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On June 30 2012 02:40 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:31 BioSC wrote:
I would rather lynch into you to confirm your role So you would rather lose a blue role than keep one? You make no sense and I'm done arguing with you. If other people believe that garbage, then town is doomed and there's very little point to any discussion.
Same. I fail to see how my argument is "garbage" when I'm not the one taking random claims as true over the way people are actually playing.
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From even earlier in the day. You are changing your votes based on the person suspecting you to be lying.
Prove it. I suspected roflwaffle55, the role behind him, before Jingle accused me.
Keirathi never suspected me.
Esspen never suspected me before I suspected him.
This is also directed to Jingle for saying my case against him is OMGUS. It can't be OMGUS cause I made it before you even started with your 4 lines of proof that I am scum.
I am surprised, Bio, you are going pretty much against common sense. You already managed to get Hopeless killed when I wanted to keep him alive since your case against him was weak, but townies listened to you, and scum helped you.
Now you try to get me lynched instead of the real scum, if we nail Jingle, we will also have information about your alignment cause you also covered Jingle day 1 by pushing hopeless.
If you kill me, you can hide saying you had no reason to believe I might be DT. And you fail to see that it's favorable to kill Jingle first, instead you kill DT's by a matter of principle to check if their claim was right.
The amount of information gained should have precedence before your irrational principles.
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I have also detected a possible scumslip by BioSC I'll be posting right before the lynch happens, should I be set to lynch.
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On June 30 2012 02:46 Vivax wrote:
If you kill me, you can hide saying you had no reason to believe I might be DT.
This statement literally only makes sense if you're not DT. How else could people hide behind that disbelief? Thank you for admitting you made up the case against me.
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On June 30 2012 02:46 Vivax wrote:
If you kill me, you can hide saying you had no reason to believe I might be DT.
LOL
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EBWOP: Let's face it, if you died and flipped DT, people who refused to believe your roleclaim would look like bandwagon scum.
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On June 30 2012 02:50 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:46 Vivax wrote:
If you kill me, you can hide saying you had no reason to believe I might be DT.
This statement literally only makes sense if you're not DT. How else could people hide behind that disbelief? Thank you for admitting you made up the case against me.
Why? He's trying to get me killed cause he doesn't believe I'm the DT. Once I flip , he will exactly say that he didn't believe I was the DT and thus got me lynched.
He will just admit to have made a mistake by not believing I'm the DT. He also was the main pusher against the first mislynched townie, and noone can blame him for that mistake, like noone could blaim him if you killed the DT now, that's me. That's what I say with that post: If you kill me, he will be able to wash off guilt, if you kill Jingle, it won't be so easy and you will still have a DT.
Also notice how JingleHell is running out of options, his post become increasingly smaller. His last one revolves around one line he misunderstands.
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And if you wonder why a Jingle lynch will tell us more about BioSC than a lynch of me, then guess who the two candidates for the day 1 lynch were: roflwaffle55/jingles and hopeless1der.
Guess who made the case against the townie: BioSC. Who has been covered by letting town believe that case? roflwaffle55/ Jingle. Who went in for the kill?Esspen.
If BioSC is so active now, then cause he'll be in the dirt once Jingle flips scum.
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On June 30 2012 03:03 Vivax wrote:
Also notice how JingleHell is running out of options, his post become increasingly smaller. His last one revolves around one line he misunderstands.
I don't misunderstand it at all. If you get lynched and flip DT, anybody who refused to believe you will look like they jumped on your bandwagon to save me. Nobody in their right mind would hide scumminess behind scum behavior.
The only way it could possibly be safe to admit they didn't believe your roleclaim after a lynch on you is if you flip anything other than DT.
I don't call it running out of options. If I go back and reiterate every single point against you, it will look scummy, like I'm trying to confuse the issue with inflated posts. You've already accused me of that once, so make up your mind on which one is bad.
My posts become smaller because there's less I need to say to point out your inconsistencies, because they're coming one at a time now.
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The simple fact of the matter is that its better for the town if Jingle flips town than it is for Vivax to flip DT.
Thats really all it comes down to. Simple game mechanics.
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EBWOP: That is, assuming Jingle isn't a blue role as well. Which he hasn't claimed.
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On June 30 2012 03:16 Keirathi wrote:
The simple fact of the matter is that its better for the town if Jingle flips town than it is for Vivax to flip DT.
Thats really all it comes down to. Simple game mechanics.
This is the problem with your play right now. You've spent so much time out of the thread, you refuse to actually read into players' feeds and make reads off of them. Right now, vivax is lying about being a DT. I know it. He's trying to save himself by pushing the scummiest person from Day 1 after being called out for his play. After he claims DT, you are resorting to mechanics to try and justify his bad play. Look through his filter, and the cases. I don't believe he's a DT at all. How people are buying this claim from a person who was set to die and has this horrible case with suspicions pointed at pretty much everyone is beyond me.
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Keirathi, what would a roleclaim by me at this point prove? If people refuse to see my case on it's own merits, and react to a manipulative OMGUS against me, a roleclaim to counter Vivax's or try to make myself seem more valuable than him would easily be turned into a transparent last ditch effort.
No, either take the case I laid out for it's merits, or don't. It's not in my hands at this point, but I hope we can all take a step back, read through filters again, and see what really makes sense, before it's too late.
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On June 30 2012 03:08 JingleHell wrote:
I don't misunderstand it at all. If you get lynched and flip DT, anybody who refused to believe you will look like they jumped on your bandwagon to save me. Nobody in their right mind would hide scumminess behind scum behavior.
Wait, so first you use that line of mine to say I admitted not to be the DT.
Now you you use that line to say that it will make anyone look guilty who jumped on the bandwagon against me if I flip DT.
I didn't say that anyone jumping on the bandwagon is guilty, in fact, the bandwagon is what protects scum cause they can share responsibility for what happened to the mislynched.
You can't share responsibility that easy when you protected someone who flips scum, that's why BioSC will end up in deep if you get lynched and flip red, but he can minimize his responsibility if he kills me.
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You JUST made the case that some people aren't OMG SUPER SMART players, then discount the fact that maybe Vivax is one of them, and he's doing the only thing he knows to do to clear himself.
Do I think he is suspicious? Hell yes. Do I think there is a possibility that he's not lying about DT and wants to clear himself? Yes, yes I do.
If there's any possibility that he is actually DT, then lynching him to prove it is just dumb.
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Also, watch Esspen closely, he just unvoted and might try to ninja change the outcome again like it happened with hopeless.
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Blazinghand
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On June 30 2012 01:36 NrGmonk wrote:
I know the OP says there doesn't necessarily have to be a detective/cop and doctor, but there usually is one of each, right? Or is there always one of each? I feel like people are posting assuming at least one of each exists. Just want a clarification
The possible blue roles in this game are Cop, Medic, Veteran, Jailkeeper, and Vigilante. This is a semi-open setup, that is, exact role counts will not be known, but the possible roles will be known. All roles presented here are not necessarily in the game, but no roles not included here are present.
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Ok, I'm catching up on the thread again, but this is really starting to piss me off.
How does anyone have a read on rofls/JingleHell? roflwaffles had to replace himself out, so he really was busy. This is neither evidence for or against JingleHell. The case against him is bullshit. Just calling him how I see it.
The only thing Esspen has been guilty of in my eyes is being a weak/confusing player. In no way does that make him scum, but it does make him a good target for scum to tunnel. That is why Vivax is scummy.
How do people not see that Vivax's "lynching for information" is one of the biggest scumtells in the book? I don't believe his DT claim, not for a second. His play has been incredibly scummy and I will not stop pressuring him until he is lynched.
@ Vivax
I was never in the Obs QT. Being a replacement I was not allowed in.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Less than 3 hours remain in the day one cycle. Make sure to post any votes in this thread. (link).
Votecount:
JingleHell (4):
BassInSpace
Vivax
dNa
Keirathi
Vivax (4):
JieXian
JingleHell
Miltonkram
BioSC
Not voting:
NrGmonk
Esspen
Currently, JingleHell is set to be lynched.
Note: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled.
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If I vote now for Vivax and then in hour NrGmonk shows up and votes for JingleHell, who is going to be lynched?
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EPT
