EPTAlternatively maybe scum hasn't recruited the traitor yet so he doesn't know if the game is going to end when he dies.
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Alternatively maybe scum hasn't recruited the traitor yet so he doesn't know if the game is going to end when he dies. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
What if S+B is linked to Hiro who is actually a survivor but S+B himself is also Maju's scum partner Its not out of the realm of possibilities and it reinforces the whole bastard theme much better (It could also be visa versa but we can deal with it once the main trio are dead) | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
We have the same win conditions as each other... it's confirmed in our role PM. We are mod confirmed survivor to one another, if one of us is neutral then the other one is also. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On June 25 2012 04:12 Drazerk wrote: Hmmm What if S+B is linked to Hiro who is actually a survivor but S+B himself is also Maju's scum partner Its not out of the realm of possibilities and it reinforces the whole bastard theme much better (It could also be visa versa but we can deal with it once the main trio are dead) I'm calling this the "evil twin" phenomena, and it will show up if/when I host an insane game. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 25 2012 04:23 strongandbig wrote: You also seem pretty sure that the game will continue after we kill off Maju's scumbuddy. I never play mafia with the expectations of the game ending unless its an open set up as it allows for come backs and what not Also Ghost I claim that role | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
I'm fine with xsksc first although I'm not totally convinced by it. Both have evidence for and against them. but w/e. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 24 2012 19:02 Hyaach wrote: I RBed ghost last night I'm not scum. A scum xsksc wouldn't kill ghost either. Scum win-con is when scum outnumbers town. Third parties doesn't count. Why kill ghost then? He could get a mislynch on me today, kill someone tonight and try to get a plurality lynch tomorrow. But all these would have been been even faster accomplished had he killed someone last night. I don't know. the fuck is this post I don't understand what you're trying to say. who is the "he" trying to get a mislynch on you today? why did you completely not comment on the part where xsksc found you scum? | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
On June 24 2012 19:52 xsksc wrote: It's all good, it does waste a day, but it'll confirm my claim+result. I'm just baffled that you think this is all some clever gambit to buy an extra day so I can use my mysterious power and win. It's a watertight theory. One thing though...I was free to shoot last night. Why didn't I? It doesn't implicate Ghost because I've just claimed Hyaach is anti-town, and it doesn't buy me town-cred. Explain to me why you think scum xsk holds his shot there (without calling me an idiot this time, pretty please) and I'll die a happy man.  The argument would be that in order to win you need to convince the 3P players to help you out. It actually doesn't matter if you make a night kill or not in that scenario because the numbers work out either way that if you're alive tomorrow and claim, you can hope to get hiro/strongandbig/ghost on your side and outnumber town. So you would choose the route that would seem most counter-intuitive in order to buy as much town cred as possible. something like that anyway. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
DOOO IIIITTT | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
![[image loading]](http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3139/2313512244_c11d6ce7aa_o.jpg) Zephirdd stared at the room. It was silent, but tense. The remaining players were pretty set on what to do, although nobody would spell xsksc's name correctly. The board would read 14:09:37. The day kept going silently. Soon, Zephirdd whispered to himself. Soon. All flavor is just flavor. This was a shameless bump because I was ready to write some shit on another game but got killed. Also this will be relevant in the future, but not for this game. ...or maybe it is? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
Rofl no, find out when the cycle ended. Context bro. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
On June 25 2012 03:34 Nisani201 wrote: ecks ess kay-ess-see xsksc You guys could learn a lot from this guy. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Do you mind saying what it is that you did that made Zephirr post that? You're going to die anyway. | ||
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xsksc
United Kingdom1044 Posts
All my role tells me is blurb about how a sane/insane DT works, some filler about Sherlock, and I win when all anti-town elements are destroyed. Doesn't say anything else. Not that you'll believe me, of course. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18187 Posts
The reason is math, not scumhunting. Everything except this very last day points to xsksc being scum, and a scum trying to save himself by appearing townie is exactly that. However, lets go through the scenarios. Scenario 1: The currently assumed scenario: xsksc is scum. a) We lynch xsksc. This either wins us the game, or the game continues. Either way we lynched scum. Yay us. If the game continues then we STILL have to choose who is the last anti-town: ghost or the mason pair. Chances are we lynch the mason pair in any case. The only difference with starting with a mason pair lynch is that we take out a KP, and win with a bigger margin (and also have a bigger margin if there is some funky KP on that final scum role. b) We lynch SnB. If he flips anti-town we have found another scumteam. If he flips 3rd party, we proceed tomorrow with the xsksc lynch. This probably means we have a NK to deal with tonight, putting us at a presumed 4v1v2 (2 3rd party). This is still a completely winning position to be in as town. Scenario 2: The second-most plausible scenario: Hyaach is scum. a) We lynch xsksc. He flips green and we lynch Hyaach tomorrow (eating a NK). If the game ends, yay us! If the game continues, then we are in a similar situation as scenario 1, but with 1 less townie. Who do we lynch? ghost? Or the mason pair. At this point it is almost certainly mylo, so we definitely lynch 3rd party, and just to be sure we HAVE to lynch the mason pair (to ensure we're not actually in a 3v2v1 situation. If ghost is a rogue 3rd party, then we get another shot at him after the NK). Another option is to lynch into drazerk and deconduo, but they (currently) seem less likely than the 3rd parties. b) There are no downsides to bringing forward the mason pair kill. We lynch a mason and eat a NK from the scum. xsksc flips town tomorrow. We eat another NK and are at mylo. We then lynch Hyaach. The only thing is that we now have an extra opportunity for xsksc to use his DT skills! We already lynched a mason, so don't have to worry about him. We thus fire a DT check at Drazerk. This gives us a LOT more info at lylo. Scenario 3: ghost is scum. Let me note that in this scenario there is guaranteed to be another scum, who is a framer. a) We lynch xsksc on the next night. Hyaach roleblocks ghost again. Now, if there is no NK, we should lynch ghost before Hyaach: there is really no reason for Hyaach to hold his KP two nights in a row (unless both Hyaach and ghost are scum, so distinguishing between scenarios 2 and 3 is hard and should only be dealt with after the no NK night actually happens). If we lynch ghost, we take out the scum and have to hunt down the framer. This probably means lynching into our 3rd party survivor team! b) We lynch into our 3rd party survivor team, who either flips scum (found the framer or his buddy) or regular old 3rd party. However, once again, we give the DT that extra night to perform DT checks. Because the scum KP is getting roleblocked there's still no NKs, so we're golden. Scenario 4: none of our scummy 3some is scum. Similar to scenario 3, but with KP. We just need to keep our eyes open. TLDR: the only situation in which I can see lynching one of our claimed 3rd party survivors as detrimental is if xsksc is scum and someone in our "confirmed town" team is scum too. This scenario is just really really unlikely to me. If xsksc is scum and one of our 3rd parties is also scum, we'll get around to them in any case and sooner vs. later makes little difference. If xsksc is town, then lynching into the 3rd party will happen eventually anyway, and doing it sooner vs. later gives us more DT info. In the realistic scenarios, we can say that at worst it kills a 3rd party (who still wins due to mason!) and delays the town win by 1 day. At best, it saves us a world of trouble. ##unvote ##vote strongandbig | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18187 Posts
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