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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On July 01 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote: Wooooow okay, mad with power much? Do you realize how scummy it looks to say "hey guys this power isn't a threat because it'll be controlled by town" and then say "except I'm not going to listen to people who disagree with me?" No, how about "except I'm not going to listen to people who I think is scum", which you know...is the definition of "controlled by town" Mattchew wants to kill Zealos apparently as well, Nova wants to kill Zealos too if I recall correctly, yet I'm "going to listen to people who disagree with me". On July 01 2012 03:37 strongandbig wrote: Also oby, what do you mean when you say "if this voting system is implemented"? All it needs is for people to start voting, do do you mean "if people don't just ignore it" or is there something else that you would need to count it as "implemented"? It means exactly that, if people don't vote it's not implemented. If only 2 people vote I won't take it into account since it's not implemented (everybody would need to vote so it actually reflects what "town" wants to do) | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
Even taking into account everything both did since you stated that? Please read the last couple of pages taking Greymists posts into account... Now do the same taking Zealos' posts into account... (or just read their filters) ...now tell me with a straight face that Zealos is more likely scum than Greymist. The next time you keep attacking Zealos, I'll assume you did the above, or I'll assume that you know you should have done it. I agree with Zealos with this: On June 30 2012 08:06 Zealos wrote: Your relationship with Grey is weird. It's like you acknoledge he's scum, then avoid talking about him at all costs.. Grey has turned 70% more scummy these last few pages, but you don't even notice. Did you notice Grey did these posts for instance?: On June 30 2012 04:36 GreYMisT wrote: I honestly just don't care anymore. My new plan this game is to get so powerful that no one can stop me, and then systematically kill everyone who annoys me and be the last one standing. Bound to be mafia somewhere in there. On June 30 2012 05:18 GreYMisT wrote: The best part is the mafia won't attack me because they know it would be best to have you guys waste hits on me, and my plan is not anti town. I plan on killing everyone including the scum. On June 30 2012 06:15 GreYMisT wrote: Nova, I dont want to kill people. But you know these slivers have to eat too... On June 30 2012 06:26 GreYMisT wrote: Don't worry, the monsters mostly come at dawn. Mostly... On June 30 2012 09:30 GreYMisT wrote: its funny how easy a win this is going to be for mafia, the town is already killing its self without any help from a mafia beast On June 30 2012 09:31 GreYMisT wrote: thinking must not be a valued habit from where you people grew up in On June 30 2012 14:36 GreYMisT wrote: Indeed. Anyways, Kill me tonight. Then kill zealos tomorrow everyone. kk? On June 30 2012 08:38 GreYMisT wrote: ##Attack that zealos guy with Winged sliver Apparently you didn't. You made a giant analysis on why you thought Greymist had a chance of being scum (which meant that you were keeping a close eye on Greymist, and would likely read his posts to actually determine if he's scum or not), yet you ignore everything he's doing. That seems like an inconsistency | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
WBG, you can attack Grey with your Myr Sevitor S&B, you can attack Grey with your Festering Goblin...but I guess you are attacking Zealos then? (well...you actually can't since your goblin has 1 power but Zealos' creatures have at least 2 toughness) ACtually yeah S&B, you can't attack Zealos (unless you are doing a stupid play like Grey's above). However you still think Grey is a little bit scummy right? Great that means you can still attack Grey | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
If that happens I'll lol | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Scum and town both do that, and you bloody well know that. I'm really reminded right now of Ace vs Zentor in wheel of fortune. Zentor gave up on persuading people he's town and ace said "we have to kill someone who doesn't give a shit about town whether or not they're scum." Now it should be obvious why what Ace said there was anti-town. So let me explain a bit why, in all honesty, the things greymist said that you quote don't make me think he's more likely to be scum than I did before. Like me, Greymist is playing as a hydra with his little brother. For both of us, we were trying to get our brothers into this TL mafia thing we enjoy so much with a cool themed game. Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it is to have put a lot on the line like that and then spend the whole game not being able to actually play and find scum becaus you're constantly on the defensive? Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? I'm going to do everything I an to prove I'm town because that's how I play this game, but even I'm a bit tempted to say "fuck it Gonzaw do whatever." You have been trying to bully through your own agenda based on your personal scum reads, for reasons I think are terrible (see my huge wall of text post from yesterday, eg.). Like, now you are making the same argument again about my interactions with greymist? Can you see how bullshit that is? What am I supposed to interact with? I made a case on him based on the mtg side of this game, but he and everyone else is ignoring it. I still think your case on him based on the mafia side of the game is bullshit and that of he does flip scum you got lucky. So I can empathize with greymist from a town point of view. I think his posts are just representative of him giving up on trying to persuade you your case is wrong. From my point of view, I'm left with a fuckload of lurky null tells with a bunch of decent potential motivations, plus my MTG case. So greymist looks exactly the same to me as he did before he posted that stuff. The fact that he hasn't done anything to try and persuade ME that he is town despite me making it clear I don't agree with your reasons and have my own distinct ones, makes me think he is more likely to be scum than not. I've been typing this post for the last 25 minutes so well see how much I've been ninjad. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
- that stuff you quoted from greymist doesn't make me think he's more scummy, because I can 100% see where he might be coming from as town. - that said, I'm attacking him because he hasn't responded to my mtg based case against him - I'm also suspicious of your play right now for several reasons. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote: Like me, Greymist is playing as a hydra with his little brother. For both of us, we were trying to get our brothers into this TL mafia thing we enjoy so much with a cool themed game. Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it is to have put a lot on the line like that and then spend the whole game not being able to actually play and find scum becaus you're constantly on the defensive? Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? Well now you are being over-dramatic (this seems like a soap opera). I can't believe you are defending Greymist like that...yet you think he's scummy....yet you also think his "scummy" actions come from a town point of view....but you still think he's scummy. I don't actually know what you think of him, it's like you say "Yeah he's scummy because he proposed we play this like a Multiplayer Magic game....that's it. Everything else he made is something he could have made as town because he's frustrated/he gave up on proving his innocence/he's just a poor soul trying to be strong in this mad world but he's being constantly repressed by outside influences and therefore has lost motivation to achieve his goals in life" The fact that you are using so much "he could have done this as town" defenses on Greymist.....when you could have used even more of those "defenses" taking Zealos into account (for instance the "scumslip" I mentioned that he could have easily posted as town, and I explained why) make me suspicious of you. You are defending Greymist for bad reasons ("he's just frustrated!") and trying your best to keep him alive and get Zealos killed despite saying you find him suspicious. It seems you don't care about Greymist, as in, you constantly try to avoid him, you constantly try to avoid talking about him, and when you are forced to do so you spout some bullshit like "Oh he surely must be a frustrated townie who only wanted his little brother to experience TL Mafia and now he's constantly bombarded with attacks and just gave up" and that's it then you continue ignoring him and focus 100% of your time attacking Zealos | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:22 Oberyn wrote: Oh, I just noticed that Zealos could have forgotten about PMing Artanis he'll block, and he may not be around for the blocking phase If that happens I'll lol You wish ;D | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy 2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum 3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done. On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? Do this please: 1)Tell me what "arguments" Greymist proposed that are "engaging-worthy" 2)Show me which arguments of those he did which I didn't respond to He made some comments about Zealos (basically the only scumhunting he did), and I responded back (with huge posts describing what I thought about Zealos) He made some comments about Promethelax, and I responded back as well posting my thoughts about Promethelax ....what other "argument" has he put forward? I seriously don't remember any. Not only that but at most he is the one not "engaging in arguments" (he never followed up with his Promethelax post) (Pre-Edit: Oh I see you are attacking him though.... ....well whatever) | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote: Like me, Greymist is playing as a hydra with his little brother. For both of us, we were trying to get our brothers into this TL mafia thing we enjoy so much with a cool themed game. Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it is to have put a lot on the line like that and then spend the whole game not being able to actually play and find scum becaus you're constantly on the defensive? Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? Woah. What the heck? o.O I'm gonna do a slow dramatic zoom: On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote: Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it is to have put a lot on the line like that and then spend the whole game not being able to actually play and find scum becaus you're constantly on the defensive? Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote: Especially when you're on the defensive from one person who isn't actually engaging your arguments but who has just written you off as practically confirmed scum? On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote: written you off as practically confirmed scum? On July 01 2012 04:44 strongandbig wrote: confirmed scum? Ok, seriously now. This strikes me as very mafia. We had suspicion of you because of the Grey thing. However, the way that you responded to us led to you seeming more and more scummy as time went by. However, saying we called your practically "confirmed scum" and seeming to give up is a very "I'll try and sound dramatic to sway town"ish thing to say. I can't really pinpoint it exactly, but it I never "confirmed" strong as scum. You've just been digging yourself deeper and deeper as time goes by and this just seems a very mafia thing to make. It's like this sweeping generic statement. I dunno, maybe its just me. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons. 1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy 2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum 3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done. On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. Wow. This seems equally desperate. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On July 01 2012 05:03 GreYMisT wrote: The scum in this game are strongandbig/Matthew. Go ahead and kill me for the following reasons. 1. So you guys stop wasting time and energy 2. So you can get a reality check into your system and catch actual scum 3. So I get to see gonzaw wrong You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done. On a non mafia note I am ashamed that my brother was introduced through this game and your spam. Hmm...I find that interesting, I could see a S&B/Matt scumteam, or at least it's not inconsistent. What makes you think that? What makes you change your mind about Zealos? If you want me to take that seriously after you die and were to flip town (which is what you are proposing) then I'd need more than that. I've seen Palmar post this kind of stuff as scum (in iGrok's game for instance), where right before dying he just made 1 post completely changing his reads and saying "after I die lynch this guy" without explaining anything at all. I think you may be trying to do this, but if you don't then prove me wrong by actually explaining it. You sir are the new Risk.Nuke. Well done. I don't think I ever played with risk.nuke before....is that good or bad? On a side-note...hmm, yeah I may be posting way too much. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
Seriously dude, not cool. If your brother feels bad or something from this game...then I apologize. But from what I remember he only made 1 post and we mentioned him only a few amount of times, so why would he feel like shit like you are implying? | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Here is your case on strongandbig but better. Consider me confirmed town. Why would a player start defending a town player? if he is scum he is defending me becuase he wants to get associated with defending townies, if he is town its because he's smart. Simple right? consider his case now. At the moment he is backing off of defending me, but still saying "I understand his POV" and stuff. Why would town do this? idk. Why would scum do this? Because He realizes that Defending me is not working out so well from a "gain town cred" point of view after I stopped caring. He is gaining nothing. In none of these posts has he directed anything towards me. In none of them has he tried to get me to post more. All he has done is try to empatize with me. This is scum behavior. Thats how it is done Gonzaw | ||
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