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On July 25 2012 05:44 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 05:27 syllogism wrote:Who would you like to lynch tomorrow, Sloosh? What did you mean exactly by this On July 25 2012 02:47 slOosh wrote:On July 02 2012 16:06 Protactinium wrote:
-Minions have no knowledge. However, they each may have an ability. The three executive officers have no innate abilities.
Reviewed the OP / flips - it could even be less than that. Thoughts on risk.nuke as the next GGQ? Current list is layabout, Meapak, Zealos, BM, risk.nuke. With risk it looks like he is skating by with minimal involvement - half his recent filter are questions. He is the cause of VE mistaking him for a vig but never bothered to clarify himself, so either he isn't reading or doesn't care. The reference to GGQ is that risk is flying under everyone's radars, yet doing enough to not get modkilled.
Why do you want to lynch Bill murray? Is it because Palmar and Foolishness wanted to lynch him?
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I see you did post some thoughts of your own about him, but you would think palmar/foolishness flipping mafia and pushing the lynch would make you reconsider a bit. I don't particularly like the post where you commented on Foolishness' case as it had too many strange clarifications and you even said that you had started ignoring him, just like in a previous game where he flipped mafia...
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Yes, but rest assured neither of them thought he was mafia
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Of course it means something. Just because mafia do not know who the other mafia are does not mean they want to actually lynch mafia if they can get away with it. Pushing to lynch mafia every day isn't a very sound strategy for a mafia victory.
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Hi Katina do you have any town reads at all?
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I read back over his filter a few days ago and it was too derpy for me to make anything of it at that time
Oh I didn't notice this before. She needs to die.
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Katina shouldn't be around for end game, I think. It feels like she is playing like a mafia member who is just bussing everyone and somewhat genuinely hunting for mafia she doesn't know. She isn't allying herself with anyone, which is a very weird way to play as town. I should look into her town games, but there isn't much time left.
She shouldn't be a priority based on what we know right now though and this is a weak read.
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Oh look another person Gonzaw was ignoring flipped mafia. Really, you forgot that he is in the game despite me calling layabout confirmed mafia and saying that he should be our lynch today?
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VE: I don't think Probulous is mafia, nor do I think you are. We should calm down and lynch into people who have been useless and/or on the wrong side of almost every mafia lynch/flip so far. If we ever reach a point we run out of such targets we can start entertaining wild theories, but there is almost no chance at all probulous is ever mafia given his play so far.
Similarly it's almost impossible for Chezinu to be mafia just based on what we know about the setup. The op states that
There is no upwards or lateral communication.
I don't know who Chezinu has actually claimed messaging, but this heavily indicates there is no mafia messenger role. The rules also say that communication between mafia is heavily censored, so if Chezinu sent BH a message, it's extremely unlikely that a not-so-subtle message like that would be approved if chezinu is mafia.
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Gonzaw has defended both laya and BH and didn't vote BH despite him being the other day 1 wagon. Pretty sure Gonzaw is the chairman or at least mafia.
##vote Gonzaw
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I'm much more confident about Gonzaw than meapak. There is no way meapak is going to be able to cast doubt on anything if he mafia. Gonzaw is pretty much guaranteed mafia and playing exactly like I would expect the chairman to play. He defended 2 chairman minions and attacked palmar on day 1, yet on day 3 he suddenly thought palmar was town. I wonder what changed his mind? Lets compare
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
About Palmars RL thingy:
Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game
I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum.
I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum.
I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target".
About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum.
I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ).
I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days.
About Palmar:I don't agree with this lynch at all. This lynch is based on him "being Executive because of balance issues" and because "Foo defended him without reason". I also Palmar is most likely town. Here is his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=87086Here is his filter from iGrok's game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=87086In iGrok's game he did stay to his "town aggressive Palmar" game on D1, but however as you can see from D2 onwards he stopped giving a shit about the game and just trolled from then on. I don't see that this game. In D2 he even started to be active and give his reads and reasoning behind them, even more so than in D1, and that's not how scum Palmar plays, he's putting much more effort this game than when he's scum.
Wow really gonzaw, Palmar started putting in effort after day 2?
Just lynch gonzaw, he is guaranteed to flip mafia
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Bill Murray can you steal maybe Sloosh's or Zealos' vote today? Both have claimed something so if it turns out that they have a day power, they are mafia.
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Risk any thoughts on gonzaw? We are probably going to lynch him you know, I am going to insist
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Supersoft what is the exact name of your role? Just need it for something
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On July 25 2012 19:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not voting gonzaw today and i'm certainly not voting to kill anyone because of a mirror theory
I'm 3/3 so far with people who I have called confirmed mafia and I'm calling gonzaw confirmed. Do I actually have to keep providing reasons or why not just take my word for it instead? I was hit last night and I had said I intended to push for layabout lynch today. Chairman decides who gets lynched and layabout was his minion. Please don't make the game harder than it needs to be.
Regarding mirror roles:
Visceraeyes, as you can see, so far mafia mirror roles have had different names from their presumably town counterparts. They were as far as we know provided only VT role claims.
WBG was Judge
Palmar Lawyer
BH Hired Hitman
Supersoft Suicidal Salaryman
Kurumi America, RoL Macedonia
Layabout Canada posing as America or something
Probulous claimed the exact same role and role name as you VE and before you did. It's obviously not conclusive, but it certainly makes sense for him to be town just based on that. Help me lynch Gonzaw today.
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EBWOP: chairman decides who gets hit after ceo is dead
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Foolishness probably didn't move his vote day1 because he thought/knew that both Gonzaw and BH are mafia
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That's nice, but that was a 3 mafia team setup with PMs and there was a good, if dumb meta reason for my wrong read.
I don't see how you can look at his filter, his activity and who he has defended and think he is town. Look at his case post today and the guilty "wow i forgot layabout is in this game lol" (after he had just defended/talked to him on day 3!) post after layabout was king lynched. Look at his promises to be more active once the other games he was in ended. Look at his behavior yesterday when we were trying to brute force palmar lynch. When it was a foregone conclusion that palmar would be lynched, he said this
On July 24 2012 06:30 gonzaw wrote:
Well shit, Palmar's claim doesn't make much sense actually.
If he was Copycat he'd get Rol's role like other people said; if he could choose which role to get it'd be very powerful, and he would have likely chosen Kurumi's role instead (once Kurumi died), since he knew Kurumi had a nuke since D1.
His posting on D2 doesn't see like a scum Palmar to me, would a scum Palmar put effort like that?
Him just giving up right now is not making things any easier.
I'll likely change my vote to him to consolidate, but I won't just sheep a vote on someone I'm not sure is scum so I want some more explanations first.
And then
On July 24 2012 08:04 gonzaw wrote:
I expected someone to answer me by now :/
@Prob: Will you answer what I posted before?
*sigh*
You guys better be right, I don't have a good feeling about this
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Palmar
I'm going to the gym now and I think I'll be back right before the deadline.
His vote wasn't needed, but this reads like a post of someone who feels he has to switch to avoid suspicion and tries, feebly, look town in the process.
Probulous/VE/Supersoft help me brute force this
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I've been wrong numerous times in this game and still am about some things I'm sure, but I'm fairly confident about this. Nothing wrong with re-evaluating based on new evidence or evidence you hadn't considered before. I admit that I'm never really 100% sure despite sometimes appearing extremely confident in the thread.
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