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On July 16 2012 15:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Prob I'm so far past you that I'm lapping you. You gotta keep up.
And now you're dismissing me again.
On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I almost...
It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post....
just want to put this out there
That is some Grade A carefullness, right there. Those phrases in particular are very passive.
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This game is a boat. A boat full of mafia, and if we are to push the mafia off, we must rock the boat
Good Qbert, how exactly do we stay on board? Lord knows it would be easier to fall in if "helped" by those we wish to drown.
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On July 16 2012 15:59 Q-bert-Z wrote:As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get...
It is not that those reads are necessarily accurate but they are something of substance to hold people to. The alternative is a wasted Day 1. A simple example would be if I found you suspicious Day 1 and the dropped all suspicion of you Day 2. In a normal game that might get brushed off but the mechanics of this setup mean that this becomes far more important.
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On July 16 2012 16:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@Probe, do my posts need more fire and brimstone?
Clarity is what I seek. I understood what you were saying but your stance was kind of wishy-washy. The fact that you FOS'd him with such passive language made me think you weren't really serious about your post but it seems you were. So yeah, clarity of purpose.
OK guys, work is done for the day and I am heading home. If I can be arsed I will pop on later tonight otherwise I will see in the morning. Good luck!
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Evening gentlemen.
It turns out my ass isn't as fat as it used to be. It's great to see Palmagism are around.
@Palmar, can sinani be constructive? I have played with him before where he was not. You also called for his head that game (Werewolves II if I remember correctly). The reason I ask is that despite his crazy way of posting he has at least been reasonable and consistent. He has pointed out the flaws in my argument, but hasn't gone all out on it. So despite his text flavour, how exactly has he been trolling?
Compare his behaviour to one Blazinghand, who thinks the world of himself to the point that he refuses to respond to me.Your thoughts on BH?
@Syllo your input would be great too!
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So in essence I should have kept that to myself?
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
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##Vote Kurumi
Your explanation makes no sense. Your defense is you wanted to align with a third party? How is that a defense?
Syllogism
The best way to look at this is by placing the posts in order and seeing the progression so here we go. My original post (3rd one in the thread) suggested some ideas about how we could expect this game to be different to others. The idea was to get people discussing stuff (Klicky)
I then have a back and forth with QBertz about this and his posting and I clarify my intent here
On July 16 2012 16:05 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:59 Q-bert-Z wrote:As far as "holding people to their day one reads", I must say I've heard worse things, though not many. Let me ask you this...what is the probubality of our day one reads being any good? Day one reads are the worse reads we're going to get... It is not that those reads are necessarily accurate but they are something of substance to hold people to. The alternative is a wasted Day 1. A simple example would be if I found you suspicious Day 1 and the dropped all suspicion of you Day 2. In a normal game that might get brushed off but the mechanics of this setup mean that this becomes far more important. Then Syllo pops into the thread here, here and here before even mentioning me. When he does mention me this is his post
On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote: My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. Why now? Well because right before that I wrote this
On July 16 2012 19:03 Probulous wrote:
...@Syllo your input would be great too! He clearly only responded to me because I prodded him. This gives me the impression that he either didn't read my post beforehand, or he didn't think it was a big deal until someone prodded him. I mean why ignore me for so long if you think I am mafia based on my second post? Surely if you are town you want people to lynch the people you think are scum but he only mentions his target when his target asks him for his thoughts? In addition his accusation is My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post Not that I am mafia, but that he thinks I should be lynched. It isn't guns blazing forthright determination. It is simply a soft FOS. His whole case was You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations Which makes no sense from a scum agenda point of view. At least I fail to see why mafia would be pushing this line of thinking unless they planned on randomly picking someone and tunneling them. Well as we know they are more likely to pick mafia accidently in this setup than a normal setup so it is a bad idea for mafia. I asked Syllo to clarify his intent in my next post
On July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote:
I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia?
To which I get silence. No response nothing. His entire case was that single sentence. He never commented on my other posts. I had a lot of back and forth with Qbertz, Chez and BH including a soft accusation on BH but that doesn't warrant a second look? Then when Foolishness picks up on this he responds with
On July 17 2012 06:46 syllogism wrote:
Foolishness you are again distorting my posts when you say I didn't "elaborate" why I thought probulous should be lynched based on his post; I explained quite clearly in the very post why his post was suspicious. What do you think about about the post? Why do you think that, if I'm mafia, I wouldn't vote for probulous?
You didn't elaborate at all, even when I asked you too. I mean yes, I could be mafia and so you could just ignore me. however, it is likely I am not the only one who thought you case needed more work. In fact the distinct lack of vote from you and no real push from anyone else would suggest that it is not a strong case. So if you wanted me dead you would need to elaborate.
Now to the crux of the issue. Why you would do this as mafia? Well you didn't need to vote for me. You had managed to discredit my opinion already. You know your case is weak, hence the lack of vote or follow up on it. So you settle for throwing doubt on me. This makes no sense from a town point of view. If you really thought I was mafia you would push me as a lynch, but you didn't.
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On July 17 2012 08:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
SUP ALL
*GASP*
He doesn't know...
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I was just reading that!
Summed up, he doesn't care. Half his posts are essentially "whatever" which is not what I want in my Marv. Compare his indifference here to his rage last game. My problem is that he was engaged with the thread in LV when he was scum so I am not sure what to make of his lack of investment in this game. I'll take a closer look and see if I find anything.
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In the spoiler below I have bolded what I mean by Marv just being indifferent about stuff
+ Show Spoiler [WARNING lots of quotes] +On July 16 2012 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Meh, if one of their own did something deserving to be pushed heavily I'd be happy to do the bus. On July 16 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote:So you're proposing a plan you admit has a lower chance of lynching mafia than analysis. Fabulous. On July 16 2012 21:20 marvellosity wrote:
Why don't you share with the class, Palmar On July 16 2012 21:24 marvellosity wrote:
That's because you're proposing plans with a lower chance of hitting mafia by your own admission and no apparent upsides. Carry on then On July 17 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
wbg is like confirmed town so whatever On July 17 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote:
Na he said he was town in bolded black instead of bolded green like he has been doing
On July 17 2012 06:33 marvellosity wrote:
meh whatever On July 17 2012 06:38 marvellosity wrote:
well it doesn't really matter does it, i didn't think and now it's there and there's nothing i can do about it. why doesn't everyone talk about something else and what will be will be
This is just WTF?
On July 17 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
yeah mainly i'm just gonna lurk now if i don't get modkilled. Foolishness is bad if he thinks i'm scum You can call Fool lots of stuff but bad is not one of them.
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On July 17 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Factor in that if he's scum he doesn't know who his partners are.
I'm trying to imagine the scenario...there are several things to consider. Firstly, we've never seen marvel as scum with no information. Like, would he act as he would as a townie? Would he act differently because he's scum regardless of not having more info?
I have no idea, but his lack of concern is troubling.
Do you think syllogism is scum? Your summary seemed to imply it but I want you to SAY it if you don't mind.
ROFL OK then.
SYLLOGISM IS SCUM
I just think Kurumi is a safer lynch.
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On July 17 2012 09:46 marvellosity wrote:
I am still working on my difference
Well since you're here. Can you provide your opinion on Syllo?
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Oh sweet
unvote
Vote## Syllogism
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Hmm I thought layabout was completely AFK. I didn't even realise he had posted.
I agree that he is undermining Sandro for no reason. It is also a really strange place to start. He pops in to doubt something that makes 0 sense to doubt and then disappears. No comment on Syllo, Foolishness, MZ, or anyone for that matter.
I could get down with his lynch but I still prefer Syllo. Bugs, your thoughts on Syllo?
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On July 17 2012 10:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Nuke BlazingHand
Eveybody got a personal nuke, yours is fast but mine is slow!
Where you get them I don't know, but everybody gots a personal nukeoooooooo!!
Really? I didn't get a nuke 
I feel left out now ><
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They're extremely wishy-washy, there's a lot of setup speculation, and his current vote was part of a bandwagon where he was merely parroting other's opinions.I'll continue to keep my eye on my other little fishes but they've been well discussed unlike rastaban who has been skirting the radar. Thoughts? (people who read the thread only please).
You mean that case? What is there to say? He hasn't responded or come back to the thread. Pressure away, but the case as it stands is not worth a vote. You're essentially saying that he has been useless with a bandwagon vote.
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On July 17 2012 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 10:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think the part where probulous and I got hung up is how you focus most of your post on syllo and provide reasons why he's scum, then tell us we should actually kill layabout and give no reasons. whoa, why are you speaking FOR probulous? holy shit are you scum with Probulous? Probulous never mentioned that post, he hasn't replied to it yet. Also I already elaborated on why layabout is scum in the post before that. So, #1. You're talking for someone else #2. You're not reading the thread you really are scum!
Um I am not scum but yeah I have no idea why he thought I wrote anything. It was marv who questioned you.
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On July 17 2012 03:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Blazinghand needs to slow the eff down. I'm pretty sure he's town bury there were 113 new replies since I last checked. BH you should support RL.
Given this what do you make of this
On July 17 2012 01:46 marvellosity wrote:
laughable != scummy. I prefer BH's case on syllo than the one on BH
It was posted right after Supersoft pointed out how BH looks green based on his rapid fire defense with some really out there logic. Hiropro and most of the people at that time thought BH was scum but Marv didn't join in the wagon. Given you think BH is town, does this alter your read on Marv?
I am getting more of a townie feel from Marv since he has decided to end the lurking and actually started to contribute.
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On July 17 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 10:35 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2012 10:34 wherebugsgo wrote:On July 17 2012 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
bugs: - eh... i keep deleting :p
you're obviously not particularly confident in your read on him if you wrote what you wrote anyway. if you're fairly confident he's scum then you have no reason to believe he wouldn't try to mislead town if he lived.
aren't you really saying you think he's scummy but you wanna give him a 2nd chance? read again. LAYABOUT IS SCUMMIER. yeah i got that. putting something in caps that you already said doesn't make it go in my head twice. I'm not asking why you don't want to lynch him today, I'm questioning your line of thinking that someone you believe to be scum would help us find scum. oh, that's simple. This setup has most scum not knowing who the other scum are. It's in their best interest to actually look for scum, similar to a game that has multiple scum factions. Otherwise they'll just die isolated. Thus, for a person like syllo to live, we force him to find other scum for us (we know that syllo is capable of this regardless of his alignment). As long as he is unwilling to do this we threaten him with death. If he is willing to help find other scum then he's either town or he's a scum who's helping us kill his own teammates. When we have more information on how he's done this (given time) we can more effectively determine his alignment. If, at any point, there are no players scummier than him, we just kill him.
Why would Syllo scum hunt for us if he believes we won't lynch him?
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On July 17 2012 10:47 marvellosity wrote:
Probey, I'll make it easy for you
read my filter from before and then after the first time Foolishness said the nuke should have been launched at me instead
I know which is why I want VE's opinion. He still has his vote on you. Given the number of other targets for lynch it seems misplaced and I want his input.
Kurumi, you sir are not helping.
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