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On June 30 2012 23:48 prplhz wrote: /in  | ||
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MrZentor has correctly identified my vote as a reaction test against a less known, less experienced (objectively by post count) player. By doing this I have achieved two objectives of mine: first is to get better reads on people via gauging the responses to my weird play and also subsequent responses to those players. Pushing to something more meaningful than trite policy lynches and giving us something to work with. Secondly, it makes me more visible - people are keeping an eye on me. Because I'm somewhat confident in my ability to reveal my towniness, this serves to give me a greater voice in town. People pay attention to the posts of those who they think suspicious. That means people gonna read what I say and also get a better, i.e. town, read on me. Awesome. In any case I'll be resuming my regular play. ##Unvote: MrZentor ##Vote: Sinensis (I'll be posting more later in the day. Slept at 4am yesterday due to shenanigans and gonna go work now. Hold me accountable) | ||
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Wahaha ... I guess the sleepy hasn't wore off yet. It should read ##Unvote: drwiggl3s ##Vote: Sinensis | ||
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On July 07 2012 00:44 slOosh wrote: (I'll be posting more later in the day. Slept at 4am yesterday due to shenanigans and gonna go work now. Hold me accountable) Accountable for thread contribution and presence, not a lynch on Sinensis (if that is where the confusion is coming from). Sinensis was the first flag of mine in terms of responses, and therefore the first thing I mentioned. I didn't comment on prplhz b/c I didn't have time in the morning to properly read it (opposed to a singleton post from Sinensis). Sinensis is a gut read. His posting seems very ... mechanical, almost as if it has been examined and proofread. "Since that seems to be what we're talking about" doesn't seem like a natural phrase. Neither does the word choice "disappointed" - we've only played one game (SoaF) and I don't think our relationship is that where he would expect great things from me. Now it's a gut read because posting style isn't definitive / I'm not sure how good my tone & diction analysis is, which is why I plopped down a pressure vote. There isn't yet enough to push him hard, so gotta get more info. Explaining exactly what he is doing is giving away my potential case evidence which serves to weaken any future potential cases against him, and removes the "pressure" part of the vote; however now I am doing so because it seems some people are really concerned with my initial behavior and my proving my innocence is pretty important for future collaboration of reads. thoughts on prplhz I found his initial vote on me and subsequent explanation of it (low tolerance on bs) believable from town perspective. Now he called marv scum based on just one post (as he voted me first and the only thing that changed was 1 hr and a couple posts from BL and marv) - strange. His policy lynch on Zentor comes to mind, and perhaps he saw a strong parallel between that and marv's inital vote on MsZontar. Yet to stop him in such a way (calling him scum repeatedly rather than addressing town) isn't what I'd expect from a townie who genuinely wanted to do it. His "not this again" doesn't make sense, because he believes marv is scum, in which case it is VE and marv going at it, and they aren't both town in his mind, yet that was what it was in Movie Mini Mafia (the game he is referring to for those who don't understand) - a slugfest between two townies. People are definitely concerned and expressed suspicions of him yet he has not done anything to remedy this, but has been posting in a haughty / antagonistic manner. People are obviously putting visible effort into this game (beside me at the point), yet he throws a hissy fit. Concluding thoughts: People shouldn't be WIFOMing themselves out of a lynch. He did some scummy things. If he doesn't give adequate explanation / contributions, he should hang end of story. | ||
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As an aside there is no need to crap on MrZentor. Rather, you should be figuring out with me if he is either trying to deflect a lynch or if he genuinely thinks that Sinensis is much scummier. On that note, MrZentor how does Sinensis alone earn a mention, and subsequent vote, when I see several other players who would fit the bill of "cautious" or "afraid to post"? | ||
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There isn't a need to put my vote on that because it already is the highest vote wagon - it's already being pushed. | ||
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Dangeresque, along with MsZontar, BL and drwiggl3s are all people that come to mind. I think they all display a different aspect of caution - whether it is because they are nervous or unsure or scum is the question at that. | ||
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On July 07 2012 13:58 Sinensis wrote: You switched your lynch candidate 3 times in 4 posts, and one of those posts was an edit. My thoughts were up to date a page ago. So how is that suspicious? Why is that exclusively a scum thing to do? | ||
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On July 07 2012 14:14 Sinensis wrote: It's suspicious because like I said before, you are switching your vote to people that are already priority lynch targets. That's suspicious. You give few, if any, reasons of your own for your voted. You are "jumping on bandwagons." You are "going with the flow." You said I was "mechanical." I don't agree with that observation. I am not a very careful poster at all; take a look at my last games if you don't believe me. I have already said why I don't agree with the observation that my play has been mechanical. I have already said why I would not choose prplhz as a day 1 lynch. If you truly believe what you have just said, I invite you to take a step back, reread my posts in context, and explain to me exactly where I do what you claim I do. I was the first vote for drwiggl3s, and also for you (aside from one post from MrZentor), and I got some flak for not jumping on the prphlz wagon by NSH. I've given reason for all of my votes, and I don't see how you can even consider switching votes to priority lynch targets an exclusively scum trait, as town have ample reason to do so, i.e. to lynch scum. Where are you getting your suspicions on me? Additionally, why did you choose to mention your reluctance of a prplhz D1 lynch now? How is that in my question? | ||
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On that note: you haven't yet said anything of Sinensis. | ||
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In any case I still got that gut feel (and its stronger than before) on Sinensis. And what I said to prplhz can be said of you too marv. You haven't yet said anything (meaningful) of Sinensis. | ||
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I'm been trying to figure out how to built a case on tonality / whatever it is I'm using. So I'll just bullet point things to keep in mind when reading thread / filter. - His hardline defense of prplhz. HARD. On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote: Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL." In an atmosphere where most of the vocal townies were expressing a desire to lynch prplhz, he hardline defends him. During this he calls us an "angry mob" and also hedges a backout option. Yet he admits that prplhz really isn't worth defending according to his current game play. There is a contradiction in word and action. He wants to be seen opposing the prplhz lynch yet he deems prplhz worth lynching up to that point. - His general tone of condescension and misinterpretation On July 07 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote: These people saying I'm too mechanical... what? You want me to post hilarious one liners and memes like others? Maybe someone could host a mafia pictionary edition where no one can post more than one image and one line of text at a time. We could call it 4chan mafia. Maybe I should use less capitalization and punctuation to help fit in. I understand being criticized for lurking, but being "too mechanical?" For my posts being well thought out, really? There are actually people bashing me for that? He is acting out really defensively but does so in a condescending anti-town manner. No one was bashing him, no one was critiquing him because his posts were well thought out. He is slinging mud around. - He spends his energies on meaningless things to feign activity Note the Zephirdd exchange: against a player he thinks is scummy he seems to think that changing his mind is a good action to pursue. Note his exchange with me, where he accuses me of ??? I address it here. He is conjuring up suspicions and flailing when pushed to explain them. Doesn't actually use these things for scumhunting. For Zephirdd, he called him scummy before the exchange, and with me, he ignores everything said and done to address prplhz. I think this is a solid D1 lynch. ##Vote Sinensis (for emphasis, my vote was already on him) | ||
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On that note 3 people are on the table for a nice vig lurker shot. I highly recommend that they step it up. | ||
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VE, thoughts on dangeresque and bluelightz? | ||
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##Vote:drwiggl3s Gotchya. | ||
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person 1:"hey what do you think of him?" person 2: (after personally looking at filter etc) "yea I'd lynch him" person 3: "me too" Objectively, if the thread was the only thing you could access than the Sinensis case is more well built. However, outside (of thread) info in the form of people's reads on Sinensis and drwiggl3s has played a factor (the former plays weird, the latter isn't playing like his town self). The basis of why right now its drwiggl3s over Sinensis is b/c several people are feeling iffy on the basis of Sinensis' meta and unwilling to vote him. | ||
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On July 08 2012 10:11 MsZontar wrote: Im not sure... ##Vote: Sinensis How about some transparency here? | ||
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NSH can you assuage my concerns? Why exactly is drwiggl3s the optimal lynch over Sinensis in this situation? Are they not equally good? Do you not think that this wiggl3s wagon even more quickly than Sinensis (which I would argue was not quick at all since I've been prodding it from start of D1)? | ||
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Would you guys agree with this assessment? | ||
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The idea behind finding scum in middle of wagons is that they aren't as likely to start cases as townies are, but also want to be seen blending in with town. A decent heuristic that is strengthened by the fact that VE hasn't been taking hard stances. Wanting to lynch prplhz means nothing - it comes near end of day where switches are dangerous and unlikely, and there is no accountability (since he won't hang, you won't get the flak from a mislynch flip). His prplhz vote doesn't make any sense either. The only post made was when prplhz blamed people for making him out himself as cop. Well from a scum perspective it doesn't really make sense to draw attention back onto yourself when everyone else has somewhat accepted your claim. And for someone so keen on perspectives how he can neglect it against prplhz yet turn around and use the same reasoning against Sinensis, the inconsisteny reveals that there is an agenda behind his posts. MrZentor also good lynch. His involvement with the Sinensis lynch makes no sense, especially with his post when he decries town switching over to drwiggl3s. Never did he actually contribute to the lynch (other then saying "hey this post is weird", but anyone can do that) or push for it. Also has ungrounded confidence in his reads. | ||
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We have what, 3 blue claims? From my perspective all I have to do is pick out 3 scum from 7 players and evaluate the blue claims. And I think all three claims are looking legit. I was toying with the idea that it wouldn't make sense from balance, but that would be pointless because 3 blues could be sensible depending on scum roles, of which the only we could know of beside lynching & flipping is an rber. I was and very much am for a MrZentor lynch as well. ##Vote: MrZentor | ||
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I (slOosh), the main pusher for the Sinensis lynch, has decided he is looking townish even in light of everything I said D1. Clearly there is reason behind this. I'm not there to piggyback off anymore. | ||
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On July 09 2012 06:35 slOosh wrote: His prplhz vote doesn't make any sense either. The only post made was when prplhz blamed people for making him out himself as cop. Well from a scum perspective it doesn't really make sense to draw attention back onto yourself when everyone else has somewhat accepted your claim. And for someone so keen on perspectives how he can neglect it against prplhz yet turn around and use the same reasoning against Sinensis, the inconsisteny reveals that there is an agenda behind his posts. VE could you address this? Also, you keep calling prplhz' cop claim as BS. Yet you choose to pursue a Sinensis lynch. Why? Lastly, you haven't asked me a single question as to why I think Sinensis isn't worth lynching anymore, when I was the main advocate for a Sinensis lynch on D1. Am I not worth convincing, or at least discussing with? | ||
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On July 10 2012 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I assume it's because you think I'm scum and I'm all about it slOosh. If I'm wrong go ahead and fill me in, but you're reading my change in style as scummy caution and there's nothing I can do about that. I don't know what I think about prplhz because I've been ignoring everything he posts. I thought he was scum earlier and when I laid off because his posting picked up he immediately called me scum. So frankly I have no idea how to read the guy without bias and as such I'm leaving his fate to town. I'll admit that discrediting him needlessly is probably anti-town, but honestly there's nothing I can do about that. And my last question concerning Sinensis? | ||
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On July 10 2012 04:52 Dangeresque77 wrote: SlOosh what do you think about a mrzentor, Ve scum team? Connections need flips. I see them suspicious as individuals. Thus I could see them in a scum team but it's not good practice to pursue that kind of scum hunting until we get some confirmed flips. | ||
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On July 10 2012 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote: To be frank I'm not discussing with anyone slOosh, it's nothing personal. Ask marv how much I've interacted with him this game. So you've given up on the game? Why? | ||
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On July 09 2012 06:35 slOosh wrote: This is before D2 starts.Yea I'm in the same boat as Zeph and prplhz. I'd lynch VE tomorrow. ... MrZentor also good lynch. On July 09 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote: Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today. ##Vote VisceraEyes On July 10 2012 00:29 slOosh wrote: I was and very much am for a MrZentor lynch as well. ##Vote: MrZentor On that note I don't trust prplhz for his 3rd subtle accusation against me. Really, that last line On July 10 2012 19:52 prplhz wrote: Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor? is totally unnecessary for the post he made. It's casting doubt on me, its a misinterpretation (I never called him as such, the vote switch happened much earlier in the day following marv's pressure on MrZentor), and defends MrZentor as an "easy" target. For someone who overly uses the phrases "I don't really know what to think", "This really seems", "I think you might be" concerning MrZentor's alignment, blatantly calling him an easy target is a huge contradiction. Based on this alone, I speculate a prplhz, VE, MrZentor team with MrZentor as rber based on how the day has been playing out and the lynch direction has been going. However we lynch one scum at a time. I'm comfortable with lynching all three as individuals, and even more so as a team. I also want to consolidate. I'll be trusting marv's and Zephirdd's judgements here. My preference however goes to MrZentor based on how they are keen to redirect the lynch. ##Unvote MrZentor ##Vote VisceraEyes (I'll be checking up online all day so consider my vote good on whoever). | ||
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On July 11 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote: slOosh, could you address the point made by prplhz/myself about Zentor's aggressiveness towards me? It boils down to "hey scum won't be that scummy would they?" and the fact that you are asking that question shows that the strategy of "be scummy" a viable one. Remove the MrZentor tag off - would you lynch this guy? I would. You could argue that he plays like scum as town, but then if you make that consession how would you ever know if he is scum? If MrZentor rolls scum is town auto lose? Honestly scum are in a situation where they have little to none thread control. 1) They were complacent D1 because we were lynching townies, and a drastic change in thread direction will surely be noted 2) We have a confirmed town that they have to go through, so manipulation is more difficult So what are they going to do when one of their own gets caught? All they can do is bus for the town cred, or do subtle misdirections (such as bring up another lynch candidate). I didn't get any bad vibes from Zephirdd and so aside from us three I don't think scum have clout to do anything but pull out such cards as "passive aggressiveness" and "too scummy to be scum". Or you could go the other way around. Three players must be scum, and conversely the remaining players must be town. Who looks towniest and whatever you have leftover is scum. Bluelightz is a ? for me, I think Zeph and danger are town, you are confirmed and therefore scum must be in the leftovers. If I had to pick out a town out of those 4, it wouldn't be MrZentor. | ||
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You say that I'm not even considering the possibility that you might be town. Sure I did. It's just when you never really contributed, did some scummy stuff and with the pool of possible scum is so small, it's not that hard to come to such a conclusion. Plus this is really roundabout discussion. Are you trying to figure out if I'm scum or are you trying to gather information to prove to town that I am scum? Because you've done everything except actually call me scum. | ||
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On July 11 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: CHRIST if I'm up against a slOosh/marv scumteam I'm literally going to cry. Like, literally guys. Haha, yea VE ok we are done here. See you post game. | ||
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Striking parallel between this and Pick Your Poison, where Radfield pushed for Toad. I know I said I'd be fine with lynching both, but not if you are starting to think VE could be town, because that will hurt us so much late game. As I said, I'll be here to deadline. | ||
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On June 30 2012 04:54 GMarshal wrote: Broken Mind (Mafia Godfather/Strongarm) You are the remnants of what was once a dreamer, but whose experiences in reality have broken your mind and your will to live. Now you just want everything to end, and so you have cast your lot with the Aberrations. Besides possessing the normal aberration traits, you are a completely normal person, making the psychologist think you are Not Aberrant. However, you have the remnants of your rage, rattling around somewhere in your brain. During any night in the game, you may become a full fledged Aberration, (returning Aberrant to the psychologist for the rest of the game, including that night) and infuse a single kp with extra power, allowing it to count as 2kp for the purpose of piercing any protection. Please read. Please please read. I'm sick of people not reading. | ||
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On June 30 2012 04:54 GMarshal wrote: During any night in the game, you may become a full fledged Aberration, (returning Aberrant to the psychologist for the rest of the game, including that night) and infuse a single kp with extra power, allowing it to count as 2kp for the purpose of piercing any protection. | ||
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On July 11 2012 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote: My D1 switch was based on a couple of things. First of all, at the time I was reading slOosh as town, and a town slOosh is someone I can get behind. When I saw his support of the DrWiggles wagon, and after rereading the guy myself, I was totally fine with him as a lurker lynch since no one seemed interested in lynching prplhz or Sinensis (my preferred lynches at the time). On July 08 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay. ##Unvote ##Vote Drwiggl3s On July 08 2012 07:53 slOosh wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:drwiggl3s Gotchya. Think critically. Sit tight and watch a lying scum flip. | ||
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Whatever. Lynching me is better than a no-lynch. Either switch back or I'm self-voting so town can get their act together. | ||
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No doubt my credibility is shot harder than prplhz. What can I do? ah .... It's lylo tomorrow anyways so I can't even make a proper will ... ... i'll come back later. | ||
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I'll be reviewing everything from the top. Make the best use of these 24 hours marv, because what you say will determine what I am able to do tomorrow (unless you survive in which case that is simply a 48 hr extension). | ||
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I'm still town and will be doing my all to convince you and whoever the rest of town is that I am town, I care about town, and you shouldn't lynch me. I'll be building my cases starting now until the library closes. | ||
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Scum attributes: apathy, subtle accusations Point 1: The cop claim prplhz goofs around D1 and ends up claiming cop: As discussed prior, his claim is really off. Why would he do it? You can trust town motivated marv and NSH who both expressed concern about the claim. The thing that most surprised me was how he claimed cop. He snuck it into a giant wall of text as a little aside, one that I actually missed till marv freaked out about it: On July 07 2012 22:45 prplhz wrote: He just outted himself as cop and rendered his blue power useless. Not only that, but the "not that it matters" just shows apathy to town. It is unreasonable to treat a power role so flippantly and claiming so casually, as it makes it so much easier for mafia to deal with it. Apathy.Yea it's pretty hard to summon the energy for anything when five of the biggest town voices in this game are on your back for a couple of one liners. I can't really explain them away with huge town motivation 'cause there weren't much, I was in a bad mood so I did a trolly early game to cheer myself up and then this happened. I can't see another feasible lynch today other than Dangeresque77 and I don' really see him as scum and day1 is often a crap shoot so why not shoot me for being crap. VisceraEyes himself starts the game out with a dumb vote just to get things started. Dumb shit happens in the first few pages all the time. He should really know this because he did it himself but he doesn't. He also seems the the most "bandwagonny" of the people on me, he doesn't contribute with new arguments and it doesn't seem like he understands the case on me at all even though he talks a lot. He called out for me several times and then when I appear he doesn't actually have anything for me. That seems like he is pretty happy with the lynch and he just wants to look good when it's over. Stuff like: So because I have five posts of one line, I should be a lot more townie than a guy with one post of four lines? What is this argument? I still don't get why he says that NoSmurfHere is wherebugsgo when he saw the *yawn* thing too and that looks really Aceish. On the other hand it seems like Ace is one of wherebugsgo's favorite players on this forum and maybe he unconsciously adopted some of his mannerisms. I would really rather wait until everybody's been around and talked this through but I'm not sure how much I'm going to be around tonight. I think this lynch is going to be pretty bad 'cause it was a bandwagon off of 5 lines and there's not a lot to get from it when I flip so I'm just going to go ahead and claim cop. Not that it matters for the lynch or anything but maybe some of you want to take it into your considerations. Sorry for sucking so much. Some days are better than others and sometimes you have a shitty day1 and then you get lynched. I haven't been lynched on day1 since forever (actually, I don't think I've ever been lynched on day1, a night1 shot is the best I can do I think) because people know that I always put in some effort. I have like 100 games and no activity modkills. Point 2: Subtle accusations against me Multiple times does prplhz say that I did something suspicious, but never has he actually considered me as scum (build a case, engage in conversation with me, discuss me with anyone else). On July 07 2012 18:11 prplhz wrote: I don't get how slOosh can actually think that I was sure that marvellosity was scum. He even expresses doubt at this himself but then he just ignores that. First of all it was like two pages into the game. Who the hell has a clear read then? When did anybody ever post something that wasn't gauging reactions in the first pages of a game? Second, if I was sure that he was scum then it would be because there were some really good arguments and then I would have told you guys. Instead slOosh is using this to call me scum when he should really know better. I didn't do anything? Well that's right, I wasn't here. Yesterday was pretty crappy for me which also contributed to my thread presence. I saw that I got a PM and then I thought "cool, I know how to start this game, I'll do setup speculation" but first I voted slOosh because I thought it was funny that our filters would be identical (single vote, no explanation) but his would be scummy and mine wouldn't (his had no reason and mine has the clear reason that his didn't) and I like to try to cheer myself up when I am in a bad mood. I was kind of trying to cheer myself up. Then I went to setup page and saw that this was a semi-open setup and I had thought it was an open setup (I thought it was Radfield's setup from Newbie Mini Mafia XX) and I don't really know why but that just put me in a crappier mood (not that I prefer open setups to semi-open setups, just that I couldn't do setup speculation like I had planned to). Then I just voted marvellosity to gauge his reaction and to argue with someone ('cause I like a good argument and I was trying to cheer myself up) but he didn't react spontaneously like I had wanted him to (like the "lol, ok" in MSM). Then marvellosity and VisceraEyes had a couple of thoughtful posts in no way similar to what they did in MSM and I posted "not this again........" as a joke, again, to cheer myself up. Then people posted full cases on me but I didn't really feel like responding to any of it (and I don't think that I really can) because I was in a bad mood and then I just pointed out that Dangeresque77 was being way more scummy than I was and I left the thread. I'm going to be back in a few hours but I'm not going to be around for deadline. This is his post when he is defending and explaining himself. What I've quoted is only part of the full post. In his "defense" post, he spends more time subtly accusing me rather than actually explaining himself. You can clearly see he has some problems with my play. What does he do with it? On July 09 2012 20:35 prplhz wrote: I don't really know about this Sinensis case. It seems to me like he just wrote a "that" instead of an "if" and it's not really a big deal. slOosh also made assumptions about scum night action here: Implying that I had a check (when it's pretty logical that scum don't want me checking anybody). Another instance in which he subtly accuses me. He clearly has a problem with what I said, and insinuates that I'm illogical in the post. Yet he never pursues a lynch on me. Calls me suspicious but never treats me as scum. I'll quote myself here - addressing his third subtle accusation post. On July 11 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote: Again he points out things he finds suspicious with me, but never moves to discuss it or get a better read. This is apathy - town care about lynching scum. He clearly has had several issues with me thus far, but he never does anything with it. Furthermore, there is inherent contradiction as two times (posts that come between the accusations) does he say I look townish. On that note I don't trust prplhz for his 3rd subtle accusation against me. Really, that last line is totally unnecessary for the post he made. It's casting doubt on me, its a misinterpretation (I never called him as such, the vote switch happened much earlier in the day following marv's pressure on MrZentor), and defends MrZentor as an "easy" target. For someone who overly uses the phrases "I don't really know what to think", "This really seems", "I think you might be" concerning MrZentor's alignment, blatantly calling him an easy target is a huge contradiction. On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote: I like slOosh a better though after seeing rereading his filter. On July 09 2012 22:46 prplhz wrote: I think slOosh looks townie enough. I read his filter yesterday and nothing really tinkled my senses since then. This is extreme hedging. Calls me townish, points out suspicious things in me. Calls me townish, points out something suspicious. Allows him to play to town sentiment - he doesn't want to draw attention to himself by pushing me, but wants an avenue in which he is able to cast suspicion and doubt on me, and eventually set up the mislynch. Point 3: More apathy, origin of VE case. This is related to my MrZentor scum read. So far what has prplhz accomplished this game? He claimed cop D1 because of weird play on his own part. D2 he calls VE scummy. If you reread how D2 unfolds (you should since we mislynched), how does it play out? He posts a case on VE and checks out. He comes back to defend himself a bit, and then as a MrZentor lynch starts up, he comes in with On July 10 2012 05:43 prplhz wrote: A couple of posts later he gets the lynch back onto VE and checks out again. He started the lynch, but seems to have desire to discuss, or push his thoughts. Reminds me of what Mattchew did in Movie Mini. Starts it but has no involvement in it - only involvement is to redirect away from MrZentor lynch. I've addressed how he does it is also suspicious (he is hesitant but also confident in the same post that he calls zentor town, which betrays a pushing of agenda and mismatch in action and words).Can someone tell why zentor is scum? All I saw was marvellosity threatening zentor and apparently now he's all the rave. Conclusion: prplhz doesn't care about pursuing reads (the only one he had is the one on VE) but only in throwing subtle accusations at me, he isn't transparent (hasn't given a single opinion or mention of half the player list), only thing he does is redirect the D2 lynch from MrZentor to VE, frivolous cop claim. Library closing, so this will be it until tomorrow unless I decide to stay up late. | ||
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On July 11 2012 12:32 slOosh wrote: I've cooled off. Your frustration and desire to lynch me is understandable. I'm still town and will be doing my all to convince you and whoever the rest of town is that I am town, I care about town, and you shouldn't lynch me. I'll be building my cases starting now until the library closes. Prplhz was just at the forefront of my mind according to the reread of D2. I'll be posting on MrZentor next. The last one is tricky and I'm still deciding between a couple players. | ||
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Scum attributes: Inconsistency, pushing agendas This comes in what I initially thought was just failure to read / forgetfulness, but upon review I think that they are slips and conclusions which are arrived at with reasoning that doesn't match. Considerable are his views on the blues. On July 10 2012 00:29 Zephirdd wrote: HOWEVER! Not everything was lost! The fact that prplhz claimed to be roleblocked means that we can assume a few things. 1- D77 is indeed a jailer. 2- prplhz can't be scum if Sinensis is town. A scum prplhz would just claim to not be roleblocked, which would cast suspicion on both D77 and Sinensis. The second point puts forth the premise: prplhz cannot be scum if Sinensis is town. Problems in reasoning: Sinensis' alignment has no bearing on what a scum prplhz would do. If a scum prplhz didn't claim roleblock, he would have to produce a read. But even if he saw that a scum prplhz claiming not roleblocked as the stronger play, it shouldn't rule out Sinensis as scum. In fact, it would actually cast doubt on D77 the claimed jailor on the grounds of game balance. Sinensis has nothing to do with claiming roleblock or not. On July 10 2012 01:22 Zephirdd wrote: There are a few problems here on the Sinensis lynch. The voters are MrZentor, VE and Bluelightz. Unconfirmed players are: - Sloosh - MrZentor - VE - Bluelightz Confirmed players are: - marvellosity, Vigilante shot MsZontar - prplhz, cop roleblocked** - Dangeresque77, jailer* - Sinensis** - Zephirdd, cuz it's MOTHAFUCKIN ME LOL Now a few notes should be taken here. Sinensis never slipped like I thought he did. However, the supposed "slip" would never be said if he was scum - because he would know prplhz had been roleblocked, instead of denying it. prplhz can't be scum either. If he was scum, his first move today would be to say "not rb'd" and claim some fake read on someone. Since prplhz confirmed a second roleblock(mine was first), that also confirms Dangeresque77's jailer claim as legit. All of this confirms these three players as town in my opinion. From the four remaining players, the one I have a town read is sloosh. I said previously that I had a town read on BL, but thinking about it, it was a read from when we were talking about policy lynch and useless stuff. He may not be town at all. Also, the issue here is that these three - MrZentor, VE and BL - are avoiding the Zentor or the VE lynches and opting for the Sinensis lynch. How did Sinensis go into the confirmed pool? He considers the slip as null, but is using it to call him confirmed. There is an agenda here. Call Sinensis town. Why? So he can call prplhz town too based on weak reasoning. Also so he gets to push MrZentor, VE and BL. He critiques them for being on a Sinensis lynch, even though his reasoning for why Sinensis must be town is tenuous. His followup posts when marv addresses the flaws in thinking show that he wants to call prplhz town, but again on weak reasoning. It's basically "scum prplhz should have done this, and he didn't, therefore he is town". This has heavy, heavy contrast to his D1 assessment of him where he basically calls him scum every other post. Also note how fast he is to defend prplhz after the cop claim. Couple of other things which show faulty reasoning that doesn't fit conclusions. On July 10 2012 00:34 Zephirdd wrote: The issue I have with MrZentor lynch is... erm... MrZentor, what was your relation to MsZontar? Is she your wife, girlfriend, sister, friend, roommate...? Opposes a MrZentor lynch without a legitimate reason. This comes when his lynch actually starts building and rolling on D2. Wants to say "we shouldn't lynch MrZentor". Uses the reason "his relation with MsZontar is important"? On July 10 2012 09:44 Zephirdd wrote: MrZentor lynch feels like a mistake because he always plays scummy no matter the game. I mean, he gets mislynched all time right? What makes me think mrzentor is scum is how much he is still pushing Sinensis, under the basis that his first post was too careful. I did a recheck on Sinensis games(I actually did it!), and he usually has a less structured opening post, or talks about his job times. That is not a 100% occurrence though, and the other posts he made seems to fit his meta much better. Also, Sinensis going "prplhz wasn't roleblocked" and then prplhz claims to be roleblocked kinda clears him imo. A scum sinensis would know for sure prplhz had been roleblocked, and wouldn't mention the opposite in a post. And scummier candidates are on sinensis. That's an issue in a game where 9 players live and 5 is needed to lynch. 3 of them are scum. 3 of the scummiest were on Sin(VE switched). 2 confirmed are on Zentor. 1 claimed cop is on VE. Wants to call MrZentor scum. Reason: "He didn't read Sinensis' old games and come to the same conclusion that I did". On July 11 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote: VE has been quite active lately. Most of us have just been looking down to him. But what was the reasoning to switch out of Zentor? This feels like a mistake? That's bullshit. I hate to say this marv, but we've been following your gut too hard. We've been lazy. If VE flips town, everyone is going to be demoralized and we're going to LYLO the next day. We have 6 votes on VE. I will switch into Zentor and leave to you decide since I'll probably not be around here at deadline(tuesday party time hooray). With 5 votes, a lynch is doable. If I recall correctly, the general sentiment on the thread is that both of them are scum. As long as there is not a no-lynch, we're fine, right? Seriously, I invite everyone to re-read Zentor's filter and reconsider it, as well as reading the last few posts by VE. ##unvote ##vote MrZentor Brings the MrZentor lynch option back again when the VE lynch is pretty much set. Additionally, discredits marv for no reason. Haunting clairvoyance (read as mafia know the town list), that VE is town. On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote: Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is. Also If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us. He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post: On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote: And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo! Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda. 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I don't know how crap / reasonable I look because honestly I haven't lived past N1 for a long time, nor have I been the focus of VE's whatever you call it. Please just give my cases due consideration - that's all. | ||
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Stop. Ask yourself. Is it because the D2 lynch went sour and you want someone to blame? Then why me? What specifically did I do something to make the VE lynch happen that could only be scummy? The only thing that Zeph is critiquing me for is a "faulty" case (it's not), and the "I won't vote for MrZentor", which I'll address first. On July 11 2012 20:39 Zephirdd wrote: You're hesitant to vote Zentor = You're scum because you said you would vote any of the players. You're hesitant to vote MrZentor AND you're scum -> MrZentor is scum(because why would you be ok with voting VE but not voting MrZentor when you said both were fine?) sloosh's reasoning to not lynching Zentor is terrible. Because he feels I'm wavering my read on VE, but he never considers that there is MrZentor as a fucking lynch candidate that he himself said he would vote no problem. At this point I think VE is scum, or at least someone I want to lynch regardless. Now that I've cooled off I realize that at the time I was pissed off at VE for his passive aggressiveness and really poor play, as well as how he kept throwing crap at me without anything substantial that I just wanted him dead. I've never seen an emotional aspect to mafia until yesterday. I got emotionally involved. I said earlier in the day I would be ok with lynching both. By the end of the day VE had sufficiently pissed me off, that I wanted to kill him. People were expressing how they didn't want to kill him. I was frustrated how town was chickening themselves out of every single lynch on the "oh man the meta doesn't fit I'm nervous". But, in my situation, why wouldn't I prefer the VE lynch? In my situation, where I thought both were scum, and that VE would be incredibly harder to lynch and if we let him go now then how are we going to lynch him later since this town obviously has a problem with lynching people, why wouldn't I prefer the VE lynch? | ||
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I think if you truly spend time to read my case you will find that Zeph doesn't actually address many my points, and when he nitpicks for something to defend, he turns it around against me saying that I am fabricating things. I'm not making stuff up, read my case. On July 11 2012 20:39 Zephirdd wrote: Finally: I invite anyone to read the first and second passage of sloosh's. This is what he said: "He takes an argument and calls me and mrzentor scum. sure. But then he calls me and mrzentor scum!" And then he says its the opposite?! REALLY? That's blatantly forging of arguments in order to push a terrible, terrible case. This is not sloosh. This is an aberrant. Sloosh is a really, really good town player perfectly capable of making simple associations. He is avoiding the issue that I bring up. In the first quote, he says MrZentor is scum and by association slOosh must be scum too. In the second, he says that slOosh is scum, and therefore by association, MrZentor is scum too. There is inconsistency - he wants to call us both scum but is using non-existent reasoning to push it. Notice how he doesn't even address it - instead he mocks my case and my play this game. Sloosh has been pushing a terrible, forged case in order to cast suspicion on a townie at LYLO. Sloosh is Aberrant. Tomorrow we will be lynching Sloosh, and the day after we will lynch MrZentor. By that time, it will be 2v1 and I'm pretty sure the remaining town(I doubt I'll live 'till then) will be able to find the last scum. Here he isn't really thinking ahead, he is just making stuff up. We have 8 players, 5 town 3 scum. Suppose that I am scum. Night shot -> 4 town 3 scum. Lynch me -> 4 town 2 scum. Night shot 3 town 2 scum. Note that the night shots have to be on marv (confirmed town) and D77 (jailor who would protect). Lynch Zentor 3 town 1 scum. Shoot Zeph? Not prplhz the claimed and in his eyes confirmed cop? You can also note the same exact contradiction. If he is ok with lynching both me and MrZentor, why must I go first? From his perspective, he sees me as scummy for preferring a VE lynch over MrZentor, however he does the exact same thing and has no problem with it. Zeph isn't confused / naively misunderstanding connections. He is pushing scum agenda. Marv you mentioned the miller thing: On July 01 2012 13:20 Zephirdd wrote: Okay then, My absolutely flawless plan of drawing a shot night 1 fucking worked. Basically, I went full apeshit on the miller stuff, focusing so much on "protecting our blues" and "we need to keep the possible blue pool as large as possible!" into "holy shit I'm a vanilla and I was shot n1"  Is that logic correct, rastaban? It was to draw a shot N1. What is he doing this game? He is using it to defend prphlz, drawing tenuous relations, setting up mislynches without proper reason: he is pushing scum agenda. p.s. I appeal to marv the most since he seems to be the only town person actively reading this game. Anyone else please state concerns / questions to me. Because ironically, everyone else went AWOL after the VE lynch. | ||
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Point is this: if I am acting out of place, how is it pushing scum agenda? I've shown through my case that Zeph is pushing an agenda and you've yet to discuss the validity of my cases. How does my interactions with Sinensis show I'm scum? Am I scum for somehow introducing the drwiggl3s alternative lynch? Am I scum for being the first to call him stubborn town? Am I scum when people just say "let's lynch Sinensis" without asking me my opinions? Am I scum for assuming that D1 was a goose chase and that therefore Sinensis was an easy lynch? Am I scum because VE, VE, decided to pull his emotional stuff on me? Am I scum because whilst the MrZentor lynch was rolling along, prplhz comes in and 3 people (you yourself, zeph and D77) switch onto VE before me, and somehow I get all the blame for VE lynch? Am I scum for saying a couple of "off" posts even though you don't know how it's pushing scum agenda? There is no case against me. I'll say it again: There is no case against me. There is only confusion from the VE mislynch and some notion that I'm not performing like a town slOosh would, and scum manipulation of it. Liar game was a PM game. I've died N1 4 out of the last 5 games. I've never had VE wreck my name like that. Of course I won't look exactly like your perceived notions. I'm not scum. | ||
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prplhz is continuing to play apathetically and is using the "I'll do it tomorrow if I'm alive" as an illogical excuse (why would scum team that rb'ed you first day decide to shoot you over confirmed town marv?) to not do anything. He doesn't actually give his opinion. He is just saying random crap without reasoning or justification. | ||
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On July 12 2012 06:49 Zephirdd wrote: Why are you asking this? Do you have any problem with hunting multiple scum at once? I seriously see no point in this question. I'm trying to find all of them at once because I have a list of town reads, and the remaining have to be scum. Because it's easily manipulative by scum. You list all three and unless you nail them all they can easily misdirect to the townie mislynch. I'm doing it because I have to prove my towniness and my lynch will end the game. Why are you acting like you have to find all of them now? | ||
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On July 12 2012 06:50 Zephirdd wrote: You are smarter than that sloosh. You know better than anyone else that Bluelightz is like THE guy to have at lylo. Having him bus someone is just perfect. This, or I'm wrong. As I said, he is the one player I'm uncertain about. You are avoiding the point. On D2 I hopped on the MrZentor wagon as marv pushed / pressured. I wasn't the one to switch it onto VE. Prplhz introduced it. Three people hopped on before me. Are you saying that I was really fortuitous that the whole thing was town induced? | ||
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On July 12 2012 06:58 Sinensis wrote: Prplhz is 1 + 3 people hopping on before you = 4 + you = 5 On day 2 it took 5 people to lynch. And you think this makes you look innocent? I'm saying that calling me scum by associative tell with MrZentor is ridiculous from Zephirdd's perspective. | ||
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On July 12 2012 07:06 prplhz wrote: This is not apathetic. I've had a busy day and I don't feel like writing huge cases, my reads are what I just wrote and I'll flesh them out tomorrow if I am alive. If I flip them you have them for what decision you make tomorrow. Why wouldn't scum hit a cop? They can't kill marvellosity because there is a jailkeeper (I don't think that strongarm kills through jailkeeping and we don't even know if scum has a godfather or that he didn't use strongarm yet) and they can't roleblock him without allowing me to make a check. You are just making wild assumptions about what scum will do or will not do and trying to incriminate me like that and that's one of the reason I think that you are scum. Why aren't you afraid of getting shot? You just pointed out the entire scum team didn't you? Of course strongarm kills through jailkeeping - what the heck is the point of it then? I'm not making wild assumptions, I'm making quite sensible ones. Me getting shot is great because it gives weight to my cases, eliminates a very possible mislynch, and we get to keep mod confirmed town marv. I'm telling you guys, prplhz is making up an excuse not to flesh out his reads. | ||
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On June 30 2012 04:54 GMarshal wrote: Police Officer (Jailkeeper) Caught in this malestorm of dreams and who knows what else, you are in quite a precarious situation. This doesn't amuse you at all, but you have no choice, you must face the dream-realm and cast it back. Because of your position you may arrest someone each night, keeping them from going out and performing actions as well as stopping the first kp aimed at them that night. Your targets will know they were roleblocked, but neither of you will be notified of a successful save. Factional KP cannot be roleblocked. You may not target yourself Prplhz isn't even checking the OP at this point (read. scum making up stuff to cover up other stuff) Sinensis, Bluelightz and D77 you gotta get in here and start figuring this out. Scum influence will be strongest tomorrow. | ||
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Medic do not claim. Scum used delay. Lynch me fine - we can still win this if we have a medic / vet. | ||
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We start off with D77's jailor claim. It's not too surprising that we let this slide, because it would mean either really gutsy play from scum rber, or co-operation from two scum. I initially thought he was timid blue who was sheeping, but his posting and conclusions are just as messed up as Zeph's. I'll show you how he is playing newb card to push scum agenda. On July 09 2012 11:32 Dangeresque77 wrote: more importantly we have 2 confirmed town atm. ill save some time and make it three im police officer i jailed zephirdd ill include my reasoning as well im basically a medic with a slight drawback(maybe not if used on a mafia member). i think zeph is town and thought he was a reasonable target for mafia, so jailing him seemed to be prudent He calls prplhz confirmed town. Already. This is when many voices doubted the validity of the cop claim (including confirmed towns NSH and VE [yes this is a jab at you marv, just because you flip town doesn't mean you are infallible]). You would think a sheeping town would heed such things and consider "hey maybe I should be careful in assessing this claim too!". Well, he doesn't. Just prior he posts On July 09 2012 11:20 Dangeresque77 wrote: 3 town dead.......not looking good for the home team. lets see what did the mafia stand to gain from that kill you would think that the mafia would have killed prplhz because of his cop claim thoughts? prplhz, marvel what do you guys think? And after some discussion he carefully evaluates and decides that prplhz is indeed cop! and that revealing himself as the jailor is the best thing to do! (end sarcasm) Later on he does the same thing. On July 12 2012 11:35 Dangeresque77 wrote: ill probably die tonight anyway, but heres who i think is scum SlOosh. mrzentor. bluelightz heres my case on sloosh sloosh- basically i agree with most of the points brought up by zeph and marv the only people he has been accusing in the last 2 pages of his filter are zephrid, and prphlz both of these players are thought of as confirmed town. a scum would of course want to cast suspicion on two members who have a good rep Two problems here. He calls prplhz thought of as confirmed town, when just before marv, the actual confirmed town posted that he suspects prplhz. He also calls zephirdd confirmed town, when there is no such sentiment. For a sheeping newb, you would think that he would follow the confirmed town the hardest. Well he doesn't - he uses bits and pieces to push his scum agenda. The rest of my hunches come through thorough readings of prphlz's and Zephirdd's filters (which I did when building their cases). The way they push MrZentor so openly and willingly makes no sense. Also, they used the delay power (why not when you can get misled town marv to do all your dirty work for you) and are now trying to out possible medics to truly secure their victory. On July 12 2012 11:23 Zephirdd wrote: Wait, I just realized that if there is a medic, the jailer and the medic could have combined their heals and held a 2kp hit. Wait, I just realized that if there is indeed a medic in the game, prplhz may actually be scum(balance). Holy shit. The worst is that we can't confirm if we're at MYLO or LYLO now :S On July 12 2012 11:39 Dangeresque77 wrote: well i was typing that before the day post so... anyways. this doesn't make any sense they should've killed me. or they are just storing a shot or like zeph said. there could be a medic and we both healed the same person. which would mean that they had a strong arm. if they didnt then i would be dead atm i think they are storing the shot though On July 12 2012 11:46 Dangeresque77 wrote: i jailed marvel which brings the quesion. is there a medic here? I'm not making this stuff up. You see it from both Zephirdd (he does it a bit more subtly) and D77. They want any medics to claim. How does having medic claim help us at all? How does knowing scum tried to shoot or used delay help us at all? Why is outing the medic so important, especially in a game where we already have had 2 stupid blue claims? From Zeph's perspective, the only medic possible would come from his scum suspects, and he thinks its worth outing them to be able to re-evaluate prplhz's claim on balance. From D77's perspective, a medic would mean town has 4 blue roles. A little more excusable since this could be newb mistake and he doesn't understand balance, but if he thinks they are storing the shot, how would a knowing we have medic help find scum? How does knowing mafia may have attempted a strongarm shot have any bearing on the game? Scum agenda here. I'm not making this up. prplhz, Zephirdd, Dangeresque77. Good job. | ||
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Medic please don't claim and think about the situation (why people are asking you to claim all of a sudden). | ||
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1: It did take balls to make the play. But it took balls to get prplhz out of the stupid situation he dug himself into. 2: Who could be medic? I dunno, and I don't want to know. The question leads to outing the medic, no thanks. 3: I've considered it. I've also considered how you are defending D77 on his behalf when he can easily explain himself. You've also neglected to tell us how outing the medic is worth "clearing up confusion". In anycase I'm scum and everything I say is BS to you so no need to get so heated. | ||
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On July 12 2012 13:30 Dangeresque77 wrote: SlOosh I never ask for a medic to claim his role. I was trying to get people to recognize the possibility that they didn't delay You're whole case on me Is based off of me saying that the majority of people think that zeph and prplhz are town And that I asked for medic claim(which I did not) On July 12 2012 11:46 Dangeresque77 wrote: i jailed marvel which brings the quesion. is there a medic here? I am not sure how this isn't asking medic to claim. How else could the question be answered? Scum rolecop gonna out the medic? In any case I laud you for actually reading (at least pieces of) my case. As I've said, if you don't think Zeph nor prphlz are scum it probably doesn't make much sense. | ||
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On July 12 2012 23:47 marvellosity wrote: I am going to do slOosh the courtesy of reading his posts and cases. Stuff like this doesn't help: The quotes below are not the only time I've indicated the claim makes me uncomfortable, I just found them quickly Conversely, can you find voices that were accepting and "oh this cop claim looks legit" My point isn't who was expressing concerns, but rather concerns were expressed and yet "newb D77" chose to ignore all and believe in cop claim anyhow. | ||
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On July 12 2012 09:14 marvellosity wrote: slOosh makes a big post here about the two guys he finds scummiest day 1. He cements his read on Sinensis in this post here. But come towards the end of the day, NSH voices doubts about the Sinensis lynch. Having had 2 leading candidates for the day 1 lynch, slOosh simply abandons them without further ado. He agrees on wiggles without explanation here, but WITHOUT A VOTE, and only after 3 people had voted wiggles does he join them. He gives no real explanation for why he's happy to vote wiggles over his 2 preferred candidates, only repeating others in that "he doesn't seem to be playing like his town self". He doesn't even say why HE'S not voting Sinensis, merely why others aren't. Then there's this post where he claims to have 'buyer's remorse'. Trying to look good but ever since wiggles was brought up, slOosh did nothing to push his main 2 reads. Basically what I'm getting at is this. slOosh had 2 people he said he was happy to lynch on day 1, prplhz and Sinensis (especially). But when push came to shove and the wiggles wagon started, he jumped over to wiggles without barely a peep about why this was a good idea, and he never pushed his 2 preferred lynches. Which brings us on to So I swapped because marv and NSH expressed concerns on the lynch. I respect both as players and I saw them townish. Thus when they brought up drwiggl3s and expressed more confidence in it, I trusted them and went through with it. By then my read on drwiggl3s was null (could be either). So I trusted my town reads and was ok with it, and when it seemed like we were switching over I did. My post describing him was a response to this post - yes it is just objective commentary. I realize now I wasn't transparent in why I did that. Buyer's remorse is actually the point where I suspected NSH of pushing scum counterlynch, how much resistance there was to start the Sinensis wagon. After the lynch and Sinensis couple of posts, as well as reflecting on how day played out, I bought into idea that he was extremely stubborn town once again (cf. SoaF mafia where at lylo he doesn't even try co-operating with town). I'm assuming I didn't push prplhz because I thought he could have been town at that point - honestly I can't recall that far back. It also looks like I started targeting people who suddenly were much vocal about pushing this Sinensis wagon but didn't do anything to help me D1. Yes, I wasn't transparent as to why I felt Sinensis was town. But I straight up called him town and no one addressed it On July 08 2012 13:54 slOosh wrote: Well if Sinensis is stubborn town, and prplhz is weirdo town, then D1 was wild goose chase, and therefore scum probably played lazy / lurkeresque style, making sure to fit in but not really needing to put in any effort. Thereby you could probably find them among the pile of players who didn't really push town a certain direction. Would you guys agree with this assessment? I also clearly expressed my concerns on people pushing the Sinensis wagon (why weren't they there to help me D1???) On July 10 2012 00:30 slOosh wrote: Yo MrZentor, I (slOosh), the main pusher for the Sinensis lynch, has decided he is looking townish even in light of everything I said D1. Clearly there is reason behind this. I'm not there to piggyback off anymore. From my perspective this totally looks like Sinensis is another mislynch being set up, as people who were totally absent D1 pop up and decide this is a good wagon to push. I clearly show interest in finding out Read the context: VE is totally uncooperative and passive aggressive. I said I trusted your judgements - that was before VE totally pissed me off. I said it before - I was somewhat blinded by my emotions. I just wanted him dead. Is wanting VE dead alignment telling? I'm not trying to demean his play or anything, I'm just saying that what he did pissed me off and I wanted him dead. With people showing hesitation, I thought along these lines "both are scum but this town doesn't have the guts to lynch VE. I might get shot tomorrow (probably still confident in my town-showing ability at this point) and then no one will lynch VE". I referred to PYPoison: On June 05 2012 05:48 Radfield wrote: Toad was scum who was appealing to emotion. risk.nuke was null lurker. Toad is deliberately skewing things and trying to misdirect. He is scum. I also agree that risk.nuke is probably scum too, and see no redeeming features to his play. That being said, I feel Toad is a much larger threat than risk.nuke, as he is far more able to wiggle out of a lynch if I die. risk is going no where however. That last bit where I missed the drwiggl3s filter: yes that was unintentionally scummy. By then I wanted VE dead dead dead never want to play with him again if he flips town dead, don't care what his alignment is he is playing like crap dead dead dead. So yea I pulled a scum move and didn't double check everything. Also mentioned is little things - this is probably my not-too-serious on the fly posts. Question once again is "how does it push scum agenda"? I feel like my proposed scum team is solid - there is stuff on them as individuals, there is connections between them that show a unified scum agenda. Maybe I'm being full of myself again when I say this but I feel like you vastly overestimate my ability to play mafia (especially as mafia since it would be my second time rolling not town) - in the sense that making cohesive stuff up like this would be extremely difficult to do from mafia perspective but I'm somehow pulling it off. (Unless I'm full of it again and my cases aren't really that awesome, but meh I'm still learning). | ||
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On July 13 2012 00:14 slOosh wrote: Conversely, can you find voices that were accepting and "oh this cop claim looks legit" My point isn't who was expressing concerns, but rather concerns were expressed and yet "newb D77" chose to ignore all and believe in cop claim anyhow. Maybe I misunderstood this part but if you are upset that I didn't include you in the list it's because I'm making said jab at you. Unnecessarily personal? Sorry if it was. But I'm clearly biased against VE so when you use town-flipped VE's info at me I can't really say "why would you value what he has said this game" because it turns into a discussion of how well did VE play which we can't do objectively, nor does it lead to catching scum. | ||
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On July 13 2012 01:04 MrZentor wrote: This is for Zeph, because he can't be bothered to read my responses to his questions. + Show Spoiler + It's likely that one of you and Sloosh is scum. Right now, Sloosh is doing a pretty good job of making me think you're the scum, but I'm looking forward to your case on me, so I can be more certain of the accuracy of my decision. Don't worry, now I know you're the scum and Sloosh is innocent. Yea high five for catching logical errors where scum pigeonhole the lynch into a pool so that if one flips town they lynch the other! | ||
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On July 13 2012 01:03 marvellosity wrote: Not all posts push an agenda, slOosh. You keep asking "how does this push a scum agenda". Well, freaking out at the end of day 2 and getting me to lynch a powerful townie, that's a pretty scummy agenda (again, others were expressing doubts, but you refused to even entertain the notion he was town). You've played/obsed enough games with VE in. What he did in this game was nothing compared to the spam/crap/whatever he can put into a thread. I don't believe your massive overreaction to it was genuine. Again, I will take the time later to read your cases. That's fine - I can't really blame you if my emotions seem artificial to you, nor can I argue you to see that they were. I considered during the day that he could be town - I tried to engage in dialogue with him starting hereish. Sure I've Obsed a bunch, but I never really understood what it meant until I've actually experienced it. On July 13 2012 01:05 marvellosity wrote: You were making a jab at me for not doubting prplhz's claim, when I clearly had on several occasions I was making a jab at you because you were using VE's death will against me, and from my perspective I know it's wrong. Once again, apologies - its frustration leaking through. | ||
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I'll also take this opportunity once again to point out another ~18 hours that prplhz has done nothing. ##Vote: prplhz Hey Zentor let's kill this guy. | ||
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prphlz plays cop like that because he is most likely scums. D77 looks like he is dodging my medic question. This guy can't be newb town. If you won't be swayed off my lynch, can we at least talk about my cases? I'm curious to see what people think of them, apart from the people they are directed to. Starting with D77 since it seems the most straightforward of my cases / "newb" players tend to be easier to read. | ||
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Or is the ballsyness of the situation too much balls to be considered as plausible? (prplhz scum D77 scum and they lie about prplhz roleblock and have D77 pretend to be jailor, Zeph's alignment irrelevant to plan but treatment of Zeph still strange.) | ||
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On July 13 2012 10:02 Dangeresque77 wrote: So your case on me is that I'm digging your medic question? I answere it like 2 pages ago I've read your case on me. The only points you bring up Is that i think prplhz and zeph are town and that "I was trying to get a medic to claim" wich I wasn't I'll say it again so u can understand. I was trying to ask people their thought on the possibility of a medic and me heinz the same person to block the strongarm. You once again acknowledge my points but choose to focus on the "easier" one, and on that you still haven't explained how the whole possibility of a medic helps us kill scum. I'll lay it out for everyone: From scum perspective, they have 1kp. Perhaps they have 2kp from strongarm. If D77 is town jailor, they will know that a marv prot is certain. Therefore, unless they had 2kp from strongarm, they wouldn't make the shot on marv - it just doesn't make sense. It is totally sensible to shoot D77 - I mean, no one suspects him, everyone has basically accepted that he is jailor. If they did have 2kp, maybe they shot marv, and since we had an additional medic prot, he didn't die. However, this still doesn't explain why knowing that it is this situation rather than scum using delay helps us. What is to gain from outing the medic? Will it not result in more surefire shots from the scum team? How does it help town at all to know the possible presence of a strongarm which has already been used up? D77 isn't asking people thoughts on possibilities, he is straight up asking medic to claim. On July 12 2012 11:46 Dangeresque77 wrote: i jailed marvel which brings the quesion. is there a medic here? This isn't asking about the possibility of a medic - he is inviting medics to claim. | ||
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On July 13 2012 23:36 marvellosity wrote: 1) it confirms danger 2) it confirms the medic basically Two less people to consider for lynch at lylo not bad odds who gives a shit if the medic is outed at this point? It doesn't since you don't know if they used delay. | ||
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Hey MrZentor we gotta combine votes. Do you wanna come over to vote prplhz, or do you want me to go over to Zeph? | ||
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##Unvote: prplhz ##Vote: Zeph | ||
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fin. | ||
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Thank you GMarshal and HiroPro for hosting, and fellow players for playing. Guess I'm swinging back away from tunneling again. | ||
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