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Vivax
21767 Posts
I am inclined to believe BassInSpace to be townie. But he apologizes a lot for time zone differences. I don't know your rhythm and cannot estimate the time available to you for real. Many of his posts seem to be on-the-go, some have craploads of mistakes in them. I don't believe mafia would post carelessly like that. That said, I'll give you my list of potential mafia to be used in case I get lynched: Miltonkram, JingleHell, Esspen, Keirathi, NrGMonk | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 11:11 dNa wrote: I really enjoy where you put out all the reasoning behind my vote and just quoted the one thing that does not 100% point into esspen's direction, although part of it does. really great manipulation in this post, i'll give you that. to your points against vivax i'm only seeing alot of "metagaming" on your end, no actual tells in this game. in regards to your points about Esspen i agree, this is one thing not many scum players would have done... then again maybe he saw that after the history he has gotten in this channel, he has lost his value as a scum asset and therefore - after consolidating with his teammates, decided to make this move to: 1. appear not scummy for once 2. increase the amount of attention in regards to Vivax's case. If indeed esspen is scum (and is now seen as a liability to his team) and vivax is town, he could very well just be adding another vote to vivax to force the lynch, not caring that he will be up next if the flip reveals vivax is town, hence his fearlessness in saying that we should lynch him should vivax flip town to give himself town cred (what do you think of this Miltonkram? This was your soft defense of him after all). Even though I've switched to pressuring Vivax now, I'm still very suspicious of esspen; I feel that my original case against him from a few days ago is still valid, and what I've discussed here doesn't help improve my opinion of him. However... Vivax, as it is, I cannot change my vote from you, because I haven't read your secret defense post. Again, I sincerely did want to, because I did agree with you that it was hard not to target lurkers considering that amount of activity in the thread at that point. It was that post I highlighted in my case (where you said you thought you were the most towny and therefore most likely to be shot) and your choice in exactly which lurkers to target that pushed me to making a case on you. I will try to get online before the deadline to read it, and if it is convincing enough, change my vote accordingly. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
##Vote Vivax | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
On June 29 2012 16:15 JieXian wrote: WTF? You start the post attacking and linking Bio and Vivax together and end by putting the 2 people who are most likely to be lynched on the line? To gain what? You don't make any sense Esspen.................................... For now you're next on my list after Vivax. I'm giving you the BOTD for now in abscence of much evidence but HOLY SHIT that really sounds like a scumslip: How the hell can you be so dead sure of yourself? That defense of Esspen isn't a defense at all imo, everyone knows both of them are on the chopping block either way. However if Esspen is scum you won't be feeling good about yourself. So I'm not linking both of you together as scum. Rather I see it as a pretentious defense of Esspen for townie cred since he's probably going to die anyways and you would know that he's townie. If both Vivax and Esspen flip townie I'm going to hunt for Milton. (Unless of course either Bio or Dna flip scum) ok I'm quite worried about dying now so IF I GET SHOT TONIGHT FUCKIGN HUNT MILTON DOWN If I'm wrong and I know it's a long shot with a lot of ifs, Milton sorry for being crazy. If either 3 of them from your list flip scum you're gonna get some townie cred from me. This is another take regarding esspen that I had considered earlier. That nagging feeling that in fact esspen is town and we're all being played by mafia. However, JieXian, I disagree with you holding Miltonkram's confidence against him. Him saying that he feels "pretty good about the game" is a rather trivial remark. I think we both agree that his soft defense of esspen may warrant further discussion though, but that is for another day I think. | ||
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Vivax
21767 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + It's actually not that hard to guess + Show Spoiler + You just have to look at the guy I was suspecting from day 1 on + Show Spoiler + Since I was suspicious of him, and being the detective + Show Spoiler + I checked him and he returned scum Now decide if you would rather take the risk of lynching me or the guy who initiated all this bandwagon on me. It's sad however that noone suspected him besides me. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
## Vote JingleHell | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 29 2012 22:54 BassInSpace wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 16:15 JieXian wrote: WTF? You start the post attacking and linking Bio and Vivax together and end by putting the 2 people who are most likely to be lynched on the line? To gain what? You don't make any sense Esspen.................................... For now you're next on my list after Vivax. I'm giving you the BOTD for now in abscence of much evidence but HOLY SHIT that really sounds like a scumslip: How the hell can you be so dead sure of yourself? That defense of Esspen isn't a defense at all imo, everyone knows both of them are on the chopping block either way. However if Esspen is scum you won't be feeling good about yourself. So I'm not linking both of you together as scum. Rather I see it as a pretentious defense of Esspen for townie cred since he's probably going to die anyways and you would know that he's townie. If both Vivax and Esspen flip townie I'm going to hunt for Milton. (Unless of course either Bio or Dna flip scum) ok I'm quite worried about dying now so IF I GET SHOT TONIGHT FUCKIGN HUNT MILTON DOWN If I'm wrong and I know it's a long shot with a lot of ifs, Milton sorry for being crazy. If either 3 of them from your list flip scum you're gonna get some townie cred from me. This is another take regarding esspen that I had considered earlier. That nagging feeling that in fact esspen is town and we're all being played by mafia. However, JieXian, I disagree with you holding Miltonkram's confidence against him. Him saying that he feels "pretty good about the game" is a rather trivial remark. I think we both agree that his soft defense of esspen may warrant further discussion though, but that is for another day I think. Ok I trust your decision since you were correct about Release. It's still nothing but a BOTD or a light FOS for now since Milton's new and we'll have to wait for more tells if they come. On June 29 2012 22:56 Vivax wrote: Well, read the secret then, I don't even have to play with unrevealed cards cause I am going to die anyway: + Show Spoiler + It's actually not that hard to guess + Show Spoiler + You just have to look at the guy I was suspecting from day 1 on + Show Spoiler + Since I was suspicious of him, and being the detective + Show Spoiler + I checked him and he returned scum Now decide if you would rather take the risk of lynching me or the guy who initiated all this bandwagon on me. It's sad however that noone suspected him besides me. It's sad that it's really hard for me to give you the BOTD to avoid another mislynch. Please post clear arguements that we can understand and not bloody hints like it's a treasure hunt. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
I suppose, Vivax, that on night 1, you checked every single individual who was going to make a case against you today, and everyone is scum, right? Tell me, out of your "scumlist" you posted earlier, of Miltonkram, JingleHell, Esspen, Keirathi, NrGMonk listed in that order, why would you not have listed or weighted the names differently? Why would you discuss lynching for information that you already have and aren't uncomfortable giving out with a roleclaim? Something doesn't add up here, so I'm going to accuse you of a false roleclaim to get your head off the chopping block. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 29 2012 23:11 BassInSpace wrote: Damn it, I suspected you were the DT. Your playstyle kind of reminded me of my own when I played DT in my first game, but I couldn't be sure. Because of this, I'm willing to take the chance and take you on your word that you are in fact the DT. I'm not too sure about your decision to roleclaim, since I don't think your lynch is set in stone and you could've breadcrumbed as insurance, but I understand it's hard given that 2 of the votes on you were in different time zones and may not have been changed. ## Vote JingleHell I won't call that a breadcrumb. Going to look into the Jinglehell claim. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 29 2012 23:19 JieXian wrote: I won't call that a breadcrumb. Going to look into the Jinglehell claim. ok my mistake. In that case I don't understand you or your logic. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 28 2012 20:45 Vivax wrote: Regarding JingleHell vs Esspen: I think lynching Jinglehell would give us more information. Esspen might very well just be a sloppy player. But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now. You prefer a Keirathi lynch over someone you claim to KNOW is scum? Intriguing. This is all sounding increasingly desperate. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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Esspen
Croatia29 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 29 2012 23:28 BassInSpace wrote: I don't know what you don't understand, but let me take a stab at guessing. I'm saying it might have been preferable for him to breadcrumb INSTEAD of straight out roleclaiming, on the chance that he doesn't get lynched, so that our DT stays hidden. ok got it now. Bass you have to read the latest posts and reconsider your position... I have confirmed mine. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
On June 29 2012 23:18 JingleHell wrote: So a false roleclaim and a false accusation is your "perfect" proof? Again, an effort to contravene the weight of evidence based on trying to force a reaction. I suppose, Vivax, that on night 1, you checked every single individual who was going to make a case against you today, and everyone is scum, right? Tell me, out of your "scumlist" you posted earlier, of listed in that order, why would you not have listed or weighted the names differently? Why would you discuss lynching for information that you already have and aren't uncomfortable giving out with a roleclaim? Something doesn't add up here, so I'm going to accuse you of a false roleclaim to get your head off the chopping block. Jinglehell, the DT is meant to play like a normal town player. He is allowed to have a scumlist, based on relationships he believes exists between players. It can be argued that a relationship exists between Miltonkram, Esspen and yourself, for instance. He doesn't need to check a person before making a case against them. People would then be asking why he is so slow to make cases or confirm his position, and could make others supicious of his true role. Also, the way he formatted the list is something that is trivial at best IMO. Esspen, same points apply to you. He is allowed to accuse more than one person even though he has a positive check on one. His decision to vote keirathi is strange, I'll admit, and hopefully he can explain it before I sleep. However, I'm still leaving my vote on you jinglehell. | ||
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Vivax
21767 Posts
I suppose, Vivax, that on night 1, you checked every single individual who was going to make a case against you today, and everyone is scum, right? Lol what. I can only check one, and you know it. Also,there was no case against me on night 1. The cases started when I unfolded my suspect list, just that I wasn't sure of Esspen cause he covered you with his vote in the last minute, so I tried to breadcrumb it in a way that town would lynch one of you. Keirathi was simply the next one to suspect. There are still 2 other mafia besides you, and 4 people left to choose them from my list. Your behavior proves that you are scum, too. Something doesn't add up here, so I'm going to accuse you of a false roleclaim to get your head off the chopping block. If you knew you were townie, you could just stay cool now, since no matter who of us dies today, the other will die too the next day. That's a situation with a guaranteed -1 scum. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 29 2012 23:44 Vivax wrote: Lol what. I can only check one, and you know it. Also,there was no case against me on night 1. The cases started when I unfolded my suspect list, just that I wasn't sure of Esspen cause he covered you with his vote in the last minute, so I tried to breadcrumb it in a way that town would lynch one of you. Keirathi was simply the next one to suspect. There are still 2 other mafia besides you, and 4 people left to choose them from my list. Your behavior proves that you are scum, too. If you knew you were townie, you could just stay cool now, since no matter who of us dies today, the other will die too the next day. That's a situation with a guaranteed -1 scum. Actually, the cases started BEFORE you unfolded your "suspect list", and I believe they helped shape it, as it's been changing constantly since. I'm unsure how posting evidence (what I've done) is supposed to make me scum, compared to someone who's entire case is a (fake) roleclaim and a rather weak attempt at bullying the vote. You aren't answering why you were more interested in lynching Keirathi than me until recently, when you theoretically knew I was scum, and only really had him for lurking. I wouldn't buy that with a coupon and someone else's money. | ||
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