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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 11:54 GMT
#3377
Your list is a list of people I'm least sure of. It has to be gonzaw because I'm confident about him and because town needs direction. I think the fact I've been, in the end, correct about all the flipped mafia so far should give me some credibility here as should the fact I got shot last night.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 12:06 GMT
#3379
Is it not? We caught mafia yesterday by doing just that (layabout, gonzaw). There is nothing inherently good about consensus lynches as that relies on the majority of town being correct and even then mafia can influence who gets lynched. If we take some sort of average town opinion, it will quite often turn out to be wrong.

When things are less clear and more information is needed, discussion is good. Otherwise sheeping is fine and nothing is stopping is from discussing other candidates even though we lynch gonzaw today.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 14:04 GMT
#3385
Really mattchew, how many times does it take
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 14:58 GMT
#3392
On July 25 2012 23:49 marvellosity wrote:
wow

Why are you so bothered about that? You sheeped us on Palmar

On July 23 2012 18:38 marvellosity wrote:
Until I get home and have more time later I'm going to sheep town

##Vote: Palmar


On July 24 2012 05:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he doesn't care about the game. He only pops in to provide either displeasure or assent with the present target and then pops off...this isn't townPalmar behavior.


Alright. I'm gonna trust you/sandroba/syllo/whoever else. My read on him still isn't much away from null, but for someone who knows Palmar better that may be telling in itself


I will have to re-evaluate my read on you because it was purely based on some of your reactions feeling genuine, but your actual actions otherwise aren't quite line in what I would expect from town. On day 1 you even claimed that BH's "case" on me was better than the one on him, which is utterly laughable.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 15:04 GMT
#3394
If you thought this

On July 17 2012 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh my lord, you're right. Syllo's managed to make several posts without actually comitting to anything at all. I take it all back, he's the scum here. He agrees with Sandro on me, but doesn't do anything about it. He would "like to lynch" probulous, but doesn't vote him.

I've seen the light.

##unvote
##vote: syllogism


die scum


Was better than what we said about blazing's play, I don't know what to tell you. Well I can tell you to vote gonzaw
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 15:12 GMT
#3397
That's nice, feel free to vote based on some sort of grudge/issue you have with my style instead of trying to win the game.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 16:07 GMT
#3407
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
About laya:
I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability).
I don't get why some people think killing him should be a priority over people like syllo/FOolishness or even Palmar and stuff.

On July 23 2012 10:01 gonzaw wrote:
layabout, do you think Palmar is town or do you just not want him lynched today?


On July 23 2012 10:08 gonzaw wrote:
lol layabout stealing the words from my mouth before I post

If he didn't shoot Foo and is scum I don't see why he would even fake-claim in the first place.
I've never seen a game where a scum fake-claimed a vig shot from someone else, specially if it's the beginning of the game.


After laya flips mafia

On July 25 2012 12:01 gonzaw wrote:
lol forgot layabout was in this game

I'll check him tomorrow though, I'm going to sleep now.

I'm sure you did
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 16:35 GMT
#3414
On July 17 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote:
Okay woke up

Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck.

I'll deal with the ICBINT Mafia game and then come back to this one.
Fuck I thought this would start after one of the 2 games I'm playing would end >_>

On July 17 2012 06:22 gonzaw wrote:
Man I thought I had time for this but now I have to go to uni all of a sudden (to check some test results).


On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote:
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter.
Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/
After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly


On July 18 2012 10:59 gonzaw wrote:
I can't believe I'm getting lynched just because I don't have time.
Once the other UG game I'm playing in and/or Can't Believe ends (or I die in them) I'll be able to devote more time to this game, but not right now.


On July 18 2012 11:18 gonzaw wrote:
They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today".

Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter.
I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2.

Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/
At least I learned my lesson here.


On July 19 2012 05:43 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, I'll go back to Can't Believe, do stuff there, then in my other game and come back. I'll have to go somewhere in 2 hours or so so expect from me later, like before the deadline or something.

Yes, these are excuses but I can't do anything else. The alternative I have is just make incomplete posts and disappear for a long time without explaining myself, which doesn't make my actions transparent at all.
If the truth makes me scummy then whatever, I won't lie to you just to appear more "townie". If I'm switching my attention between games I'll state so.


On July 21 2012 11:48 gonzaw wrote:
Can't Believe ended, so I'll have more time for this game (finally). My other UG game hasn't ended yet, but it will soon, so stay tuned.


On July 21 2012 12:14 gonzaw wrote:
Oh, just remembered.
Tomorrow I'm going away for the weekend. I'll be gone for like 1 day.
Thank god it's night, if not I could get modkilled or something


On July 24 2012 08:04 gonzaw wrote:
I'm going to the gym now and I think I'll be back right before the deadline.


On July 25 2012 07:29 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, I'm back and I'll reread some filters, although I'm extremely lazy at this moment :/


He sure is self conscious about his activity in this game. Lets compare his attitude towards the lynch deadline in the other game he was playing in, in which he was town



On July 14 2012 01:33 gonzaw wrote:
Ehmm...is it me or does the day END IN FREAKING 5 HOURS!!!!??


Seriously people, these votes are a mess, there are 6 people with votes on them and the guy with most votes has 3 (marv will you keep your vote on solstice?).

So please people consolidate the votes unless you want:
1)A NL
2)A rushed last-minute wagon on someone (to prevent NL) that will most likely end up being town.


I already said I think Keirath is scum and should be today's lynch. But I wouldn't mind a Dropbear lynch either (because of reasons stated earlier).

In mind with S&B's recent posting I wouldn't mind his lynch either, I don't like how he sporadically comes into the thread to shit things up and doesn't seem to care about being part of any discussion.

At least I want some freaking discussion about the lynch.


Meanwhile in this game, with 1h 40 minutes until deadline and his vote on a person who didn't seem likely would get lynched

On July 18 2012 11:18 gonzaw wrote:
They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today".

Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter.
I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2.

Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/
At least I learned my lesson here.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 16:38 GMT
#3416
I'm not completely opposed to a MZ lynch as I do have issues with his play as well, I'm just more confident about Gonzaw, although not quite as confident as I was about foolishness/palmar/laya. Thus I'm pushing gonzaw.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 19:31 GMT
#3434
Oh I've to make a correction, gonzaw posted that layabout remark before probulous lynched him, doesn't change much though. Might be even worse actually as there is no reason to randomly state that you forgot talking about a person who you had never suspected and had even at one point defended.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 20:29 GMT
#3440
Well that's nice, can we get a claim?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 21:10 GMT
#3447
On July 18 2012 07:40 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
I have no name cache here, that's fine. But read this with an open mind. Seriously read point (1). Consider whether it makes sense.

(1) Sandroba's role is way, way, way too powerful
Not a single person here knows how sandroba's power works. Mafia, town, 5th party, whatever. Nobody is curious?

Nobody is thinking, jeez, in a game where mafia cannot communicate except through 2 messages per day cycle, 2 messages per night cycle, and there are NINE of them. A game where they might lynch each other, NK each other, use powers on each other. Nobody is going, holy balls, the ability to SEND FAKE MESSAGES is an incredibly, incredibly powerful role?

Think about it. The way sandroba used it, he's a cop. You ask someone to do something, if they do, they must have assumed it was from a mafia higher-up. So if they obey, they're mafia, you got this game's equivalent of a red check. Moreover, you're a cop that cannot be affected by any kind of framing power. Normal cops can be balanced out by gfs, millers, frames. A red check from a normal cop may or may not indicate scum. Saying "Hey use these 3 phrases in your next post to identify yourself" CANNOT be balanced by any mechanic at all. If they obey a message they received, when they had no idea anyone other than mafia could send messages, they must be mafia. Name a single other explanation, because when kurumi tried to give one, it sounded dumb and everyone agreed it sounded dumb.


No.
If a scum that's not CEO received his order first then sandro's message 2nd, he'd instantly figure out something is wrong, and it would be likely he'd figure out the 2nd message was bogus and not sent by his supervisor.
If the scum is the CEO then he knows it's bogus.
I think "Use these phrases to identify your partners" thing is not allowed in those mafia communications since it outs their mafia members so the hosts would censor it, meaning even if everything happened according to sandro's plan scum may just not believe that message would get by that censor.
It's not that powerful if scum are smart and can easily figure out the bogus message; at least in this case (not if sandro had made a more "subtle" message).

I don't really think his outburst here is "pushing a mafia agenda" and makes him scum alone, I'll need to read his filter first.

It seems Foo' or syllo won't get lynched though. Austin and Blazinghand are the only choices?
I don't really like any of them to lynch today.

If I understand this post correctly, you were saying that what mafia would likely not believe a message that would tell them to identify themselves by posting something specific. But if that's the case, why did you think kurumi was mafia? It seems to me that when you were writing this, you weren't thinking about kurumi at all, because otherwise saying this doesn't make sense. This may be a bit of a stretch, but it feels weird to say something like this when you were "certain" one "mafia" had already fallen for it.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 21:52 GMT
#3454
Gonzaw I think your approach to situations Zealos and Sloosh are inconsistent and suspicious. In the case of Zealos you ignore every town-aligned explanation for his play while you aren't even slightly suspicious about Sloosh' claim and even suggest that supersoft is more suspicious despite claiming a mirror role of a flipped mafia.

On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:
lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.


About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me
.


Really, you think Sloosh' extremely unusual and unlikely role claim and the fact he shot a person who he had previously defended isn't suspicious, but you question supersoft's play more? Why would mafia supersoft ever counterclaim there? To force a mislynch? That's laughable. The counterclaimer in this situation is actually much less suspicious.

You are mafia
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 22:11 GMT
#3459
We still have over 24 hours yes.

Gonzaw: it has to do with your approaches. In Zealos' case you dismiss every explanation that might explain his behavior even if he is town and in Sloosh' case you dismiss every explanation why the play makes sense from mafia perspective. The claim is so suspicious, that the inconsistency and flat out refusal to lynch sloosh combined with your eagerness to lynch zealos is why I am not willing to believe you are town.

Unsurprisingly sloosh voted meapak rather than gonzaw
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 22:19 GMT
#3464
You do realize mafia make bad claims all the time and then they get lynched? I'm pretty sure you do
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 25 2012 22:20 GMT
#3465
I mean Palmar just did a poor claim and flipped mafia, which you of course ignored
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 26 2012 09:35 GMT
#3520
I'm up for lynching sloosh instead. Nothing about his claim is believable and by this point I think he is more likely to flip mafia than gonzaw
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 26 2012 09:54 GMT
#3521
Hey I've an idea, everyone type

##nuke sloosh

No excuse for not cooperating
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 26 2012 11:19 GMT
#3524
Are you going to come back before lynch? It's in 12h 40minutes
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 26 2012 12:37 GMT
#3527
On July 25 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote:
Supersoft what kind of argument is that? Kill MZ because if every sensible person dies he's going to manipulate the town if he's scum. What's with the damn unwillingness to lynch actuall scum. We got people I've felt like nearly everyone agrees are scummy, like zealous or rastaban but somehow they don't die.

I'm going to vote Zealous now and everyone who's interested in killing scum should join in.
##Vote Zealous

Hey risk we have killed 4 mafia in a row so why would you say this? Can you ##nuke sloosh please
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