TL Mafia LVI

On July 02 2012 17:41 Acrofales wrote:
Marvellosity, why you no lead me to scum? I disagree with drwiggl3s. He seems to be implying that everybody should've voted for BKE, because the lynch was lead off him by scum. Clearly a possibility, but as the day went on I was also getting townier vibes about BKE, so it could just be townies realizing that lynching BKE was a bad idea when push came to shove.

The choice between mK and foxtrotter is still pretty null in my book. Marvellosity made a case against foxtrotter for being a hypocrit. ET made a case against mK for kenpachi rule. Other than these two things both were lurkers. I ended up sheeping marvellosity because I liked his case a bit more. Turns out that was wrong.

+ Show Spoiler [votecount] +

There's a few things I want to draw from the votecount.

The first is that mK never even showed up to vote, so he should get modkilled or replaced. I don't think it's worth discussing him until one of those things happens. Inactives are null, although I have a meta-argument that if the host puts in a lot of work to find a replacement for an inactive, he is probably scum. It has worked in Holy Roman (it took Caller/Toad/blubb a lot of effort to replace Vaderseven; he was scum) and in Game of Thrones (it took Curu a LOT of effort to replace Gumshoe; also was scum). 2 is a pretty shitty sample size for statistics, but it's worth remembering.

The second is that I was kinda expecting casualman to switch his vote at some point during the day, but he never did, not even when the lynch was equally balanced between 3 targets. That goes beyond the earlier simple trolling to being full-blown retarded. If someone would do us the favour of shooting him tonight so we don't have to worry about him tomorrow, that'd be great.

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grush: I asked you earlier who you wanted to lynch. I am unsatisfied with:
+ Show Spoiler [suspicious of casualman] +
+ Show Spoiler [calls BKE scum] +

Into voting for mK with no prior reasoning. Now given the pre-game banter you seem to be one of those players who looks scummy in all his games, regardless of actual alignment (like bluelightz and Zealos). I know you looked scummy in Space Station and were town, because I blew you up for looking scummy (or rather, placed a bomb on you and scum shot me).

However, this looks terrible. I want to know what the rest of the thread thinks of this. It's night, so plenty of time to discuss.

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Vivax: I like you for a D2 lynch too. Every single case you've made has been some kind of wonky connection-based case with terrible premises. I'm not sure what s0lstice sees in you that's townie, but I'm not getting it.

1. You are not reading the thread properly despite being told multiple times by multiple people (myself, VE and marvellosity so far) to read the thread.

2. You are throwing suspicion around on people without giving a real reason (myself, VE, Shiao and marvellosity). While you built a dodgy connection case on VE and me based on the premise that BM is town (can we please lynch and/or shoot BM?!), your "suspicion" of marvellosity is that he is shutting down discussion at a time he was GENERATING discussion. You also don't like ShiaoPi for some unspecified reasons. You are therefore casting suspicion without real reason on:

• Me: confirmed town
  
• VE: slight town read
  
• Marvellosity: quite a strong town read, despite the bad lynch. The way he brought the lynch together was imho very townie.
  
• ShiaoPi: slight town read
  

I'd be happy to look into any of the 3 players if you tell me what you think is scummy, but saying "you're shutting down discussion when he isn't" or "I don't like your posts" is trying to take away momentum from town players and creating a bad atmosphere. That is scum agenda point number 1.

3. Your scumhunting is limited to making connection cases. The only case that isn't a connection case is suggesting grush for a lurker lynch. I say above what I think about grush. However, it's a pretty damned easy case to make. It was also at a time to create MORE chaos in a thread that was consolidating on a lynch (however badly that turned out). Adding candidates 1 hour before the deadline is a terrible idea unless someone suddenly stands out as obvious scum. Grush didn't do that, it was just another lurker to be added to the list. Why? To make the votecount even more dispersed and less useful than it is now? For somoene who likes connection cases this is fucking weird: the strongest connnections are votes.

4. Your voting behaviour.
You said Mandalor was scum. I haven't even seen you give a good reason why on that one either, but regardless of that, somehow your ninjavote ended up on mK:


Note the timestamp: 12 hours before the deadline. A look in his filter gives us this post:
+ Show Spoiler [Vivax defending mK] +
So, you are unconvinced by ET's case on mK, there is absolutely NO reason to consolidate votes, yet 3 minutes later you ninjavote for mK's death. I have to say, I don't understand this move from a scum PoV either, but I understand it LESS from a town PoV: how do you defend a guy and then vote for him 3 minutes later. Best fitting explanation I can think of: you're noob scum naïvely bussing your teammate and thinking you can salvage it with some chaos and a D2 BKE lynch (he made a post trying to connect mK and BKE 10 minutes after his vote).

In closing, you're scum

On July 02 2012 18:49 Vivax wrote:
Poor poor acrofales.

Posting such a huge case and then he gets zero attention for it

I'll give you some:
Get your things straight, thinking I'd be mafia is ridiculous.

Let's string up people for the FT mislynch.I told you the cases against him were bullshit and more of a policy lynch than anything else.

That said, marv, I don't see you drawing conclusions after his death, but you criticisized mine before his death for being premature.

You contribute zero to town except for causing bandwagons, and your posts are numerous, but not helpful.
I'll anticipate what I'm gonna do day2.

##Vote marvellosity

On July 02 2012 00:34 Vivax wrote:




My other question concerns your reasons for suspecting BKE.

Regarding BillMurray:

Your reason for suspecting him is that you think that he tried to start a bandwagon on you.

He called you out cause of your selfvote, and so did I.
You never defended yourself for your weird self-vote, others defended you instead, like acrofales with this lolpost:



Doesn't look like acrofales has any interest whatsoever in even considering a scum VE, and his next post:



Here acrofales says that
1. he doesn't believe that selfvote to be scummy.
2. doesn't want to look like he's defending VE and emphasizes that he doesn't have an opinion regarding him.
3. Goes so far to say that the self-vote can't be used as evidence for anything and that BM's case is OMGUS.

Then VE doesn't explain the self-vote and tries to discredit BM with this:



Then BM answered with this:



What's going on atm?A BKE bandwagon.

I didn't like acrofales and VE after this.