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On June 29 2012 03:48 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 03:32 marvellosity wrote:
rastaban: a tidbit for you to consider. Post your thoughts as you please.
When Snarfs voted for Mattchew yesterday, he was leaving the thread and it seemed like there was zero danger of Mattchew getting lynched. Hmmm His case comes moments after I switch my vote to you. If he was scum bussing Matt b/c he felt he wouldn't actually be lynched at that point then there is a possibility of a Matt, Snarfs, X team. I was thinking he votted matt when I was pushing for matt as well, but I checked and it actually occurs after I switched my vote to you. Ok time to reread how that went down a few times and see what I can learn.
This isn't even logical. If I wanted to bus Matt, it would make more sense to have done it while your vote was on him. I basically reinvigorated the voting on Matt! I made it so that anyone who was online at the time had to choose between marvellosity and Mattchew and people were not sold on lynching marv. Please tell me you can see that...
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scum.
2 reasons.
The first I've already stated:
On June 24 2012 01:51 Snarfs wrote:
Hmm RE: MrZentor lynch, I get what slOosh is saying about it feeling wrong. Something seems off about prplhz and how he sort of spearheaded this lynch by first starting with a vote on MrZentor and then his case just kept getting stronger and stronger.
Normally when you're hunting scum you:
1) Find evidence that someone might be scum
2) Vote said person
3) If you're really sure, try to convince others that he's scum
However, what I'm seeing here from prplhz is:
1) Vote said person
2) Try to convince others to vote said person
3) Find evidence that he might be scum
I would appreciate some others looking over prplhz again and telling me what they think.
The second is because if he was following the thread at all before he voted you yesterday he would have realized it was unlikely you were actually going to be lynched despite the number of votes on you; therefore, his vote on you does not match his reasoning at all and he should have been voting Mattchew if he wanted to avoid a no lynch.
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marv, what exactly do you mean by protected? I'd like to have something to respond to.
rastaban, are you reading the same game I am? marv was not going to get lynched! Probulous said he wasn't going to vote him, risk.nuke wasn't going to vote him, VE was sitting right on the fence and prplhz's vote on him came from left field.
"marv was a sure thing" lol. That is totally not true and I dare anyone to try to go back and objectively reread that section and tell me otherwise.
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On June 29 2012 07:17 marvellosity wrote:
##Vote: Snarfs
I believe him most likely to be roleblocker as he has been protected most. Throughout day 1 and day 2 he was less engaged than I would expect from a townie Snarfs.
My point I made on day 2 earlier still stands where he dismissed my scum meta as wifom but condemned me because of town meta (this still doesn't make sense).
The point you made doesn't stand because I listened to you. I had made a mistake. I missed something, someone corrected me and I listened and changed my vote accordingly. Tell me how you read scum from that.
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marv, please do me a favour. Look at rastaban's reason for voting me. Now go back and reread that section of the thread again. Now come back and tell me if his vote makes any sense. I'll give you a hint: It doesn't because his reasoning is false.
Now look at both rastaban and Mattchew's viewpoints on today. They have basically given up their own thought processes and said something along the lines of "Okay, marv, lead us to victory!" This is scum thought. It doesn't matter to them if you end up lynching a scum or two, they just look damn good so that when it comes down to it, they can still pull off the win. Lo and behold, you point your finger at one of the last remaining townies. Sweet, says rastaban, I'll make up some reason to join the vote and hop on the wagon.
I don't want to lose because the confirmed town encouraged scum to sheep him into lynching me. That's dumb as hell and you know it.
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marv, look what I found!
On June 26 2012 16:30 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 16:24 Probulous wrote:On June 26 2012 16:22 risk.nuke wrote:
VE you think rastabans scumread on me is genuine? Anyway I don't know if I want to lynch rastaban because when scum have attacked me with a bad case in the past they generally back of. And townies are more prone to do the kind of moron tunneling rastaban is doing. (Given though, in the past the ones who were townies kept making tunnelingcases and tried to get me lynched. Rastaban is just calling me his #1 which is lazy and seems more mafia-aligned. So is he mafia, town, SK or null? This post says he is tunelling like a townie but he is acting mafia aligned. Clarify please. Leaning mafia but I will be able to tell with alot more certainty tomorrow so I'll try to find someone better to lynch.
risk.nuke makes it sound like he's a cop planning on checking rastaban! What happens the next night!? risk is roleblocked! :OOOO
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Come on man, we can still win this!
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Seriously!? Nothing!? Jesus man, you have one scum literally feeding you from his hand and another letting you guide him around like a dog and you can't even see it?
Look at what rastaban has done this game:
- Compare his opening posts in Bang Bang to this one. Same amount of content, twice the filler.
- Look at his case on risk.nuke. It was absolutely terrible there's no way he could have believe it himself.
- Look at how he continued to chase risk: The easiest thing in the world for mafia to do is just stick with a single read because they don't have to make up excuses for changing their mind.
Most importantly:
- Look at how he is the one who had the case on Mattchew when it didn't matter - when you were the clear lynch target - and then he switched back to you when it didn't gain steam and gave a bullshit reason about how you must not have read the vigilante rules, and then he switched back to Mattchew again when that lynch started picking up because of my vote.
- Look at how now, when it matters most that we lynch scum and everyone should be giving their opinions, he's just sheeping the shit out of you with more bullshit reasons
Come on marv, it's right in front of you!
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GG 
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I've read about half the post-game comments and honestly the fact that I was that easily determined as scum in end-game is a huge failure for me and all I need to know that I need to work on. I shouldn't have to fake-claim in endgame if I've played correctly. That's why I just shut up for the end of the game. If I've already been determined as anti-town then an SK fake claim is going to do nothing for my own personal growth and I didn't want to throw any more pressure on my teammates. I believe it's Ace's guide that says "if you can't say anything that will keep yourself alive then don't say anything at all". I was dead in the water so I stopped posting. Worked out well because I was busy all weekend but that's just lucky.
I think I played better than my first scum game but I had better town against me. One thing that pissed me off was the whole "Oh, he's being protected so he must be important scum" argument. As me and Mattchew showed and VE and Toad showed in LI and others have shown in the past, relying on connections is dumb as shit. Mattchew was scum in the water on day 1 when he clearly didn't give a shit what marv's response to his question (and his question was dumb and you guys should have called him on it [look at Mini X where town calls wiggles out on his dumb question]) and prplhz was... lynching MrZ for no damn good reason and should have been called out too.
I just want to play town again so I have a chance to call people out again on things like this. At the same time though, I was terrible scum myself. I was looking for easy town mistakes that I could call out on people and it fucked me because slOosh immediately recognized it.
SlOosh for town mvp imo.
Don't really care about the rest. I learned a bunch and I will be better for next game TL towns so watch the fuck out (except if you mislynch me when I'm town Imma be pissed).
Probulous, hopefully one day we'll be on the same team. Glad to gift wrap your first win for you buddy  . Maybe next time you'll earn it :D hwehwehwe!
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On July 03 2012 19:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 14:34 Snarfs wrote:
One thing that pissed me off was the whole "Oh, he's being protected so he must be important scum" argument. As me and Mattchew showed and VE and Toad showed in LI and others have shown in the past, relying on connections is dumb as shit. So you're calling me retarded for picking you out as roleblocker for reasons *you* fail to properly grasp. Thanks bro.
I'm really sorry, I was drunk when I wrote that  . I didn't mean for it to come off as harsh as it did. You played well after the whole VE thing ended and deserved the win.
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Yea, I was reflecting on a lot of that myself. Definitely something for me to work on, and I appreciate you posting your notes for me
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