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We shouldn't make assumptions of what Foolishness said/did.
If Foolishness actually thought Palmar was scum and wanted to defend him he wouldn't use stupid reasons as "If his filter is longer than 3 pages then he's town" to defend him, since it's obvious they are stupid.
He may also have not been sure Palmar was scum and could be town, so he could have just wanted to avert some suspicion on him via shitty reasons so to keep Palmar around for later and figure out his alignment via orders and shit.
Foolishness defending Palmar like that doesn't say anything about Palmar.
On July 23 2012 09:55 syllogism wrote:
Gonzaw that "etc" better include Palmar or you too are obvious mafia
Wtf is wrong with you? Are you scum?
Why are you pushing so much for Palmar yet completely ignore players like Zealos who haven't done anything ever since D1 and sandro even outed him?
Answer me why we aren't lynching Zealos today.
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Or Katina or austin for that matter.
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layabout, do you think Palmar is town or do you just not want him lynched today?
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[QUOTE]On July 23 2012 10:02 syllogism wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:
lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me.
Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?
If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them.
I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum.
Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
[QUOTE]On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
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Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?[/QUOTE]
It is odd, but why the fuck would he claim that as scum?
Like I said, if he was scum, why wouldn't he just claim "vig that can shoot from N2 onwards" or something? It doesn't make sense for him to fake-claim that as scum.
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lol layabout stealing the words from my mouth before I post 
If he didn't shoot Foo and is scum I don't see why he would even fake-claim in the first place.
I've never seen a game where a scum fake-claimed a vig shot from someone else, specially if it's the beginning of the game.
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On July 23 2012 10:04 Probulous wrote:
Ok you two, what do you think about Foolishness going balls to the wall against Syllo and BM but not Palmar.
Regarding Foolishness's Actions:
On July 22 2012 12:15 Probulous wrote:
Palmar is interesting because he (Fool) was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar.
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I don't think Foo' ever said he wanted to lynch Palmar or even implied it.
Foolishness was discredited basically from the get-go, I don't think anyone ever took his cases seriously, I know I didn't (with his BM case at least).
Someone everybody thinks is "obvious scum" can do whatever he wants and accuse/defend whoever he wants to confuse town, since he knows he won't be taken seriously.
Prob, what do you think of Katina or Zealos, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of any of them?
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On July 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. is remarkably similar to this On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost. From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani). he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams)
Mattchew, why exactly do you think Katina is scum?
I agree that she's likely scum, but I want to see your reasoning for it.
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On July 23 2012 10:30 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:24 gonzaw wrote:On July 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. is remarkably similar to this On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost. From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani). he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams) Mattchew, why exactly do you think Katina is scum? I agree that she's likely scum, but I want to see your reasoning for it. I said it before using a WBG quote on how to quote her. I think she is accusing people for things other people (or herself) are doing. I don't think a lot of the things in her cases are logical and she was told by wbg (in advice to improve her scum play) to make more cases on more people, which I think she's forced out this game.
I take it you agree with what I posted about her then?
Anyways Mattchew, what about austin/supersoft/Zealos? If Katina isn't today's lynch, who would you lynch?
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I'd like marv's opinions as well, he has been pretty silent lately as far as I've read.
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On July 23 2012 10:48 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:23 gonzaw wrote:On July 23 2012 10:04 Probulous wrote:
Ok you two, what do you think about Foolishness going balls to the wall against Syllo and BM but not Palmar. Regarding Foolishness's Actions: On July 22 2012 12:15 Probulous wrote:
Palmar is interesting because he (Fool) was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar. I don't think Foo' ever said he wanted to lynch Palmar or even implied it. Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:
It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent. Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 03:21 Foolishness wrote:
Sloosh, HiroPro, Bill Murray, MZ, austin, syllogism, GGQ, yourself, Kurumi, Mattchew, marvellosity, risk,nuke, Qbertz, Palmar, and Zealos. Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 02:32 Foolishness wrote:
Palmar - number of pages in filter by start of day 3 by game
Mafia
iGrok's Normal - 2.8
Emergency Mini - replaced in and had less than 1 page of filter
Liar game - 3.5
Werewolves - 2.5
Town
PYP redux - 3
JubJub - 4.2
Resistance 2 - 7 pages by start of Mission 3
Arkham City - 11.5
Mafia L - 3 pages at end of day 1 (he was lynched)
Election Mafia - 9 pages under hydra with syllogism.
This game you have barely made it to page 4....hmmm.... All soft accusations against him. Considering his absolute defense of Palmar Day 1, I consider this an accusation. My whole point is that he went out of his way to distance himself from his early defense without outright pushing Palmar like he did Syllo and BM.
The way I see it Foo' defended Palmar from early accusations based on his RL deal and nothing else.
I don't see why scum Foo' would not put suspicion on Palmar afterwards, considering 90% of his defense on Palmar was "if he's scum he has less than 3 pages of filter by D3", which wasn't much of a defense per se but rather not letting suspicious be cast on Palmar right off the bat.
Hell if I know, maybe he was counting on his defense of Palmar being so shitty it would get people's attentions? Foo acted too obvious this game, but I don't know if he'd act that obvious in front of another scumbuddy.
Either way, I won't really take it into account, since it's not that strong of a connection.
I did. I took his original Syllo case very seriously. Are you reading the thread?
He wasn't "obvious scum" by then (at least by some people).
I was considering his case on BM mostly, although I didn't really take his case on syllo too seriously (since it was just "syllo gives advice when scum" which seemed pretty weak to me, even if I agreed with him at that time) so I may be biased.
Show nested quote +Prob, what do you think of Katina or Zealos, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of any of them? Because I think he is more likely scum than those two. Zealos could be Zealos, could be town, could be scum. I mean Kurumi flipped town and we know Zealos wasn't reading the thread. Katina, right now is townie to me. I will always go back and reread but right now neither are deserving of the lynch. Both you guys have been absent and we have just killed two scum, but instead of trying to read carefully and see where we are coming from you jump into the thread with different targets and try to derail the lynch. Why? You don't present evidence for Palmar being town. Just that Palmar is Palmar.
Here is the kind of post I'm talking about:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=67#1336
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=85#1692
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=85#1693
He puts too much effort in making those posts, effort he doesn't have at all when he's scum (e.g read his filter from iGrok's game I posted earlier)
I obviously disagree with some of his reads (his read on me obviously, and maybe syllo/laya who I'm not too sure about atm), but you can see he goes through the effort to justify them at least.
When he's scum he just trolls, he votes someone (like when he voted me on iGrok's game) and then disappears or does something completely irrelevant, he doesn't take the effort to justify his reads, specially not past-D1 (which is the day he "tries the most" to appear townie when scum, but then he just completely stops caring about the game).
Those posts make me think he still cares about the game, and is likely to flip town
Hmm, it's been a while since he showed up though.
Meh, at worst I'd like to give him time to show us he still cares about the game like he did in D2. If he's scum it becomes more apparent as times goes on, but I doubt he is at the moment.
I actually forgot about that now that I remember:
@Palmar: Do you still think I'm scum? Is it just based on that "his posts are different" shit you posted there?
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On July 23 2012 11:11 Zealos wrote:
And when you say that "A town katina wouldn't act like this" it's very vague and doesn't really mean anything to me. If you can show examples from other games with her as town where she acts very differently then it is a different matter, but just throwing things out doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
Yes, from memory in Liar Game that's not how she acted at all
Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&user=248411¤tpage=2
Her filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=248411
In Liar Game she was more calm and restrained, even though she still took strong stance on people. She was more involved in the thread, as you can see she had discussions with lots of players, even when they didn't addressed her specifically (even if it was a PM game)
Even when she accuses people in that game she's more reserved and doesn't try ti shit things up by being needlessly aggressive.
The tone of her posts are very different. In here she's needlessly aggressive against people in almost all of her posts.
For instance, the difference in tone in these posts:
+ Show Spoiler [Liar Game] +On May 05 2012 02:04 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Wander off for a night and come back to see people once again pushing my death with 0 substance aside from "hes red guys". Out of players like palmar or syllo such bad horrific play is to be expected. It is part of their general play. However when players like foolishness even by this point in time have yet to create an actual case against me then it is an obvious tell he is red. If he truely believed I was red and knew that there was even any remote kickback to this game he would try to garner people to vote in a way to have me killed by posting reasons as to why I should not be saved. Instead we have such posts as On May 04 2012 12:04 Foolishness wrote:
I vote we either kill BC or Cephiro (or both!) Anyone also notice how his protoge katina has vanished almost entirely from this thread and has yet to make a single post in roughly 40 hours? Both people I fingered as reds have yet to do anything aside from lurk and spend happy fun times in pms. Very interesting wouldn't you all think? Foolishness' meta is fairly standard, and not posting his reads in a way to actually push them in thread is one of his mafia tells and has been for ages. But you guys ignore those things cause its what you do. As for wonder gems like this On May 04 2012 16:54 EchelonTee wrote:Tomorrow is last day of school. Craziness is ensuing (it's a shitshow if yout know what I mean), so it might be tough to keep my responses coherant. People I most support lynching: BC, prplhz, Cephiro in that order. BC - earlier claimed to analyze prplhz/Katina; in reality had never explained his positions. position on Katina in particular is completely baseless and reeks of fakeness because of being forced to make a read. Has only shat on other people's plans. Says Round A is time for people to be accountable; he doesn't make himself accountable for his "no" vote to keep him from being scrutinized. overall tone unhelpful, derrogative. should die. prplhz - skirted by on "sorry i play so bad I was busy"; fact remains that he has been present throughout the game (has many posts) but extremely little content, scumhunting, or pro-town behavior at all. that's called active lurking Cephiro - I'm not as sold on his alignment compared to the other two (because of the manner in which he defends himself), but he hasn't done much things to make him look town. says that the case on him is all meta, but based solely on his thread he's been disruptive (interactions with gonzaw, Palmar) while simultaneously doing jack himself. Person who I would want lynched right now but can't: sheth I have reasoning, no need to muddle the thread atm, but keep eyes on him please. @chaoser: my opinion of sandroba - voting trends suggest he's town, and in thread he hasn't been significantly more lurky than others, while also hasn't been disruptive. while prplhz has had plenty of time to catch up by now, it's clear sandroba has only had time to be here or there and honestly should've replaced out like Radfield did. will be obvious as hell if he's scum as time goes on, so not at the top of my concern list. I'm going to hold off on my votes until it's clear how we will get done what we want to get done. This is coming from a player who has to this point in the game (at least in thread) done absolutely nothing at all. He suddenly bangs out his first "analysis" post and begins to jump on the same people who have been FoS'd or pressured for the last 24+ hours. Rather than contributing anything new he rehashes the same arguments that have been made previously as if they justify an opinion. He in the same posts claims that he thinks someone else is scum but they won't get lynched so its pointless, but rather than share his reads so that people may agree or disagree with him its "i dont want to muddle the thread". New analysis is never muddling the thread unless you are spamming it for pages. As for his opinion on roba, its friggen amusing. He has done nothing to help anyone in this game that I know of. Roba's scum meta is to do fuckall all game. His town meta is to take charge and think of plans. Which does he represent? Then we have a post like this out of syllo On May 04 2012 16:35 syllogism wrote:
Sheth is mafia, I can guarantee this. Anyway, we are killing BC and/or Cephiro today. Do not vote yet if you are town, as WBG says. He at not point in time has said anywhere that I have seen that he can guarentee that his read on me or cephiro is correct but he did say he can guarentee Sheths. As such Sheth is obviously his strongest read yet rather than push it he is pushing the lynch on two other players. Everyone seriously look at the players attempting to run this game. They give you near no reasons for why they believe what they believe, are actively keeping content out of the thread, and providing near no reasons for why they do what they do. If you also notice the main people being suspected for being scum that should die are all the people who have primarily been giving them any kickback. Ace, and VE both fought their plans, died and flipped green. It is obvious that there is no intent at the moment in them finding reds, it is about removing any voice who speaks against them. That is not how town wins games. Mafia win games like that. It's called a life, yo! Sandroba used it and he is still alive, why can't I?? Seriously though, I have been in PM land. I'll be honest, with everything taken care of there there wasn't a need to post in the thread. At the times I was around nothing was happening in the thread or there was arguing about Cephiro which was something I did not want to get involved in. Not a good excuse I know but surely you can understand. I would like to address this post you just made though. I don't see how this helps the town at all. Everything I see with it is just pushing a mafia agenda. You have been consistent with wanting to kill myself and Foolishness I'll give you that. But as for general posting behavior all you've done is thrown doubt around at the people who are trying to lead the town to victory. This includes Foolishness, but you've attacked syllogism and Palmar now. I have my doubts about these two but at least they have both tried to do something. You seem more content on just shutting down everyone's plans and instilling doubt in the town. And this seems to take priority for you over pushing your reads. Saying that the intent is "about removing any voice who speaks against them" is silly. It seems to me some of these people (Foolishness, gonzaw, wherebugsgo, syllogism) are more concerned about finding mafia than anything else. sandroba is mafia but he's not speaking out against them. Cephiro isn't speaking out against them so much as just trying to stupidly defend himself. You are the one who is speaking out about the scum hunters, who is pushing an agenda, who is slinging doubt around, who is not actively trying to make plans [I recall you saying something early that trying to make plans is stupid and we should just scumhunt. People in PM land (guess who!!!) tell me that this is not like your town play]
+ Show Spoiler [This game] +On July 19 2012 08:53 Katina wrote:MattchewFirst thing that I found interesting while looking through Mattchew's filter was that he is gunning to get me killed the whole game but when the nukes start getting thrown around he decides to do that. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 11:46 Mattchew wrote:
TBH i have no idea if any of these nukes or blocks are real
like I do not knowingly have a nuke
##nuke Bill Murray He sends the nuke on BM. It makes no sense to nuke him when he hasn't said a word about BM before this. This makes no sense if he wanted to kill me that badly. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 13:39 Katina wrote:
Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will.
I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself.
To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him.
I will get back to you on Foolishness. Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable! I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you Mattchew, sunk to Kurumi's level and nuked someone who hasn't posted. Furthermore policy lynches are stupid. His actions contradict each other. You have been gunning for me all game but you be willing to policy lynch a different person and nuke somone else entirely. You have given us your reads but there is no elaboration. You said rastaban was Mafia twice but only said that was because he was looking out for himself, that's hardly a reason to call someone mafia. You did not want to kill gonzaw D1 but you didn't do anything to stop the votes from going over. Instead you sat there and watched it all happen, of course your vote got stolen but that shouldn't stop from telling everyone to vote for someone else instead.Futhermore you never commented on any of the big names in the thread. You have mentioned BH maybe once or twice, you never said anything about austin and as I said before you never talked about gonzaw for more than one post. Looking through his filter he posts to make it look like he's doing something and contributing but in reality his posts don't say much of anything. Basically they are asking people the same "what do you think of this guy" "What do you think of this reponse" but not generating anything useful. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 14:07 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 13:56 Katina wrote:On July 17 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 13:39 Katina wrote:
Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will.
I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself.
To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him.
I will get back to you on Foolishness. Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable! I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you I really like how you convinently appear whenever I do. You haven't post reads on others nearly to the extent that you have on me. I would hardly call what you have been doing as generating dicussion. I think people have even forgotten that you were in the game. No one every says anything to you or about you. Just because no one talks to me doesnt mean I'm not trying to help discussions. People probably ignore me cause foolishness says so It seems that Mattchew is using Foolishness' credibilty to get by with not saying much. Which seemed to be working apparently. No one is really looking at Mattchew or listening to much of what he is saying in thread. (Can't blame you) Mattchew's play has been horrid this game and I am 100% percent certain that he is Mafia.
In both she basically accuses her top-read, but in this game she's too aggressive and too "sure" of the guy she's accusing is scum.
In Liar Game she wasn't that aggressive nor "sure" (as would be expected from a townie).
In the Liar Game she pointed out things that made people scum, and told us that trying to convince us about it. In this game she just tries calling people for as much stuff as she can and doesn't seem to have the same intent in convincing us about it.
In that 1st quote you can see her trying to figure out BC's alignment, she tries to make sense of the situation (but concludes BC is mafia). In the 2nd quote it's just a flash of "scummy" things she held together. She's doesn't seem to try and make sense of the situation at all
It's hard to explain, but if you read both of her filters you'll know what I'm talking about
That's what make me think she's not acting like she does as town. Also the fact that she doesn't post stupid lists when she's town or complain about the "chaos" every 2 minutes.
Zealos:
As for the case on me, its wrong, sorry to disappoint
You'll still say you were "dumb" when you didn't post the message sandro PMed you, then?
Why haven't you done anything since then? You haven't posted anything relevant at all since that "I'm dumb" series of posts you did on D2.
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Well shit, Palmar's claim doesn't make much sense actually.
If he was Copycat he'd get Rol's role like other people said; if he could choose which role to get it'd be very powerful, and he would have likely chosen Kurumi's role instead (once Kurumi died), since he knew Kurumi had a nuke since D1.
His posting on D2 doesn't see like a scum Palmar to me, would a scum Palmar put effort like that?
Him just giving up right now is not making things any easier.
I'll likely change my vote to him to consolidate, but I won't just sheep a vote on someone I'm not sure is scum so I want some more explanations first.
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I expected someone to answer me by now :/
@Prob: Will you answer what I posted before?
*sigh*
You guys better be right, I don't have a good feeling about this
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Palmar
I'm going to the gym now and I think I'll be back right before the deadline.
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LOL
Well damn, I guess I was wrong :/
Might as well sheep town next time (no before you ask I won't sheep)
I also thought the deadline was later 
On July 24 2012 10:43 Katina wrote:
So let's try this again =.= Tomorrow we should lynch sloosh or gonzaw...
No, tomorrow we lynch Zealos.
I wouldn't even accept a sloosh lynch. His claim doesn't make sense from a scum perspective, and other than "he flip-flopped on Foolishness" I haven't seen any case on him at all.
I actually thought he made sense with some of his posts initially, like he usually plays in big games (lurks but makes good posts every once and then).
Until I hear from someone why Zealos is town then I don't see why we shouldn't lynch him.
If he flips scum (most likely) then this last day seemed like wasted (with all the baseless accusations and stuff).
Hmm, although I'll have to check my reads again, I usually read Palmar alright (at least taking into account iGrok's game) so this is kind of a shock to me.
I guess I won't get shot tonight though, seems scum stopped shooting me as town these past few games for some reason 
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I have to agree with Prob here.
Chezinu may be "crazy" and all that, but he's too active in discussions to be scum.
Unless someone can show me he does this as scum as well in previous games I'm inclined to say he's likely town.
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Actually some people are right, there's nothing in sloosh's filter that indicates he'd shoot Foolishness, or even thought he was scum at the time he shot him.
But why the fuck would he fake-claim as scum if he was SURE there was going to be a counterclaim? :/
Imagine if supersoft said "Vigs get their bullets refunded", which outs one of them as scum, then he'd be utterly screwed, and unless he got that info from the hosts previously sloosh wouldn't have known about it.
And like someone said nobody knew Foo' was scum (unless a minion has a rolecop ability or something, but the point is that town doesn't know about it) so Foo's flip wouldn't really incriminate him much. If he was scum he'd just shut up, keep lurking and have more chances to live than by fake-claiming what he did.
Meh, I'd say we just forget about his claim and wait to see what he contributes from now on.
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On July 24 2012 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
He didn't push for his lynch...that's my point. He voted with me, but he never "pushed" the lynch at all. He left that to me, the townie.
He wanted the lynch to fail. Because it would implicate him as scum.
I got the feeling he was trolling with that "sandro is scum" thing.
Well...I actually didn't understand anything of it so I assumed he was.
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Okay, I'm back and I'll reread some filters, although I'm extremely lazy at this moment :/
On July 25 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:
Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch.
Ehm, no.
Other than Katina FoSing me because she didn't read the thread, I haven't seen "things that have been talked about by other people", other than that "voted Zealos==scum" stupid thing that happened last day.
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Hmm, I don't think I'll change my mind about you.
Just the fact that you didn't out sandro's whole PM (and didn't even out it at all previously) is enough, but just in case you are "townie who makes mistakes" like Kurumi, your play this game is lack-luster, and I don't remember you doing anything other than saying "I'm dumb" on D2, "That case on Katina is good, except it's not" on D3, and "Hiro/gonzaw are scum" on N3 (and nothing else).
Yeah I'll just check other people.
Haven't read MZ by now, nor checked austin's recent posts, but by what I've seen it's likely they are both scum (I don't remember MZ posting at all since D2 :/ ).
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On July 25 2012 07:35 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 07:29 gonzaw wrote:Okay, I'm back and I'll reread some filters, although I'm extremely lazy at this moment :/
On July 25 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:
Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch. Ehm, no. Other than Katina FoSing me because she didn't read the thread, I haven't seen "things that have been talked about by other people", other than that "voted Zealos==scum" stupid thing that happened last day. Expand Hmm, I don't think I'll change my mind about you. Just the fact that you didn't out sandro's whole PM (and didn't even out it at all previously) is enough, but just in case you are "townie who makes mistakes" like Kurumi, your play this game is lack-luster, and I don't remember you doing anything other than saying "I'm dumb" on D2, "That case on Katina is good, except it's not" on D3, and "Hiro/gonzaw are scum" on N3 (and nothing else). Yeah I'll just check other people. Haven't read MZ by now, nor checked austin's recent posts, but by what I've seen it's likely they are both scum (I don't remember MZ posting at all since D2 :/ ). What? I read the thread. I read through your filter a few days ago. That's how I know you are Mafia. I was commenting on posts made by other people. As for Syllogism, he's not important to me nor was he ever my biggest scum read. Palmar, foolisness, and BH were my biggest reads. Now it's sloosh and gonzaw. My filter has been interesting this game because the thread has been so chaostic and making my reads change. I went back and read through filters and arrived at my list now.
I already explained my behaviour on D1 and it has been talked about it til death by now, yet you base most of your "read" on me on it, making me think you didn't even read that.
Hell I didn't even see you post anything else about me after that short paragraph you posted. You just made one short paragraph about me and from then on you went "kill gonzaw, kill gonzaw" like a robot or something, which is the behaviour I expect from mafia.
That reminds me a lot of what Mattchew did to me in "Can't Believe".
I don't know if I'll change my mind about you either.
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lol this game keeps getting better and better.
It's possible a vet was hit or a medic saved someone, if we have roles like that in this game
Prob, I think you should better use your "lynch" by the 12-24 hour mark or so (or at least a little bit later than now)
You get 12-24 hours to figure out who to kill, but we have 24-36 hours to use the info from the flip to decide who to lynch (also so we don't lynch the killed guy).
About MZ:
I don't see nothing inherently scummy with his D1 play actually. He seems aggressive and involved in discussions.
But damn he stopped playing after that. Like 2 and a half pages of his filter come from D1, but only 1 and a half come from N1 onwards, and he doesn't post anything really interesting there.
The only scumhunting I've seen from him is calling rastaban out, and accuse Zealos/Kurumi/BH/Foolishness with little reasons; after that he just seems to argue with people and reiterate things over and over and not contribute with nothing else.
Yeah I wouldn't mind him dying. I'm not very confident in him being scum though, but I was wrong before and I trust that all of VE/Prob/syllo/etc are not idiots and see him as scum so he may as well be.
About austin:
Skimmed his filter, but I don't see anything that could make him town.
Even in these past few days he's focused on setup-related things (messages, traitor claiming, etc) and didn't really scumhunt at all. Plus he seems too "aggressive" and blunt, he was way more calm and "nooby" when he was town in Can't Believe.
In there he established his innocence pretty fast by making cases right off the bat and even going so long to check Risen's entire mafia history to check his alignment, and I don't see anything of that this game.
The only player I've seen him make a "case" against was GGQ, who only had 5 posts by then (and we know was town).
About marv:
He's too lazy this game. Out of his 10 pages of filter there are only a small percentage where he actually voices his opinions and takes an active stance in discussions. Other than that just asks questions and shit.
Hmm, I don't know if he'd be this lazy as scum though, plus he has a townie tone in his posts, like he seems genuinely bored and not just trying to blend in or anything.
I think he was more aggressive as scum in LV too
Meh, he's likely town.
Katina and Zealos are still scum.
The only ones I'm having doubts about right now are rastaban and risk.nuke, haven't checked them yet.
I'm still bewildered by the sloosh situation though:
@sloosh: Could you try to contribute more? Ever since you claimed you kind of disappeared and that's not helping you at all. Hell doesn't make sense if you are scum (fake-claim and then disappear) but doesn't make sense as town either so get going.
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