Okay so I was thinking there is actually a minuscule but nonzero chance they are both telling the truth, if Hyaach is a miller or xkcd is a random detective. In that case we should lynch xskc first because then Hyaach can RB ghost again for hopefully another kill-less night and we can still have town win even with two mislynches.

##vote: xkasdf

ghost_403

United States1825 Posts

June 24 2012 17:38 GMT

#1723

Acro put together a pretty good case on xderp. And I agree on it, but I think it misses out on the most scummy thing that xegad has done (namely because he hadn't done it at that point).

If you are a DT with a red check, and people want to lynch you, why wouldn't you be pushing your red check?

He lied about his claim. There's no way a town DT would act the way he has in this situation.

##vote xfrac

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 24 2012 17:43 GMT

#1724

Because town has already made up its mind to lynch me based on my poor posts all game? If people think I am lying about being a DT, then they won't believe my check.
You realise when I die and flip DT, my red check obv dies too? 1 for 1 is a sick trade for town, lol.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

June 24 2012 17:43 GMT

#1725

On June 25 2012 02:38 ghost_403 wrote:
Acro put together a pretty good case on xderp. And I agree on it, but I think it misses out on the most scummy thing that xegad has done (namely because he hadn't done it at that point).

If you are a DT with a red check, and people want to lynch you, why wouldn't you be pushing your red check?

He lied about his claim. There's no way a town DT would act the way he has in this situation.

##vote xfrac

I don't agree - if he's scum he would also be pushing the fake red check. A town dt would know that by dying he can push his read with 100% effectiveness.

That said we should still kill xsfhqwgads because of what I said above.

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 24 2012 17:47 GMT

#1726

I'd still like to know what you guys think I withheld KP for

Acrofales

Spain18291 Posts

June 24 2012 17:47 GMT

#1727

I like the way ghost thinks. In fact, I may have been biased by having just read xkscd's filter before Hyaach's. If xksscd is really town and Hyaach is actually scum, then xskscasdf is in a unique position to put up a killer of a case on Hyaach, because he already knows he's scum. I want to see that case!

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 24 2012 17:51 GMT

#1728

On June 25 2012 02:47 Acrofales wrote:
I like the way ghost thinks. In fact, I may have been biased by having just read xkscd's filter before Hyaach's. If xksscd is really town and Hyaach is actually scum, then xskscasdf is in a unique position to put up a killer of a case on Hyaach, because he already knows he's scum. I want to see that case!

Why? Any case I made would have been crap compared to the one on me. Nobody believed my DT claim, nobody believed the check, nobody even believed it would be insanity for me to do what I did last night, as scum. (withhold KP for literally 0 gain, i still don't understand this... and fake an anti-town claim)
You've already made your minds up, and my flip will ensure his death.

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 24 2012 17:59 GMT

#1729

Sorry for my abysmal play - GL

Acrofales

Spain18291 Posts

June 24 2012 18:05 GMT

#1730

On June 25 2012 02:47 xsksc wrote:
I'd still like to know what you guys think I withheld KP for

If you give me a plausible explanation for Hyaach withholding KP, I'll give you one for you doing that. I posted above why it was a dumb idea for either of you to withhold KP, yet apparently one of you did it (or ghost is the real scum).

Actually scratch that. ALTERNATIVE scenario: our 3-way tandem is completely wrong. You're town, Hyaach is town and ghost is an innocent 3rd party. Someone else is Maju's scumbuddy. He is a framer and framed Hyaach. He withheld his KP to cause us to go completely wifom on you three.

While this is a possible explanation, I don't find it plausible. The only real option is that Hiro and SnB are a scum team together and one of them is a framer (it's possible balance-wise: 9 town, 1 neutral 3rd party, 1 SK and 2 2-man scumteams is plausible). However, that STILL means one of:
Acro
Tali
deconduo
Drazerk

is Majuju's scumbuddy. Out of these, the only real possibility based on play are deconduo or Drazerk. Drazerk is ruled out by mechanics, unless the OP was lying to us. deconduo used his Phoenix Wright stuff. He used it terribly, but he used it townie-terribly, not scummy. It might have been a masterful gambit, but I don't see it happening.

So that scenario is LESS plausible than one of you, Hyaach or ghost is scum.

I have a final unlikely scenario that has a Hiro+SnB scumteam without KP, and a backup plan for that situation. However, the most plausible situation is that either you or Hyaach is scum. You look scummier than Hyaach.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

June 24 2012 18:15 GMT

#1731

Drazerk isn't ruled out. Hosts refuse to confirm that he couldn't be vanilla townie.

Here's something interesting though - all the claimed and revealed town or third party roles come from previous games on TL mafia except for Sherlock Holmes and Marceline the Vampire Queen.

Acrofales

Spain18291 Posts

June 24 2012 18:17 GMT

#1732

On June 25 2012 03:15 strongandbig wrote:
Drazerk isn't ruled out. Hosts refuse to confirm that he couldn't be vanilla townie.

Here's something interesting though - all the claimed and revealed town or third party roles come from previous games on TL mafia except for Sherlock Holmes and Marceline the Vampire Queen.

Got a link for Tyrion being a roleblocker? In GoT he was a scum framer.

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

June 24 2012 18:18 GMT

#1733

Scum may or may not have been given fakeclaims, but I've actually seen scum make impossible fakeclaims web when they were given actual safeclaims (ie in space station mafia.)

strongandbig

United States4858 Posts

June 24 2012 18:18 GMT

#1734

Not as the same roles. Professor badass was a hydra name I think, and yugioh was that weird joat thing. Just the role names.

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 24 2012 18:21 GMT

#1735

Wait, is there still another half cycle? I'm a bit mixed up, was waiting for the flip lol.

xsksc

United Kingdom1044 Posts

June 24 2012 18:28 GMT

#1736

Ah whatever, I'm going to bed I'll find out tomorow.

Nisani201

United States1400 Posts

June 24 2012 18:34 GMT

#1737

ecks ess kay-ess-see

xsksc

Acrofales

Spain18291 Posts

June 24 2012 18:34 GMT

#1738

On June 25 2012 03:28 xsksc wrote:
Ah whatever, I'm going to bed I'll find out tomorow.

Find out what? Your own alignment?

Acrofales

Spain18291 Posts

June 24 2012 18:36 GMT

#1739

And yes, there is still half a day left. Days are 48 hours. Not sure I want them shortened yet. Depends a bit on your flip tomorrow, but having some time to think this through is not a bad thing.