On July 02 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
We've already been over all of this so many times. If you still can't see it, me explaining it again isn't going to help

Thanks

Look at this way, what if both you and VE were scum? Would your Day 1 play be a decent scum play?

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July 02 2012 22:04 GMT

#1646

On July 03 2012 00:51 MrZentor wrote:
I knew prphlz was scum.

Don't lie now. It doesn't suit you.

On June 22 2012 12:01 MrZentor wrote:
I don't think Prphlz as mafia would suggest something as idiotic as lynching me.

On June 22 2012 22:06 MrZentor wrote:
I am going to put all of Prplhz's posts in the spoiler and why each one is him making a joke, tunneling me, defending himself, talking about some other game, or some combination of those things. In summary, he hasn't done anything useful, like scum hunting.

On June 23 2012 12:09 MrZentor wrote:
I don't know Zephirdd....it got pretty intense, but I do agree that we should kill one of them.

##Vote: marvellosity

You were wrong as were most of us.

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July 02 2012 22:12 GMT

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Bugs ->

You're a champ mate. I agree that slOosh's point about the size of the game was crucial and it was something I missed in game and post game. I understand now why marvel's play made little sense for scum in this particular game. Sorry Marv, you were saying this but I wasn't getting it. As Bugs says, you are one of those people I know could pull this kind of stunt off which is why it was in my realm of possibility. I like the idea of going back to the source of a fight. I did a bit on day 1 but got caught up in the Marv thing.

In that situation is it better to try and work out the alignments of the people throwing shit, or to just ignore it and look elsewhere for scum? I had real trouble trying to divorce myself from looking at Marv's filter because I felt the game hinged on his alignment and so I had to get a read on him. Maybe I should have just given up and looked harder elsewhere. I always thought Mattchew was suspicious but I never really pushed him until day 2. That was a casualty of my preoccupation with Marv.

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July 02 2012 22:16 GMT

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No because if I had just left you and VE to your own business in THIS game it would have been beneficial but that does not necessarily apply elsewhere.

It is more the principle of the thing. If two people are throwing shit around, what is the optimal play? Try and figure them out or just let them be and look elsewhere?

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July 02 2012 22:30 GMT

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On July 03 2012 07:20 marvellosity wrote:
I think even though you put forward a bunch of decent logical arguments against me (although as discussed, flawed a little), you weren't at all sure yourself I was scum anyway.

Exactly. That is my question. I was 100% certain VE was town. He just screamed it to me. So that was why I was focused on you.

Yeah maybe if I am unsure I should just move on to someone else and then come back to it later. Will keep in mind.

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July 02 2012 22:39 GMT

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On July 03 2012 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
go back and read wbg's analysis too, because I *did* make points that VE was twisting and manipulating my words, and you and others said I didn't. You got confirmation bias.

Again, that is irrelevant because VE's case was not what my case was based on and I had a very strong town read on him. VE was going on about your meta and such things which is not alignment indicative. I was concerned with your refusal to quell the argument with clarity (which could have been a scum ploy). VE's twisting of your words was bleh to me.

I agree that I was LOOKING for why you were scum, rather than trying to find out IF you were scum. It was a combination of things that lead me down that road. I didn't think you would do that as town; I did think you were capable of pulling this stunt as scum; I had a strong town read on VE; I know you are capable of pulling the wool over my eyes and so was extra cautious with you. Consider it a compliment

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July 02 2012 22:41 GMT

#1660

I still don't get how when I play the worst game I have ever played with a town that tears itself to pieces, I end up winning.

It feels so hollow

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July 02 2012 22:48 GMT

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EDIT: To VE: I wouldn't have bloody had to shoot Matt if you hadn't unvoted him

Ouch!

That was a day that started with good intentions (the marv is no longer scum thing), followed by a really bad no-lynch followed by a ROFL WTF shot. When it rains it pours.

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July 02 2012 22:51 GMT

#1664

No matter how hard we tried we failed to lose this game

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July 02 2012 23:39 GMT

#1668

It is probably appropriate that this is my first win then. I have a weird mafia record so this fits in perfectly.

I know bugs is capable of causing a shit fest for scum, it is his style that alerted me to the possibilities.

Bugs, you joining in Ver's game?

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July 03 2012 00:36 GMT

#1670

Given the crazy setup I am sure there will be imbalance stuff but that is half the fun. It looks like everyone for himself which should make things interesting.