EPTOn July 25 2012 05:46 syllogism wrote:
Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him?
Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him?
It's a trap!
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 )Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote: He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak. It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time. It doesn't get much more passive than this: At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos. Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all. Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum. Zealos - he is scum. Again he is uninvested in the game. He doctored sandroba's message to him in addition to not bringing it to the thread originally (I'm aware Kurumi flipped town, but it is definitely anti-town...). layabout brought up how Zealos played in Bang Bang. A decent filter comparison because he replaced into both games. It seems clear to me that Zealos was much more interested and invested in the course of that game (even if he did make questionable decisions). He was quite active and at least looking for some truth. Here his filter is defending himself poorly and very little else. What is Zealos trying to do? Also the case on Hiro is bad and smells of him making an effort because he feels he finally needs to. rastaban - not quite as sure with rastaban as I am with the two above, but I think he will flip scum. Earlier in the game, MZ's case was an accurate summation of rastaban's play. He was going wherever the lynch was easiest, taking the path of least resistance. Since the time of his case, he's pinged the other way in what reads to me as an artificial attempt at pushing new/interesting ideas. He magics a townread on Kurumi on the basis that Kurumi /outs a different game, and when the sentiment was anti-Foolish he buddies up to him On July 22 2012 04:57 rastaban wrote: I was snooping through some of the experienced players filters Syllogism is town it is pretty obvious Foolishness I'm sorry I doubted you for a bit. I forgot last game we played together mafia's ploy was to get you lynched. I am convinced your town now so let's work together. You are posting just like you did then with distant for poor town play an focusing on finding scum. I like it! Not sure on ggq yet, time for more research! Chezinu and sandroba are obviously town. BM is so different from himself he must be scum. Just the tone of how it's written feels fake. "Look! I'm being different! yay!" He also makes a bizarre case on layabout on the basis of wbg's nightkill. It was an entire case built on some wifom and fundamentally he seems to be thinking in a different way than I'd expect a townie to. Other bits and bobs: gonzaw: I seem to have a townread on him now having looked through his filter. His posts read as genuine and earnest to me. He's had a couple of dodgy reads which I'd love to say constituted an agenda, but he never pushed the misdirection of them, so I'm not seeing it. On Katina: her filter is interesting. My question to her some pages back re:syllogism was the question mark I took out of reading her filter earlier. I'm not quite sure how she can have a null read on syllo at the moment, syllo is too prominent for this to be the case. Some of it read quite decently though with her belief of BH/Palmar being scum. Basically I'm saying I'm on the fence with her atm. | ||
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Again what is a scum Katina pushing at in these circumstances? | ||
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On July 25 2012 07:10 Mattchew wrote: This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you (I would argue like literally no one is) and I don't think Katina was as confident as you. If Katina is scum and was not in connection with Palmar, there is an extremely low chance of Palmar being scum. lets say katina is an exec, and Palmar is not her minion (50/50), one would assume that if Palmar was scum, he'd be the other exec, but thats only 1 person out of a list of like 7 or 8 vets in the game. lets say katina is a minion, palmar is not her exec so that leaves the same situation as found above. I think the consensus of the thread and everyone in general was that if Palmar were to flip scum, he'd be an exec. This means that if Katina did not know his role she would be actually playing it pretty safe thinking Palmar was town due to the numbers alone ? This is all nonsense. | ||
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On July 25 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Scum don't know other scum. Lest we forget. Scumhunting doesn't clear you syllo. I'm a little salty about no one listening to me but meh...maybe you will listen to a dead guy. What were you referring to with this VE? | ||
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On July 25 2012 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote: At the risk of sounding like a douche....that's really scummy of you sir. lol no it isn't, it means he's being a pansy | ||
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I feel quite immersed at the moment though. One reason I really liked your post (I've not even gone over it again to digest the content properly) is that you're actively having these paranoid thoughts. It's healthy, and if it's a mafia play I would be quite amazed. It's what town was missing (or, not pushing hard enough perhaps) in Liar where the original townie circle (wbg/syllo/palmar) was infiltrated by mafia and the 2nd circle (gonzaw/ET/MZ) had 2 mafia in it. Vets especially take their read (especially town ones oddly) and get extremely arrogant with it, to their detriment much later when it's too late. | ||
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On July 25 2012 10:29 rastaban wrote: I don't think it is, the biggest reason people said my case against him was flawed was because he appealed to emotion and they thought he wouldn't stoop to that. If he is scum it would explain some things and this fits into my argument that scum could appeal to emotion as well. Maybe he wouldn't stoop to using it to justify lurking but what if he was scum and wasn't into it either. It is certainly worth speculating on. it's predicated on too many unlikely ifs IF scum forgot to send in a kill IF layabout was somehow in charge (unlikely) already you're left with trying to extrapolate something which has a rather low probability of occurring in the first place. Evidence is hard enough when you're not having to assume, never mind when you're assuming based on those probabilities. That's why it's a waste of time. | ||
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