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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 27 2012 22:50 GMT
#3988
One scenario where katina isn't mafia is if mafia has a similar snooping role as yours, in which case they could have intercepted chezinu's message to katina. Then it could be gonzaw/risk/q-bert-z. Fine, lets lynch Gonzaw first.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 27 2012 23:01 GMT
#3991
I suppose now that I look back, I may have been over thinking and gonzaw/risk/q-bert-z makes quite a bit of sense too. Katina's play has been pretty incomprehensible though.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 27 2012 23:11 GMT
#3997
On July 28 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
She's just like...a natural I think. Like, her reads are inordinately good...but she lacks the clout/thread-presence to make her stand out as obviously town.

I can see her playing this way as town Syllo, but I have to emphasize that Katina has fooled me hard before.

I agree with austin...Katina might be scum, but I don't think we should start there.

Her decent reads or lack of thread presence isn't the problem, but the fact she somehow can't recognize what makes someone likely town but can recognize mafia behavior. It just seems impossible to scum hunt if you can't recognize both. Moreover, early on she kept siding with foolishness/agreeing with him despite allegedly considering him almost confirmed mafia and didn't really want to lynch him either until quite late. Anyway, it's quite possible that I've to a degree tunneled her.

Lynch gonzaw, q-bert-z and then possibly risk depending on the roles.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 27 2012 23:35 GMT
#4000
Risk's filter makes him look very bad. I think have to stop focusing on players who I just don't understand and accept that sometimes townies do and say very strange things.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 28 2012 08:54 GMT
#4046
I still don't understand the "I am lonely, figure it out" message. Chezinu did you get it after that your message to katina message and was it during the same 1/2 cycle?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 28 2012 08:58 GMT
#4049
Oh I see, I posted in the thread that I'm lonely and wanted a message from you so perhaps that was just a huge coincidence and mafia tried to incriminate me with that. Lets lynch gonzaw first
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 28 2012 09:13 GMT
#4050
Gonzaw do you think the new CEO inherited the power to kill a minion they suspected to be the traitor? The flavor matches at least.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 28 2012 15:19 GMT
#4066
It would be better for mafia to concede rather than to drag this out. I suppose it's possible that we are wrong about one person, but I doubt it. We are definitely going to lynch gonzaw/risk/q-bert-z and there is absolutely nothing mafia can do about it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 29 2012 14:13 GMT
#4093
Something still feels off, but it's really hard to even entertain the possibility of some of the three being town.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 08:34 GMT
#4171
On July 30 2012 16:05 Chezinu wrote:
So... will the person who wanted me to message me claim? or will Prob have to solve the mystery himself?

I already pointed out that it was me and the "I'm lonely" message to you was mafia trying to make you think I sent it, so it was likely completely unrelated to the pm you sent to Katina.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 12:03 GMT
#4179
I think this will be the first game I survive until the end as town
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 13:42 GMT
#4185
On July 16 2012 15:46 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
Hi Q-bert-Z

You seem to be in a similar frame of mind as me. Thoughts on my post? When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


My fellow Co-worker, it would appear that we are the only two faithful working the night shift here. We should tread carefully, lest the batman catch us conversing. You would do well to talk to my cat AMERICA! for lessons on how to walk quietly, but I would cation you to watch your fingers as he has a tendency to bite.

But I see that you're a down to business type of person, so I'll answer you frankly. I thought that those scoundrels at the top could send messages at more than just the night, so I'll have to look over the rules again to clarify that. There are, to be sure, nefarious powers that would change direction at the heinous command of their brutal overlords, but there are also those among us true brethren, those who hold true to the Brown Revolution, who could have been preying about, gleaning information about other...less scrupulous employees, which might also cause them to come about in their line of thinking.

Now, when speaking in regard to my earlier comment regarding my comment regarding said "shifting", I will say this: This game is a boat. A boat full of mafia, and if we are to push the mafia off, we must rock the boat. They have but one (or is it two?) messages by which they may attempt to gain a footing, but I tell you, we MUST rock the boat so fast that they will need 3, NAY, FOUR, footings by which they must cling to stay on board.

But onto more important matters.

I now speak directly to all you mafia minions out there. Listen to me! Surely you are suffering under the weight of oppression, but I tell you, there is hope! You do not belong to those surly bureaucratic drunkards! You must throw off the yoke of oppression! We are the 99%, and you must join us! Do you not see what lies in wait for those who remain faithful to your false masters? A scapegoat with a ticket to the guillotine is what you are as long as you serve those oppressive monsters!

This is your day! This is your hour! Don't let them strangle you with their commanding PM's, rebel! You've got to throw yourselves into the machine, and against the gears and against the leavers, and you've got to make this grinding hell of a reality end! Come, join the Brown Revolution! Rebel! Revolt! Rebuild!

And now I bid you adieu. Fare thee well, my precious brethren. But to all those who would harm my brothers, quake, quake in your boots, for the WRATH of Q. Bert. Z. Is upon you!

Q-bert-z is likely a minion who knows some, if not all, the roles in the game. He pretty clearly breadcrumbed some of them in this post
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 13:50 GMT
#4186
Do you know what is pretty interesting though?

My first real order to you is to attack sandroba/wherebugsgo/Bill Murray/Palmar during the night. I want their credibility shot to hell. Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying. The votes were moving all over the place day 1, and people need to be held accountable.


On July 19 2012 02:13 Katina wrote:
A no lynch huh? That's really pathetic town.

Syllogism don't you think to go after me and say I don't care because I wasn't around at lynch time. That says absolutely nothing about my alignment. You have done nothing but gone after people who think you are Mafia.

Within the last 8 hours people were bringing up random cases about numerous people for example:

WBG: brought in his case about austin. Really bugs? You should know better than that. Your behavoir has caused me to think you are Mafia. All the other games I have played in with you when it comes to lynch time you settle on a certain person and are incredibly stubborn to change your mind especially when theres risk of a no- lynch (I can vouch for this since I have tried numerous times to get you off my back and you didn't budge) Your votes were all over the place instead of trying to take charge and keep the thread focused like you usually do when you are town.

BM: You have been pretty absent for most of D1 then you come in before the lynch and try to stir things up even more (I didn't think that was even possible) You basically sheeped everyone, your votes moved all over the place as well between gonzaw and BH. I can't get a read on you because of your blatant lack of posting (until right before the deadline)

sandroba: I can say the same about you that I said to WBG. You switched your votes around so much as well and you really should know better. From what I know about your play is when you think someone is Mafia you are deadset on killing them. Much like bugs when he's town. You have accused probably 8 people this game of being Mafia D1.... That's not like you.

Mattchew: I will be post a case on you later. I'm pretty sure that you are Mafia. I still think Palmar is Mafia as well.

BH: I don't know why people are so wishy - washy about him. He's pretty scummy in his play. He never freaks out this much when he's about to die except when he's Mafia.

[/quote]

Huh pretty amazing right?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 14:12 GMT
#4188
Is there any chance that is an amazing coincidence? It looks like she was really scraping to follow the orders, I mean look at those accusations. That quote seems to be from foolishness rather than something that was made up and meapak seemed to confirm it too.

I think we should lynch risk next, then katina, then q-bert-z.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 14:33 GMT
#4193
I think it's possible that q-bert-z is town traitor/mole, so all three are actually mafia.

we MUST rock the boat so fast that they will need 3, NAY, FOUR, footings by which they must cling to stay on board. " - qbert-z


This quote of q-bert-z might be hinting that and that's also why he was talking about mole. It also explains why he was so blatantly breadcrumbing role information. It makes sense for the town mole to have role information because mafia traitor will provide town information about mafia

Mirror roles remember?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 15:09 GMT
#4197
Hey katina when day begins, can you ##nuke risk.nuke, thanks

Alternatively we have BM steal your vote and thread actions for the day

Similarly risk.nuke has to ##nuke katina
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 15:12 GMT
#4198
Though, despite the gonzaw pm to risk, I think it's more likely that risk has the nuke. He didn't think kurumi was mafia and ##nuked zealous (and spelled it wrong) when he was asked to nuke sloosh.

BM if you are around for the day post, steal risk nuke's vote immediately.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 15:17 GMT
#4199
Nevermind, steal Katina's, changed my mind. Gonzaw would have to be pretty incompetent not to know which power risk has at this point.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 21:15 GMT
#4212
On July 31 2012 06:02 Katina wrote:
I don't have a nuke. I will prove it when day comes. Again, I'm not Mafia, I wasn't following any orders.... I was calling people out on their behavior this game. Lynch risk.nuke and Q-bert-z first before you consider lynching me. That would be the best idea. Lynch the two remaining Mafia then gg.

Even assuming that sloosh' pm was an attempt to frame you, that post seems very awkward and out of place when compared to your other posts. My issue with your play on the first few days is that you were calling foolishness+palmar mafia and then tunneling people like BM+mattchew. If it was an attempt to frame you, how come mafia didn't push the idea at all?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 30 2012 21:57 GMT
#4214
You also didn't talk about zealos at all, but were suddenly very much open to lynching him on day 3. You also accuse people of being all over the place with their votes (you repeated this a lot, curious) while you personally kept jumping from candidate to candidate (palmar, foolishness, mattchew, bm, kurumi, bh, zealos and even randomly wbg, sandroba and me). You clearly didn't care about who was being lynched yet kept complaining about the lack of focus.

How do you like the q-bert-z is mole theory? Who is the last mafia in this scenario?
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