Movie Star Mini Mafia!

On June 22 2012 07:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Let's try and figure out a way to figure out if we're town right here and right now...

:/

Because it's going to help me a lot if I can trust you. I now know you're a fucking beast as scum. What do you suggest?

On June 22 2012 07:22 Mattchew wrote:
Hi All,

I want MrZentor dead.


Marv, if you were to pick out the differences in your scum play and your town play, what would you point to?

On June 22 2012 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:


I "pretend" that I went and didn't find anything? I went and looked and I said EXACTLY what I found. I don't care about you wanting to shoot NT, nothing similar has happened this game to compare it to. When I went back, I found what I was looking for - you acting like a townie. You haven't done that this game. When I went and looked at your scum game, I found something there too - you defending yourself needlessly with meta. You HAVE done that this game. These aren't misrepresentations, they're observations I'm making. If you don't like it, STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO GO READ YOUR PREVIOUS GAMES.

On June 22 2012 15:23 Snarfs wrote:
Mattchew, you claim that you had hoped that marv would write down some things that he does as mafia so that you can hold him accountable, yet it just appears as though the most likely thing that will happen is, if marv is scum, he will become more cognisant of his flaws as mafia and be more likely to attempt to avoid them. It seems like you didn't fully think that question through.

On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.

In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.

I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.

If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues.

On June 22 2012 13:42 Mattchew wrote:


I dislike this answer greatly. The entire reason I asked was because of how strong your scum play has been recently, and that seemingly no-one (especially in this game) could finger you as scum. I was looking for an answer that would leave me with things to hold you accountable for. Instead, you dodge the question completely.


I don't like your grasping at straws to use "im smarter than doing something so scummy" as a defense. If you knew it would look scummy, why would you do it? It serves no town purpose to act willfully scummy.

On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:

I figured that of all people he would have more insight as to his differences and tells in his scum/town play, he would have the most information. It was extremely early in the game and was what I thought a good time to go into a self meta analysis that if he were town, he would gladly bestow upon us the things that he would use to set himself apart from scum. Instead, he sidesteps the question completely, not leaving us with anything to hold him accountable or help us get a read on him. Then he says that he knew this answer would be viewed as scummy, which if something is scummy, it is anti-town. I don't see why he would post like that knowing it would not help town.

On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:


(big post by post case on Risk.Nuke that I am not quoting)


This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before.
##Vote: rastaban

On June 24 2012 06:04 Mattchew wrote:

what exactly are you trying to do with this? save your scum teammate zentor with a no-lynch?

On June 25 2012 15:07 Mattchew wrote:
I am attempting to post more concisely and be less annoying this game then usual due to complaints in past games. When I wake up tomorrow I want to do a big post explaining my scum reads. You may all hold me accountable for doing so and the reads that I present. For now I am going to sleep after a long weekend.

On June 26 2012 10:16 marvellosity wrote:


There's not a lot else I can say on the matter by this stage. If that's really enough to lynch me then whatever.

I hate that there are so many players who basically haven't contributed this cycle. Where is Matt and his promised reads? Where are Shraft and Snarfs? Why is rastaban always so irrelevant? Why does risk who always has an opinion not have an opinion?

On June 27 2012 01:30 Snarfs wrote:

Actually, my argument is thusly:

Premiss 1: He was recently mislynched as town
Premiss 2: If he's town he'd be more worried about being mislynched because of (1)
Premiss 3: He is not acting like he's worried about being mislynched
Conclusion: Not town.

Premiss 1 is verifiable
Premiss 2 is hard to dismiss on the basis that your mislynch contributed to us losing the game and I don't think that you like losing games.
Premiss 3 is reflected in your "I'm actually playing a scummy town game" defense.

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@risk.nuke: You say VE is the towniest town that ever towned. Marv says he's going to kill VE if you let him live. You say that marv should be left alive. What? Now that's a logic fail.

On June 23 2012 10:16 Mattchew wrote:
I am going against my policy of always lynching mrzentor cause I don't think it's smart to lynch a claimed blue in a mini on day 1 especially with no counterclaim... Are we thinking that he got lucky with his guess or someone is holding their tongue? Do you think someone counterclaiming would be worth it to likely Out 1 scum?

Ve Marv and prob i would like your thoughts on rasta..

On June 23 2012 10:23 Mattchew wrote:

Is this not for this game.. Cause If not fuck me let's lynch mrz

On June 26 2012 12:05 Mattchew wrote:
So I have three suspects in my list for scum/sk players.

Those three (in order of how I would like them lynched/killed) are Rastaban, Prplhz and marvellosity

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My First Suspect is Rastaban.

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He thinks marv is scummy but did not want to vote for him day 1? That's perfectly reasonable play.



I find this tone (throughout the game) when in conversation with Marv to be strange. He has not ever given a reason for thinking Marv or VE is town, yet constantly lumps them together as townies arguing.

All in all, I find the tone of Rastaban's posts to be hesitant and a little off. I find that his lumping of townreads on players suspicious, and he has never really responded to a single case brought up. Instead he has just safely tunneled his forced case on Risk.

I want scum Rastaban dead. He barely even defends himself even though he was extremely close to being lynched which shows me he's more scum than bad town (for you prob... <3)

##vote Rastaban

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Next up we have Prplhz

I have already posted my thoughts on his timing of his Zeph case. While I was wrong about MrZ being his scum teammate, that hasn't dropped my suspicions. He posted a case, when it had no chance of actually impacting anything. I can't see a reason a townie would do this. It is obviously not going to get the attention he should want it to receive and all it provides him with is the ability to later on say I've been making cases all game. He hasn't posted about Zeph since that day ended. I think enough time has been given to say WTF? and then he goes and posts this...

Like is Risk now your #1 target too now? Where did his suspicions of Zeph go? Why isn't he trying to push his case on him that he wanted to lynch me for calling him out on the weird timing? Why can't I equate almost anything he has done with a Town Agenda?

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Finally we have Marv.

I actually should maybe color Marv black, because I think his play just feels very off. I think I lean him being the SK more than I do him being scum. Either way he eventually needs a noose. His filter is long and fluffy. A ton of arguing with VE but even more deflecting of actual answers... instead he resorts to inane arguments full of WIFOM and fallacys, like in all these filter enhancing posts. Can someone pick me out anything pro-town from these?


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This alongside his flip-flopping on VE, which I think is less likely then the usual confident (he called himself arrogant) town Marv.

On June 22 2012 14:17 Mattchew wrote:
Maybe I am being blinded by something, but I do not see how you can get a read off of Prplhz's posts so far. I can't judge him on the MrZ policy cause I completely agree with it, and I don't see anything in his posts that has an agenda. That being said, his posting is not helping town either, so that needs to shape up immediately

On June 23 2012 04:10 Mattchew wrote:
This all feels extremely middle of the road, I am ready to jump on a bandwagon but don't want to commit to anything scum play. He also contradicts himself about the talks about Marv, then contradicts his we have 48 hours post, by posting a case that he is pretty deadset on, about risk.nuke. Overall I just feel like Rastaban's posting has been flaky and his case on Risk is bad. To answer his question to the thread, I read his vote switch that he was not confident in a Marv lynch, and that he wanted to pressure a lurker with no content. Also, his first 30ish hour case doesn't take into account that Risk.nuke has played many many games before

On June 25 2012 15:07 Mattchew wrote:
Prplhz's post on zeph came at a really suspicious time. He may as well have asked for a no-lynch because if his case had actually gained traction, thats what would of occurred considering the time and players available.

I answered Snarfs question because it was asked of me. The discussion I believe had shifted away from Marv and he was no longer a lynch candidate. I don't believe that posting anything further about Marv would have helped town at that time. I will however be posting more on him in the next 24 hours while we discuss lynch candidates.

On June 26 2012 12:05 Mattchew wrote:
I find this tone (throughout the game) when in conversation with Marv to be strange. He has not ever given a reason for thinking Marv or VE is town, yet constantly lumps them together as townies arguing. All in all, I find the tone of Rastaban's posts to be hesitant and a little off. I find that his lumping of townreads on players suspicious, and he has never really responded to a single case brought up. Instead he has just safely tunneled his forced case on Risk. I want scum Rastaban dead. He barely even defends himself even though he was extremely close to being lynched which shows me he's more scum than bad town (for you prob... <3)

On June 27 2012 12:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
We'll probably lynch prplhz next, is that okay? :/

Honestly I'd rather lynch him now - we have an hour, can we make it happen?

X(

On June 26 2012 12:05 Mattchew wrote:
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I actually should maybe color Marv black, because I think his play just feels very off. I think I lean him being the SK more than I do him being scum. Either way he eventually needs a noose. His filter is long and fluffy. A ton of arguing with VE but even more deflecting of actual answers... instead he resorts to inane arguments full of WIFOM and fallacys, like in all these filter enhancing posts. Can someone pick me out anything pro-town from these?

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On June 28 2012 06:11 Mattchew wrote:

You could literally do this of anyone.. see

On June 28 2012 03:26 Mattchew wrote:

I have always pushed Marv as a candidate for lynch. Day 1 did he have any chance of getting lynched? Day 2 when the votes actually mattered, where was my vote? Oh right it was on Marv. I forgot that voting Rastaban forced me to stay with Rastaban the entire day whether he would get lynched or not. I wanted to push Rastaban to get him lynched. I still think he is scum, I still want him lynched. I voiced that I would vote Marv should Rastaban not be getting the votes to get lynched.

Once again, the option to type ##unvote DOES IN FACT EXIST

On June 28 2012 22:54 Mattchew wrote:
Marv

To simplify your process I will give you a step by step of how you should approach everything.

We are in Lynch Scum or Lose. Mis-lynching town or the SK will result in a scum victory

The first and MOST IMPORTANT thing you need to do is come up with a final read on Risk.
The reason for this, is that he is pretty much the only player 100% guaranteed not to be the SK.
Personally I believe him to be town. I don't think there is any logical reason for scum to hold their RB when I believe the SK has been hunting them all game (Zeph then Xsksc were scummy targets that I doubt scum would shoot at and I believe SK shot at them to kill mafia). It would be extremely bold of them to hold their RB and increase the chances of one of them being hit by SK.

If you disagree, I feel that you must vote and lynch Risk because if you are correct, he will flip scum 100%. There is no one else you can say this for.

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If you agree with my assessment that Risk is town, then you have 5 players left, 4 of which are not town. I think the first step you must take is trying to remove the remaining townie from the pool of 5. This way (and this is so weird to actually say out loud) you can start to play connect-the-scum, something that normally can demolish town. However in this scenario, it is actually the best way to try and lynch a scum team member over the SK or townie.

Any route you choose I will support, other than voting me for lynch. I also will help you think out your reads if you would like my opinions. Basically Marv, the game comes down to your reads, no one else's, if you read the situation as Risk being town then his reads also matter, but until that point, the game is on your shoulders.

On June 28 2012 23:13 Mattchew wrote:

I mean I dont think you are the SK and I think town is me/marv/risk so I dont really care much for your opinions no offense

On June 29 2012 07:18 Mattchew wrote:

why do you think he is not SK?