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I was suspicious of Navillus but looking through his filter I feel I was wrong, and I don't find him suspicious right now. Ghost's suspicion went down a bit after clarifying he was sarcastic, which I took a bit too serious, but he is still on the radar until further contributions. Hyaach is like the perfect mislynch candidate: His posts are generally confused. Town is confused because they don't know who their allies are and who their enemies are. Mafia knows who their allies are and who their enemies are, therefore a newbie being confused is a town trait in my eyes.
So who DO I want to see hang? I'd like to take a closer look at Zelblade. Pandain pointed at him too and I agree with the assertion that he's been too lurky, even if he has been busy. His posts have left a bad impression on me, such as how he basically played a question game and let everyone else do the work for him in the start before making a statement, therefore having more information and being able to make a more 'safe' post. Also goes after Hyaach, pandain, and generally seems to follow the flow, though this is supposedly his natural town play, that's not something I'm accepting this easily and I want to see him step up his posting as he said he will.
I also find Katina mildly suspicious for reasons stated above in my earlier case.
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Well, that's interesting.
Gonna have to think about what this means, but will do so later. Gotta go to bed now and get up early for tomorrow, Dutch Championships of gaming. No clue when I'll be able to jump in and post, it's a two day event but I don't think I'll get past day one. See y'all tomorrow.
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This shit is confusing the fuck out of me and I don't have enough time to read things through thoroughly at this time. My initial read on Hyaach was that his early comments were too dumb to be mafia. His RB claim after BH claimed to be RBed also feels like it's not something a mafia would do. Either he's playing dumb, or he's telling the truth. I wasn't planning on killing BH today but with no day kills it feels like someone has to be lying. The thing with BH not instantly bussing Pandain after his claim doesn't work in his favor either. My gut says Blazinghand, and that's where my vote goes.
##Vote: Blazinghand
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Okay, it seems that for Hyaach to be town there needs to be both a Town roleblocker and a Jailkeeper. For Blazinghand's claim, there just needs to be a vig and a mafia roleblocker. Going to go occam's razor on this.
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I'm around but I don't think I can help you much right now. Hopefully the people who haven't voted yet show up or we might have a no lynch and this'll drag over to the next day. Losing some lurkers/inactives to modkills isn't that bad though since it'd be tough to get a read on them anyway. Just hope there's scum in there.
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On June 09 2012 21:39 Shraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay, it seems that for Hyaach to be town there needs to be both a Town roleblocker and a Jailkeeper. For Blazinghand's claim, there just needs to be a vig and a mafia roleblocker. Going to go occam's razor on this.
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##Vote: Hyaach It is not that easy. If you assume that there is only a vig and a Mafia RB, you would still have to explain why Hyaach would lie about getting getting about 5-6 hours after BH had already claimed his roleblock. It makes no sense to lie about that as scum.
It was looking like either one of them was going to get lynched. Claiming a power role if you know mafia has one isn't a bad idea, especially if it means you either get the other guy mislynched first or expose a town power role that was forced to counterclaim. It seems like a decent strategy from the position he was in.
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On June 10 2012 06:01 Shraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 05:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 09 2012 21:39 Shraft wrote:On June 09 2012 20:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay, it seems that for Hyaach to be town there needs to be both a Town roleblocker and a Jailkeeper. For Blazinghand's claim, there just needs to be a vig and a mafia roleblocker. Going to go occam's razor on this.
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##Vote: Hyaach It is not that easy. If you assume that there is only a vig and a Mafia RB, you would still have to explain why Hyaach would lie about getting getting about 5-6 hours after BH had already claimed his roleblock. It makes no sense to lie about that as scum. It was looking like either one of them was going to get lynched. Claiming a power role if you know mafia has one isn't a bad idea, especially if it means you either get the other guy mislynched first or expose a town power role that was forced to counterclaim. It seems like a decent strategy from the position he was in. If you read more carefully, you'll notice that I am talking about his RB claim, not his JK claim.
Ah, my bad. Guess I have an hour to think about that and read back a bit.
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Goddamn this feels like a repeat of Day 1.
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Can someone please say something really smart so I don't have to doubt anymore? I've got a scumread on someone that makes me feel BH should be mafia (don't ask me to expand on it, I'm planning on posting it on the last night hour) and it just feels that with Hyaach's English skills (no offense) he wouldn't fabricate so many tales and go through loops, as well as fakeclaim JK and get RBed. Yet for him to be town there needs to be a JK and a town RBer. BH's behavior has also been decent so far. Seriously torn.
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1) He's on the verge of arguing himself out of a no night kill situation, and he can fall back on not getting his shot refunded if he gets roleblocked once. He could always claim being RBed and at worst he'd trade himself for a RBer, at best he'd get town cred.
2) I don't think there's an SK in this game, especially given there were no night kills.
He didn't have that much pressure on him when he claimed he was RBed at all, in fact it looked like furer was going to take up the heat. I can see how he would feel pressured by thinking a Roleblocker might claim to have blocked him, but then why claim JK? It doesn't make sense from a game setup perspective as it's a very unlikely role to be present given the other roles that'd have to be present too.
Blazinghand isn't particularly afraid of making risky plays. The question is not if Town would lynch him for it, but if Blazinghand thinks he could get away with it if he was scum. Given he could make this play as both town and scum, I don't think you're giving him enough credit here.
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I'm aware of that Snarfs, that's why I'm not pushing for it unless I see BH flip red or hyaach flip green (which I feel pretty much guarantees BH is red given the amount of power roles neccesary to make both innocent)
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We need at least one more person in here that hasn't voted yet or have someone switch from BH to hyaach. If no one's here I'm willing to switch to BH to make at least one of these two die today.
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Will we still need 7 to lynch if the people who haven't voted get modkilled?
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Oh wait there's only one that gets modkilled currently, which is furer. Question still stands though.
@Snarfs mod said we need 7.
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Alright then. In that case I'm fine with my vote. Since I have completely no clue which of you two is mafia and BH's going to be more useful to town if he's town, I'm sticking with Hyaach.
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GJ Blazinghand, you're dead tomorrow tho
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+ Show Spoiler [Offtopic Euro 2012] +Because Robben and Van Persie are amazing choke artists when it comes to the national team. They should just put Huntelaar and Kuijt in the starting 11 instead 
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I think VE should claim mod as role.
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After rereading the filters of my suspect my scum read became a blue read. Needless to say I won't be sharing who I had the read on.
I'm going to reread Katina's filter now. Also going to reread why I was so convinced one of BH and Hyaach was scum and what would be neccesary to accomodate both being town. If it's just another Town RBer, it might not be as far fetched as I originally thought. I'd rather not have the lynch locked up immediately without thought as that way we'd basically waste a day.
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