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Evul, JieXian is saying that the logical choice for you if you are scum and Lazer is town was to vote for Hopeless because if you hadn't and Lazer flipped green, you would have looked quite scummy, and not only would Hopeless have had a high chance of being lynched the next day anyway, you would also be compromised and under heavy scrutiny. | ||
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Evul, JieXian is saying that the logical choice for you if you are scum and Lazer is town was to vote for Hopeless because if you had voted for Lazer and he flipped green, you would have looked quite scummy for protecting Hopeless, and not only would Hopeless have had a high chance of being lynched the next day anyway, you would also be compromised and under heavy scrutiny. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2012 13:43 BassInSpace wrote: I'm still not liking Mackin's posts. Here's why: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 05:48 Mackin wrote: Hey guys, I've only caught up on what I've missed, but I want to provide some defense for myself from some FoS I've been getting. I feel it's a little unfair, but I'll explain myself each time someone has called me out. Ok, so yeah dropped off but not exactly available 24/7 so it's not really that strange - just different time zones / bed times is all. I agree I haven't contributed too much, but call me out on anything I say and I'll justify it. Ok Lazer, I'm ready to contribute - I'll be pretty active for a good while if I have anything to add  As I said before, don't jump to point the FoS on me just because I have different sleeping times than others. I see the post isn't exactly contradictory now but it still is worded badly, and I think I was one of two who misinterpreted what he was saying about roleclaiming. // I would agree with you on that point except for the fact that if you read the thread you would realise I wasn't the only one trying to get people talking by saying stuff about their names. If anything I've been pro-town by trying to get people to post which I think worked in some small part, because now it's clearer to see people's stance on each other since they have actually been posting. More posts in thread = more informed decisions - absolutely true in Mafia. Also for Hapahauli, you're using words like "huge red flag" and "very anti town" when my motive was simply to get the ball rolling in this game. I feel this is very harsh for how little I've posted, but hopefully I'll have something to add when I re-read everyone's posts. Back to JieXian: Focus on me all you want, I have nothing but valid reasons for posting what I have so far, call me out if you want an explanation. Hmm, I know you say I haven't posted anything of worth, but I disagree. As I have stated above, that in my eyes, it's not so much as the content I had posted but the post itself to get people talking is the main reason for my post. Anyway, the way I see it, I haven't exactly "bandwagoned" I just agree putting pressure on players earlier on as it helps to get them talking. Anyway, I'm gonna look into everyone's post again and post my thoughts on some of the other players... Inflates the contributions he's made to the thread. At that point, he hadn't promoted any discussion, all he did was make a few people talk about how scummy he is. Next: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 07:15 Mackin wrote: I'm not exactly sure of what to think yet. Nobody has clearly made any big bold statements but whoever the Mafia are, they sure are trying their best to confuse the shit out of me. I can see why people say Mafia is more rewarding the more time you spend looking at it, it is really difficult to make an informed decision when half of the people are lying to you Release seems like he's on the town's side, as does Hapa, Zen and JieXian, who mostly has the same motive to get people talking as me. Many people have already given credible reasons for suspicion of others, including suspicion aimed at myself but I can see pretty much everyone isn't doing too bad at acting townie. False, at that point release and lazer were already starting to go at each other (although maybe this doesn't fit his definition of bold, so it's arguable), but Hapa was already attacking Hopeless, and had even dropped his vote on him already. He's being non-committal. He also gives the excuse that he is confused by everyone, possibly as a cover for his infrequent and generally content light posting, although I admit this may be digging a little too hard. And then we have this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 08:42 Mackin wrote: @Hapa: Your case on Hopeless1der: I don't know what to think here. It's like Hopeless is really trying to build a case against you, he builds up quite alot in the first post and when you make your stance clear in your response, his response is to back down immediately. Maybe he just wanted to question you and test the water a bit? I don't think he's trying to genuinely full on attack and point the FoS here. I don't know why he starts going on about Release, if I was thinking more suspiciously of him, he maybe just wanted the conversation to change quickly and forget about building a case on you. Case vs. TMG26: Unless his English is really bad, I can see some basis for thinking he isn't exactly on townie side. He may be trying to be really diplomatic for the purposes of going through to the next day, but then again mafia will try to act diplomatic while pushing accusations at the same time like he did in that first quoted post. It's hard to know whats going on in that first post, because his English really isn't great so I'm undecided. I think the indecision may be out of fear of being lynched on day1 townie, but it's hard to know whether the indecision is because he isn't sure and doesn't want to accuse someone innocent or because he has a reason to be indecisive... I don't understand what he's trying to achieve. It does seem odd/slightly scummy but still undecided. Bass said: I don't quite understand. So you think that hopeless and jingle are mafia because hopeless defended jingle, but jingle and harry are actually your prime suspects? I'd just like this point clarified. All in all, TMG is my strongest read so far. I think that's a good point actually. why would harry be one of TMG's prime suspects if hopeless had defended jingle (if he is assuming jingle to be scummy?) Onto the case against Release: I think TMG's case against Release isn't so strong - anyone putting out an early FoS isn't that serious in D1 early stages as it keeps the discussion going and there is no strong points in the post you (hapa) have linked, whereas Evul brings up a better worded, but still annoyingly confusing case against him. I can see why he calls out certain things Release has said, but nothing said actually sounds too scummy to me, but I know I could easily be missing something. Anyway, I'm getting really tired, damn GMT time so I might have to goto bed soon Again, claiming that he doesn't know what to think/is confused, thereby not taking a stance on either hopeless or TMG. And then, out of nowhere, this: No explanation before or after. Not even a post. At that point it was 3 votes a piece for Hopeless and Lazer. I'm thinking this is a throwaway vote on someone who is highly unlikely to be lynched; again, being very non-committal. It will be interesting to see how zen man responds now, since he promised a proper post on Lazer on day 2. | ||
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If anything made him look fishy to me, it's his willingness to jump on Lazer (again) based on what is obviously a typo (to put it in Release's own words against Lazer awhile ago, "grasping at straws"), and the vote switch to Jingle without much explanation at all. The post he made listing detective claims could also have been an attempt at making a useful post without actually being all that useful, but this could be stretching it too far. | ||
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On July 08 2012 14:31 JieXian wrote: About Mackin, I've a feeling that he's just a lazy townie. His vote on YourHarry was probably because he jumped right to the last page and read my argument with Harry and just voted. That is just a guess though, we'll have to wait to see if he's going to make his actions clear when he gets back. I'm inclined to lean towards Lazer rather than Zen Man at the moment, at least until Zen Man comes back with the promised case for his vote against Lazer. Release, I was talking about your vote change TO Jingle, here: On July 08 2012 10:26 Release wrote: ##unvote ##vote: jinglehell After having said you didn't feel that Jingle was scum: On July 07 2012 15:19 Release wrote: Well i read the Jingle case and i can't disagree with it. But it makes me uncomfortable to feel that he is scum, because then YourHarry would be the other scum (those two had a little OMGUS battle and then suddenly reconciled, great way to clutter the thread), leaving no place for Lazer to be scum, which i still think is true. And mackin... | ||
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"I'm inclined to lean towards Lazer rather than Zen Man at the moment, at least until Zen Man comes back with the promised case for his vote against Lazer" "I'm inclined to lean town towards Lazer rather than Zen Man at the moment, at least until Zen Man comes back with the promised case for his vote against Lazer" | ||
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You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2012 10:02 Mackin wrote: Ok guys so I know I stepped out of the loop for quite a while, but I'm gonna step in now before bed and give my opinions on some people before we get back into day. Evul has his case/claim now for being pro-town with his vote being important on the day 1 lynching. I don't see him as too suspicious so far. Zen_man I feel is pro town. Either that or he's good mafia. Don't know why he has such a strong hate against Lazer but I'm gonna look into Lazer in some more detail later. Lazer: I don't see anything from his posts that are particularly mafia so far. I really don't understand where people got off accusing him. I would like someone to point out the traits people see in him as mafia. Release: Literally no idea, from what he has posted I didn't learn much except for the fact he near toppled over back at end of D1 voting. It was so so good Hopeless was mafia because it said something about Release's read. YourHarry: My vote on him probably gave a lot of people a WTF type feeling. I just had some feeling that he was scum but since voting I'm not so sure. Hapa: Is being unbelievably good townie. I find it funny though because I've came up with some crazy theories on how he could be the Godfather who wanted to bus one of his men early to add confidence to his name, then acts and "is" pro town until the end where you discover he's really been the mastermind behind it all. I severely doubt this is the case though because he literally has provided really really good information and reads on each person, especially on Hopeless. It's easy to say now, but had I seen Hapa's post on why Hopeless had to go I would've switched votes... though I was unavailable at the time (which shouldn't be an issue anymore) Jingle: Scummy or not? Recently, if you look Jingle gets annoyingly defensive and suspicious every time he posted in response to grilling from Hapa. This could be for either two things - straight up scum or else genuine townie getting so annoyed. I don't know which way to take this but I'll say he's not on my townie list Bass: From what he has posted so far, I'm thinking he's town but meeeh... TMG: Meeh - I'll do one later Jie: Also do one later, but slightest scum vibes. It pretty much tells us nothing about your reads on who is mafia. It just tells us who you "feel" is town, and who you're unsure of. You are still a candidate for mafia for me at the very least. I'l also be taking you up on your offer now to ask you questions. What do you think of the current cases? Who do you actually think could be mafia? Now YourHarry, I don't like how you're playing with the numbers here and going through multiple scenarios. Randomly lynching can still lose us the game. It should be played out as it normally would: finding scummy behaviour and voting for it. Random lynching would just be lazy. JieXian is right, even if the odds may seem favourable, it's still gambling. There was no need to tell him to shut up though... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2012 18:40 Mackin wrote: Hey guys, I'm claiming Vanilla Townie. I know I'm on a couple of people's suspicions list, but as JieXian said: He's right here. I was very short on time IRL and knew I had to get a vote down. I said early I was unavailable at the time but whatever. And whoever wants to ask me any questions, feel free. I have nothing to hide. Also glad to see Jingle cleared as if you check my earlier posts, I can't see anything I've said to overly mislead anyone. If you look at one of my larger blocks of text: I totally made a logical reason for why he posted talking about Release. I said that if he was scum, he was probably trying to distract from the case against him, and that proved correct no? In my opinion, I can't see any real just case against me, though feel free to bring it people. That doesn't count. Yes, it's an analysis. But let's have a closer look at the bolded sections. You have the benefit of hindsight now in saying that you were right about Hopeless. At the time of making that post, you weren't sure about anything. You didn't even commit to anything. If Hopeless had flipped green, you could just argue and say "oh, look I was right, he really WAS just testing the waters". | ||
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The above post is in reply to Mackin's latest post here: + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2012 21:07 Mackin wrote: Well Bass, if I was playing mafia, I wouldn't mind being bussed if it meant a win - I understand you don't get to analyze and post as much but a win is a win regardless. Maybe it is just brilliant strategy as everyone's convinced on Hapa's pro-town status? If it did turn out Hapa was mafia it would be hilarious, because I can't see anyone wanting to lynch him the rest of the game. Fairly unlikely, but still possible. I'm wondering what happens if its decided to lynch Zen/Release/me and we all flip green. I'm fairly sure the mafia would be sitting happy and in great shape for actually winning with the odds against (s)he... Anyway I provided some defense earlier showing some pro-townie stuff I've said and some people have basically ignored it. Please read and comment appropriately. | ||
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Valid points against me, but could be playing smart mafia trying to lynch the player with some weaknesses in play (aka me). If I get lynched please be careful of him as I'm undecided of why he's pushing me so hard. I really have nothing to hide so if I'm continually pushed I will be suspicious. I'm sorry if you feel that I'm pushing you hard, but as you just said yourself, there are valid points against you. You never properly addressed the original case against you, and you're not the only player who copped flack for that; Zen man is too. I wanted you to make your position clear so that we don't have a wildcard in a player like you if the game ever goes late and we can't actually afford a mislynch. We got completely screwed over by a wildcard in my last game because we ignored him for too long. You're not playing nearly as bad as he was, but as you can see over the last few posts, there are people who are still suspicous of you. It's good that you have kicked up the activity and did actually name players who you consider scummy this time. You needn't worry about a case against you at this time, however. I think a Zen man lynch is more likely at this point. | ||
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"You needn't worry about a case against you at this time" "You needn't worry about a lynch against you at this time" | ||
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##Vote The_Zen_Man Subject to change should he actually post something decent by the time I'm around again of course. | ||
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