bullshit to respond to."
No, we're done here marv.
##Vote: Kurumi
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On July 20 2012 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
or you just won't answer for reasons I can't comprehend. you're a very very strange person.
Because you called me stupid for no reason. I'm stepping away so I don't lose my shit.
Now stop instigating.
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D3 Lynch IMO IMO
Foolishness
syllogism
GGQ
I vastly prefer Foolishness, as I feel he has the highest probability of flipping scum AND some sort of Executive. syllogism is like...syllogism. He's capable of looking town (to me) regardless of alignment. People like Palmar who know his mind better than me are able to read him better. And if he's scum, you'd better believe he's an Executive. GGQ is starting to look like a good lynch too, and him being in two previous Sleeper-Cell games lends credibility to the idea that he could have some sort of Executive role this game.
However based on pure skill and experience, I much prefer a Foolishness lynch if we're aiming for the higher-ups tomorrow. I think that's the best play because A) it will greatly cripple the mafia communication structure (in theory) and B) due to the Executives having the most information of the scums, they should be the easiest to find via standard, universally accepted means of scumhunting (association, VCA, etc.), again, in theory.
I don't think MZ is playing like he rolled executive. I think he'd be playing more passively as an Executive, the way Foolish is. He's definitely good enough, but I just don't think that's what's going on here. If we lynch Foolish D3 and he flips town, my D4 lynch list will probably look very different.
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LMAO
Sand if you're scum this game....SAND IF YOU'RE EFFING SCUM BRO
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So okay wait...sandroba I want your opinion on this.
Chances are Zealos is a minion, right? In all probability. So...do we go for the PRs in practically confirmed scum tomorrow or do we proceed with Operation: CEObliterate?
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No upward or lateral communication Chez- are you claiming the other messenger PR?
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