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Mordanis
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States893 Posts
June 06 2012 22:45 GMT
#21
Now Release is just rubbing it in. Nice, why don't you kill my goldfish while you're at it? + Show Spoiler +
I love the smell of napalm in the morning... it smells like... victory. -_^ Favorite SC2 match ->Liquid`HerO vs. SlayerS CranK g.1 @MLG Summer Championship
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
June 06 2012 22:45 GMT
#22
wooo release. glad to see you're /in
ATOBTTR
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 07 2012 00:42 GMT
#23
On June 07 2012 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
/in please

No.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
June 07 2012 00:46 GMT
#24
On June 07 2012 02:56 prplhz wrote:
GMarhsal has the best setups.

gl to all the people playing

To be fair, this setup isn't mine, its slice of pie from mafiascum, and I in turn borrowed it from one of the older minis here (I forget the exact number)

Carry on!
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 07 2012 01:12 GMT
#25
On June 07 2012 09:46 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 02:56 prplhz wrote:
GMarhsal has the best setups.

gl to all the people playing

To be fair, this setup isn't mine, its slice of pie from mafiascum, and I in turn borrowed it from one of the older minis here (I forget the exact number)

Carry on!

you're 12 player f11 is way better though. That's why I hosted that one!
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
June 07 2012 01:24 GMT
#26
Hey GM and or ET

"1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Townie, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Townie"

To me this seems a little odd. I assume they are both in there because they are supposedly equally balanced but how can you have the same number of mafia in both but one has two blues whilst the other has none. Surely the setup with the blues is either overpowered or the one without is under-powered?

Maybe I am having a logic fail but it just looks weird to me.
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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
June 07 2012 01:28 GMT
#27
On June 07 2012 10:24 Probulous wrote:
Hey GM and or ET

"1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Townie, 1 Medic, 1 Detective
1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 7 Townie"

To me this seems a little odd. I assume they are both in there because they are supposedly equally balanced but how can you have the same number of mafia in both but one has two blues whilst the other has none. Surely the setup with the blues is either overpowered or the one without is under-powered?

Maybe I am having a logic fail but it just looks weird to me.

Town is weaker in the one with no blues, but scum have to account for the possibility of there being two blues for the entire game, which sort of makes up for it. Town is a little weak in that setup, but its not a crippling "weaker" thanks to the variable setups its still ok.

Basically, its due to the fact that there isn't so much an exact point of balance in the game as a "sweetspot" where the game is balanced, and any of the setups that comes up (thanks to the semi-open nature of the game) is going to be balanced, even though some setups slightly favor one team.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 07 2012 01:29 GMT
#28
it has to do with knowledge.

If only one of the setups was there then mafia would know which power roles to expect. You're right in that between the two town is more powerful in one over the other but mafia don't know which one is the one they're playing if the two exist like that.

That issue is why I prefer the C9++-esque randomization of a setup, since in theory all the setups are equally balanced and almost anything (by way of power roles) is possible.

Also ET I'm willing to coach for either side. that was my /in

+ Show Spoiler +
but no really I wanna play too
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 03:05:16
June 07 2012 03:04 GMT
#29
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
I'll have what he's having.
☺
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
June 07 2012 04:03 GMT
#30
I volunteer to cohost if you still need it
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 07 2012 04:52 GMT
#31
Currently out, but as an update, Marv will Co-host and wbg/probe will coach. Sorry Nav ><
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22311 Posts
June 07 2012 07:02 GMT
#32
Why is there a setup with a roleblocker when the townie setup doesn't even have a blue, might aswell replace the roleblocker in that setup with a standard goon.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 07 2012 09:03 GMT
#33
Read above: if there's 2 goons then mafia know there's no blues. In the current setup the mafia don't know if there are or aren't blues. Simple knowledge affects balance.

EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 10:08:39
June 07 2012 09:11 GMT
#34
Well, there are the other two setups where there are two goons, so they wouldn't automatically know that. However, if only 1 setup had a roleblocker, than Mafia would know that there are 2 blues against them.

The point stands though, that as an information game, having the RBer there makes the mafia team have to consider the possibility of two blues against them. Thus they have to consider who to RB, if they should RB and shoot, etc. But if they end up RBing someone who looks quite townie, and that townie claims the RB, then they might gain more cred. Additionally, if the mafia team realizes there is no blue, they can fake claim the RB N2 or N3, lending some cred.

Short answer: it introduces more possibilities, and forces the scum team to think more.

The questions are good; it's important to consider these things ahead of time. ^^


I am considering the setup's balance, so I may change the setup pending discussion.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 07 2012 09:24 GMT
#35
On June 07 2012 09:46 GMarshal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 02:56 prplhz wrote:
GMarhsal has the best setups.

gl to all the people playing

To be fair, this setup isn't mine, its slice of pie from mafiascum, and I in turn borrowed it from one of the older minis here (I forget the exact number)

Carry on!

Oh I know I just wanted to make fun of how EchelonTee misspelled your handle
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 10:25:43
June 07 2012 09:48 GMT
#36
On June 07 2012 18:24 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2012 09:46 GMarshal wrote:
On June 07 2012 02:56 prplhz wrote:
GMarhsal has the best setups.

gl to all the people playing

To be fair, this setup isn't mine, its slice of pie from mafiascum, and I in turn borrowed it from one of the older minis here (I forget the exact number)

Carry on!

Oh I know I just wanted to make fun of how EchelonTee misspelled your handle

WOW I didn't notice until now T_T Please point out other typos I made or are soon to make.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 07 2012 10:26 GMT
#37
You will soon typo "prplhz" as "annoying spelling nazi".
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 07 2012 10:27 GMT
#38
Probulous will be the scum coach, while wherebugsgo will be the town coach. Please consult them if you need help or some direction during the game, as they are both quite skilled. There are links to PM them, embedded in their names in the OP.

This game will be Prince of Persia themed, because PoP is the best.

Currently 1 slot remaining! I may consider expanding the game to 10 players, depending on interest.


The deadline is going to be set at 23:00 GMT (+00:00). Please let me know if this time will be an issue for you.

The game will start this Friday.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 07 2012 11:11 GMT
#39
Am I allowed to /in with another newbie game still running? Would out me up to 3 newbie games then.
LiquidDota Staff@TW_ShiaoPi
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5260 Posts
June 07 2012 11:18 GMT
#40
I'm fine with it, if Toad is also fine with it.

There will be more newbie games to be had, so don't feel a need to rush into this game unless you are sure you will have time to play in both.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
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