EPTI couldn't find the detail missing in Mandalors post. Would you point it out please?
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Vivax
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I couldn't find the detail missing in Mandalors post. Would you point it out please? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
It's the part where Mandalor does not seem to remember hyaach's green check on BKE here: On July 12 2012 20:40 Mandalor wrote: @Anyone suspecting me to be scum: Please take a look at my actions. It's common for people that are suspected early to look scummy for the rest of the game, but I feel like my actions speak a pretty clear language. People I suspected or defended: [color=red]BKE[/color]: It was an early vote. He seemed to be town's best option, but I didn't have a good read on anyone up to that point. I lean towards town now, but I'm absolutely not sure about him. bolded it | ||
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Vivax
21769 Posts
Well it's probably sloppiness. I don't suspect mandalor atm and we can't speak of a scumslip cause both alignments can make such mistakes. So much for mand. VE switching to maju all of a sudden is a bit weird cause I don't understand his thought process at the moment. @ VE What more information than you does maju have? I don't get what you meant there. | ||
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ShiaoPi
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I mentioned him earlier, but he's kinda felt a little townie in his posting. A little bit...way more so than previous lynches anyway, so he fell off my radar. But reading his filter BROUGHT IT ALL BACK BABY! + Show Spoiler [Previous posts on the matter] + On July 05 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote: This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain. I've taken the liberty of highlighting something I missed before, which is what I perceive to be a scumslip. It seems to me that if he were town trying to discern 12's alignment he would say something like "If he's town" or "Assuming he's town"…but he says "As town" as if he knows he's town. Minor, but it's also in a spoiler. On July 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Scum-O-Meter The Good Guys VisceraEyes ghost403 Kurumi austinmcc NoSmurfHere Acrofales Mattchew These are the people that I read as town. The Bad Guys MajuGarzett Vivax casualman ShiaoPi These are people that for one reason or another I have a scum read on. I support killing these players with zero remorse. Vivax I've provided reasoning for. I was dissatisfied with Maju's response to my question of him...his read on NSH was such that he wanted to lynch him earlier in the day, but then decided out of nowhere and for very little reason that he was wrong and in fact DEFENDED NSH late in the day when the vote-switch stuff was happening (I think). He's my strongest read as of right now, but he's also the one who has the highest probability of changing my mind if he can explain himself more thoroughly. Casualman has almost no content by which to judge him. Yet he's voting and posting every cycle. Scummy. Kill him. ShiaoPi defended BM early on, and has been a non-presence in the game for most of it. My weakest read. The Players Katina grush57 Twelve Hyaach BroodKingEXE Mandalor These are people who I do NOT have a read on. They're listed in order from greenest to reddest…though I'd call all of them null reads ultimately. Katina used to be a town read, but her burst in activity seems as convenient as her choice in lynches. I've moved her to a null leaning town read. I call them "the players" because unless they're NK'd (not likely as most of them have some form of suspicion on them save grush) then along with "The Bad Guys" they make up who are going to survive to LYLO if we keep mislynching by my estimation. On July 01 2012 09:09 MajuGarzett wrote: You're insinuating that mK is scummy because people aren't voting for him? That's rather ridiculous. Your first 4 posts don't do anything at all other than give a completely unsubstantiated vote. Your latest post says BM should be shot because he's an idiot, not because he's scum. You then spew ridiculous comments on mK based on him lurking while there are others who have lurked more. You then talk about derailing in a very vague manner without bothering to direct it anyone. Your vote is weird and has poor support and your comment about BM is completely at odds with town goals if you don't believe he's scum. This is a pretty hardish defense of BM, which I missed before. Also this post feels awfully defensive to NSH's sentiment when he said it himself - NSH didn't really direct the post at anyone, just made an observation. So why is he taking issue with this post exactly? Between this post: On July 03 2012 09:56 MajuGarzett wrote: I'd be interested in a NoSmurfHere lynch. I backed off him as I had no support. And this post, On July 04 2012 03:24 MajuGarzett wrote: Don't really suspect him anymore. I know we're supposed to stop talking about the role pm's but its kinda hard to forget about it. If wiggles said he got a similar pm to smurf its unlikely that smurf was scum who posted that to seem more town like and randomly had another player who actually got a pm just saying role name. I just wanted to respond to this quickly, I still have to catch up a bit. ...there's literally nothing. Not one mention of NSH, no struggling to figure out his alignment…he just goes from wanting to lynch the guy to "Don't really suspect him anymore". Why? Oh, role-PMs…got it…the things that scum get fake-claims about. Right. No. This is ridiculous, and after this he switches gears to DEFENDING NSH? All because NSH said he got a similar ROLE PM to someone else? This is a classic case of scum trying to justify having more information than they should. His read of NSH changes based on nothing - but he wants to look good defending someone everyone else thinks is town, so he fabricates something based on BS to justify his read. MajuGarzett is scum. He defended BM. He hard-flipped on NSH to the point of chainsaw defending him against Twelve. It's time he dies. | ||
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Vivax
21769 Posts
Now let's hope this guy flips scum ,aye? In that case we'll have to ask about maju's special place in kurumi's heart. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
This statement is retarded. First of all, I'm town - so if he flips scum then it's not "a bus" Secondly, the statement implies that you have knowledge of my alignment (bus) but not MG's (If). What did you mean by "if it was a bus"? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17823 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 13 2012 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: "If it was a bus"? This statement is retarded. First of all, I'm town - so if he flips scum then it's not "a bus" Secondly, the statement implies that you have knowledge of my alignment (bus) but not MG's (If), and if this is the case why is your vote not on me? What did you mean by "if it was a bus"? EBWOP: I forgot to finish this thought in my anger LOL I've fixed it to read what it should read | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
gogo make that switch guys! | ||
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ShiaoPi
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we actually already have a majority on Maju if I am not mistaken, yay! | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
Who do you think are the other scum? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The fact that he thinks I'm playing and analyzing is moot if he disagrees with my case and just saying that and disappearing is not contributory. | ||
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Vivax
21769 Posts
I just wanted to say that your post would be a pretty good bussing post, in the case you were mafia. I don't know if you are mafia, that's why I used the 'if'. I just find it weird that you react so pissed off at that. It wasn't even a case. Btw, what do you mean with (lf)? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The statement implies that you believe that I'm scum (because you used the word "bus") but don't know regarding MG (because you used the word "If"). You're right though, it could be viewed the other way around (that you're more sure of MG and not about me) so nevermind. We're good as long as you're voting for MG. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On July 04 2012 18:32 MajuGarzett wrote: I like the lynching of twelve the best right now. One of the things that stands out to me in his filter was His last previous mention of casual was + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 04:59 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind. He says casual isn't worth a day 1 lynch but for some unexplained reason thinks he's worth a day 2 lynch. He attacks NoSmurfHere for starting bandwagons when trying to find scum really shouldn't be suspicious at all. He also claims to have found FT scummy before he ever saw the bandwagon but never bothered to mention FT at all. As town he really shouldn't be afraid to share his reads. ##Vote: Twelve Looking over MG's filter and found this. He took it out of context as Twelve had other posts about casual and his suspicions. I also see inconsistencies in how he blames others for useless votes and his defending style. Scummy as far I can see. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
##Vote: MajuGarzett | ||
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VisceraEyes
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BroodKingEXE
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##Vote: MajuGarzett You have the majority of votes now, you'll get lynched if you don't show up! | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On July 13 2012 06:50 VisceraEyes wrote: MajuGarzett I mentioned him earlier, but he's kinda felt a little townie in his posting. A little bit...way more so than previous lynches anyway, so he fell off my radar. But reading his filter BROUGHT IT ALL BACK BABY! + Show Spoiler [Previous posts on the matter] + On July 05 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote: This defense of NSH is completely out of place considering your "read" of NSH up to this point. Explain. I've taken the liberty of highlighting something I missed before, which is what I perceive to be a scumslip. It seems to me that if he were town trying to discern 12's alignment he would say something like "If he's town" or "Assuming he's town"…but he says "As town" as if he knows he's town. Minor, but it's also in a spoiler. On July 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: VisceraEyes Scum-O-Meter The Good Guys VisceraEyes ghost403 Kurumi austinmcc NoSmurfHere Acrofales Mattchew These are the people that I read as town. The Bad Guys MajuGarzett Vivax casualman ShiaoPi These are people that for one reason or another I have a scum read on. I support killing these players with zero remorse. Vivax I've provided reasoning for. I was dissatisfied with Maju's response to my question of him...his read on NSH was such that he wanted to lynch him earlier in the day, but then decided out of nowhere and for very little reason that he was wrong and in fact DEFENDED NSH late in the day when the vote-switch stuff was happening (I think). He's my strongest read as of right now, but he's also the one who has the highest probability of changing my mind if he can explain himself more thoroughly. Casualman has almost no content by which to judge him. Yet he's voting and posting every cycle. Scummy. Kill him. ShiaoPi defended BM early on, and has been a non-presence in the game for most of it. My weakest read. The Players Katina grush57 Twelve Hyaach BroodKingEXE Mandalor These are people who I do NOT have a read on. They're listed in order from greenest to reddest…though I'd call all of them null reads ultimately. Katina used to be a town read, but her burst in activity seems as convenient as her choice in lynches. I've moved her to a null leaning town read. I call them "the players" because unless they're NK'd (not likely as most of them have some form of suspicion on them save grush) then along with "The Bad Guys" they make up who are going to survive to LYLO if we keep mislynching by my estimation. This is a pretty hardish defense of BM, which I missed before. Also this post feels awfully defensive to NSH's sentiment when he said it himself - NSH didn't really direct the post at anyone, just made an observation. So why is he taking issue with this post exactly? Between this post: And this post, ...there's literally nothing. Not one mention of NSH, no struggling to figure out his alignment…he just goes from wanting to lynch the guy to "Don't really suspect him anymore". Why? Oh, role-PMs…got it…the things that scum get fake-claims about. Right. No. This is ridiculous, and after this he switches gears to DEFENDING NSH? All because NSH said he got a similar ROLE PM to someone else? This is a classic case of scum trying to justify having more information than they should. His read of NSH changes based on nothing - but he wants to look good defending someone everyone else thinks is town, so he fabricates something based on BS to justify his read. MajuGarzett is scum. He defended BM. He hard-flipped on NSH to the point of chainsaw defending him against Twelve. It's time he dies. I wouldn't say that the bold quote is a defense of BM. It was more of a comment on NSH's logic. At that time I suspected NSH so commenting on his play made perfect sense. I guess I really can't say anything about the flip on NSH. My logic has been given and the logic made sense to me. You say that scum could have faked the role pm but what would be the point of giving scum fake role pm's when the VT positions are listed in the OP? The only way that would make sense was if scum were given a certain position such as juggler (which I am by the way) which would be given to no one else in the game. Also, if I was scum, why wouldn't I have initially tried to kill someone who other people suspected as well instead of suspecting NSH then changing my views? I don't see how my actions in general have been that scummy. I first voted for NSH, which as I have said was someone who scum would be unlikely to target for a lynch. I was against the vote of ET, a townie, and for the vote of Katina, the scum RB. I am still for lynching grush. After that I would lynch casual as by this point I suspect his trolling was just a way of keeping a null read and therefore not garnering votes. After that I'm not sure though I am suspicious of VE for his hesitance to vote for Katina. I felt that his qualms about the truth of Hyaach's roleclaim were fairly unfounded. | ||
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