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slOosh
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I think millers should auto claim (cf. WBG's Emergency Mini Mafia) I think masons should auto claim (cf. WBG's 1st C9++) I didn't like Zentor's play (cf. Hesmyrr's SoaF) but I don't know how he currently is so I'll leave it at that. I think Snarfs is suspicious for taking prplhz too seriously. | ||
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Right now my main suspicion is Snarfs. I brought it up before about his question of prplhz. I believe it reveals a(n intentional) lack of comprehension. Prplhz never said Zentor was stifling discussion. He made it pretty clear that he just didn't like playing with him. I find Snarf's particular way of questioning "off". I know it's no 3 point case, but it's what I have right now. His follow up post doesn't inspire anything either - he calls out Zephirdd for weak contributions yet he himself is guilty of the same thing thus far. Contrast that to his clearly excited pre-game chatter. Prob I don't understand your concern of me about my stance on the marv thing. I think the Marv - VE back and forth is really messy and would rather not have a thread full of that. I'm not advocating a shut down of discussion - only a shut down of needless spam / one liners. Consolidation always helps town. Spam never does. I think your little case on Marv is decent - I never said I thought you think he is town. | ||
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1 Snarfs 2 Zephirdd 3 Probulous 4 VisceraEyes 5 Mattchew 6 marvellosity 7 Shraft 8 von Klaust II 9 risk.nuke 10 slOosh 11 rastaban 12 MrZentor 13 prplhz | ||
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Good catch Prob - I took prplhz's intent rather than actual wording and so Snarf's question isn't that bad. I'm placing him slightly scummier than the non-posters for his (thus far) hypocritical Zephirdd comment. Prplhz looks like someone who has had a really bad experience with Zentor in a previous game. I too have experienced it when he destroyed a cycle's worth of discussion which ended with his lynch (which I strongarmed and he flipped medic). I'm placing him as null / very slightly town for this (solely because it would require a higher level of scum skill to pull off the emotion or whatever you want to call it). | ||
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On June 22 2012 12:55 MrZentor wrote: I'm not going to fabricate reads to try to convince you I'm town; I'll probably provide some analysis tomorrow when there's more to analyze. First clause is sensible. The second is nonsense. There is content to analyze - even though it is slow and not as "juicy" as you may like, we have to start somewhere, ideally not with a blind townie mislynch. We will hold you to a higher standard of posting, not only for your sake but for town (because no doubt scum may now use this bs "there is nothing to talk about so I just won't talk" excuse to lurk their hearts out). Rest assured, I will kill you all without remorse, so step up. | ||
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MrZentor: You missed Prob's post here, where he points it out and I respond accordingly here. Everyone should back off Marv for a while because as town it is difficult to produce proper analysis / reads when all your energies are expended on defending yourself. D1 will be disastrous if he ends up town as scum could easily blend in and start provoking him. Just watch what he does with his "free time" and based on that we can deem him worthy of D1 lynch or not. Also notice that if he is scum, he can easily use his defense as "contribution", while not actually helping us find scum. So back off and scrutinize what he does this game. I really liked Shraft's first post on catching rastaban's fluff, and I'm surprised no one else bothered to comment on it. There is general neutral fluff and allusions to games that don't really help us find scum here. Post in question: On June 22 2012 16:46 rastaban wrote: Just caught up on what is the "haps", here are my thoughts. First, I agree with the Millers claim day one, and policy lynching all Millers after today. In a game where they are self aware it is a huge boon for town. The benefits far out way the negative of less people with possible blue roles. First and most importantly it guarantees our checks. Detectives know any red checks from non-mafia get lynched, since sanity isn't an issue in this game. Any Mafia will always claim miller if checked and we don't force a day 1 reveal. It will cause a lot of confusion, it is best to eliminate this by forcing day one claims. It also forces Mafia's hand, if they want to claim they have to do it now before they are in too much water. This is hard for mafia to do, they don't want to be scrutinized and that is why they claim miller as a last resort. While it is argued that Millers make it easier to snipe blues it also makes our blues more effective. Look at Bang Bang where I, as a doctor, pushed strongly for a miller claim night one. Second, the focus of Marv makes me think of karma after seeing him do it to Gonzaw in our last game together. We need to be careful with tunneling though, when you push someone so hard day1, they will often come across as scum no matter what since the only content you have is them trying to defend themselves against accusations. He could be scum but I just want to say that we need to be cautious, as I feel the case against him is a bit biased. Now his day 1 "meta" is to spam 1 liners so I personally wouldn't mind him getting lynched if there isn't a better candidate but I feel like there is too much discussion on him this early in our day. Remember we have 48 hours, half that time hasn't even passed yet so I don't like the band wagoning on Marv so quickly. That said I have a hard time getting anything from his filter right now. Some people analyze best when their quarry is under pressure but for me that introduces too many variables so I like to read posts where they aren't defending themselves. So marv would you mind answering the original question ( as leading as it may be) about what you feel are your tells, and second who do you feel is most likely scum? Says we have too much discussion on Marv. Concludes his first post by asking marv more questions. | ||
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Something in the back of my mind is still clicking everytime I read Snarfs. Can you cool cats reread his last post and tell me your thoughts? It would be great to get some discussion particularly from marv, prplhz and risk.nuke. And as for now here will be my preliminary vote to hold me accountable. ##Vote: Snarfs | ||
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On June 23 2012 04:47 Zephirdd wrote: All I read from his last post is "there is no difference between Zentor and risk.nuke". The only way this would be a scum tell if risk was scum. idk, snarfs looks null to me. Well, the most glaring scum tell so far(for me) is rastaban, but if you think about it he's just playing as his town meta(based on bang bang) and all he's done is a bad case, not a scummy case. No, that's not quite it. Something about his approach seems off. I'll clarify after giving people some opportunity to contribute on this point. Aside from that, compare his filter to mine, taking note of timestamps. Notice something? | ||
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Could you explain to me why rastaban is specifically scummy rather than a poor town player? | ||
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Anyway, here are my Snarf On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: I don't think we should lynch marv today. He's been attacked the entire day and hasn't had a chance to do anything but react to other people's pressure. This is a terrible reason not to lynch someone. You don't lynch someone only if there is a scummier candidate or if he looks town. Snarf's reasoning why we shouldn't lynch marv is that he has been busy defending himself. He didn't say "there isn't enough here to lynch marv" - he said "I don't think we should lynch marv today", and this is before even the D1 halfway mark. The reason and the conclusion does not match. And when things like that don't match it indicates anti-town agenda. People I'd be fine lynching today, at this point: rastaban, MrZentor. I think rastaban is more likely scum so that's where my vote is going. ##Vote rastaban Snarfs fricken doctored his own quotes in the post above me. The heck make sure you see this. On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: I agree, this post is very scummy. Also notice how the general feeling of the second paragraph is that we should back off marv a bit so that we can get some better reads and not waste the entire 48 hours, but then the third paragraph is him coming right back to marv and pushing him? Now, granted he does appear to be trying to ask more "nicely", but why not try focusing on someone else if you feel too much time is being wasted on marv? He isn't considering that rastaban could be bad town or scum - he makes it very clear that he originally thought he was scum, and now that I've called him out on why, he backtracks and says he is debating, when it is clear that his words say otherwise. Again, a mismatch of words and actions. On June 22 2012 15:23 Snarfs wrote: I'm actually interested in hearing marv explain exactly what his little shitstorm has revealed: Apparently it's given him some useful information and I wouldn't mind hearing what exactly he thinks that is. For now, I'll reserve judgement. He says here he will reserve judgement. However, this post precedes the quote that I used in point one. Again, his actions and words misalign. He reserves judgement on the basis of he wants to hear what marv's reads / conclusions from the scrap he had were. That's fine. Yet when he says we shouldn't lynch marv, it isn't because marv's findings were legit / useful. It's because he has been "under attack", and portrays marv as a victim. Contradictions. On top of that there's some blatant plagiarism, which is a cheap way to look like you are contributing without actually doing so. On June 23 2012 00:00 slOosh wrote: I really liked Shraft's first post on catching rastaban's fluff, and I'm surprised no one else bothered to comment on it. There is general neutral fluff and allusions to games that don't really help us find scum here. Post in question: Says we have too much discussion on Marv. Concludes his first post by asking marv more questions. On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: I agree, this post is very scummy. Also notice how the general feeling of the second paragraph is that we should back off marv a bit so that we can get some better reads and not waste the entire 48 hours, but then the third paragraph is him coming right back to marv and pushing him? Now, granted he does appear to be trying to ask more "nicely", but why not try focusing on someone else if you feel too much time is being wasted on marv? Yea, I'm suspicious of Snarfs. | ||
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I think the fact that we have to use meta to clear someone's name is problematic in itself. Either they shape up or we lynch them. Excusing someone because their town play is inherently scummy is totally abusable by scum and frees them from proper responsibility / accountability. I'm down for risk / zentor / the other lurkers who I can't even remember. As for rastaban, was leaning slightly town but will review in lieu of my Snarfs case not being as cohesive as I thought it was. | ||
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##Unvote: Snarfs ##Vote: MrZentor Snarfs, I don't see how you can deem that the bolded strikethrough as irrelevant when referring to your thoughts on rastaban. On June 23 2012 02:36 Snarfs wrote: Pre-Edit: Noticed rastaban has posted a "case" on risk.nuke after slOosh also commented on his post. I really don't like rastaban's case as it is quite exaggerated. It feels to me as it was a quick case he made as he noticed he was getting flak for not commenting on anyone besides marv. risk.nuke's actions have been quite clear as marv and shraft explained here: [click] How is it irrelevant? | ||
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So quickly, your thoughts on rastaban and Snarfs. And also Probulous. If you put in effort I'll help take the lynch off you. Snarfs I'm still waiting; just because the bandwagon on MrZentor is rolling doesn't mean we all take a reprieve. | ||
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I see your point on prplhz. It starts off as a policy lynch, a fall back in case we don't find anything. On June 22 2012 07:41 prplhz wrote: Okay whatever the fuck. I joined this game because I thought zentor had outed by meh. zentor is the default lynch for today because he's an unpleasant person just to have around. In case we don't find anything better then he should die just because of how destructive he is when he's town. I played with it once and I don't want to play with it again. ##Vote: MrZentor On June 22 2012 07:52 prplhz wrote: Okay here's a case I just made up: prplhz: Lets policy lynch zentor because he's the one I have had the worst experience playing with! zentor: What, I'm not scum! Well no one ever said that you were so why are you already denying it? How about that? Anyway, I am suggesting a policy lynch on zentor unless we find something better and I don't think that that's a bad idea at all, actually it's a pretty good idea. Who would you policy lynch VisceraEyes? Just someone random? I'm sure we can have one of the lovely hosts pick out a random number for us (so we don't have to deal with all that derp about how you pick an actually random person that we had in iGrok's game). On June 23 2012 07:51 prplhz wrote: zentor is a better lynch than any of you because his short filter is full of things that will give you a headache, and because according to his previous games, that's not likely to change on day2. He is doing objectively scummy things such as making up bullshit excuses for not contributing that contradict each other, and stalling while promising that he'll do something later. His latest contribution was my filter in a spoiler. We might as well get rid of him early on unless we have a better lead. Do you really think that either of you is a better lynch than zentor? Overall MrZentor has indeed made minimal / poor contributions. I see no problem there when prplhz pushes forth his MrZentor lynch on the basis that he isn't really doing anything. What the question is, however, is "is prplhz actively looking for a better read?" or is he just settling for MrZentor, which is reflective of an attitude that doesn't care ~> anti-town. Looking at his filter, I really don't see him pursuing other reads. He always comes back to focus on MrZentor. Note that last post comes an hour before he builds his case on MrZentor, yet he still uses that reasoning - "unless we have a better lead". I'd expect something like "he is a good lead" - we aren't defaulting to offing the worst player (irrespective of performance this game) right now; MrZentor has not shown much improvement this game at all, yet prplhz is still acting like we are lynching him because he is a bad player in general, not a player playing bad ~> scummy. Could I get some thoughts on Probulous as well? I don't like how he jumped on the MrZentor wagon. | ||
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vonKlaust: in your own words, why should we lynch MrZentor? | ||
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I think the rastaban choice is a better case here. Even though his last posts says he posted his thoughts on MrZentor, there is nothing in his filter that really indicates his thoughts. His posts are padded with fluff. His vote switch seems unnatural. ##Unvote: MrZentor ##Vote: rastaban | ||
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On June 23 2012 03:08 rastaban wrote: This game I am trying something different since I don't worry about having a gun, I am going to push my scum reads and try and save my town reads. If I get lynched for that, at least town gets a trail votes to follow that led up to it. On June 23 2012 23:23 rastaban wrote: I disagree about risk, he defended himself but didn't actually contribute yet. However I doubt I am going to get enough people to vote for him today. The reason I wanted to wait on on mr.Z untill tomorrow was because he stayed in, even after subbing out. now it isn't deffinate by any leas but it increases the likelyhood he got a blue or red role. I didn't mention this earlier because if he wasn't scum then it increased his chance of getting hit tonight. However I think his vote on marv after claiming both were probably town is pretty incriminating. He isn't doing what he said he would do - hold him accountable. He pushes risk saying that he is scummy, yet waits for risk to defend himself. When he does, all he doesn't comment on whether the defense is valid or not, but dismisses the whole thing and says risk still hasn't contributed. How is that pushing scum reads? He clearly still has one, but isn't pushing it. He is merely going with the flow and sentiment of town. Compare his play here to his play in Bang Bang, in which he is confident in what he says and isn't afraid to put out his thoughts. In this game there is more fluff and more references to games that don't really prove anything. Moreso, suspicions of him have been ignored several times, which indicates resistance. Vote rastaban. | ||
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On June 23 2012 22:28 Probulous wrote: Hi guys, I am back for a little while before I hit the hay. I won't be up before the deadline as it is 7am on a Sunday morning so this is my last post until the deadline. ##Vote MrZentor He doesn't mention the other person who has two votes already (Rastaban) and just plonks down his vote on his earlier town read with no explanation. This makes no sense from a townie POV. If he wanted to waste his vote he would put it on someone who has 0 chance of getting lynched but instead he puts it on the highest vote getter who isn't himself. He wants marvel lynched but provides no reasoning. Worse he doesn't want Rastaban lynched but provides no reasoning for that either. Why did he vote for his town read over all the other possible candidates? Maybe it was a joke vote. Well as of now he hasn't moved it and given his lack of reasoning for anything I cannot assume he is joking. Zentor is playing the fool and hoping to slide by with minimum effort. He can play better than this and is putting in no effort. I am more confident of a Zentor mafia flip than a Rastaban flip and hence my vote. I also think there is a possibility they are both scum. Goodnight and Goodluck | ||
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On June 24 2012 02:40 vonKlaust II wrote: Right now though, my best bet would be Mr.Z I think. I don't really know about Rasta yet, but I'll check his filter out for myself and get back with my thoughts. But for now: ##Unvote ##Vote: MrZentor Holding you accountable. | ||
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Zentor has Mattchew, vonKlaust II, Zephirdd on him. Right now its 8-5 Zentor / rasta. With one switch it will be 7-6 and one more makes it 6-7. No risk of no-lynch. | ||
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On June 23 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote: Mmm ... maybe I'm a bit rusty and my reading is a bit off. I'll review Snarfs on my own, but it seems like he won't be a lynch candidate today. Right now a lurker lynch is looking very good. Marv and VE regularly have been going at each others throats, and unless it is LI all over again, there is a good chance that they are both town. It's pretty destructive to town atmosphere so scum probably will be lazy / complacent, i.e. we can probably find some scum in that group. I was in LI when I saw the nastiest slugfest in the form of VE & Toad, but I knew that this probably wasn't a repeat since it is a mini and the cost / benefits is pretty high for a mini game to pull off the same stunt. There were too many people lurking / chilling to make me think that it could be one scum planning on going at a slugfest. I suspected maybe one was SK maybe but seriously the way that the discussion was going it was too messy to take out anything worthwhile, which is why I ignored that and went after other stuff. Now the personal take away lesson for me is how to make people listen to what I have to say / making sure my case doesn't get buried as collateral damage of said slugfest. Nothing on your part, I don't think. I liked your posting since you were contributing and stuff, and I guess I got sidetracked somehow when I got null response from you and prplhz and decided to go after you for some reason (maybe subconscious backlash?). e: ... got null response Concerning snarfs from you and prplhz ... | ||
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I think I'm developing a good track record and that might help, but is there anything else I can do? | ||
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