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So after catching up in the thread, 2 things stick out:
Why would you want to vote me if you're detective and have proof that someone is scum?
and 2, despite that, I actually feel inclined to trust the detective claim. There's really not much point tot he claim at that point if you're getting bandwagoned, because if you're wrong about the scum, then you just get lynched the next day, which doesn't really help the mafia out very much.
Although, you *COULD* be claiming det and giving up a teamate to appear clean for a while until someone else claims det and we are forced to decide who's lying.
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On June 30 2012 01:18 Keirathi wrote:
So after catching up in the thread, 2 things stick out:
Why would you want to vote me if you're detective and have proof that someone is scum?
and 2, despite that, I actually feel inclined to trust the detective claim. There's really not much point tot he claim at that point if you're getting bandwagoned, because if you're wrong about the scum, then you just get lynched the next day, which doesn't really help the mafia out very much.
Although, you *COULD* be claiming det and giving up a teamate to appear clean for a while until someone else claims det and we are forced to decide who's lying.
Wrong. A mislynch is something that is ALWAYS good for mafia. Why would the scum team settle for just losing one of their own, when they could take a townie with them?
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Also re BioSC:
That's the worst logic I've ever heard. You kill the target the DT claimed as scum, NOT THE DT HIMSELF.
That would make no sense at all. Why would you not want more of the DT's info, assuming he is actually the DT?
Here's the possible ways this can play out:
1) We lynch Vivax. He flips DT, so we lynch Jester tomorrow and have 1 mafia down.
2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down.
3) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia compatriats kills Vivax tonight. 1 mafia down.
4) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia targets someone else. 1 Mafia down, mild suspicion on Vivax still, at least 1 more night of "investigations".
5) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Doc save on Vivax. 1 mafia down, and another night of confirmed investigations.
6) We lynch Jester, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow.
It's pretty easy to see that 4 is our BEST CASE SCENARIO.
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EBWOP: I mean to say that *5* is our best case scenario.
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I know the OP says there doesn't necessarily have to be a detective/cop and doctor, but there usually is one of each, right? Or is there always one of each? I feel like people are posting assuming at least one of each exists. Just want a clarification
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On June 30 2012 01:31 Keirathi wrote:
Also re BioSC:
That's the worst logic I've ever heard. You kill the target the DT claimed as scum, NOT THE DT HIMSELF.
That would make no sense at all. Why would you not want more of the DT's info, assuming he is actually the DT?
Here's the possible ways this can play out:
1) We lynch Vivax. He flips DT, so we lynch Jester tomorrow and have 1 mafia down.
2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down.
3) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia compatriats kills Vivax tonight. 1 mafia down.
4) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia targets someone else. 1 Mafia down, mild suspicion on Vivax still, at least 1 more night of "investigations".
5) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Doc save on Vivax. 1 mafia down, and another night of confirmed investigations.
6) We lynch Jester, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow.
It's pretty easy to see that 4 is our BEST CASE SCENARIO.
I do agree with you.
##Vote JingleHell
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Vivax thought Keirathi was a better target for a vote than me earlier in the day cycle.
Vivax fakes roleclaim to support an OMGUS against me.
Keirathi jumps in supporting that.
And somehow, according to Vivax, the case against HIM is a bandwagon?
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I'm fine with people lynching me. I've been inactive, I can understand why I would warrant suspicion. I'm just a regular 'ol citizen though, so the loss of me doesn't hurt town too much. At least not as much as the loss of a blue role.
But just think about it for a minute; if Vivax *IS* scum, then why would he put me out there as a target to vote, before he was getting bandwagoned? He would gain more in the *LONG RUN* if he had people at the end of the game that seemed scummier than he did.
Lynch All Lurkers is a town policy. Lynch *NO* Lurkers is a mafia policy.
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On June 30 2012 01:31 Keirathi wrote:
Also re BioSC:
That's the worst logic I've ever heard. You kill the target the DT claimed as scum, NOT THE DT HIMSELF.
That would make no sense at all. Why would you not want more of the DT's info, assuming he is actually the DT?
Here's the possible ways this can play out:
1) We lynch Vivax. He flips DT, so we lynch Jester tomorrow and have 1 mafia down.
2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down.
3) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia compatriats kills Vivax tonight. 1 mafia down.
4) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia targets someone else. 1 Mafia down, mild suspicion on Vivax still, at least 1 more night of "investigations".
5) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Doc save on Vivax. 1 mafia down, and another night of confirmed investigations.
6) We lynch Jester, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow.
It's pretty easy to see that 4 is our BEST CASE SCENARIO.
You are assuming. Why, in a game where we literally have NO IDEA who is what, what possible roles there are, ect. you are assuming stuff? I really can't believe this. There is only one way to make Vivax's claim true, and that is to flip him.
I honestly can't think of how all these wild assumptions are being made and then taken as true. I'm going to be comparing things I can actually see, which is posts/playstyle in this game.
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On June 30 2012 01:36 JingleHell wrote:
Vivax thought Keirathi was a better target for a vote than me earlier in the day cycle.
Vivax fakes roleclaim to support an OMGUS against me.
Keirathi jumps in supporting that.
And somehow, according to Vivax, the case against HIM is a bandwagon?
As far as you, this is a contentless post. Tell me why my logic is wrong. Present a case to me.
Don't just accuse me of bandwagoning you. I gave solid evidence and a fully laid out list of why I'm voting for you, yet you did nothing to try to change my mind. Seems like you've already given up.
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On June 30 2012 02:00 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 01:36 JingleHell wrote:
Vivax thought Keirathi was a better target for a vote than me earlier in the day cycle.
Vivax fakes roleclaim to support an OMGUS against me.
Keirathi jumps in supporting that.
And somehow, according to Vivax, the case against HIM is a bandwagon? As far as you, this is a contentless post. Tell me why my logic is wrong. Present a case to me. Don't just accuse me of bandwagoning you. I gave solid evidence and a fully laid out list of why I'm voting for you, yet you did nothing to try to change my mind. Seems like you've already given up.
If it seems I'm resigned to my fate, it's because all of the posts I've already made demonstrating that Vivax is manipulating reactions and emotions to support his OMGUS against me have been utterly ignored, and the bandwagon is being jumped on.
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On June 30 2012 01:56 BioSC wrote:
You are assuming.
What!?
Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are.
Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3.
The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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EBWOP: I mean to say Vivax isnt DT or Mafia *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. Meaning bothing are townies.
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On June 30 2012 02:04 Keirathi wrote:What!? Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are. Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3. The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes. You are making the assumption that Vivax is a DT, and saying its the best path for town. I do not believe Vivax is the DT at all. So how am I dense? You leave out scenarios and call ME dense? Amusing. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't possible.
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On June 30 2012 02:08 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:04 Keirathi wrote:On June 30 2012 01:56 BioSC wrote:
You are assuming.
What!? Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are. Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3. The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever. Yes. You are making the assumption that Vivax is a DT, and saying its the best path for town. I do not believe Vivax is the DT at all. So how am I dense? You leave out scenarios and call ME dense? Amusing. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't possible.
2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down.
6) We lynch Jingle, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow.
Where did I leave out scenarios where Vivax isn't DT? Thats what those look like to me.
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On June 30 2012 02:10 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:08 BioSC wrote:On June 30 2012 02:04 Keirathi wrote:On June 30 2012 01:56 BioSC wrote:
You are assuming.
What!? Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are. Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3. The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever. Yes. You are making the assumption that Vivax is a DT, and saying its the best path for town. I do not believe Vivax is the DT at all. So how am I dense? You leave out scenarios and call ME dense? Amusing. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't possible. 2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down. 6) We lynch Jingle, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow. Where did I leave out scenarios where Vivax isn't DT? Thats what those look like to me.
Yes, you posted your wonderful list of things that could happen. I'm saying YOU are assuming he's a DT, thus you are saying that the best scenarios involve you taking 100% gospel of Vivax's claim. I don't. Not one bit. Case coming up shortly.
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Towards Vivax:
On June 29 2012 01:55 Vivax wrote:Also, to remind you of the information gained from lynching one of you: Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 20:41 Vivax wrote:
If we kill Esspen and he is scum, then JingleHell most likely is scum, too. (For being protected by Esspen against his own beliefs)
If we kill Esspen and he is townie, then JingleHell can be anything.
If we kill Jinglehell and he is scum, then Esspen is either scum or a misled townie with confusing playstyle.
If we kill Jinglehell and he is town, then Esspen probably isn't scum cause scum would have known Jinglehell (roflwaffle55) was town, and wouldn't have had to vote like that.
And don't forget that my main target is Keirathi cause of his mafiavibes. You're putting words into my mouth saying that I prefer a policy lynch to a scumminess lynch, Jingle. The post I'm quoting myself from proves it, too.
You said this before your claim of DT, but after your check. Why would you be pushing/claiming a main target of Keirathi if you claim to have a red check? Why, as a town aligned DT, would you go after someone you believe to be red, rather than someone a check says is red?
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On June 28 2012 20:45 Vivax wrote:
Regarding JingleHell vs Esspen: I think lynching Jinglehell would give us more information. Esspen might very well just be a sloppy player.
But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now.
From even earlier in the day. You are changing your votes based on the person suspecting you to be lying. I honestly can't see why you would suddenly just change your suspicions around until after someone comes swinging at you.
I don't believe your claim. I feel like you are simply claiming just to save your own neck while its on the chopping block. I would rather lynch into you to confirm your role than to suddenly switch votes based on inconsistencies.
## Vote Vivax
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On June 30 2012 02:14 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:10 Keirathi wrote:On June 30 2012 02:08 BioSC wrote:On June 30 2012 02:04 Keirathi wrote:On June 30 2012 01:56 BioSC wrote:
You are assuming.
What!? Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are. Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3. The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever. Yes. You are making the assumption that Vivax is a DT, and saying its the best path for town. I do not believe Vivax is the DT at all. So how am I dense? You leave out scenarios and call ME dense? Amusing. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't possible. 2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down. 6) We lynch Jingle, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow. Where did I leave out scenarios where Vivax isn't DT? Thats what those look like to me. Yes, you posted your wonderful list of things that could happen. I'm saying YOU are assuming he's a DT, thus you are saying that the best scenarios involve you taking 100% gospel of Vivax's claim. I don't. Not one bit. Case coming up shortly.
The problem I'm seeing is that YOU are assuming that I am assuming he's DT. My only assumption is that town wants to win. The best possible case for town to win is if we ALL assume he's DT (and hope we have a Doc).
And you were right about one thing; I am completely disregarding the scenario where Vivax is not DT but also still town. If you want to believe that, go ahead. I'm going to trust that fellow townies aren't that stupid though.
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I don't trust anything. I've seen games where Vanilla Townies Claim Blue roles. Most of the time, they don't work. I'm going off the way he's playing. He didn't breadcrumb his check, he only tells us about it after he has a majority vote on himself, switching targets between you and Jingle... yeah. I don't believe he is blue at all.
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On June 30 2012 02:31 BioSC wrote:
I would rather lynch into you to confirm your role
So you would rather lose a blue role than keep one? You make no sense and I'm done arguing with you. If other people believe that garbage, then town is doomed and there's very little point to any discussion.
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