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@ JieXian
I've already given you all my clear arguments regarding JingleHell.
And in a game where there are 3 mafia, he goes in for the replacement to only suspect one guy, namely the guy who on the other hand wants to lynch him.
I've been tunneled mercilessly by this guy cause I was about to bring town on the right track to lynch him. There's probably a scum in here who tried to help him dilute my points against Jingle.
Oh, and Esspen came back once I claimed, what a coincidence:
On June 29 2012 23:28 Esspen wrote:
There isl no chance he's detective, I'm ready to bet on my kidney. Why would he be accusing all the people he accused if he could focus on the one he knew to be the scum and make a good case on him. This seems like a very sad fake roleclaim.
I'm making the case on him since the beginning of this fucking day, dude.And against you for covering him.
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On June 29 2012 23:48 JingleHell wrote:
Actually, the cases started BEFORE you unfolded your "suspect list", and I believe they helped shape it, as it's been changing constantly since.
nope.
I suspected the person you replaced to be mafia before night 1, and after night 1, I included Keirathi for his style aswell.
You act as if I should just pursue one case at once like you do when there are three mafia.
If I just breadcrumbed my post to suspect you, that would have made me look like I tunneled you for no reason since we didn't have much information from the guy you replaced at that point. Think I would have had success in getting town to lynch you with such a strat? It would only have worked if I claimed immediately, but I wasn't at danger and had no reason to.
You aren't answering why you were more interested in lynching Keirathi than me until recently, when you theoretically knew I was scum, and only really had him for lurking. I wouldn't buy that with a coupon and someone else's money.
Never been more interested in lynching him. I just found the reasons to add him to my list of suspects. I can place my FoS on multiple people at once.
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Ya now I'm satisfied with your clear stand
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But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now.
Somehow that's supposed to line up with
Never been more interested in lynching him. I just found the reasons to add him to my list of suspects. I can place my FoS on multiple people at once.
Your inconsistencies have been the primary basis of my case the entire time. And as usual, your tactic is to lie and manipulate, rather than just making a clear case and a clear defense.
You accuse me of tunnel vision, but I've mentioned Esspen's behavior, even suggested a possible explanation for his bizarre vote, and reminded people that while there's a pile of evidence building, we should still remain vigilant for anything. I suppose that's tunnel vision too?
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Vivax I'm ready to give you the BOTD and unvote you since I mainly voted you to get because you were really irritated me by wanting to post after feeling threathened, if you can clarify a few things:
On June 27 2012 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.
If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.
Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives.
Why are you as a DT asking to be killed? Especially since you didn't breadcrumb anything as insurance?
On June 27 2012 09:00 Vivax wrote:
##unvote
##Vote roflwaffle55
On June 27 2012 09:02 Vivax wrote:
Oh god my vote didn't get through in time -.-
And that gives me seeeeeeeeeeeerious doubts about for roleclaim right there.
Why the hell delay if you knew he was scum?
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What? I wake up to 2 fresh pages of thread? I'm proud of you guys.
Catching up now.
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The DT can only make checks at night. That was still during day 1.
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But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now.
Has anyone seen Keirathi posting in this day? Well he has no reason to, since most of town has never pressured him the slightiest.
That was the whole purpose of lynch all lurkers: Don't let them lurk. Yet they were able to keep lurking cause someone here stirred up a case against me. The whole supposed scumslip by me was the fact that I suspected Jingle and Esspen and wanted to lynch them for information. That's what you build your post up on, and 4 lines:
JingleHell's first post against me contains these accusations (actually they are lines) after he quotes me 4 times to inflate his post, bolded ones are my answers:
1.Note the levels of effort. It's almost like it should be a foregone conclusion who to target.
I get criticized for effort. Ridiculous.
2.Pointing out a definition of scummy that suits his agenda of trying to get people targeted.
If a last minute vote to protect a lurker against an active poster isn't scummy, then I don't know what definition for scummy you use.Also remember that I almost managed to save the first mislynched townie with my vote, why would I do that as mafia???[/b]
3.Again, targeting specific people based on a policy lynch that actually doesn't favor town very well in the current climate.
It's not a policy lynch. I didn't target people day 2 just cause they were lurking, I analyzed their posts.
4.Calling out the scum, but absolutely no interest in him? It's like he wants to look above reproach.
[b]Exactly which post of mine suggests that I have no interest in what I'm targetting?What kind of bad accuse is this?
Aside from your ridiculous arguments in your first case against me, you seem to assume again that I would just blindly pursue you in front of the other townies cause you returned scum.
You should know that I wouldn't have managed to get you lynched if I didn't claim.
On June 30 2012 00:19 BassInSpace wrote:
The DT can only make checks at night. That was still during day 1.
What the heck are you talking about. I suspected the guy he replaced to be scum day, so I checked him night 1, and I knew for a fact that he was scum day 2. But people immediately jumped on a bandwagon created by him and others against me.
Also, try to debunk this defense:
Why the hell did I try to get roflwaffle55 lynched instead of a townie? How can scum do this? Why would scum try and stop a townie from getting lynched?Scum managed to get a townie lynched day 1, and I should be scum cause I tried to stop that from happening? Dude, please.
Imagine if I were scum, had switched that vote successfully and hit the said-to-be townie roflwaffle55/JingleHell. I would have been instalynched day 2 for looking like I had protected hopeless from getting lynched. And for what then?He was town anyway.
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EBWOP:
What the heck are you talking about. I suspected the guy he replaced to be scum day 1, so I checked him night 1, and I knew for a fact that he was scum day 2. But people immediately jumped on a bandwagon created by him and others against me.
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Vivax, my post was in reply to this post by JieXian, explaining why it wasn't possible for you to have a scum check on waffles on day 1.
On June 30 2012 00:11 JieXian wrote:Vivax I'm ready to give you the BOTD and unvote you since I mainly voted you to get because you were really irritated me by wanting to post after feeling threathened, if you can clarify a few things: Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 19:25 Vivax wrote:
Esspen voted for hopeless when rofl was set to lynch, as already mentioned.
If one of them is scum, the other most likely is, too. With the current information available, I would go for one of them.
Also remember that posting cases during the night can make you a target for scum.
Speaking of it, I think I'm the designed nightkill simply cause noone suspected me yet. Townies who are believed to be townies are dangerous for scum, and I didn't see any blue role vibes for them to use yet, so they don't have many alternatives. Why are you as a DT asking to be killed? Especially since you didn't breadcrumb anything as insurance? Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 09:02 Vivax wrote:
Oh god my vote didn't get through in time -.- And that gives me seeeeeeeeeeeerious doubts about for roleclaim right there. Why the hell delay if you knew he was scum?
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On June 30 2012 00:19 BassInSpace wrote:
The DT can only make checks at night. That was still during day 1.
oh you're right
Still waiting for his reply to the first one, which was one of the reasons I voted for him in the first place
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If you haven't been following I've been on your side since your role claim...
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On June 29 2012 22:56 Vivax wrote:Well, read the secret then, I don't even have to play with unrevealed cards cause I am going to die anyway: + Show Spoiler +Now decide if you would rather take the risk of lynching me or the guy who initiated all this bandwagon on me. It's sad however that noone suspected him besides me.
Are you really claiming DT? The only way I'm going to believe a claim like this 100% is if you flip. Though I understand your hand is kind of forced, as you are on the chopping block.
TBH, with the lack of breadcrumbs and play in general, sorry to say but I don't believe it. If you die today, and flip DT, then we can finally have a track to go on.
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Lol Bio, you would rather lynch someone who claimed DT for information instead of the guy he's accusing?
You don't understand.
If you lynch the guy I'm accusing, you know if I spoke the truth and you still have the DT.
If you lynch the DT, you know the guy he accused is scum, but you lost the DT.
Why do you choose the worse option? Both give the same information, but one kills a blue role.
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On June 30 2012 00:30 Vivax wrote:JingleHell's first post against me contains these accusations (actually they are lines) after he quotes me 4 times to inflate his post, bolded ones are my answers: Show nested quote +
1.Note the levels of effort. It's almost like it should be a foregone conclusion who to target.
I get criticized for effort. Ridiculous.
2.Pointing out a definition of scummy that suits his agenda of trying to get people targeted.
If a last minute vote to protect a lurker against an active poster isn't scummy, then I don't know what definition for scummy you use.Also remember that I almost managed to save the first mislynched townie with my vote, why would I do that as mafia???[/b]
3.Again, targeting specific people based on a policy lynch that actually doesn't favor town very well in the current climate.
It's not a policy lynch. I didn't target people day 2 just cause they were lurking, I analyzed their posts.
4.Calling out the scum, but absolutely no interest in him? It's like he wants to look above reproach.
Exactly which post of mine suggests that I have no interest in what I'm targetting?What kind of bad accuse is this?
Aside from your ridiculous arguments in your first case against me, you seem to assume again that I would just blindly pursue you in front of the other townies cause you returned scum.
You should know that I wouldn't have managed to get you lynched if I didn't claim.
You complain about my criticism of your effort, where it was clearly related to individual effort in each of your supposed "cases". Some of them were a single line (something you're trying to accuse me of now), while others were closer to a paragraph.
You seem to consider Esspen's last minute save of [b]me to be scummy, why shouldn't your "attempt" also be scummy?
You claim to be targetting people day2 based on analysis. Shortly after your fake roleclaim. Which is supposed to support a case that's utterly inconsistent with your agenda from the beginning of the day.
And point four, I was talking about you calling out the scum, and them showing no interest in you. Why are you trying to turn that into something so unrelated?
All of your "defense" is based on a rather bad semantics game. And right at the end, you admit that you're only roleclaiming to support your OMGUS case against me.
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Do what you want, I'm done explaining. And this game sucks thanks to the inactivity of people who would make a difference, I've played to win but can't be arsed to be posting so much more.
For 5 things I write 1 returns.
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On June 30 2012 00:44 Vivax wrote:
Lol Bio, you would rather lynch someone who claimed DT for information instead of the guy he's accusing?
You don't understand.
If you lynch the guy I'm accusing, you know if I spoke the truth and you still have the DT.
If you lynch the DT, you know the guy he accused is scum, but you lost the DT.
Why do you choose the worse option? Both give the same information, but one kills a blue role.
No. You lynch DT's to prove they are DT's. You could just as easily be scum fake roleclaiming to save yourself, and the possibility exists that there isn't actually another DT to counter-claim.
DT's just aren't supposed to be getting targeted this early, so your forced to claim. If you flip Detective, we know that your checks are 100% true. Weather they are accurate or not (Godfather, Miller, ect) is another story.
And like I said, I simply just don't believe you.
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Off to bed, should be back before day 2's end.
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##Vote JingleHell
I trust Vivax' judgement, especially since i've been sure of jingle's (or rather waffle's) scumminess on day 1. I changed my vote to JingleHell, i strongly advise everyone else to do so as well. At this point I'm pretty certain that everyone who votes for Vivax is HIGHLY suspicious (I'm talking 90% scum).
here is my reasoning behind this:
If he indeed would be scum, There would be more people making a case for someone else. At this point the only one who IS making a case against someone else is me (and him of course). [this is the weakest point, it gets even better!]
So, if you lynch Vivax now, He might or might not be scum. If he was scum, we have no tells about any other scum whatsoever, and the remaining scum is free to kill whoever makes the most sense.
same with him being detective, but even worse, because we lost our detective.
Here's what happens when we lynch JingleHell:
If he really is scum (which i deem very likely at this point), we can be pretty sure that Esspen is likely to be scum as well, furthermore the rolecall has been made by Vivax, which means, while we still lose our detective, scum has either to choose between killing off one of the people who really make sense or the detective.
Or he might be town, which gives us viable information regarding Vivax as well!
Please people, vote with reason this time, vote for Jingle, let him hang.
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I will go to bed now, I hope I'll see the right one getting lynched this time.
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