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On June 20 2012 03:40 marvellosity wrote: decided i didn't wanna play a full-size normal, but ppl I wanna play with :/ /in again This is a good decision. | ||
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BUT TWO IS THE LONELIEST NUMBER SINCE THE NUMBER ONE!!! | ||
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Right Marv? | ||
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Who outshines the mod? Honestly... | ||
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Let's do this. | ||
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obvScum is obv imo imo | ||
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And I'm also horribly unafraid, and incredibly willing to post, share reads and FIND EFFING SCUM! Just so we're on the same D1 page, I'm in favor of lurker lynches if we lack a scummy candidate, but my preference is to lynch scum every time. So let's just focus on finding scum, and hopefully we won't HAVE any lurkers to even worry about! Yeah? YEAH!!! WOOOOOOOO FOR TOWN!!! | ||
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"Yeah, I've got this FRIEND, okay? NOT ME, IT'S A FRIEND! Anyway..." lol For my part, I'm going to be treating new players the same way I'd be treating anyone else - I'm going to examine their posts, address any concerns I have with their reasoning/logic, and draw a conclusion about their intentions based on how/if they answer. Obviously it's going to be harder than discerning the intentions of people who "should know better" or whatever, but that's all we can really do. | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:13 BroodKingEXE wrote: You still think I'm a newbie @Kurumi I know spam is bad, but we should put as many posts as we need to prove our point. You dont need to go shooting down conversation, by suggesting a minimal post policy. Just bringing up the idea starts off on a "maybe I should post until I have more stuff" attitude. No way dude, I was saying your post made it sound like you do. Anyway, Kurumi is right. This thread is going to get out of hand fast. In fact, Wiggles has a house rule regarding spam and specifically requested that we try and consolidate our thoughts as much as possible. That being said, I have like 50% of the posts now, so don't take your example from me...but he's right, we need to try and consolidate our posts whenever necessary. | ||
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LMAO Okay, hold up. First of all, My very first post opened with "Hi I'm town". Not to mention the fact that I just explained why loads of posting is going to be detrimental for town (which could be construed as 'dodging posting responsibility'). Now, s0Lstice is relatively new, and you're the one who posted On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. .......I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that you don't have an agenda considering all these factors. FoS: BKE You better watch your P's and Q's buster. You're now on my radar and trust me...no one likes being there. | ||
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And I'm going to be obvTown before the day is through, so you're going to be eating those words...if you're not too busy CHOKING ON A NOOSE!!!! .... | ||
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Reverse-WIFOM? Really? | ||
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Really BM? You wanna walk that path this game? | ||
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I'm also interested to hear BKE's explanation of his actions. I also found his attack on s0Lstice to be not in keeping with his opening post, and his disappearance directly after the attack makes me feel like it was insincere to begin with. | ||
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Let me reread and see what I see. | ||
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What do you think about BKE though? | ||
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It looked to me at first like he was trying to get reactions. However, his turn came WAY too soon. I mean, even if he thought your reaction was "scummy", at least if it were me, I'd want to get others' reactions too before cracking the facade. I mean, limiting his "reaction test" to people who are active presently seems...less than optimal. | ||
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##Vote: BKE Inactives, come comment on stuff. There's already a lot of stuff in the thread, but most of it is meaningless without people reacting to it and talking about it. | ||
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So far, I know that he'd like for us to consolidate our posts, that he didn't like what BM was pushing me for and (I think) that he finds BKE suspicious. That's more information than I have about a lot of people. BM is another story and if you guys wanna get a bandwagon going on that guy, I'm all about it. I'm on BKE until further notice, though. Hyaach, don't worry about "how to play D1's". There's no way to "play D1's", you just play the way you play every day. The only difference is that there's less information and the chance that we'll mislynch is higher. *shrug* No big deal, we just have to try harder...not try less. | ||
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Anyway I think it's cute. It doesn't make him any more likely to be scum. In fact, the last time I saw people using self-imposed restrictions they were town. So like....no. Shut up. | ||
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@Town The reason I support a BM lynch is because he's intentionally playing obliquely and evasively. His case on me was nonsense, it's literally saying "He hopes to look town by looking too scummy to be scum, but I'm not fooled - I think he's scum trying to appear scummy so people will think he's town." And when I gave the (completely reasonable and true) explanation of my self-vote, he responds with "You can't fool me". When it's pointed out how ridiculous his logic is, his first response is to OMGUS and call Acro and I scumbuddies...for the crime of knowing a BS case when we see one. Re: "he just wanted to start a BKE bandwagon" Yeah, I totally WOULD have started a BKE bandwagon, but a couple people beat me too it I think. Now, I'm okay with both a BKE lynch AND a BM lynch at this point...but I'm about to go reread the thread. | ||
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On July 01 2012 05:13 Vivax wrote: Why exactly do you prefer a BM lynch over a BKE lynch? Also, I'm still waiting for VE's response to my questions, as any townie should, they are short and should be easy to answer if he was townie. Not sure if he's evading them or just afk. But he already skipped them once. Afk ...phoneposting. I answer you questions. Oh yes. | ||
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On July 01 2012 00:02 Vivax wrote: Shiao, maybe that vote was weak for the case to start, but the follow up matters too, just cause a case starts based on a weak claim doesn't mean that the information obtained from the reactions is useless. VE, can you enlighten me on this one? You are very consistent in your case against BKE. On the other hand it's a way of looking townie without having to post more information regarding other players. You have been asking people THREE times for opinions regarding BKE, I gave you mine. If you can't find your three questions 'what do you think of BKE?' then I will gladly post the links to your posts. To make it short: VE, why would you support a bandwagon on BM without posting the reasons for it? I would support a bandwagon/lynch on BM, and I've given reasons or it, here. On June 30 2012 19:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually, after giving it some thought - I don't. I think he might be our first lynch today. It looked to me at first like he was trying to get reactions. However, his turn came WAY too soon. I mean, even if he thought your reaction was "scummy", at least if it were me, I'd want to get others' reactions too before cracking the facade. I mean, limiting his "reaction test" to people who are active presently seems...less than optimal. I think he was trying to get an early BW started on me, saw that it wasn't going to work, and used the fact that Acro defended me to switch his focus without "looking scummy". Now, this is the ONLY question you've asked me Viv (that I can see), and you've TWICE now accused me of ignoring questions...which is funny because I answer the question in my filter BEFORE you ask it. So I guess the question becomes: instead of accuse me of "evading your questions" or whatever, why didn't you just look in my filter for the answers you sought? | ||
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##Unvote: BXE ##Vote: BillMurray Skidoosh. Let's get it done. | ||
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I explain, pretty clearly, that I voted for myself so that the voting thread would show up on my Subscribed Threads list. This thread was already on there from me posting in this thread several times even before the game started, but I had no reason to post in the vote-thread until the game had started, and so it wasn't on my subscribed threads list when the game started. I've explained this in two separate posts here On June 30 2012 18:33 VisceraEyes wrote: BM, I did that specifically to get the thread in my subscribed threads. Come on, sir. Reverse-WIFOM? Really? and here.... On June 30 2012 18:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey I'm the first to admit that sometimes, lynching VE is the optimal play. That's not what my self-vote was intended to signify my desire for, however. I literally posted in the thread so it would auto-subscribe. So I don't know why you're saying that I "haven't defended myself" on the matter when I clearly have. Get your facts right, seriously. | ||
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You're sloppy on a lot of ones. Acrofales called out BM because his logic was terrible and didn't make any sense, in the larger picture. If Acrofales is "scummily buddying" me, then that will continue to manifest as the game progresses...but as it stands now all I see is that he's right in calling out BillMurray, who by my estimation should be dying to the lynch today. | ||
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On July 02 2012 00:54 Vivax wrote: Also, for an experienced player, you seem to disregard the kenpachi rule by completely ignoring mK. Kenpachi rule is like lynching for a "scumslip". No thanks, I'd rather lynch someone I think is actively playing for the opposite team. | ||
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Thank you for being more transparent this game. The whole "mystery woman" act, while effective apparently, did you no favors in terms of establishing your towniness. I feel much more comfortable with you posting your thoughts. Cheers. | ||
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##Vote: Foxtrotter For using pointy brackets instead of real brackets in this post. LOL On July 02 2012 03:43 Foxtrotter wrote: I should of phrased that as: However, with his comment of: <quote> I am pretty comfortable voting for him D1. Like, #1 scumslip imo imo | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: BillMurray ##Vote: Foxtrotter For using pointy brackets instead of real brackets in this post. LOL Like, #1 scumslip imo imo On July 02 2012 00:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Kenpachi rule is like lynching for a "scumslip". No thanks, I'd rather lynch someone I think is actively playing for the opposite team. Anyone interested in a nice easy contradiction to jump on? | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:43 marvellosity wrote: I'm kinda liking the resistance to Foxy's lynch here. Gives me confidence it might be a good one. And what resistance are you referring to here? | ||
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I'm still liking a BM lynch bro, promise me you'll look into it tonight for tomorrow? :d | ||
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I'm hoping layabout just calms down instead of gets modkilled. I don't know what his deal is, but I know he's capable of more than he's showing. I'll post my comprehensive reads before the daypost, but I'm available for questions if anyone has any. | ||
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On July 03 2012 04:21 NoSmurfHere wrote: No real point in wasting my time during the night. I don't even know if I'll live to tomorrow. I like s0lstice though. He seems intelligent. LMAO Sooooooo....you don't want to post the reasoning for your reads because....you're afraid you might die overnight? Oh boy, you're adorable. | ||
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On July 03 2012 04:48 Kurumi wrote: casablanca romeo union madagascar bravo LOL | ||
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I'm not sure which or whether, that's just how I interpret it. Am I close Kurumi? | ||
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On July 03 2012 07:08 NoSmurfHere wrote: so you're saying he's an idiot? cool. /:| | ||
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So, now that I have your attention: tell me why we shouldn't lynch you tomorrow. Make it good too, because you tried to get town to lynch me on policy as your first action in the game. X( | ||
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OH THE HUMANITY | ||
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These are the people I'd like to lynch into tomorrow. I think of the three, I'd be least comfortable lynching rasta, and I'd be most comfortable lynching NoSmurfHere. The case on rasta is inactivity, so there's that. He should be more active, he is not. EZPZ. My weakest read. The case on BM: he's not helping town at all. If you don't believe me, go look at his filter. It's chock full of terribleness and awfultude. And now that NSH is Bugs, I'm gonna dedicate a FULL POST to why we should kill him tomorrow. | ||
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Unreal, he was my best read too. *sigh* | ||
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I've fucked TWO games now pushing lynches that were never going to happen, you're not going to talk me into doing it this game. | ||
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BUGS IT WAS YOU WASN'T IT?! | ||
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On July 03 2012 10:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: btw on this list: Kill: Twelve rastaban Ghost Katina BM VE So we need at least 2 more names...hmmm What does this mean? That you're confident that 3 mafia are on that list? | ||
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I'm starting to come around on Katina. ##Vote: Katina She also defended BM, which is not only suspicious, but poor taste as well. | ||
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On July 03 2012 10:48 Mattchew wrote: I cba to give even a tertiary opinion on what's been happening since I left. So I'm going to excuse further inactivity and leave it at that. Fixed that for ya Matty. ^^ | ||
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I've misread Katina often in the past, so make sure she's who you want to vote for. | ||
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##Vote: Vivax | ||
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For starters, Vivax directly supported BM's (dumb) case against Acro and I. However, in spite of me lurking like a beast in D1 and Acro pushing a BM lynch, Vivax never pushed for either of our lynch. Ever. Unless this post counts - I've spoilered it because it's big. And you'd think after a big-ass post like this there'd be a vote attached to it or something...there isn't. + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 00:34 Vivax wrote: My other question concerns your reasons for suspecting BKE. Regarding BillMurray: Your reason for suspecting him is that you think that he tried to start a bandwagon on you. He called you out cause of your selfvote, and so did I. You never defended yourself for your weird self-vote, others defended you instead, like acrofales with this lolpost: Doesn't look like acrofales has any interest whatsoever in even considering a scum VE, and his next post: Here acrofales says that 1. he doesn't believe that selfvote to be scummy. 2. doesn't want to look like he's defending VE and emphasizes that he doesn't have an opinion regarding him. 3. Goes so far to say that the self-vote can't be used as evidence for anything and that BM's case is OMGUS. Then VE doesn't explain the self-vote and tries to discredit BM with this: Then BM answered with this: What's going on atm?A BKE bandwagon. I didn't like acrofales and VE after this. Notice how he never comments on BM at all. LOL I think it's funny because he specifically says "Regarding BillMurray" and then proceeds to talk not about BM, but instead about Acrofales. And now his vote is on BKE, because BM's post "looked like scum bussing, with plans to kill Acro after". Scum. Let's lynch it. | ||
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On July 03 2012 15:15 Vivax wrote: Dude, BM predicted BKE would flip scum when he thought that it was too late to save him. He did that to gain support among townies for an acro lynch. That can only mean he knew about your alignment, and so do I now. Why don't you realize it and gg out, or do you prefer giving us some more info? Maybe you have some kind of extraordinary defense regarding this one? @VE BM points to the next scum with something that can be considered a major mistake, you prefer to pick me for defending BKE together with him in earlygame. I still think the arguments against BKE were bad at the time. They all depended on one's definiton of a newbie. What is this I don't even... Vivax, you're calling BKE scum and defending him in the same post do you realize this? Why would you go to the effort of defending him while you're literally in the middle of spearheading his lynch? | ||
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And "We lynch BKE today" doesn't tell me what you think of Vivax, regardless of what you're implying. | ||
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My read o NSH was based on the tone o his posts, and now the tone is explained. It's pretty much as simple as that. | ||
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UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS FOR THE WIN!!! | ||
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NSH comment on my Vivax vote. I unvoted your candidate and posted a case on another player...your opinion would be appriciated. | ||
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On July 03 2012 22:05 Acrofales wrote: Okay. Lets talk about Vivax. Here's my case from last night: + Show Spoiler [full post] + On July 02 2012 17:41 Acrofales wrote: Marvellosity, why you no lead me to scum? I disagree with drwiggl3s. He seems to be implying that everybody should've voted for BKE, because the lynch was lead off him by scum. Clearly a possibility, but as the day went on I was also getting townier vibes about BKE, so it could just be townies realizing that lynching BKE was a bad idea when push came to shove. The choice between mK and foxtrotter is still pretty null in my book. Marvellosity made a case against foxtrotter for being a hypocrit. ET made a case against mK for kenpachi rule. Other than these two things both were lurkers. I ended up sheeping marvellosity because I liked his case a bit more. Turns out that was wrong. + Show Spoiler [votecount] + mKmKmK - 6 rastaban Kurumi Vivax austinmcc Foxtrotter grush57 BroodKingEXE - 6 Katina ShiaoPi drwiggl3s Bill Murray Mandalor layabout casualman - 2 BroodKingEXE casualman Foxtrotter - 11 Marvellosity Mattchew Acrofales EchelonTee s0Lstice Hyaach VisceraEyes MajuGarzett NoSmurfHere Twelve ghost_403 Mandalor - 1 Adam4167 No vote: mKmKmK There's a few things I want to draw from the votecount. The first is that mK never even showed up to vote, so he should get modkilled or replaced. I don't think it's worth discussing him until one of those things happens. Inactives are null, although I have a meta-argument that if the host puts in a lot of work to find a replacement for an inactive, he is probably scum. It has worked in Holy Roman (it took Caller/Toad/blubb a lot of effort to replace Vaderseven; he was scum) and in Game of Thrones (it took Curu a LOT of effort to replace Gumshoe; also was scum). 2 is a pretty shitty sample size for statistics, but it's worth remembering. The second is that I was kinda expecting casualman to switch his vote at some point during the day, but he never did, not even when the lynch was equally balanced between 3 targets. That goes beyond the earlier simple trolling to being full-blown retarded. If someone would do us the favour of shooting him tonight so we don't have to worry about him tomorrow, that'd be great. grush: I asked you earlier who you wanted to lynch. I am unsatisfied with: + Show Spoiler [suspicious of casualman] + On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote: I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far. + Show Spoiler [calls BKE scum] + Into voting for mK with no prior reasoning. Now given the pre-game banter you seem to be one of those players who looks scummy in all his games, regardless of actual alignment (like bluelightz and Zealos). I know you looked scummy in Space Station and were town, because I blew you up for looking scummy (or rather, placed a bomb on you and scum shot me). However, this looks terrible. I want to know what the rest of the thread thinks of this. It's night, so plenty of time to discuss. Vivax: I like you for a D2 lynch too. Every single case you've made has been some kind of wonky connection-based case with terrible premises. I'm not sure what s0lstice sees in you that's townie, but I'm not getting it. 1. You are not reading the thread properly despite being told multiple times by multiple people (myself, VE and marvellosity so far) to read the thread. 2. You are throwing suspicion around on people without giving a real reason (myself, VE, Shiao and marvellosity). While you built a dodgy connection case on VE and me based on the premise that BM is town (can we please lynch and/or shoot BM?!), your "suspicion" of marvellosity is that he is shutting down discussion at a time he was GENERATING discussion. You also don't like ShiaoPi for some unspecified reasons. You are therefore casting suspicion without real reason on:
I'd be happy to look into any of the 3 players if you tell me what you think is scummy, but saying "you're shutting down discussion when he isn't" or "I don't like your posts" is trying to take away momentum from town players and creating a bad atmosphere. That is scum agenda point number 1. 3. Your scumhunting is limited to making connection cases. The only case that isn't a connection case is suggesting grush for a lurker lynch. I say above what I think about grush. However, it's a pretty damned easy case to make. It was also at a time to create MORE chaos in a thread that was consolidating on a lynch (however badly that turned out). Adding candidates 1 hour before the deadline is a terrible idea unless someone suddenly stands out as obvious scum. Grush didn't do that, it was just another lurker to be added to the list. Why? To make the votecount even more dispersed and less useful than it is now? For somoene who likes connection cases this is fucking weird: the strongest connnections are votes. 4. Your voting behaviour. You said Mandalor was scum. I haven't even seen you give a good reason why on that one either, but regardless of that, somehow your ninjavote ended up on mK: Note the timestamp: 12 hours before the deadline. A look in his filter gives us this post: + Show Spoiler [Vivax defending mK] + On July 01 2012 21:42 Vivax wrote: Ok, ET. Looks like I'll have to do the talk for you: "Why the hell is Vivax using that argument when I've already posted 2 others for a scum mK being an option?Does he want to say that the policy is the only reason I'm doing that?" 1. The scum claim you adressed. I guess with it you meant that he says VE used good arguments against BKE, but then considers him to be scummy for one line of text than really says nothing about VE's alignment. Then he suspects kurumi for 'mafiavibes', that's all. I agree that his arguments are terrible and contain zero information. From this point of view he's actually scummy or bad townie. 2. His low activity after that post I don't know how experienced it is, but that behavior would also fit a blue role. That would also be the argument made by you I consider to not be decisive, yet you treat this as a strong argument against him. 3. His wishywashy post regarding the VT roleclaim. A blue role could react like that, too. ___________________________________________ I'm kind of changing my opinion regarding him after writing this. Mainly because of point 1 .I still think that point 2 and 3 wouldn't be enough for me to vote for him. But 1 is a good argument to vote for him. Sorry if I don't have as much faith in the kenpachi rule as you do, but I didn't see it successfully in action through multiple games, and I also see the downsides. So, you are unconvinced by ET's case on mK, there is absolutely NO reason to consolidate votes, yet 3 minutes later you ninjavote for mK's death. I have to say, I don't understand this move from a scum PoV either, but I understand it LESS from a town PoV: how do you defend a guy and then vote for him 3 minutes later. Best fitting explanation I can think of: you're noob scum naïvely bussing your teammate and thinking you can salvage it with some chaos and a D2 BKE lynch (he made a post trying to connect mK and BKE 10 minutes after his vote). In closing, you're scum Most of that still stands. However, the last part is clearly not true. Vivax, I am trying to puzzle out how this works from scum OR town. We now know mK is town. I cannot think of an explanation for how your vote ended up on him after defending him, regardless of your alignment. I want you to explain your thought process here to me, because the same happened slightly later again. + Show Spoiler [Vivax pre-votes marv] + On July 02 2012 18:49 Vivax wrote: Poor poor acrofales. Posting such a huge case and then he gets zero attention for it I'll give you some: Get your things straight, thinking I'd be mafia is ridiculous. Let's string up people for the FT mislynch.I told you the cases against him were bullshit and more of a policy lynch than anything else. That said, marv, I don't see you drawing conclusions after his death, but you criticisized mine before his death for being premature. You contribute zero to town except for causing bandwagons, and your posts are numerous, but not helpful. I'll anticipate what I'm gonna do day2. ##Vote marvellosity Marv dies at the daypost and flips town. Now why would a scum Vivax bother with such a post and then shoot Marv in the face? Unless Marv was shot by some utterly insane vigi (I had him fairly clearly town in my spreadsheet), but then the NKs don't add up. Seems to me Marv was shot by scum (makes perfect sense, as an active townie-looking player with a good reputation), so how does a scum-Vivax make a case on Marv and then shoot him. These two actions don't make sense. The first one from either scum or town point of view, the second one from a scum point of view (from a town point of view it's just a really bad read). These make me unsure of Vivax as scum. However, the rest of the case still points to a scummy Vivax. Given Katina and Hyaach's behaviour (thanks for pointing that one out, also flew under my radar), I'm going to give Vivax the benefit of the doubt for now. @Vivax: I still want a better answer on the case than "lol, a stupid townie is burying your case under a pile of spam". I'm still not sure you're scum. Acro you didn't mention my post on Vivax at all. We're talking about Vivax, right? Because I asked about him and I posted about him? Why not mention my post about him on the matter? I expected NSH to ignore me, but you?! My sadness...is complete. | ||
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NSH please comment on the posts regarding Vivax rather than just dismissing them. "Not sold" isn't enough at this point, not when you're wishywashying out of your present candidate and you admittedly don't have any other strong reads other than "Meh I think one of the more active players is scum" with no reasoning. Guys watch NSH very closely - he was winding up to lead this lynch on Katina, and now he's backing off subtly...don't let him pull bullshit. | ||
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On July 03 2012 12:19 NoSmurfHere wrote: Scummy posts that defend BM Plenty of players said "I just don't want to read or consider BM" which is completely understandable from a town perspective. Softly calling him town is pretty strange, though. It makes sense from a mafia perspective, since they know he'd return town to checks. Sucks for them that a vig had the sense to shoot him in the face. One thing I am very interested in now: Acrofales, now that BM is dead who would you like to kill today? Who qualifies as scum? Scummy posts that defend BM. That kinda exactly describes this post doesn't it? On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote: I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales. Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him: That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking). I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion. Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads. It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie. And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount. ____ I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough. If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales. So what's up NSH? What's with the double-standard, and why the pressure-drop on Acro? Where was the thought-process from the bolded heading sir? | ||
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On July 04 2012 04:24 austinmcc wrote: I guess I'm hung up on his actions before the lynch not because he defended FT, but because of the way he defended FT and the timing. He posts about grush when FT has 3 votes. mKmK 10 / BKE 7 / FT 3 when Vivax spoke up. Sentiment in the thread had started to change, so it's not like he couldn't anticipate more coming, but we had less than 1:30 left and needed 5 more votes to get swapped at a minimum. The way he defends him is also less calling FT town, and more asking why Marv has singed out FT, when similar lynches are available. I'm okay with Marv's answer that the read comes from more than just the text itself, but I think Vivax's question is one that townies should have been asking. I know I didn't feel fully comfortable with why we swapped so hard. Sure, it could be to gain some cred, but it could also be concern over a really hard push on a guy for reasons that can't really be articulated. :/ I see what you're saying. I'm gonna go reread that whole exchange. | ||
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On July 04 2012 05:58 NoSmurfHere wrote: Stop talking to Kurumi, it's a colossal waste of time and space. If he wants to contribute he'll contribute. Otherwise we're best off just reading his posts and ignoring him for a while. @VE there is nothing particularly scummy in the post of Vivax you quoted. Just calling something scummy doesn't make it so, and I'm pretty annoyed that you haven't yet learned your lesson. If you can learn to actually provide reasons for your reads then I might listen to you, but until then you're not really worthy of any serious attention. If you continue to do so I'll call for your lynch. The fact of the matter is that Vivax's activity patterns and his effort indicate that he's either a townie who is seeking to kill mafia but doesn't really know the proper things to look for (which is why he attacked marv, for example) or he's a really good scum who is pushing blame onto culpable townies. For now I lean toward the former because some of his posts (such as the one that missed the reason for your selfvote/unvote) simply indicate he is a townie who isn't reading thoroughly. Upon rereading, my stance on Katina hasn't changed. I am very sure she is scum. I am also still fairly sure Twelve is scum, and that Shiaopi is scum. I'll post cases later today but these three players are my strongest reads. I have to look at the posts a couple more times to see if I'm just paranoid or if there is a scum, but I really do think that one of the more active players (i.e. someone between ET, Acro, and VE) might be scum. I just can't figure out why I have that nagging feeling or who it is. Okay, this stops here. I've provided reasoning for thinking Vivax is scum, several times. It's not scummy "because I called it so", it's scummy because it's indicative of pushing an agenda Bugs. Like, I explained that in the post! I explained that the fact that he didn't push us at all after that post VERY CLEARLY ILLUSTRATES THAT HE'S PUSHING AN AGENDA. Don't threaten me with "Oh I'll push your lynch if you don't stop", that's absolutely asinine. You think I'm afraid of you sir? You think I'm afraid to die? I'm fucking town bro, I'm not scared of you pushing my lynch because I know I'm town and I have faith that town will see that. ESPECIALLY since you're threatening to lynch me for pushing my lynch preference. Get over yourself. I can get Vivax lynched without your help, or the help of your cronies. | ||
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All townies should be voting for Vivax, for the good of the town. On July 02 2012 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivex is blatantly misrepresenting the facts. I explain, pretty clearly, that I voted for myself so that the voting thread would show up on my Subscribed Threads list. This thread was already on there from me posting in this thread several times even before the game started, but I had no reason to post in the vote-thread until the game had started, and so it wasn't on my subscribed threads list when the game started. I've explained this in two separate posts here and here.... So I don't know why you're saying that I "haven't defended myself" on the matter when I clearly have. Get your facts right, seriously. On July 03 2012 14:31 VisceraEyes wrote: This vote...feels better. I want to lynch Vivax. For starters, Vivax directly supported BM's (dumb) case against Acro and I. However, in spite of me lurking like a beast in D1 and Acro pushing a BM lynch, Vivax never pushed for either of our lynch. Ever. Unless this post counts - I've spoilered it because it's big. And you'd think after a big-ass post like this there'd be a vote attached to it or something...there isn't. + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 00:34 Vivax wrote: My other question concerns your reasons for suspecting BKE. Regarding BillMurray: Your reason for suspecting him is that you think that he tried to start a bandwagon on you. He called you out cause of your selfvote, and so did I. You never defended yourself for your weird self-vote, others defended you instead, like acrofales with this lolpost: Doesn't look like acrofales has any interest whatsoever in even considering a scum VE, and his next post: Here acrofales says that 1. he doesn't believe that selfvote to be scummy. 2. doesn't want to look like he's defending VE and emphasizes that he doesn't have an opinion regarding him. 3. Goes so far to say that the self-vote can't be used as evidence for anything and that BM's case is OMGUS. Then VE doesn't explain the self-vote and tries to discredit BM with this: Then BM answered with this: What's going on atm?A BKE bandwagon. I didn't like acrofales and VE after this. Notice how he never comments on BM at all. LOL I think it's funny because he specifically says "Regarding BillMurray" and then proceeds to talk not about BM, but instead about Acrofales. And now his vote is on BKE, because BM's post "looked like scum bussing, with plans to kill Acro after". Scum. Let's lynch it. All of this is scummy as shit behavior, and I'm not going away. I was right about BM. Sheep me to victory. | ||
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Like, NSH is saying I didn't say any of this when I said all of it. And he's willfully ignoring these facts. This isn't emotion, this is observation. *shrug* | ||
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On July 04 2012 06:30 NoSmurfHere wrote: I was right about BM too, you moron. Anyway I'm done trying to reason with you for now. The first post you quote is worthless because Vivax admitted he made a mistake regarding your selfvote. The second post hinges on Vivax apparently not pushing for your or Acro's lynch. Sure, the defense of BM makes him look bad but it's characterized by him having a strong opinion and clear stance. Most scum in that type of situation won't hardline so that they can spin the story in their favor later. That's how grush and Katina looked when they referenced BM (and the fact of the matter is that there were very few players who mentioned him) Oh, really? So, when called out, all scum have to do is to admit that they were wrong and they're clear, huh? That's cool, because I thought that when people say things, they should be held accountable for them. He thrice called me out for not answering his question Bugs, and I answered it BEFORE he asked it. So we shouldn't hold him accountable for the actions sir? No? Not at all? What an example to set! What a precedent! You truly are a town innovator, sir. Truly. | ||
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On July 04 2012 06:30 NoSmurfHere wrote: I was right about BM too, you moron. Anyway I'm done trying to reason with you for now. The first post you quote is worthless because Vivax admitted he made a mistake regarding your selfvote. The second post hinges on Vivax apparently not pushing for your or Acro's lynch. Sure, the defense of BM makes him look bad but it's characterized by him having a strong opinion and clear stance. Most scum in that type of situation won't hardline so that they can spin the story in their favor later. That's how grush and Katina looked when they referenced BM (and the fact of the matter is that there were very few players who mentioned him) Yeah? So? He said in the first post that he would be voting between myself and Acro, and by the second post in that quote, he STILL HADN'T DONE THAT! Having a "strong opinion and clear stance" are worth nothing if he doesn't back up his shit with a vote and act like he means it Bugs, seriously...you're ignoring the most obvious and blatant things. | ||
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On July 04 2012 08:47 NoSmurfHere wrote: I don't put much worth into posts that say "your case on X is good but I think he's town" because scum already know alignments. It's the easiest way to gain cred. What separates scum from town is proactiveness in pushing correct lynches and stopping mislynches. Marv was obviously good enough for scum to shoot him, so any scum would have interest in defending marv so that they look better in light of him flipping town. In other words, people calling others town is not alignment indicative and it's a strong reason why I'm wary of people posting their town reads without cause. I think it's only necessary when you're dealing with someone who is likely to be lynched or who has a strong case against them. So which is it NSH? Is calling others town not alignment indicative or cause to be wary? Ugh, like I don't understand why you think my logic is so hard to follow when you post trash like this. | ||
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That's why I think it's fucking bullshit for you to say I don't explain MY reasoning and say that my logic is hard to follow when you do the exact same thing, BUT OH IT'S OKAY WHEN YOU DO IT. | ||
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On July 04 2012 09:17 NoSmurfHere wrote: ??? Why are you trying so hard to create a conflict? You're assuming things unnecessarily and that's why you misinterpret things. I just meant I am wary or cautious or trying to be careful when considering town reads. I'm not necessarily suspicious of people who do it, it's just a cause to be misled. Taking something that is not alignment indicative and using it as evidence to show someone's alignment is something both sides do. They just do it differently. My post had nothing to do with that and you're seemingly just trying to find fault in my posts because you're pissed off for whatever reason. If you don't like my posts, go ahead and ignore me. I'm not trying to create a conflict, there's already a conflict if you hadn't noticed. I'm trying to understand what you mean, and you've told me. You're right, I was assuming that wary meant suspicious...but that wasn't "unnecessary", I had to assume that because that's what you said and how it sounded in context. I'm not "just trying to find fault", I'm just trying to understand. Why is me trying to understand such a bad thing? It's not that I don't like your posts, but when everything you're saying is in direct conflict with what I'm thinking, yeah I'm gonna have a problem with that. I had a townread on Katina, she was your top suspect. My top suspect was obvTown to you, like, how the fuck do you WANT me to react to this shit? And to make matters worse, you dismiss everything I say! "Oh, you're just wrong. That post is worthless. That point is trash. You're a fucking idiot" | ||
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You want me to push my reads, but you simultaneously don't want me to shit up the thread in a direct confrontation with you. I don't get it, but whatever....not my battle. I'm through trying to get along with you in-game. We're not compatible in-game. If you weren't such a cool fucker outside of game, we'd have serious issues. My opinion on your question is that it's loaded. There's no acceptable response to that question. All it serves to do is make Shiao look suspicious, the answer is completely irrelevant. ##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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ET's thoughts are missing and this is VERY troubling for me. Not to mention there's no ET vote right now, and I'm VERY concerned about that dude. | ||
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To be honest, I feel more comfortable lynching ET than I do any of the lurkers. :/ NSH could you be convinced of an ET lynch? As into a BM lynch D1 as he APPEARED to be, that didn't seem to matter when the chips were down. | ||
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I've been reading filters and will post thoughts soon. I will say that after going back over NSH I see that not much of what he's done makes sense as scum so I'm operatingunder the assumption that he's town...but I disagree with his Katina read. I want more thoughts from Matt, grush and Adam. Leaving vote on ET unless shenannies force me onto 12. | ||
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12 where did your NSH read go? You said you still think he's scum but you never followed up with a case or vote or anything? | ||
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Twelve does look worse by virtue of posting alone...and removing meta he's probably the better lynch. b:/ | ||
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On July 04 2012 18:32 MajuGarzett wrote: I like the lynching of twelve the best right now. One of the things that stands out to me in his filter was His last previous mention of casual was + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind. He says casual isn't worth a day 1 lynch but for some unexplained reason thinks he's worth a day 2 lynch. He attacks NoSmurfHere for starting bandwagons when trying to find scum really shouldn't be suspicious at all. He also claims to have found FT scummy before he ever saw the bandwagon but never bothered to mention FT at all. As town he really shouldn't be afraid to share his reads. ##Vote: Twelve This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain. | ||
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I'm not crazy right, that response was insufficient? If we have another vig, I'd really like him to consider paying Maju a visit. :/ | ||
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Vigs/hatters should be shooting/bombing into lurkers if we have any left, but I'm not counting on that. I think our killing is going to be done through lynches unless there's a hatter out there. DTs should have a good idea what they should be doing by this point: but when in doubt, check someone you DO NOT HAVE A READ ON. I don't mean people you can't get a read on (Kurumi, casualman come to mind), but people who have content and you can't decide on their intentions based on what you know. And as always, feel free to completely disregard this advice too, because as I said - you should probably have an idea as to who to check by now. I'm working on my final thoughts post, but I wanted to get some of the house-cleaning stuff out of the way before I post that. As a preface though, I think we should focus on FACTS tomorrow: who the flipped scums have focused on and pushed, and what it means. BM and Adam both posted, and Adam at least had one or two good pushes to his name, so I think there might be some good connections in the thread right now to look at. | ||
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That being said, Vivax' activity has kept him off my radar as far as lynches go, but his content and methodology still read scummy to me...this is an interesting connection you've noticed, it's certainly one I'm going to keep in mind. Mainly because Acro has read as town to me all game. :/ | ||
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The Good Guys VisceraEyes ghost403 Kurumi austinmcc NoSmurfHere Acrofales Mattchew These are the people that I read as town. The Bad Guys MajuGarzett Vivax casualman ShiaoPi These are people that for one reason or another I have a scum read on. I support killing these players with zero remorse. Vivax I've provided reasoning for. I was dissatisfied with Maju's response to my question of him...his read on NSH was such that he wanted to lynch him earlier in the day, but then decided out of nowhere and for very little reason that he was wrong and in fact DEFENDED NSH late in the day when the vote-switch stuff was happening (I think). He's my strongest read as of right now, but he's also the one who has the highest probability of changing my mind if he can explain himself more thoroughly. Casualman has almost no content by which to judge him. Yet he's voting and posting every cycle. Scummy. Kill him. ShiaoPi defended BM early on, and has been a non-presence in the game for most of it. My weakest read. The Players Katina grush57 Twelve Hyaach BroodKingEXE Mandalor These are people who I do NOT have a read on. They're listed in order from greenest to reddest…though I'd call all of them null reads ultimately. Katina used to be a town read, but her burst in activity seems as convenient as her choice in lynches. I've moved her to a null leaning town read. I call them "the players" because unless they're NK'd (not likely as most of them have some form of suspicion on them save grush) then along with "The Bad Guys" they make up who are going to survive to LYLO if we keep mislynching by my estimation. | ||
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On July 06 2012 10:07 Vivax wrote: Nice medic save, but the vigi got roleblocked? 1) we don't know if there was a medic save or if Austin was double-stacked or what...why do you assume medic save? 2) I don't know why you're expecting a vigi hit tonight specifically, but as far as I know our claimed vig has shot already and I assume that means he's out...but I certainly wasn't expecting a vig shot tonight, so why were you? Austin put in a lot of time and effort tonight. I'm going to go back over his last few posts carefully - see if there's something there I didn't pick up the first time through. He made a lot of good points though, I'm not surprised by the hit at all. | ||
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On June 13 2012 06:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Lion Tamer (Vigilante): You are a Lion Tamer! After years of training fearsome beasts, you've mastered the ability to direct them to do as you please! Once per game at night, you may let your lions loose on one player and he'll become dinner. Your lions will be refunded if someone else gets to your target first. On July 04 2012 06:25 ghost_403 wrote: I didn't vote for BM, I shot him. Catching up, brb. | ||
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BKE is who I want to lynch today. ##Vote BroodKingEXE His last post is also agreeing with NSH about the number of lurkers, leading me to believe that at least half the remaining scum are active scum. Just sayin. | ||
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I'd like NSH to comment - the fact that neither of us died is either really good or really bad for town...we're going to be able to put something serious together today with all the information we have today. If we're both town, scum made a serious miscalculation. | ||
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On July 07 2012 00:09 Kurumi wrote: Our tries so far were a failure but our work has ended. It was a pleasure to work with you. Most of you. We shall observe, but not interfere. ...and suddenly, VE's town-read on Kurumi because a scum-read with only one post. So Kurumi, because we mislynched you're going to give up and try and shirk responsibility for doing anything the rest of the game? | ||
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On July 07 2012 07:25 NoSmurfHere wrote: He doesn't play like this as town from what I recall. He posts more and at the very least he posts as if he has some portion of a functioning cerebrum. In this game he's done literally nothing. I liked Kurumi's post, it actually made me question my read on BKE. However the problem I have is that in past games scum are identified as people who need to die but they never die, thus winning the game later. I see that problem with grush. It's potentially true with casualman too but he apparently trolls just as hard normally. So you're saying you don't want to vote for BKE on the basis that "Oh sure he's probably scum, but this guy needs to die FIRST" ....is that what's going on here? | ||
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That's more likely than Hyaach is lying scum, protecting his scumbuddy BKE, your scumread? | ||
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Like, I don't see Hyaach defending BKE like he has a green check on him. Not even guarded...like, he mentions BKE and comes to his defense once or twice, but not convincingly like he has a town read on him even. Ugh...and BKE as a check N1, I don't get that at all. Like, he wasn't reading suspicious of BKE at all, so checking him doesn't really make sense. Would anyone guess that he checked BKE if Hyaach had, for instance, been shot N2? Or that he checked Katina N2? I'm just struggling with the whole thing and need more time. :/ | ||
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On July 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Scum-O-Meter The Good Guys VisceraEyes ghost403 Kurumi austinmcc NoSmurfHere Acrofales Mattchew These are the people that I read as town. The Bad Guys MajuGarzett Vivax casualman ShiaoPi These are people that for one reason or another I have a scum read on. I support killing these players with zero remorse. Vivax I've provided reasoning for. I was dissatisfied with Maju's response to my question of him...his read on NSH was such that he wanted to lynch him earlier in the day, but then decided out of nowhere and for very little reason that he was wrong and in fact DEFENDED NSH late in the day when the vote-switch stuff was happening (I think). He's my strongest read as of right now, but he's also the one who has the highest probability of changing my mind if he can explain himself more thoroughly. Casualman has almost no content by which to judge him. Yet he's voting and posting every cycle. Scummy. Kill him. ShiaoPi defended BM early on, and has been a non-presence in the game for most of it. My weakest read. The Players Katina grush57 Twelve Hyaach BroodKingEXE Mandalor These are people who I do NOT have a read on. They're listed in order from greenest to reddest…though I'd call all of them null reads ultimately. Katina used to be a town read, but her burst in activity seems as convenient as her choice in lynches. I've moved her to a null leaning town read. I call them "the players" because unless they're NK'd (not likely as most of them have some form of suspicion on them save grush) then along with "The Bad Guys" they make up who are going to survive to LYLO if we keep mislynching by my estimation. | ||
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I'm onboard with a 12 lynch, but I'm going over everything to see if I agree that he's the BEST lynch for today. We have time. Kurumi, I'd like your opinion on the fact that Bugs and Matt were killed and not Hyaach, the DT who nailed one of the scums. Hyaach, you should have another report. Let's hear it. | ||
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On July 11 2012 07:39 casualman wrote: Posting to avoid modkill The level of "give a shit" you have for this game is apparent in your posts, post-count and content. The fact that you voted for me only serves to make me look better. Way to fail. | ||
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I want to lynch into Grush/Casual tomorrow. Neither of them are to be alive at LYLO. If we're beyond that point and they're both town, we lose. Simple as that. | ||
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Katina attacked casualman pretty hard when she was hard defending herself, so that seems to indicate town casual...I think between the two I prefer Grush. ##Vote: grush However I want peoples' opinions. Is it possible Katina was trying to bus casual (arguably a super easy lynch if she didn't have a check on her) in an attempt to obfuscate Hyaach's check (she lynched scum, maybe she's a miller?) and save herself (she was a scum power role?) Is that feasible even? Grush comes off as scummier than casual, so that's where my vote is...but if the above scenario seems likely to anyone let me know. | ||
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To be honest, I wasn't sure what to think of Hyaach's claim. First of all, I had a tentative town read on Katina, and his check contradicted my read. Secondly, he didn't seem to be factoring in the possibility of millers/framers which is another point against him (read LI where I faked a DT claim and Bugs called my shit on it). After reading his filter and Katina's responses however, I accepted that he might be DT, which was why I didn't want to lynch him. I think you're right regarding casual, which is why I voted for grush before even mentioning it. However, I do still want others' opinions on the matter. | ||
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##Unvote grush ##Vote Maju | ||
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I mentioned him earlier, but he's kinda felt a little townie in his posting. A little bit...way more so than previous lynches anyway, so he fell off my radar. But reading his filter BROUGHT IT ALL BACK BABY! + Show Spoiler [Previous posts on the matter] + On July 05 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote: This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain. I've taken the liberty of highlighting something I missed before, which is what I perceive to be a scumslip. It seems to me that if he were town trying to discern 12's alignment he would say something like "If he's town" or "Assuming he's town"…but he says "As town" as if he knows he's town. Minor, but it's also in a spoiler. On July 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Scum-O-Meter The Good Guys VisceraEyes ghost403 Kurumi austinmcc NoSmurfHere Acrofales Mattchew These are the people that I read as town. The Bad Guys MajuGarzett Vivax casualman ShiaoPi These are people that for one reason or another I have a scum read on. I support killing these players with zero remorse. Vivax I've provided reasoning for. I was dissatisfied with Maju's response to my question of him...his read on NSH was such that he wanted to lynch him earlier in the day, but then decided out of nowhere and for very little reason that he was wrong and in fact DEFENDED NSH late in the day when the vote-switch stuff was happening (I think). He's my strongest read as of right now, but he's also the one who has the highest probability of changing my mind if he can explain himself more thoroughly. Casualman has almost no content by which to judge him. Yet he's voting and posting every cycle. Scummy. Kill him. ShiaoPi defended BM early on, and has been a non-presence in the game for most of it. My weakest read. The Players Katina grush57 Twelve Hyaach BroodKingEXE Mandalor These are people who I do NOT have a read on. They're listed in order from greenest to reddest…though I'd call all of them null reads ultimately. Katina used to be a town read, but her burst in activity seems as convenient as her choice in lynches. I've moved her to a null leaning town read. I call them "the players" because unless they're NK'd (not likely as most of them have some form of suspicion on them save grush) then along with "The Bad Guys" they make up who are going to survive to LYLO if we keep mislynching by my estimation. On July 01 2012 09:09 MajuGarzett wrote: You're insinuating that mK is scummy because people aren't voting for him? That's rather ridiculous. Your first 4 posts don't do anything at all other than give a completely unsubstantiated vote. Your latest post says BM should be shot because he's an idiot, not because he's scum. You then spew ridiculous comments on mK based on him lurking while there are others who have lurked more. You then talk about derailing in a very vague manner without bothering to direct it anyone. Your vote is weird and has poor support and your comment about BM is completely at odds with town goals if you don't believe he's scum. This is a pretty hardish defense of BM, which I missed before. Also this post feels awfully defensive to NSH's sentiment when he said it himself - NSH didn't really direct the post at anyone, just made an observation. So why is he taking issue with this post exactly? Between this post: On July 03 2012 09:56 MajuGarzett wrote: I'd be interested in a NoSmurfHere lynch. I backed off him as I had no support. And this post, On July 04 2012 03:24 MajuGarzett wrote: Don't really suspect him anymore. I know we're supposed to stop talking about the role pm's but its kinda hard to forget about it. If wiggles said he got a similar pm to smurf its unlikely that smurf was scum who posted that to seem more town like and randomly had another player who actually got a pm just saying role name. I just wanted to respond to this quickly, I still have to catch up a bit. ...there's literally nothing. Not one mention of NSH, no struggling to figure out his alignment…he just goes from wanting to lynch the guy to "Don't really suspect him anymore". Why? Oh, role-PMs…got it…the things that scum get fake-claims about. Right. No. This is ridiculous, and after this he switches gears to DEFENDING NSH? All because NSH said he got a similar ROLE PM to someone else? This is a classic case of scum trying to justify having more information than they should. His read of NSH changes based on nothing - but he wants to look good defending someone everyone else thinks is town, so he fabricates something based on BS to justify his read. MajuGarzett is scum. He defended BM. He hard-flipped on NSH to the point of chainsaw defending him against Twelve. It's time he dies. | ||
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This statement is retarded. First of all, I'm town - so if he flips scum then it's not "a bus" Secondly, the statement implies that you have knowledge of my alignment (bus) but not MG's (If). What did you mean by "if it was a bus"? | ||
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On July 13 2012 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: "If it was a bus"? This statement is retarded. First of all, I'm town - so if he flips scum then it's not "a bus" Secondly, the statement implies that you have knowledge of my alignment (bus) but not MG's (If), and if this is the case why is your vote not on me? What did you mean by "if it was a bus"? EBWOP: I forgot to finish this thought in my anger LOL I've fixed it to read what it should read | ||
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The fact that he thinks I'm playing and analyzing is moot if he disagrees with my case and just saying that and disappearing is not contributory. | ||
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The statement implies that you believe that I'm scum (because you used the word "bus") but don't know regarding MG (because you used the word "If"). You're right though, it could be viewed the other way around (that you're more sure of MG and not about me) so nevermind. We're good as long as you're voting for MG. | ||
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I was hesitant to vote Katina because I had a town read on Katina. I don't care if you find that suspicious. Does anyone find Maju's defense compelling? | ||
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Now, who wants to be the one to say "Boy, this seems too easy"? Me, I guess. Boy, this seems too easy. Maju barely said anything in his defense, no one is resisting. If he's scum, I appreciate his buddies being so cool about it. ^^ | ||
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I realize that's kinda an easy, cop-out answer but I'm trying to take it a little slower this game. | ||
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The case is stronger, I'm just more comfortable. Do you not want to lynch Maju? Is that what you're saying Acro? That's not what you whispered softly in my ear earlier. Sweet, sweet sincerity. Delicious intrigue. Unnecessary resistance. | ||
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But you know, whatever. | ||
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On July 16 2012 08:33 NoSmurfHere wrote: I'd say you weren't reading very well when all of your scumreads were townies and your townreads contained like 2-3 scum in them. Acro a baus. *shrug* | ||
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