Bastard Mafia 2

On June 16 2012 06:29 strongandbig wrote:
Nooo KB be a bastard with us! It'll be a Newb 6 reunion!

On June 16 2012 21:10 FourFace wrote:


The Answer is: ridiculous
We shoot and lynch in alphabetical order -> Acrofales first

There are Town, Neutral and Anti-Town players in this game.
Information-roles that check for alignment can be either sane or insane, and will not be told which kind they are. Checks will return Anti-Town or Not Anti-Town.

On June 17 2012 03:07 Nisani201 wrote:
So who are we lynching today?

On June 17 2012 03:47 talismania wrote:
Sorry for trying to break the setup! PS I will continue making that exact same post in every game I play until TL outright bans it :-) (I held off in bangbang because I was scum there).

Now to play normally:

KharadBanar







So basically what happened here was that you reacted to what HiroPro posted in the thread by yourself, then went to your QT and talked it over with someone else and came back with an alliance offer, no?

On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:

Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives?
If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information.

On June 17 2012 04:17 MajuGarzett wrote:

I think he means a player of mafia as a game, not as of the scum team.

On June 17 2012 04:35 Drazerk wrote:
You post slow

On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro

What is your win condition?

Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?

If so, how?

If not, then why are you asking people to join?

My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not?

On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:
Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off.



This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing?

You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB?

On June 17 2012 04:50 talismania wrote:


What is your win condition, and how does being allied with HiroPro help you?

Is your win condition compatible with mine? Mine is to eliminate all anti-town players.

On June 17 2012 05:02 Drazerk wrote:


FTFY

Town don't want friends you idiot

On June 17 2012 05:20 talismania wrote:



What?

So now that you've magically allied - who has been eliminated from "the equation"?

If you're eliminating both town and scum by allying, how does that help your stated win condition? Why would you want to eliminate "both town and scum" from the players you are "concentrating on studying" in order to discern their alignment?

On June 17 2012 05:28 MajuGarzett wrote:

As a mere ally of THE HOUSE do you even get to know who the house members are? I was under the impression that THE HOUSE just wouldn't try to kill you.

On June 17 2012 05:41 Acrofales wrote:

So in actual fact, what you're doing is accepting HiroPro making anybody he likes "untouchable" for you, in return for limited immunity. Lol, are you a serial killer or wtf?!

Drazerk: I oppose lynching Nisani. I want to lynch KB.

On June 17 2012 06:14 talismania wrote:


This makes no sense AT ALL.

Scenario:

"I'm KharadBanar. I think X is scum"

"I'm HiroPro. Lol don't attack X Kharad! We're allies, and X is in the House of Chezinu!"

All posted in the thread??

tl;dr - HiroPro isn't going to reveal who's in his house (if anyone) no matter whether you're allied with them.

On June 17 2012 06:14 xsksc wrote:

What, why would you apologise to HiroPro for that? If you strongly believe that a person is anti-town, and your wincon is to remove said anti-town, HiroPro and his "House" should not even factor into your decision. If HiroPro disagrees with that, this alliance of yours is clearly detrimental to your wincon.
The fact that you feel you had to apologise for saying you'd want someone "really scummy" dead, worries me.

On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote:
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.

On June 18 2012 00:05 Hyaach wrote:
I cannot see the reason 201 and KB are so eager to ally a faction whose alignment is unknown but until we know more about House Chezinu. Anyone dismissing or allying house Chezinu is suspicious. Town win on information. So making informed decision is the way to win.

Waiting on Hiropro's response.

On June 18 2012 04:45 HiroPro wrote:
KB, I want to hear your thoughts on MajuGarzett.

On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.

On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju

On June 18 2012 06:52 KharadBanar wrote:

I don't think a King claim would be in order right now, at least if he hasn't got some crazy power like being bulletproof.
We probably have Assassins in this setup who are just waiting to find out who he is so they can kill him and win.

On June 18 2012 22:59 DropBear wrote:

Yes he did answer my suspicions. With a post that made me more suspicious of him. I accused him of talking a lot and saying nothing, he replied, his reply was more of the same.

I think he is scum because he made a slip that is not including himself among town.

KharadBanar's response: In all the games I've read on this forum, this kind of argumentation has lead to more dead townies than scum. I wish people would take things like that less seriously, because this is equally likely to happen to everybody.

I think he is scum because of his constant apologising which shows inherent guilt.

KharadBanar's response: If you look at my filters in the two games which I have played so far (Newbie Mini Mafia VI and Newbie Mini Mafia VIII), you will see that I am a very "defensive" player regardless of alignment. I put "defensive" in quotation marks there because I'm not acting that way because of guilt tripping, but because I want the other players to understand my thought processes. All the things I said about House Chezinu were directly based upon that.

I think he is scum because of his flailing around based on popular opinion regarding house chezinu on night0 trying desperately not to offend anybody.

KharadBanar's response: I would not call my allying to the House "popular opinion". At the time, there was only Nisani201 who had already done that, and loads of other people in the thread were very skeptic of them. Also, letting one's opinion be influenced by others in the thread is not a bad thing. If nobody would ever let themselves get influenced by good arguments, we (town) would never reach a consensus which is very much needed at many points in the game (though possibly not Night 0).

I think he is scum because of his large wordy but contentless post saying things like "giving mafia information is bad" in 3 paragraphs that make it look like he is helping but he isn't.

KharadBanar's response: Again, read my filters in the previous games. Being verbose is just what I do, it is a character trait of me just like Drazerk's aggressive arguing and Kenpachi's disinterested trolling.

I think he is scum rather than a third party because Nisani is defending him and Nisani is dodgy as shit. Nisani defends him from both xcxkc or however you spell it and also myself.





As for this first post I made which you keep bringing up, I said I wouldn't join. And I didn't join. My actions speak for themselves.

On June 18 2012 10:09 BioSC wrote:


My opinion? That it was a super awesome practical joke! I LOVE practical jokes! The best kinds are the ones that get people to talk about them way after the joke's over! I was a bit cautious like a few others, I think that ET had it right. I wasn't about to give up my role PM that easily! As to HiroPro and my thoughts on him, getting people talking doesn't necessarily mean he is a Townie-wownie, because those bastard scum have just as much reason to hunt down them as Town does! I want to find em both, though, cuz that's how I WIN! And I LOVE winning!

Drazerk strikes me as someone who wants to die, and take a bullet rather than be lynched. That's reading pretty strange to me, I'll be sure to keep an eye on him.

KB, though, strikes me as anti-town. Most of his posts are about that awesome practical joke, and how he wants to make sure they know he's not an enemy, making huge-gigantic-super-spectacular posts about it/him! This strikes me as something a scumy-wummy or 3rd party pooper would do, and either way, its something I want to get rid of! If I had to pick a meanie-weanie to get rid of today, it would be him!

## Vote: KaradBanar

On June 18 2012 10:15 BioSC wrote:


What do you think about xsksc's case on KB? Right now it makes a lot of sense to me, and I know when things don't make sense. Do you think he's right or wrong? Do you think that KB is acting like a bastard?

On June 19 2012 03:58 EchelonTee wrote:
BioSC? Not now.

Lynch maju.

On June 19 2012 04:10 Drazerk wrote:


Why Dec?

On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:


You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

On June 19 2012 05:45 EchelonTee wrote:
npnpnpnpn, just want to make sure you don't do it too last minute.

Maju or Dropbear. Vote em or bring a better case.

On June 19 2012 06:10 Nisani201 wrote:

can you elaborate on this? Is Dropbear dying?

On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali.

I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all.

DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use.

cont.
See here:

KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] +
let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier.

cont.
For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was.

However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all.

As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy.

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Other comments
I am not yet decided on Nisani. I don't like some things in his play, specifically the way he just posts suspicions on people without committing, but I have not yet found anything conclusively scummy in his play. What I mainly don't like is his claimed "extra wincon". That sounds like 3P to me. I have an extra condition for losing, but can ONLY win with town. Any way to win, other than with town, sounds fishy. At best, it's like lynching Glados in Aperture and at worst, it's an anti-town wincon. While I feel DB is a better lynch for the moment, he is not a bad candidate.

BioSC and Hyaach are lurking like bawzes and should be shot. Gonna read up on xsksc next.

On June 19 2012 18:35 EchelonTee wrote:
about 8.5 hours to lynch. It's go time.

As far I can tell, the only viable candidates are Nisani201, DropBear, xsksc, or KB. Pick between then; since it's plurality lynch, there isn't as much rush hullabaloo to consolidate, but you best put your reasoning down.

I'd like opinions on xsksc, because there hasn't been much discussion on him. He also stated that he might not be around for deadline, which is troubling.

On June 19 2012 20:49 EchelonTee wrote:
Vote Count: (in order of voting)

Nisani (5): dropbear, xsksc, hiropro, deconduo, Hyaach
xsksc (3): nisani, tali, ET
DropBear (2): Drazerk, Acro
KharadBanar (1): BioSC
MajuGarzett (1): KB
EchelonTee (1): FourFace

Not Voted: Strongandbig

Nisani to be lynched.

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Kharad still hasn't changed his vote from the dead Maju =/ maybe I was wrong about him. Given the chance for a breather, he uses it to lurk instead of contribute or be townie or anything.

I consider BioSC's vote a throwaway; I highly doubt he is Town. Completely unconcerned with what has been going on lately. Voting someone who is highly unlikely to be lynched at this point suggests that you are unconcerned with who will be lynched, and of the people voting low count players, BioSC is by far the most scummy.

FourFace has also been absent for a while, since his case on me got shut down. And where the heck is SnB?

On June 20 2012 01:07 HiroPro wrote:


It's better than just lynching DropBear I guess. But I would still prefer that we just lynch KB. How do we even get KB to unvote, though?

On June 20 2012 01:36 talismania wrote:
True but let's focus our efforts on finding Maju's partner here. He's the best lead we have.

KB is very unlikely to be that partner based on the fact that he put vote #4 on Maju.

On June 20 2012 02:16 Acrofales wrote:


Also Votecount please?