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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 23 2012 11:55 GMT
#2815
On July 23 2012 20:34 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 20:32 Zealos wrote:
On July 23 2012 20:30 Mattchew wrote:
On July 23 2012 20:25 Zealos wrote:
On July 23 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote:
i'm voting zealos.

because of this:


On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote:
Man this is fun.

I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times.


and this

On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote:
My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase.
Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message.


Which basically means he's guaranteed to be scum.

.....

Riveting

+ Show Spoiler [......] +


On July 22 2012 09:12 Protactinium wrote:
[image loading]
Day 3


Within the labyrinth of cubicles, offices, and badly lit corridors of the company headquarters, sandroba ran furiously through the massive, hopelessly convoluted building. In his hands, he clutched a thick sheaf of redacted spreadsheets, crooked financial records, and bribery lists, as well as some dirty photographs of the company's top executives enjoying a wild party with dozens of ladies of the night thrown in good measure. Now sandroba just had to find an honest mid-level executive to help him expose their corruption, bribery, and dirty dealing to the world.

Unable to find working elevators anywhere in the building, sandroba raced up the stairs to the office of the Principal Operations Liaison. However, on the door to his office read a sign saying, "Please refer your business to the Corporate Communications Strategist on the 17th floor." Chagrined, sandroba dashed up to this man's office, only to behold a sign directing him to the Internal Security Coordinator on the 4th floor. Up and down the stairs he sprinted, getting more and more exhausted and out of breath. To his growing frustration and fatigue, each office pointed him toward the office of even more obscure executives, from the Senior Creative Director to the Customer Division Manager or the Chief Accountability Orchestrator. His heart pounded agonizingly, sweat poured out of his body, his head ached abominably, and his blood throbbed in his veins.

Before long, the exertion of running from office to office up, down, across, and diagonally through the building became too much for him. At last, sandroba's over-strained heart gave out just as he arrived, gasping and blue of face, at the door of the Human Directives Analyst. Of course, this door, just like all the others, bore a sign saying, "Please refer your business to the District Data Designer on the 20th floor."

Coming upon the corpse of sandroba, another harried and overworked employee cried out an outraged shout. He had been feeling uncertain about life, death, and continuing to work for this demonic corporation already, and now he discovered that one of his colleagues had died on the job. With a swift movement, he shattered his coffee mug against a nearby table to make a jagged improvised weapon and charged up the stairs until he found the poshest, most luxurious office in the building. Screaming out again, this employee burst within and stabbed in bloodthirsty fashion at a stunned-looking Foolishness. Within a few minutes, the veil of red passed from before his eyes, but by then Foolishness was long dead.

sandroba the Bossy Employee has been exhausted to death.

Show nested quote +
You are the bully of the office! Although you have no official titles, you like exercising power. Your fellow coworkers become terrified with your mere presence. Once per half cycle, you may attempt to boss around any employee of your choice. To use this power, you must PM me with whatever message you wish to send, along with the name of your target employee. Your target will not be informed of your identity, and is under no obligation to comply with your orders. I reserve the right to censor your message if deemed inappropriate. Feel free to clarify anything with me if you have any questions. You win with the town for some reason.


Foolishness the CEO was stabbed to death with a broken coffee mug.

+ Show Spoiler [role PM] +
[image loading]
Congratulations, you are Foolishness the CEO! Naturally, you are an evil, evil bureaucrat. You control a mighty company that is moving in to acquire Liquidia. Having already dominated the games queue thread with your dictatorial policies, you judge the time is ripe for assuming complete control.

However, because you are too occupied scheming and ripping off customers, you only have time to issue orders to your two trusted directors (once every half cycle). You do, however, know the powers your company posseses amongst its minions. They are:

[information redacted]

Be warned: one of the above minions is a traitorous employee who wants to sell you out to your fiercest competitor and doesn't actually have a power. Sadly, you don't know his identity. On the other hand, just like a real evil dictator, you have the power to kill your own employees. Any time during the game, you may use your secret trap door to anonymously (and instantaneously) kill one of your employees in an attempt to kill the traitor (one use). However, the trap door only works on your own employees. If you use it on a non-employee, the kill does not go through, they are notified someone made an attempt on their life but not who, and your night action immunity goes kaput.

Unfortunately, your subordinates don't know who you even are because you're too busy playing around on your luxury yacht. Luckily, you know them! Your subordinates are:

[information redacted]

Once every half cycle (day/night) you may choose to send a message to one of your subordinates (Chairman of the Board or VP of Marketing)

Because you are the CEO, you have immense power. Any malovent night action on you fails (besides vigilante shot) and you are notified that someone attempted that action but not who. You also show up as a role of your choice to any detective type actions. You may choose from the following roles that might exist or make up your own!

[information redacted]

Lastly, your team will vote on a kill. During the day, the rest of the mafia will send in their kill choice to the mod. At the lynch we will present you with a list of names to choose the kill from.. If you die the Chairman of the Board takes over your job, then the vice president of marketing, and if he dies then the name which comes up the most from the remaining mafia members is the target. Once per game you may eschew the advice of your minions and simply choose the target yourself.

If you live and one of your executives die, you will be given a name of their most trusted (living) minion. You may choose to promote said minion to the executive's position (and knowledge), if you choose to spend 1 full cycle without sending messages.





Day 3 ends at 01:00 GMT (+00:00) (48 hours from now) on Monday, July 23.


Well that literally means nothing.

cool that makes 2 of us!

Apparently you were unable to understand the meaning of my link.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 24 2012 18:43 GMT
#3108
I think gonzaw and hiro are scum.
I'm gonna actually put something together as to why after dinner.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 24 2012 20:16 GMT
#3114
Hiro - I have things to say!
With 9 pages of filter, you might expect that hiro has been influential this game, in finding scum and being generally pro town. Instead, he's spent a ton of time repeating what everyone already thinks, in the guise of hunting scum. For instance:
On Zealos: + Show Spoiler +
marv what do you think of this. You've caught Zealos before when you were town. Do you think he's playing the same way here?

Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum.

VE/austin, please read pages 73-74 and tell me what you think of Zealos.

I like the idea of killing Zealos before Kurumi.

lol Foolishness. No CEO dawg, we lynch Zealos.

BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


The last quote especially just seems to be a vague statement about how he thinks he is being pro town. He has never come up with his own argument for anyone being scum. He is very keen to stress how I should be getting lynched. Why would a mafia player want to make sure I am lynched above anyone else. Because he doesn't know the rest of his team. He can't risk calling anyone else out in case they flip red. Yes, I hear you say that he wouldn't know whether I am mafia or not, however, the worst that can happen by killing me is if I turn out to be a minion that everyone already thought was mafia anyway.

He's basically trying to hide away from making any real reads or cases by just running with the "These guys are clearly confirmed scum so we should just ignore everything else"

On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.

^.^ Otherwise known as, "Oh shit, Meapak could be mafia, better focus everyone's attention back to Zealos"


Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 24 2012 20:44 GMT
#3121
On July 25 2012 05:27 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:
Hiro - I have things to say!
With 9 pages of filter, you might expect that hiro has been influential this game, in finding scum and being generally pro town. Instead, he's spent a ton of time repeating what everyone already thinks, in the guise of hunting scum. For instance:
On Zealos: + Show Spoiler +
marv what do you think of this. You've caught Zealos before when you were town. Do you think he's playing the same way here?

Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum.

VE/austin, please read pages 73-74 and tell me what you think of Zealos.

I like the idea of killing Zealos before Kurumi.

lol Foolishness. No CEO dawg, we lynch Zealos.

BH and Zealos are the guys I've been most sure of being scum this game.


The last quote especially just seems to be a vague statement about how he thinks he is being pro town. He has never come up with his own argument for anyone being scum. He is very keen to stress how I should be getting lynched. Why would a mafia player want to make sure I am lynched above anyone else. Because he doesn't know the rest of his team. He can't risk calling anyone else out in case they flip red. Yes, I hear you say that he wouldn't know whether I am mafia or not, however, the worst that can happen by killing me is if I turn out to be a minion that everyone already thought was mafia anyway.

He's basically trying to hide away from making any real reads or cases by just running with the "These guys are clearly confirmed scum so we should just ignore everything else"

On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.

^.^ Otherwise known as, "Oh shit, Meapak could be mafia, better focus everyone's attention back to Zealos"


Gonzaw is sorta got some similarities with Hiro, not to mention things that have been talked about by other people, so he is also looking red to me, however, I would prefer a hiro lynch.

How is what you are doing different from what hiro is doing? Also, any reason why you doctored Sandroba's message when you posted it?

Because I'm lurking. He's actively trying /not/ to lurk, while still being useless. And yes, obviously, in case he had any other reason to send me another message.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 25 2012 00:47 GMT
#3202
On July 25 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:
Oki doki, here are my thoughts (so you can hold me accountable, VE )

Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 02:21 HiroPro wrote:
On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak


Explain the case to me then please.

He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak.

It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time.

It doesn't get much more passive than this:

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum?

I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that.


Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
I think Zealos is scum! The literal non-thread-reading and utter garbage that tries to look town but isn't makes him like my #1 scumread.

Well that's nice to know, I'd appreciate if you wrote out a case. You're lucky to not be dying today so I think you should make some serious contributions to give people reasons to rethink their position on you.


At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos.

Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.


Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum.

Zealos - he is scum. Again he is uninvested in the game. He doctored sandroba's message to him in addition to not bringing it to the thread originally (I'm aware Kurumi flipped town, but it is definitely anti-town...). layabout brought up how Zealos played in Bang Bang. A decent filter comparison because he replaced into both games. It seems clear to me that Zealos was much more interested and invested in the course of that game (even if he did make questionable decisions). He was quite active and at least looking for some truth. Here his filter is defending himself poorly and very little else. What is Zealos trying to do? Also the case on Hiro is bad and smells of him making an effort because he feels he finally needs to.

rastaban - not quite as sure with rastaban as I am with the two above, but I think he will flip scum. Earlier in the game, MZ's case was an accurate summation of rastaban's play. He was going wherever the lynch was easiest, taking the path of least resistance. Since the time of his case, he's pinged the other way in what reads to me as an artificial attempt at pushing new/interesting ideas.

He magics a townread on Kurumi on the basis that Kurumi /outs a different game, and when the sentiment was anti-Foolish he buddies up to him

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 04:57 rastaban wrote:
I was snooping through some of the experienced players filters
Syllogism is town it is pretty obvious
Foolishness I'm sorry I doubted you for a bit. I forgot last game we played together mafia's ploy was to get you lynched. I am convinced your town now so let's work together. You are posting just like you did then with distant for poor town play an focusing on finding scum. I like it!

Not sure on ggq yet, time for more research!
Chezinu and sandroba are obviously town.
BM is so different from himself he must be scum.


Just the tone of how it's written feels fake. "Look! I'm being different! yay!" He also makes a bizarre case on layabout on the basis of wbg's nightkill. It was an entire case built on some wifom and fundamentally he seems to be thinking in a different way than I'd expect a townie to.




Other bits and bobs: gonzaw: I seem to have a townread on him now having looked through his filter. His posts read as genuine and earnest to me. He's had a couple of dodgy reads which I'd love to say constituted an agenda, but he never pushed the misdirection of them, so I'm not seeing it. On Katina: her filter is interesting. My question to her some pages back re:syllogism was the question mark I took out of reading her filter earlier. I'm not quite sure how she can have a null read on syllo at the moment, syllo is too prominent for this to be the case. Some of it read quite decently though with her belief of BH/Palmar being scum. Basically I'm saying I'm on the fence with her atm.

Come on Marv, you know my as mafia well enough to know being uninterested in the game isn't my mafia trait. Last time you caught me was after a day long argument after I fake claimed cop and was argumentative and emotional invested most of the time. Check out my old Newbie game for another example of this as scum.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 26 2012 15:17 GMT
#3541
##nuke sloosh
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 26 2012 15:20 GMT
#3542
On July 26 2012 06:35 gonzaw wrote:
I think someone asked why would scum Zealos not out the "incriminate" part from sandro's message.

...well, for one I'd ask myself why scum Zealos wouldn't out the whole message in the first place, since he knew sandro made a similar trick with Kurumi and even said in the thread that he'd PM someone a message he wanted to out.
But well, maybe he was indeed a minion who was never messaged before.

Anyways, the point is that if he's town, and was indeed dumb enough to keep the message for some reason, he'd have no reason to out the whole message, even the "incriminating" part.
If he was town he'd post it all, but he didn't.

It makes perfect sense as "outed" scum at that point. He leaves out the incriminating part of the message so people don't think it was an "obvious scum message", and hopes sandro doesn't read it.
Sandro already knew the message he sent him, so if he saw a thing similar to it that Zealos posted he'd know it was the message he sent, but it was possible he didn't strictly read the whole message trying to find inconsistencies (since he knew that message was his, he already knew the content).
I think Zealos was counting on that: sandro not reading the whole message Zealos posted and not outing the "incriminating" part.

Because the alternative, that Zealos is town and deliberately cut out that part and never mentioned it again, is EXTREMELY hard to believe, specially with Zealos' behaviour this whole game (i.e he doesn't seem to care about it).

Wait, so the "incriminating" part was the bit about not trusting messages that don't start in a certain way? Are you stupid? What possible thing could I gain as scum from cutting a bit out?
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 26 2012 15:25 GMT
#3543
On July 26 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
Zealos:
There's also the very incriminating fact about the sandro' message that makes 0% sense if he was town, and he never mentioned again or even tried to explain why he cut the message.
Here:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 20:25 Zealos wrote:
On July 23 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote:
i'm voting zealos.

because of this:


On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote:
Man this is fun.

I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times.


and this

On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote:
My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase.
Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message.


Which basically means he's guaranteed to be scum.

.....


That's all he has to say. Apparently he's so dumb he accidentally cutted of part of the message when he posted it.
Well I don't believe that, the fact that he didn't explain at all why he did that is more damning, as also the fact that he doesn't try to do anything even after people have given him a 2nd chance ever since D2

So that's why I think we should lynch Zealos today:
"There's a very good chance he's going to flip Mafia. Tomorrow we can worry about Meapak"

We still have 24 hours or more, this isn't coming down to a "gonzaw vs Meapak" lynch just because syllo/supersoft says so.

Oh. I see this now. You're stupid. My first assumption was that there was some weird network of communication for the town team, and that posting the whole thing would mean that mafia members could message me pretending to be town. I dunno.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 26 2012 17:17 GMT
#3578
Also, still happy with a gonzaw lynch so...
##Vote: Gonzaw
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 26 2012 20:49 GMT
#3692
I am saying this now, I would rather have MZ killed that slOosh at this point, heck, I most wanna kill Hiro or Gonzaw atm. But we need a lynch of some kind so...
Vote: slOosh
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 27 2012 23:36 GMT
#4002
What the heck is going on here o.O
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 28 2012 12:31 GMT
#4058
Can we please kill Gonzaw now?
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