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Sinensis
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Sinensis
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On July 04 2012 01:41 marvellosity wrote: yeah, and I have 3000+ posts and I've had one TL warning for making a post "+1" You brag about your post count as if it makes you king vet and then in the same sentence say you were warned for posting "+1." Nice.  | ||
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Sinensis
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I am disappointed in sloosh for the random vote, would rather he at least said something about why. Maybe he'll come back later and clear it up; he would be wise to in my opinion. | ||
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sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal? Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL." I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation. As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around. ##vote: Zephirdd | ||
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Sinensis
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I understand being criticized for lurking, but being "too mechanical?" For my posts being well thought out, really? There are actually people bashing me for that? | ||
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On July 07 2012 12:58 Zephirdd wrote: Alright, there are a couple of wrong things here. 1. Calls sloosh out, yet considers me the scummiest target 2. Says prplhz has gotten too much negative attention. Can you tell me it is possible to give him a positive trait to his play? No you can't. Because there is NO positive trait to his play so far. He's gotten a lot of negative attention because that's what his play warrants - and you agree with this on your very last sentence. In fact, his lynch has actually gotten an awfully lot of resistance, more than I would like. 3. Reasoning for me being scum is bullshit and does not warrant a vote. I posted an awful lot for day 1 this game, so if you want to point out specific points in my play, do it and I'll counter anything you have. I've stated things with certainty, because that's what I believe to be true. Stating things as FACTS means being certain of yourself. Maybe they are wrong later, who cares. What's important is that I'm decisive in what I say, and I should be held accountable to that later. Also, I love how it took you 39mins to arrive at the conclusion that I am scum, when you are behind 10 pages. Will want to hear more from you. 1. Well, at least you can read. 2. I stand by what I said. 3. "Your reason is bullshit because it's bullshit." Good job. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 13:05 Zephirdd wrote: That comes from the assumption that a town player has no need to be careful, as long as he is playing pro-town. Scum normally wants to play really carefully. That's the feeling your first post gave. For the record, the difference of that and prplhz's play is that on prplhz case, he attempted to create havoc in the thread. And complained about it. And thrown it again. And later didn't even defend himself, just said "lulz listen to this guy maaan". It's not being pro-town, it's being disruptive. Yeah, and I don't think he'd post like that as mafia. I don't think anyone would. I don't know how else you want me to explain it to you but I believe what I believe and if you take a look at my history in TL games, it's usually pretty hard to change my mind once I've made it up. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 13:12 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, I posted an awfully lot. Point me what is scummy specifically, and I'll point out why it is not scummy. Additionally, I added reasoning for stating things with certainty. That alone should show why it's a bad argument to vote me for that. Also, I just realized I kinda read your third paragraph wrongly. I thought you were complaining that I was posting with certainty, but you're complaining that I am mostly stating "facts" instead of "speculation". Guess what, speculating stuff is terrible =_= Oh I think you are mafia oh maybe you are town! No. I look at what people post, and define scum or town according to what they do. Then, I state a FACT and use it to prove that someone is SCUM. In fact, my spreadsheet right now only has facts, and these facts help me determine an alignment. Playing under speculations is a bad way to play imo. Won't even bother rebutting then :| Speculating stuff is terrible? What else can town do? Maybe you can explain that instead of begging me for more content to pick apart that'll get you out of the voting line. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 13:25 Zephirdd wrote: Yeah... about that... I guess I went overeager there. "Terrible" is a strong word. What I mean: I don't speculate, I use facts and determine alignment of people with these. Facts, determined in the way people are playing the game(...do I have to talk about prplhz again?). Speculating is, however, useful when talking about things like night actions and stuff. However, we are scumhunting now, or should be. In the day. daaay. Right now, we got plenty of things to work with. Baiting discussion - like me talking about the dicussion of policy lynches on the beginning, or sloosh voting wiggl3s - has already been done. You don't speculate how a person would do something as X or Y. You look at what he did and ask yourself: "is this pro-town? is there a scum agenda to it?". prplhz's actions are "no" and "yes" for these respectively. Him going MIA just confirms the scum agenda: he is hiding and trying to avoid connections between him and others. Do you understand that a town player on D1 doesn't have facts, at all? Not a single one of them? Because if you did, I do not think you would be saying for the second time that you don't speculate and are forming opinions based on facts. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 13:37 Zephirdd wrote: Oh don't we? I guess I'll repeat myself. Again. With prplhz. FACT 1 > prplhz just came out from Movie Star Mini Mafia FACT 2 > He saw what a post like THIS can do. wherebugsgo explains it on his post-game analysis posts, this kind of posting only creates havoc and is terrible for a good town atmosphere. FACT 3 He posted THIS. Fun fact: he did it against the same player VE did on MSMM. Mind you, this was so fucking early in the game, and nothing marv said warranted that baseless accusation. FACT 4 He complains that marv is ignoring him here. And does the same baseless accusation again. FACT 5 He complains that marv and VE started an exchange similar to the one on MSMM here. FACT 6 Right after marv and VE stop their exchange and didn't create a havoc in the thread, he posts the same kind of disruptive post here. FACT 7 After me and marv point out the previous facts, his whole defense is And after that, he never posts again. Are you telling me that, given this information, you can infer that prplhz is town? Because I certainly cannot. I knew you'd go quote a bunch of stuff unrelated to what we were talking about and ennumerate them as bolded FACTS. What happened to Won't even bother rebutting then :| ? Why did you go back to talking about prplhz when before you couldn't even bother? My vote isn't changing any time soon at this rate. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 13:42 slOosh wrote: Stop it. Sinensis, what are you trying to accomplish with this train of discussion? More than you, apparently. | ||
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On July 07 2012 13:44 slOosh wrote: Oh, and also if you could clarify your post against me that would be great. Because I'm not really sure how to answer the question "Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time?". Are you calling me scummy or ... ? It's suspicion. In my first post I said "sloosh would be wise to clarify his votes." You didn't do that adequately. You just switched your vote to me, and then your suspicion to prplhz. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 13:49 slOosh wrote: Try reading my filter - I explain each vote switch. I also explain the reason for my delay. Then give me your updated thoughts. You switched your lynch candidate 3 times in 4 posts, and one of those posts was an edit. My thoughts were up to date a page ago. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 13:59 slOosh wrote: So how is that suspicious? Why is that exclusively a scum thing to do? It's suspicious because like I said before, you are switching your vote to people that are already priority lynch targets. That's suspicious. You give few, if any, reasons of your own for your voted. You are "jumping on bandwagons." You are "going with the flow." You said I was "mechanical." I don't agree with that observation. I am not a very careful poster at all; take a look at my last games if you don't believe me. I have already said why I don't agree with the observation that my play has been mechanical. I have already said why I would not choose prplhz as a day 1 lynch. | ||
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On July 07 2012 14:24 MrZentor wrote: Facts need speculation to be useful. Speculation needs facts to be useful. I haven't had time to carefully read the cases yet, but currently it seems you two are frustrated because your different scumhunting methods make it difficult for you to explain your opinions and the reasons behind them to each other. Because you don't understand the motives behind each other's actions, it's easy to see them as scummy. I'm too tired to know if this post is ridiculously idiotic. Tell me in the morning, will you? This is not a cop movie starring Jackie Chan or Chris Tucker. This is not one of us is the by the book and the other unconventional and wreckless.We were not forced to work together on assignment. | ||
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Sinensis
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On July 07 2012 16:45 prplhz wrote: I don't even understand how you expect me to defend myself against these accusations. They're literally people listing what I did in the thread and then saying that I am scum because of it. But in your previous game someone posted "SCUM" and that was kind of similar to what you did this game, even though someone does that in every game, AND that person turned out to be mafia. You saw the "facts" post. I don't need to reread it for you. | ||
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Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion. That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia. | ||
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On July 08 2012 13:10 Dangeresque77 wrote: Hmmm NSH really pushed for the lunch on wiggles. Might want to look at him too No, I don't think so. I think if NSH wanted as easy mislynch, like you probably did, he would have just voted me... like you did. | ||
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On July 08 2012 15:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever I wanted to lynch prplhz. You're crazy. I find Sinensis' assessment fairly scummy, and I'll give bonus points to anyone who can tell me why before I finish typing it up myself. Is it because you're part of it? Did I get it right? | ||
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On July 08 2012 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote: As a townie, it occurs to me that anyone switching off of me would get townie points from me if the target flips town in the lynch in question. Why? Because it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective to change from one townie to another and risk coming under scrutiny for late-switching. It makes much more sense, from a townie perspective, to assume that those who for whatever reason tried to find an alternative candidate and avoid a no-lynch scenario while switching off a known townie (myself) are town. Fundamentally, it should make no sense from a scum perspective to switch late onto another townie, if Sinensis were town. That's why I think he's viewing the game from a different perspective - from a scum perspective. People are usually scrutinized for late switching because it is scummy. You are trying to argue that because late switching is considered scummy, it isn't really scummy? Because scum don't act scummy, because that might draw attention to them? I think you got yourself confused. | ||
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Sinensis
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Do you see what I did there. Your post is full of the stuff. What's with that? | ||
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I have played many games with Bluelightz and I believe he is town this game and making one of the best efforts I've seen from him, I would be pretty shocked if he was mafia. I am glad vig shot Zontar I was going to have some issues with her posting today if she were still alive. I do not know if I still believe purplhz is cop, it's very unusual that he was not killed or at the very least role blocked, but I want to wait to see if he has something to say today. I do not really have thoughts about anyone else at this stage. | ||
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On July 09 2012 20:58 marvellosity wrote: Sinensis: could you tell me any games you played as both scum and town please I don't believe I've ever been scum in a TL game. Someone said I have been scum once earlier, but I don't remember that so maybe they know something I don't. Also marv I changed my mind about zeph because he's saying things I agree with, simple as that. I said before I was going to vote for VE in my last post, I'm still going to do that because of the things zeph said that I agree with, also the mess on page 30. About zentor's "case" on me: I don't feel like I have to respond because all he has done is copy pasted what other people wrote day 1; things the original authors don't even consider to be an issue anymore. If the people who made the cases against me to begin with don't believe those cases anymore, why should anyone else? If anything I think him tunneling me for those reasons, that aren't his, is extremely suspicious. I chose VE as the better target today because VE's posting is less focused and seems desperate; giving up. The fact that he insists that his own play is horrible and scummy isn't helping me. Bluelightz wrote this: On July 09 2012 14:43 Bluelightz wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Alright, voting Sinensis + a case so he can respond and not bitch about people voting him for no reason Case First, what I find suspicious is that he threw a bunch of stuff to make his vote look more "big" and stuff, On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote: Okay, I'm caught up: Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL." I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation. ##vote: Zephirdd 1. As you can see, without the bunch of stuff its very small, also when you look at his reasons, he never explains why facts are scummy, he just says that mafia tend to do it and yada yada yada On July 08 2012 04:48 Sinensis wrote: I could probably swing this vote back onto someone else if I switched but I'm happy to be where I'm at. I'm going to leave it on Zephirdd till the end of the day and see if people are still mad about it. I still think he's scum but I'm the only one that would think that right now, so yeah, not budging. 2. He's being openly hostile and not helping to consolidate the vote which might've led to a no-lynch which is terrible because we lose valuable information (but it is a plus though that he stuck to his own thoughts then sheeping and vote switching like many people did on day 1). On July 08 2012 13:03 Sinensis wrote: Wow I thought I was going to be thrown under the bus for sticking to my gut (as per usual), and you guys go and kill someone completely different on nothing but gut and weak meta? Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion. That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia. 3. Then he points out X,Y, and Z, there's probably scum in between, this is just bullshit because he doesnt explain if X,Y, and Z is scummy (reasonless crap). Those are just my thoughts but feel free to add on, and ##Vote: Sinensis 1. In my post before this, I explained that I had missed a lot of the early action. I thought it would be beneficial to give my thoughts on important things that happened. All you did was cross out everything I said that... I don't know why you did that... 2. You just accused me of NOT helping consolidate the vote on myself? Why would I do that? Are people even allowed to vote for themselves? 3. I gave a reason, you just missed it. It's in the exact same post you quoted, one line above what you bolded. I said that they were suspicious because all three bandwagoned from wiggles, an innocent person and easy target, to me, another innocent person and easy target. | ||
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On July 10 2012 12:00 Zephirdd wrote: Confirmation, he has never been scum on TL. I actually looked it up earlier. While you're here and knowing all about me maybe you could confirm that I am also frequently stubborn, often to a fault. | ||
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On July 10 2012 12:02 Bluelightz wrote: @Sinensis 1. You voted but you had to post 3 pargraphs of fluff first that's why I crossed it out, but that is a valid reason 2. On the drwiggl3s lynch not on yourself Sinensis, you just stuck up and that might've resulted in a no-lynch. 3. Bro, you didn't explain why switching was scummy, you just said it was scummy = reasonless. 1. IT. WASN'T. FLUFF. It was stuff YOU YOURSELF posted about earlier in the thread. Not all of that post had to do with the vote. I was CONSOLIDATING. 2. I didn't think wiggles was scum. I thought Zeph was scum. That's why I voted zeph, not wiggles. 3. Three people changing from one innocent bandwagoned target to another innocent target is scummy to me. Maybe I'm stupid for believe that. Maybe you should explain to me why I'm stupid for believing that if you have a problem with it. | ||
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On July 10 2012 12:14 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote: No, your not stupid for believing that, you just didn't explain why you believed in that,(you) Finely explained the other points already too. WHO ARE YOU WHAT IS GOING ON | ||
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On July 10 2012 12:19 MrZentor wrote: I said that if I said why I think you're scum I would just be copying other people. -.- What about the fact that the people you copied don't believe what they wrote anymore? Doesn't that mean you think I'm scum for literally zero reason? | ||
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On July 10 2012 12:44 MrZentor wrote: Believe it or not, I formed my ideas off of your posts, and any copying of other people is coincidence. Really? Really? That's a terrible reason. -.- No matter how hard you try to get me to vote you I'm not going to. VE is my target right now. No quantity of emoticons or crap posts can change my mind, at least until VE changes it for me. | ||
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On July 10 2012 12:19 MrZentor wrote: I said that if I said why I think you're scum I would just be copying other people. -.- On July 10 2012 12:44 MrZentor wrote: Believe it or not, I formed my ideas off of your posts, and any copying of other people is coincidence. | ||
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On July 10 2012 13:29 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, there are only a few things that define your scumminess, so when I try to make a case against you, I unintentionally "copy" their case. Understand? Every person's case you "unintentially copy" isn't voting for me. The person who lead every subsequent case on me thinks I'm 80% town. Or is "their" only Bluelightz, who I answered to? | ||
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On July 10 2012 13:39 MrZentor wrote: I'm extremely confident you're scum. And you're leading in votes. | ||
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On July 11 2012 10:55 marvellosity wrote: BL I'm trying to work out if it could just be a mistake I am voting for you tomorrow if you don't vote today. | ||
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On July 11 2012 11:08 Bluelightz wrote: SLOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 Hey were you still planning on doing this? On July 11 2012 10:50 Bluelightz wrote: alrght. die scum. ##Unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: slOosh I hate to be sheeping but I will form my own reasons later. | ||
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On July 12 2012 04:26 MrZentor wrote: It's likely that one of you and Sloosh is scum. Right now, Sloosh is doing a pretty good job of making me think you're the scum, but I'm looking forward to your case on me, so I can be more certain of the accuracy of my decision. A lot of people seem to think sloosh is scum. I'm not going to disagree with them. I don't believe you went this entire game being unsuspicious of Zeph, only to read sloosh's surprise case against him and be convinced in any way. | ||
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On July 12 2012 06:52 slOosh wrote: You are avoiding the point. On D2 I hopped on the MrZentor wagon as marv pushed / pressured. I wasn't the one to switch it onto VE. Prplhz introduced it. Three people hopped on before me. Are you saying that I was really fortuitous that the whole thing was town induced? Prplhz is 1 + 3 people hopping on before you = 4 + you = 5 On day 2 it took 5 people to lynch. And you think this makes you look innocent? | ||
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##vote: MrZentor | ||
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And I have no idea who mafia are. Zentor would still be my guess if we were voting again. | ||
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I knew you'd go quote a bunch of stuff unrelated to what we were talking about and ennumerate them as bolded FACTS. What happened to ? Why did you go back to talking about prplhz when before you couldn't even bother? My vote isn't changing any time soon at this rate. Oh, Bluelightz you did a really good job as scum. So did prplhz. Grats to scum team in general. | ||
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On July 15 2012 12:40 Zephirdd wrote: That post was fucking ridiculous Sinensis. Don't you fucking dare to come at me with a fucking "my favorite post this entire game". You objectively ignored everything I said just to piss me off. And prplhz was fucking scum and I was fucking right. Analyse the situation before pulling a fucking conspiracy "most-vocal-player-in-town-is-scum" bullshit. Yes, I am still mad. And I bothered rebutting because that's what a town player should do. You don't need to explain yourself. Despite acting dumb I know what you were trying to explain. I knew it at the time. | ||
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On July 15 2012 12:53 Zephirdd wrote: :< I am less mad now. don't do that again >,<' I always try to make a splash day 1. And I hope you stay less mad because you were the most coherent person all game and I'll be in trouble if we go into another game and you've got a vendetta against me. | ||
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