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On June 26 2012 04:07 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 21:11 WereBugs-Go wrote:On June 25 2012 14:45 Oberyn wrote:Artanis, how does the Attack Phase resolve?
+ Show Spoiler [[...] +] Which players decide who to attack with and which players decide who to block with? Can you attack and block with a monster at the same time? If not, what determines if you are able to attack or you have to block? (i.e someone's "turn" in attacking came before yours) Can different players "team up" in a "same turn" to attack you? For instance a creature from player A has banding....and decides to band with a creature from player B to attack player C or something? Yeah I'm not sure I really get how the Attack Phase will work. Also can players use stuff from other players as well or something (if they agree) like that banding situation? Ehmm....I think those will be all the questions for now  Wait...marv is playing as WB-G as well? Okay I say we all team up to kill the marv-Toad hydra by the end of the next round, marv policy lynch. ( ) Although to be honest I don't really like WB-G's attitude so far. He seemed pretty antagonistic towards kita and acted in a condescending manner towards him (with the "SSB mafia strategy" thing he talked about). I also don't like Toad giving himself excuses for not posting: From WereBugs-Go
Also as already mentioned I'm taking this game as an exercise in not talking way to much again, so I'm trying to let marv do most of the talking while not spamming up everything myself. But that first was kinda weird.
---Toad I don't remember him specifically saying he is using this game as an exercise to stop spamming, the only relevant post I've seen from him about it was: On June 24 2012 00:19 Toadesstern wrote:fine, I'm taking angel's grace 4x instead Edit: Pregame so editing is still allowed right? Anyways I just realized we need a Gonzaw + Toad hydra sometime in the future. Picture LI (was it LI? everyone knows what I'm talking about) combined in ONE PERSON. We just need to get VE into hydraing as well. And if we manage that, make it 5 posts top per cycle per hydra head as a training for us 3 to learn how to not screw town no matter of alignment  And he didn't seem to make it clear at all that "this game is an exercise in not talking way too much again". (If I somehow missed it then please show it to me) He did seem one of the first to start discussion though so I'm not that suspicious of him, but I want others opinions on him.
Also Prob, I know you are saying "Gonzaw obvious mafia, his accusations feel forced and he's too aggressive" by now in the Obs QT so shut up >_> /gonzaw Yeah I was kind of referring to that post you quoted but especially to this one: On June 19 2012 22:49 Toadesstern wrote:
We need more people to hydra. Make this like couple therapy: Everyone has to hydra with someone else for the lulz.
I am going to do the magic stuff and marv is doing the useless mafia stuff while I pwn everything no matter of alignment.
Not posting a lot might be a good "therapy" for me to be less hypno-toadish :p I realized that this was not precise message at all and people could treat it like a joke for whatever reason, so yeah I mentioned it once again to make sure it wasn't a joke. I'm lying a lot in games when talking about games but I'm never lying when talking about outside of game stuff like this or when I'm going to be afk for a day because I'm taking the train to my parents place so I figured it's best to make a quick mention about it to not get some jubjubs later on screaming at me "heeey, why is Toad not posting and marv is the one posting all the time? LYYYYNCH HIM". That's how I am: I am open about stuff like that no matter of alignment and just telling the truth because if I don't as town I'm starting confusion on stuff I can most likely never prove and as mafia it's not like I can do something wrong. And well about the kita thing: This is a multi-life game therefore it's probably going to play like a multi-life game and I know that kita knows how to play those. I never intended it to be condescending. I wanted to know wether Kita posted that first post or you, that's why I was talking like that, although I don't have an idea why it's "condescending". But surely being aggressive (I think it was aggressive and not antagonistic...) is a mafiatreat I guess? This hydra business is real weird though, I'm getting different reads from gonzaw and kita Oh fair enough, I didn't notice that post of yours. The whole "SSB" thing did seem weird to me...because obviously this game's strategy have little to do with SSB Mafia. If lynching reduced 1 stock, but mafia KP could reduce 2 stock 1st night, 3 stock 2nd night, 4 stock 3rd night, etc then yeah perhaps it would. I really don't know what strategy is best (focus all our efforts in killing 1 guy, or spreading damage all across); since both have benefits but bad consequences if the damage is done to townies. Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 01:30 GreYMisT wrote:On June 25 2012 14:15 Oberyn wrote:Does someone have a Green "Gives life" deck or something? I think we may need that eventually if we want to save some of our townies (after this round at least one player will have 12 HP, and may die soon) Like a deck that has those "Tap X mana to give X life points to the target of your choice" cards and stuff. Nova Terra may be the only one with it (since he has Forests)....so maybe we shouldn't do much harm to him (even if he's mafia but has "life spells", we can force him to use them on townies with low HP). Give life decks are usually either white or elf green And how do you intend to force him to give life to another player? Killing him? That will be hard considering he can give himself theoretical life. If he doesn't give life to an "obvious townie" then he'd basically claim scum. It would be like a mafia fake-claiming Cop one game and then saying "Fuck it I'm not checking anybody tonight" to town.
By the way they react and discuss I'm getting a townie vibe out of Prometheus and Nova. Prometheus is just very active in discussions, and posts his thoughts about every matter, and I have a gut feeling on him. Nova is acting kind of too reckless to be scum, his post don't have that "trying to play safe" attitude scum have. Of the people discussing these discussions about Slivers and stuff so far, I can't use that as alignment tells (I don't really know what scum would say/propose, and even if I do it wouldn't matter too much in D1 talk). Those are basically WBG and Grey. WBG looks better than before since Toad's excuse was justified, but this whole talk, both about mechanics and the "we need to stop talking about mechanics" thing seems null. Being eager to scumhunt is a townie trait though, and I don't think scum Toad would do that (unless he changed his play), or more accurately I haven't seen scum Toad do that before; so I get the feeling he's more likely town Grey is completely null though, he's only been sporadically answering questions and talking about his deck. I think I agree with Prometheus about S&B, that his posts don't really say much, and he's not active in discussions or anything. I'm not that sure though, but it's something to take note of. Fulla seemed to come here, "try" to contribute (by mentioning the deck reveal idea and stuff) and completely disappear later without posting thoughts about anything else from the game. I'd like him to come and post more instead of briefly talking about deck reveal. (Pre-Edit: Oh I see he did post. Hmm, I still don't get a town vibe out of him, we'll see how he behaves later) Zealos is null, and Mattchew is inactive.
About players and their board cards:Also fuck it kita hasn't shown up yet so I haven't been able to talk to him, but I think he told me to do this before so well I just will ##Tap: Island ##Cast: AEther Spellbomb
Does the "Mafia KP" 8/1 beast have summoning sickness this turn as well?/gz
I dont get a scumvibe from Gonzaw, not sure about kita though.
I like your choice of cards, Aether spellbomb could be very nice for us. Thanks.
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Oh fuck I pressed "Post" instead of "Preview"
Here it goes again:
##Tap: Island
##Cast: AEther Spellbomb
About players and their board cards:
Greymist:
So Grey's monsters have flying thus can just attack whoever they want? (because most people don't have flying beasts)
That can be bad, but Grey has to justify his attacks each time and if he was scum he can't just attack all 6 townies instantly or something.
He shouldn't do anything reckless at all because he could do that as scum to hurt someone's HP and then justify it by saying he had an "urge" or something and fucked up (most scum do this, they do something reckless and then justify it by saying they were bad townies).
I don't know if he has more powerful creatures, or supportive cards or something, but for now even if he's a threat we can destroy his creature and that's it
WBG:
To be honest WBG has a flying+vigilance card out so he's as "dangerous" as Grey right now.
I don't know what deck he has but we may need to keep an eye out on his board so he doesn't get too powerful too suddenly.
Zealos:
Zealos seems to have lots of flying creatures, but they don't have any power. I guess he can be protected against Grey's flying creatures though.
He has too many creatures though and seems to be taken a defensive position, so we can't do much harm to him unless we kill all his creatures.
If we find out Zealos is scum we may need cooperation from all of us to take down his creatures.
Although they don't have any power yet, so we don't need to worry too much about him
Prometheus:
His play seems pro-town (yeah that was chosen pre-game, but I'm talking about his deck here), since he can just tap creatures from people we find suspicious/scummy.
Fulla:
He can't really do much, but it seems like a way to inflict direct damage, and I guess that is useful. He would need to cast 2 more spells to use it though, so he won't be able to use it this (or maybe next) turn.
S&B:
I don't get it, how can his Goblin kill like 3 other creatures? I don't see it
Other than that not too much to comment about
Nova:
His monster is the strongest out in play so it's something to take into account. I think he's likely town so that's not a problem.
Since I don't find Zealos as an "obvious townie" , I think him having too many creatures may be annoying later if we decide to cut down his HP.
Other than that I don't know WBG's or Nova's deck so I don't know if they can get dangerous, although I don't think any of them is scum at the moment so them being dangerous could be a good thing.
/gonzaw
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On June 26 2012 04:18 Fulla wrote:
Well alot has been said, I can only really agree/disagree with something which doesn't contribute much. But I am reading, reading, reading and analyzing, I'm happy to be considered 'neutral' for the time being.
But remember it's very easy to put on a 'lets find the scum' attitude to build a town vibe about yourself. I don't mean to try and turn people against each other etc. just saying don't jump to conclusions to soon.
Can we please get rid of fulla?
Please?
This post is just like a big fricking happy contradiction where you give general advice and say you are content with having nobody find you town
lawl
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Btw the plan isn't "everyone be at low hp."
It's "everyone has to attack on the first few turns."
They're very different.
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Actually i'm gonna tunnel fulla now until he dies or he comes up with some amazing contribution that completely outclasses all other contributions made in this game as of yet
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On June 26 2012 04:24 strongandbig wrote:
Btw the plan isn't "everyone be at low hp."
It's "everyone has to attack on the first few turns."
They're very different.
Well good luck I won't be able to get a creature out this turn.
Do you have any thoughts about the things discussed? What do you think of Fulla?
Hmm....I need to talk to kita about something, but I think I have a plan or something like that.
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On June 26 2012 04:31 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 04:24 strongandbig wrote:
Btw the plan isn't "everyone be at low hp."
It's "everyone has to attack on the first few turns."
They're very different. Well good luck I won't be able to get a creature out this turn. Do you have any thoughts about the things discussed? What do you think of Fulla? Hmm....I need to talk to kita about something, but I think I have a plan or something like that.
Fulla's filter is terrible and scummy, and "anything that encourages discussion" is not good for town if it gives info to scum. That said, he is über nub so maybe give him a chance before we all start tunneling him to death. We should pressure him but also watch out for people using his shitty nubness as an excuse to coast.
I'm not sure what else are the "things discussed"? I think trying to pile on one person is kind of silly until we get more info, which is why I want people to be attacking each other, to force them to commit to positions on each other.
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On June 26 2012 04:30 Nova_Terra wrote:
Actually i'm gonna tunnel fulla now until he dies or he comes up with some amazing contribution that completely outclasses all other contributions made in this game as of yet
Sorry guys I only have a minute:
My thoughts on Fulla are null, he is totally new to Mafia on TL and tehrefore his low post count isn't much of a tell. I'm watching him for sure but I don't have a conclusion.
I'll be gone for the next bunch of hours. Look hard at S+B, Zealos, Fulla and matt.
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I was thinking of keeping my AE S. on the field and use it at the last minute of the Main Phase (in some turn) to target someone we think is scum to get rid of his monster, then the other townies can attack him freely without having a monster blocking them.
The thing about it is that if I return a monster to its owners hand.....he can summon it afterwards since turns are "simultaneous"
....maybe I could just draw a card instead >_> <_<
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I am newish to forum based mafia yes sorry. I'm not used to people posting such huge chunks of text at a time, and replying. I'm more used to real time fluid constant chat it's a bit overwhelming. It's not a good excuse I know, just bare in mind.
Anyways It seems the more I talk the more I only make myself suspicious, but I'll try to keep contributing. Hopefully steadily more useful input.
Town
Obe + Prom - seem very town to me.
Grey - town feeling to me.
Neutral
Strong - not sure, why so eager to attack?
Nova - not sure - quite hostile, but then probably just low tolerance for noobs, which is fair enough tbh.
Can't say yet
Were - 1 post..?
Matt - barely posted anything?
Zeal - only posted how agrees we should all reveal?
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Well that's kind of the case. We can't outright kill someone right now and neither can mafia. Yeah mafia thingie gets stronger every cycle but we get way more stronger. Picture some guys sticking together on something like day4 and attacking with what they've got. They could easily kill someone in one cycle, so towns "lynch" get's stronger faster than mafias KP, especially in the later game if you have something like 4 o 5 lands and get a 3/3 or 4/4 creature out instead of a 1/1 creature like now.
So that's why I disagree with what Kita said about focusing our attacks early on to not play the long game. I think town's getting stronger way faster.
I agree with this train of logic except for the not attacking part. What we need now more than anything is information. Sure attacking weakens us, but by like 1 or 2 life. I'd like to see who does what.
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On June 26 2012 05:43 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +Well that's kind of the case. We can't outright kill someone right now and neither can mafia. Yeah mafia thingie gets stronger every cycle but we get way more stronger. Picture some guys sticking together on something like day4 and attacking with what they've got. They could easily kill someone in one cycle, so towns "lynch" get's stronger faster than mafias KP, especially in the later game if you have something like 4 o 5 lands and get a 3/3 or 4/4 creature out instead of a 1/1 creature like now.
So that's why I disagree with what Kita said about focusing our attacks early on to not play the long game. I think town's getting stronger way faster. I agree with this train of logic except for the not attacking part. What we need now more than anything is information. Sure attacking weakens us, but by like 1 or 2 life. I'd like to see who does what.
It's not so black and white, it's not "attack X->hurt X".
Most likely if you attack X, X will block and lose a creature, and you won't drain his HP.
Same with someone else attacking you.
What this does is basically destroy everybody's creatures weakening everybody. If you want town's "lynch" to get stronger, then killing everybody's creatures is not what you want.
Then again, I agree that getting information on who attacks who is important, since scum can always say "Yeah yeah player X is scummy scummy scum scum scum, oh I won't attack him though" and that's it.
There aren't any votes nor lynch in this game, so anybody can talk whatever they want without consequences.
But things are very complex this game...since the whole game revolves on MTG mechanics, so it's not so black and white as "people attack other people->we get info and we are all cool and shit".
I have a feeling that there's an underlying strategy that can win us the game but we haven't figured it out yet
(kind of like the strategies from Liar Game, which we kind of went improving each cycle (well...at least improving from my POV >_> ) ).
I think my AEther Spellbomb (and a few little cards I+kita have as well) could be a good option for this.
Why? Because it lets you attack someone without weakening them so technically they can still use their creature later.
For instance:
-I use AEther S on a creature from player X, and other people attack X to lower his HP
-However, next turn X will be able to play the creature he had initially.
End Result: Player X will have the same creature out on his field, but will only have less HP.
In this case, if at any point in the future we need player X to attack someone else (if we figure out he was town all along or something), he won't be weak since he'll still have his creature, and can attack.
With this we can decrease player's HP without weakening them, that way the "lynch" would indeed get stronger each time
Thoughts?
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Of course the other alternative is what I said earlier: we destroy all creatures/lands from player X to weaken him but not to drain his HP...because we are suspicious of him and don't want him to be a danger to town, but we don't want him dead just in case he's town.
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Could we not just force everyone to say who they suspect/would attack? Either way we need the silent ones to speak first.
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On June 26 2012 05:43 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +Well that's kind of the case. We can't outright kill someone right now and neither can mafia. Yeah mafia thingie gets stronger every cycle but we get way more stronger. Picture some guys sticking together on something like day4 and attacking with what they've got. They could easily kill someone in one cycle, so towns "lynch" get's stronger faster than mafias KP, especially in the later game if you have something like 4 o 5 lands and get a 3/3 or 4/4 creature out instead of a 1/1 creature like now.
So that's why I disagree with what Kita said about focusing our attacks early on to not play the long game. I think town's getting stronger way faster. I agree with this train of logic except for the not attacking part. What we need now more than anything is information. Sure attacking weakens us, but by like 1 or 2 life. I'd like to see who does what.
I never said we should not attack. I said we don't need to focus our attacks for the sake of focussing because if we're wrong focussing our attacks is even worse in a multi-life set-up. We need to make sure we're not just focussing for the sake of focussing our attacks. It's hard enough to get a majority in normal games with lynches and voting. If we force people to do what the "group" wants to do we make everyone do what the majority wants but that can be influenced by mafia as well, not to mention that it's giving people easy excuses like "well I attacked him because you told me to" essentially ruining the town atmosphere within a couple of cycles. Not to mention the thread of being wrong on a read in the first place.
I'd rather have people explain their reasoning themselves instead of just doing what someone told them to do. Keeps people accountable / responsible instead of sheeping whatever looks nice. Wiggles got runner up for the mayor-election in LV for saying crap like "I'll do whatever town wants me to do and I'll discuss what I'm going to do with all of town" because people think that's something nice, when in reality it's just a cheap excuse for saying "sry guys, just did what you told me to do" later on.
On June 26 2012 05:39 Fulla wrote:
I am newish to forum based mafia yes sorry. I'm not used to people posting such huge chunks of text at a time, and replying. I'm more used to real time fluid constant chat it's a bit overwhelming. It's not a good excuse I know, just bare in mind.
Anyways It seems the more I talk the more I only make myself suspicious, but I'll try to keep contributing. Hopefully steadily more useful input.
Town
Obe + Prom - seem very town to me.
Grey - town feeling to me.
Neutral
Strong - not sure, why so eager to attack?
Nova - not sure - quite hostile, but then probably just low tolerance for noobs, which is fair enough tbh.
Can't say yet
Were - 1 post..?
Matt - barely posted anything?
Zeal - only posted how agrees we should all reveal?
What do you mean with 1 post? My filter shows 12 posts so far.
Also we need explanations on reads or you're unreadable. Most of all Townreads are incredible easy to do for mafia, so I'd rather talk about mafiareads because they're hard to fake. Mafia have all the information they need and know who's town and can just dish out a couple of townreads no problem.
So here's two possibilities:
1) You are a mafia and you posted that to look like someone doing "stuff" when actualyl that's nothing because as mentioned dishing out townreads is incredible easy as mafia, especially if you're not even explaining them
2) You are a townie who thinks he needs to post something for the sake of posting something. If that's the case those posts don't really help us because we can't read anything into that except for "yep, got the same idea" or "nope, I don't think so". Especially if we don't know how good you are (you said you're new) we can't keep you accountable for something like that.
Here's how this works: You quote something, explain why the quoted part is interesting and what strikes you as odd.
See the post I did about Greymist for example. The first one I did was fishing for reactions. The 2nd one was a conclusion to Greymists answer to my first one and I explained what stricted me as odd so far. If activity is low or you feel like we should move on to another topic than the one's that's currently the one everyone's talking about (in that case it was set-up-talk) you may add a phrase like "guys, what are your thoughts about that stuff?" to make sure people don't just ignore it.
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On June 26 2012 06:07 Fulla wrote:
Could we not just force everyone to say who they suspect/would attack? Either way we need the silent ones to speak first.
See, that's the point. That's what we're doing right now and so far only very little people even started to talk about who might be suspicious and actually explained why they think so.
There's really a shitton of stuff to talk about right now and noone's willing to.
- Gonzaw keeps talking about the set-up nonstop. I might have to say something about that as well and I guess he knows what it is but I'd like other people to talk about it first.
- Mattchew not even being here
- Zealos doing very little in general while being here
- What I quoted about Greymist
- The two posts I quoted from nova_Terra
- You doing easy things like the one post I just quoted
that's all stuff that comes to my mind right now and that's all stuff that people could have different opinions on right now depending on wether or not someone knows the guy in question and what he thinks about the rest
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Yeah Toad, this setup is very interesting, and I basically joined this game because of it, so I want to make the most out of.
So far, Fuller and Zealos have unimpressive filters, but I don't want to get hasty in making a call on them yet. I get the feeling in the back of my head that Fuller is just a newbie and is acting like one, and Zealos is just an uncaring townie.
Basically, I'm leaning on 2 sets of players as "suspicious" for different reasons:
1)Fulla and Zealos
2)Greymist and S&B
1)Because they are either lurking and not commenting on anything at all (in Zealos case) or is just neutral, throwing "safe" opinions that have already been discussed (like saying "yeah Grey's deck is dangerous", "yeah Obe and Pro seem town", etc), in Fuller's case.
However, if Fuller's noob town, I can see him posting just for the sake of posting (like you said), and is trying to find something to post, anything at all. This happens most of the time with noobs, they don't want to lurk and be called out because of it, but don't really have an interesting opinion themselves.
Because of the tone of his post I think this may be the case, but I won't assume anything for now
2)Because of the way they seem to be posting. I don't see them posting to contribute too much, but either to post just for the sake of posting and discuss random things and appear active (in S&B's case), or only playing defensive and posting to defend/explain himself, and to post tiny bits of things that at first glance don't seem to contribute to town (in Grey's case).
However, it's D1 of a complete clusterfuck of a game with unknown mechanics and shit, so it's possible for them to feel bewildered or disoriented, even if they are players with more experience than say, Fuller.
At least this is the first impression I get from them so far.
I think our attention should be on these 2 sets of players, and I'd like people's opinions on them.
I'd also like people's opinions on the "take target moster to owner's hand, attack him directly but let him have his creature just in case" plan of mine (yeah more setup talk, but whatever)
/gonzaw
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That's exactly the idea I'd intended to get across. For the first few days I want everyone to attack who they think is scum. I take it you agree with the plan I've been proposing all along?
To other people - we would all be attacking with everything. No blocking means creatures don't get weaker, just players.
Also should we be signing our posts? This one is me, the previous one was my brother.
On June 26 2012 06:27 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 05:43 strongandbig wrote:Well that's kind of the case. We can't outright kill someone right now and neither can mafia. Yeah mafia thingie gets stronger every cycle but we get way more stronger. Picture some guys sticking together on something like day4 and attacking with what they've got. They could easily kill someone in one cycle, so towns "lynch" get's stronger faster than mafias KP, especially in the later game if you have something like 4 o 5 lands and get a 3/3 or 4/4 creature out instead of a 1/1 creature like now
So that's why I disagree with what Kita said about focusing our attacks early on to not play the long game. I think town's getting stronger way faster. I agree with this train of logic except for the not attacking part. What we need now more than anything is information. Sure attacking weakens us, but by like 1 or 2 life. I'd like to see who does what. I never said we should not attack. I said we don't need to focus our attacks for the sake of focussing because if we're wrong focussing our attacks is even worse in a multi-life set-up. We need to make sure we're not just focussing for the sake of focussing our attacks. It's hard enough to get a majority in normal games with lynches and voting. If we force people to do what the "group" wants to do we make everyone do what the majority wants but that can be influenced by mafia as well, not to mention that it's giving people easy excuses like "well I attacked him because you told me to" essentially ruining the town atmosphere within a couple of cycles. Not to mention the thread of being wrong on a read in the first place. I'd rather have people explain their reasoning themselves instead of just doing what someone told them to do. Keeps people accountable / responsible instead of sheeping whatever looks nice. Wiggles got runner up for the mayor-election in LV for saying crap like "I'll do whatever town wants me to do and I'll discuss what I'm going to do with all of town" because people think that's something nice, when in reality it's just a cheap excuse for saying "sry guys, just did what you told me to do" later on. Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 05:39 Fulla wrote:
I am newish to forum based mafia yes sorry. I'm not used to people posting such huge chunks of text at a time, and replying. I'm more used to real time fluid constant chat it's a bit overwhelming. It's not a good excuse I know, just bare in mind.
Anyways It seems the more I talk the more I only make myself suspicious, but I'll try to keep contributing. Hopefully steadily more useful input.
Town
Obe + Prom - seem very town to me.
Grey - town feeling to me.
Neutral
Strong - not sure, why so eager to attack?
Nova - not sure - quite hostile, but then probably just low tolerance for noobs, which is fair enough tbh.
Can't say yet
Were - 1 post..?
Matt - barely posted anything?
Zeal - only posted how agrees we should all reveal? What do you mean with 1 post? My filter shows 12 posts so far. Also we need explanations on reads or you're unreadable. Most of all Townreads are incredible easy to do for mafia, so I'd rather talk about mafiareads because they're hard to fake. Mafia have all the information they need and know who's town and can just dish out a couple of townreads no problem. So here's two possibilities: 1) You are a mafia and you posted that to look like someone doing "stuff" when actualyl that's nothing because as mentioned dishing out townreads is incredible easy as mafia, especially if you're not even explaining them 2) You are a townie who thinks he needs to post something for the sake of posting something. If that's the case those posts don't really help us because we can't read anything into that except for "yep, got the same idea" or "nope, I don't think so". Especially if we don't know how good you are (you said you're new) we can't keep you accountable for something like that. Here's how this works: You quote something, explain why the quoted part is interesting and what strikes you as odd. See the post I did about Greymist for example. The first one I did was fishing for reactions. The 2nd one was a conclusion to Greymists answer to my first one and I explained what stricted me as odd so far. If activity is low or you feel like we should move on to another topic than the one's that's currently the one everyone's talking about (in that case it was set-up-talk) you may add a phrase like "guys, what are your thoughts about that stuff?" to make sure people don't just ignore it. ///Preview-Edit:/// Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 06:07 Fulla wrote:
Could we not just force everyone to say who they suspect/would attack? Either way we need the silent ones to speak first. See, that's the point. That's what we're doing right now and so far only very little people even started to talk about who might be suspicious and actually explained why they think so. There's really a shitton of stuff to talk about right now and noone's willing to. - Gonzaw keeps talking about the set-up nonstop. I might have to say something about that as well and I guess he knows what it is but I'd like other people to talk about it first.
- Mattchew not even being here
- Zealos doing very little in general while being here
- What I quoted about Greymist
- The two posts I quoted from nova_Terra
- You doing easy things like the one post I just quoted
that's all stuff that comes to my mind right now and that's all stuff that people could have different opinions on right now depending on wether or not someone knows the guy in question and what he thinks about the rest
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From what im getting, there are some fundamental problems with the "everyone attack" strat. The formost is that this is different than normal magic in that the declare attackers phase occurs at the same time for all players, and all of our permanents untap at the same time. therefore by attacking we really are not accomplishing much other than doing unpreventable damage to each other.
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And how many people are running mirrodin themed decks here? haha
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24 Hours until the first Main Phase ends.
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EPT
