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On June 11 2012 14:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: So it's N1. I'd vote on cop checking Kenpachi since I recall him generally doing nothing and always just posting "I'm town" Any suggestions? Directing blue roles now are we RoL ? But while we're at it I'd say Wiggles would also be a decent choice because for some reason I can't seem to get a solid read on him lately. | ||
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On June 11 2012 14:52 payl wrote: Doctor - "You can be Sane, Insane, Paranoid or Weak." Btw, hi. wait what? I'm actually not familiar with doctor sanity. How does a Sane Doctor act VS an Insane Doctor? | ||
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On June 12 2012 04:26 Toadesstern wrote: I thought so as well until I realized there can be framers in this game The op has no framers in it but they're possible because it's apparently a closed-setup with example roles. Especially if we follow the miller plan from gonzaw that is bound to fail because if we assign the guy who shoots based on being a miller and the fact that it should return red (as you pointet out no mafia will return red AND are able to shoot) we're painting a big, red cross above the millers head for a framer. Wait why would you want to frame a miller? I've thought about it a bit and I don't really see a downside of millers claiming especially if we give them a designated target. | ||
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On June 12 2012 04:39 Toadesstern wrote: if you frame a miller he returns green like a GF would. A miller should return red but we know he can't be a mafia guy unless he's GF so the shot of a miller proves he is either a townie or a GF. If he returns green to a DT check he looks like a GF and not like a miller who should return red on checks. Yeah this is true if the cop is sane. We have varied sanity so I wouldn't put that much stock if someone claimed miller a check turned them green. Even if it's actually the gf we still have the fact that the cop may be naive. | ||
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On June 12 2012 15:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm wondering what's likely here: RoL is SK who fake-claimed Miller to avoid DT checks and claimed to have his gun taken so he can't make good on his promise to shoot Toad... ...or... RoL is Miller who actually had his gun taken away. Anyone wanna wildly speculate with me? RoL I'm guessing you're still firmly in the "Miller" camp... Wait help me follow the logic here, if RoL is SK then he has to shoot, so he fakes having his gun stolen and shoots FreelanceSatan. Scum take a shot at him and he gets saved? It does seem possible, and I wouldn't put it past RoL to pull something ballsy like that. I'm very leery of the "my gun is stolen claim." Whatever happened, it's certain he doesn't have a gun now but that doesn't preclude him being sk and faking in a ballsy manner. I'd like for someone to summarize the major points on gonzaw, using quotes if that's possible. From what I saw, bugs wanted to kill him and several people pilled on. Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first 24 hours of a cycle, you will be shot the following cycle If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: On June 12 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion? There needs to be some deliberation behind peoples shots. If everyone just goes rambo then we'll never actually get a chance to scumhunt. Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. | ||
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On June 12 2012 20:54 marvellosity wrote: Well the difference is, Meapak, that yours was a tad wishy washy. The sentiment behind kitaman's post is clear. If town signals its ABSOLUTE INTENT to punish with the highest form of punishment, then it discourages rogue shooters. I'm fairly sure kita recognises your 'concerns', but the point is it discourages an anti-town mode of doing things. If you explicitly say, 'well, except in this case, or the result is this' then you weaken the sentiment. No? Unfortunately, "wishy washy" is really the best we can do in this game. Kita's policy really doesn't discourage rogue shooters because it's a policy town cannot feasibly enforce. If kita does recognize my concerns then I don't think he'd have made this post. Hopefully we'll all act sane and this won't become a problem but my point is, if someone does go full retard on us and shoots out of the blue, kita's policy will not prevent it and should not be used to "punish" the lone ranger. It doesn't do a good job signaling "absolute intent" when it's terrible to begin with. | ||
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also @rastaban I have no idea what you expect me to say. I had my last day of classes yesterday so I was at school for a large portion of the day if that makes any difference. I mean I'm not sure what your "you were playing bad and now you're not, explain why you were playing bad" means. This post actually rubbed me a bit the wrong way because if you think someone is playing bad then you don't ask them to justify their actions, you wait if they continue and see if it's townie bad or scum bad. | ||
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On June 12 2012 22:59 marvellosity wrote: Meapak, I meant gonzaw himself said that plans/setup speculation were a null tell. Actually in his case I don't really disagree in generalities because he does similar things as town. The nub of the matter is that it is ALL he does. I could quote several super-long posts where he does it. But says he is too lazy to filter and analyse. That's an inherent scummy contradiction. Alright then, the refusal to do analysis is certainly pretty bad. As for plans, I don't actually recall playing a game with gonzaw as town. Have any prerequisite reading I could do? Probably would help to take a look at it to make my final decision. Actually I think gonzaw should name the game so I see something that he personally believes is representative of his town play. | ||
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On June 13 2012 03:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I don't want to have anyone shoot until RoL comes in and proves he's not lying. He can shoot Gonzaw if he likes. Also, Gonzaw, shoot again with the right formatting. RoL already proved he doesn't have a gun iirc. Chaoser that was beautiful. I'm more than ready to kill gonzaw. I also agree with having suspicious people kill him. Some names to consider of lurkers we could get a nice read on by having them shoot: risk.nuke kenpachi payl Zentor Maybe supersoft? | ||
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On June 13 2012 04:05 marvellosity wrote: RoL will (attempt to) shoot gonzaw and that's that. Great plan by Wiggles. RoL already tried to shoot and it failed. | ||
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On June 13 2012 04:12 gonzaw wrote: Hmm, I wouldn't mind Toad shooting me either now that I think of it This makes me feel like you're trying to shift focus off of some of the people we've mentioned. | ||
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On June 13 2012 05:01 VisceraEyes wrote: What are your thoughts on Palmar marvel? And now that Ace has given us something to think about (Radfield "saving" Palmar,) what are your thoughts on Ace? lol wrong game... | ||
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gonzaw why were you all gungho about shooting n0 when you didn't even have a gun? That's the part I'm having a hard time with. If we decide not to kill gonzaw then I think we should kill payl. | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:23 Toadesstern wrote: exactly. Noone protects him and he either dies or he doesn't, If he does we get another check that may or may not be bullshit but we kill him the next day and know wether or not we can trust his checks. What's the reasoning for knowing you can't be naive gonzaw? I like this as well. Gonzaw's breadcrumb makes sense and as long as supersoft isn't like "lol I'm actually not green" I'm inclined to believe the claim for now or at the very least let him live through the night. | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Like at the end of N0, did any of you think scum might shoot supersoft? I'm not going to argue that supersoft is a very odd target for a check if you're hoping that check dies. However his breadcrumb is fairly apparent and I'm not too keen about killing our DT with our first "lynch." Again, baring supersoft calling bullshit I think we should give gonzaw a chance. | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote: He can't fake a breadcrumb? Look at how much trouble he was in when he made it. Go back and read the thread (this isn't me being aggressive, just asking you to do so) I did go ahead and reread his filter and yours as well for your posts against him. It's pretty convincing stuff and the way that gonzaw is attempting to shift focus onto rastaban away from the people we had previously lined up to kill him is also scummy. Given what I just read and gonzaw's last post I'm down with killing him. I don't want rastaban to shoot though. I think we need to have payl or someone like that shoot since it seems like gonzaw really doesn't want them involved. | ||
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This this this this this. We already have several people lined up, let's not give scum more information by dragging more people into this. | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote: He really doesn't want Marv involved. He about cried when chaoser suggested it. Wait are you suggesting bus? I highly doubt scum would bus d1, besides I'm getting a town read on marv. | ||
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On June 13 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote: Ok I really feel like someone should shoot gonzaw already. This is just horrible. He's trying to get more and more people claiming and everyones growing impatient because the people that are supposed to shoot him are all not here... and it's 1 am in germany... just mentioning Toad what do you think about having someone who has already claimed to have a gun just to shoot gonzaw now? It would be really nice to get payl or zentor to shoot but the longer this goes on the more idiots are claiming. | ||
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Would have been just snazzy if you gentleman had actually been around during the day. | ||
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atm I'm at school getting ready for my last final so no lol. I still wanna kill zentor and the rastaban case looks decent from what I can tell. | ||
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On June 14 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote: RoL talked about all the downsides of claiming millers, then claimed to be a miller. + Show Spoiler + On June 12 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote: gonzaw, you've just made me read all the setup speculation on Millers. Damn thee. There is so much I do not like about the claim. Green text: Outlines in some depth how little benefit there is to Miller claiming in this setup. He calls the benefit a 'very niche' scenario. Red text: Having outlined why it's barely beneficial if at all to claim Miller, he leaps into categorically saying no-one should give miller claims any shit. Claims at the end he 'outlined all the reasons'. All the reasons? He clarified himself it would only help in a 'very niche scenario'. What gives? He then says mafia have no reason to fakeclaim miller. He's actively pushing this to discredit the notion. Blue text: Also see post below, but this looks like an attempt to halt any discussion of his miller claim. Because we're so busy on Night 0, right? Again with the blue text, pushing the idea that talking about his claim is a bad thing. To the bold and underlined: twice he says his claim is not a big deal. More language in the middle with 'or killing me, whatever'. Basically totally flippant and acting unconcerned about it. Look at the change in tone! From his original claim with his "hey, I guess I'll claim miller" casual attitude and subsequent post with the 'whatevers' and 'it's not a big deal' he fucking jumps down Toad's throat. Now he's again pushing the idea that even talking about his claim is a bad thing. He admits here that he forsaw people being suspicious of the claim. Yet in his original post, the only 'benefit' he saw was with a very niche day 5 cop scenario. RoL said elsewhere in his filter that we should be working off behavioural analysis. I agree. I'm not questioning the claim because he claimed Miller, I'm questioning how he's gone about it. Scum. He claimed to have his gun taken away, which is really suspicious as it sets him up to look exactly like a mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power. These things coupled with the fact that he hasn't been around for the entire night makes me doubt his claim. Would anybody else care to comment? So zentor you've been lurking for days and when you come back this is what you decide to comment on? ALSO NO MORE FINALS!!! | ||
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On June 14 2012 12:14 MrZentor wrote: I haven't been lurking for days. -.- If you want to find somebody who has been lurking for days, look at Kenpachi. Do you have anything original to add? | ||
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I'm really liking the idea of having rastaban shoot zentor, thoughts? | ||
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Anyway, I'm very happy to see payl posting, what does everyone think about having him take the shot on zentor? I like dirkzor's post on zentor a lot. I'm also still open to having rastaban shoot, either he or payl would be good people to shoot today. And kenpachi, I could oblige you if I felt that you were the right person but today we're going after scum (you may still be but I have a much stronger read on zentor & Co.). I need some quality posts out of kita and WBG soon, they can't keep skating along like this. Sleeping now. | ||
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On June 14 2012 21:02 marvellosity wrote: payl is guilty as shit. he turns up during the shoot-gonzaw fiasco only to call RoL a liar because payl couldn't read the thread. He also completely ignores what's going on in the thread at the time despite posting several times. Now the typical 'easy' case against Zentor. I could make a case against Zentor with my eyes closed and my hands tied behind my back. I agree that zentor may be an "easy case" but why does that make him a bad lynch? As I've stated before, I think payl needs to die as well, I just don't want to see people making excuses like this about zentor. | ||
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On June 15 2012 03:52 MrZentor wrote: MZ, look at my past games. Apparently I always look scummy regardless of alignment. -.- I absolutely hate when people say shit like this. Playing the "I always look scummy" card is the same as the "noob" card in my mind. And marv, would you be happy if we had payl shoot zentor or vice versa? | ||
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On June 15 2012 04:53 MrZentor wrote: MZ, let's play a game. Find a game where I was town and wasn't lynched by town besides GoT mafia. That's literally exactly what I'm referring to in my last post. Rather than say "lol I always get lynched" why don't you prove your townieness by being useful. You'll notice that the people who are active and contributing are not up for lynch today. If you were town you could at least try to play instead of saying "I'm bad." ffs this is almost claiming scum -_- | ||
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On June 15 2012 04:58 marvellosity wrote: Zentor shoot payl ideally. The fact that payl appeared during the height of the gonzaw 'frenzy', posted irrelevantly 3 times and disappeared, is shocking. Alright I can live with this arrangement. When do we want zentor to shoot? I'm thinking four hours would be a good time. Also Kita need to get his ass in here. | ||
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On June 15 2012 05:08 MrZentor wrote: I showed why all the cases against me were ridiculous. -.- I would like Cephiro to shoot Payl or vice versa. I'm going to a going away party for a good friend of mine moving to another state, so this is probably going to be my last post of today. lol you're not dodging this. Shoot payl now. | ||
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I'd like you to shoot payl right now. | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:01 supersoft wrote: Noone is shooting payl right now!!! wtf is this? | ||
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On June 13 2012 01:36 supersoft wrote: + I want all of you to take positions. I want you to post your suspicions in red so all of us can see who you're aiming for. In a setup like this, we have to make clear were we stand! No vote means scum can hide MUCH easier!!! They don't have to have ANY opinion if they don't want to. We have to pressure a LOT more! I start: Toadesstern is suspicious, because he talks a lot and has no opinion on any player so far! Hasn't even an opinion about me?! Except gonzaw (and this guy is talking too much. I am definetely not reading all of this again later -_-) ***and I remember that annulgame. I caught you day1. Was shot and facepalmed in the ObsQT and our PMs. Never comes back to this On June 13 2012 06:23 supersoft wrote: Payl, you have 5 minutes. I am crazy and I will shoot you if you don't shoot gonzaw. Never happens On June 13 2012 06:34 supersoft wrote: maybe 5 min is too short -_- going to play one lol-ranked-match. After that I chose between Toadesstern, gonzaw and payldude if they haven't already shot eachother. Nothing happens On June 15 2012 06:10 supersoft wrote: shoot payle now. i want to sleep and nothing is going to happen until we shot some useless bewns. Payle refuses to communicate with us. Bullet please. Nothing happens On June 15 2012 06:10 supersoft wrote: payle obviously has no gun since he's scum and not GF. Go shoot him now. Shoot payl now please. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 03:15 supersoft wrote: full claim or i shoot you in the next minutes. On June 13 2012 04:30 supersoft wrote: CLAIM NOW On June 13 2012 07:08 supersoft wrote: gonzaw one last chance: full claim On June 14 2012 14:54 supersoft wrote: and i need a full claim from toad please... On June 14 2012 14:55 supersoft wrote: actually i think a mass roleclaim would be quite beneficial. discuss. On June 14 2012 19:08 supersoft wrote: wbg is out. payl refuses to communicate. i'll shoot toad or payl after their claims On June 14 2012 20:58 supersoft wrote: claim On June 14 2012 22:56 supersoft wrote: shut up marvel. if payl doesn't claim within the next 8 hours i (or better toad) shoot him at midnight european time. On June 15 2012 05:08 supersoft wrote: zentor you got a gun? Shoot payl please. | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:34 Toadesstern wrote: I'm never defended talis. I said what you said about him is a nulltell... I said I want to give kita another day because of his internet troubles, while calling him a decent shot. That's defending kita? Well if you think it's talis + me + payl how about we end this and I shoot payl? Finally someone with some sense -_- | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:38 Toadesstern wrote: MZ, should I shoot payl or zentor? Not trusting Supersoft Go with payl. He's the guy who I feel like supersoft is try the hardest to shift focus away from. | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:44 supersoft wrote: no shoot payl. Now. holy what the fuck You previously told people not to kill payl, now you want him dead? | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:45 Toadesstern wrote: I'd actually rather see supersoft being shot right now You're not the only one -_- | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:46 supersoft wrote: lol. Toad you're GF, talis has no gun because he's goon and payl is your bus. why don't you ever put your gun where your mouth is? | ||
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On June 15 2012 08:48 supersoft wrote: ##kill: talismania okay. Let's try this. so let me understand this one, you didn't shoot your gf pick? You can die tomorrow lol | ||
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##Shoot: Supersoft Ya'll ready for a pro gf snipe? | ||
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Well supersoft here were my hints. In a setup where blues don't have guns, don't go around trying to out every single one of them. Hint hint, scum will probably claim to have guns (what a novel concept). Also don't spend an entire day focused on one set of people, suddenly decide to switch targets, then say "that dude is the gf" and then shoot someone different. This is actually really pissing me off right now, I'll save the rest for postgame. | ||
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Yes, obviously I fucked up big time, do I need to go back a quote all you who said that supersoft needed to die? I can justify my shot until the end of time (because it's a very justifiable shot) but that's useless now. You can either take my word that I fucked up, or you can shoot me tomorrow and we'll be in an even worse position than we are now. We need to kill more scum so what we do now is follow the leads that supersoft laid out for us and go from there. Tomorrow we'll have toad shoot payl. From there we move to kita. | ||
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On June 17 2012 02:17 Kenpachi wrote: we are killing you No you're not -_- People need to take a step back for a second, if you kill me you're basically shooting me for the same reasons I shot supersoft, I was scared he was the gf and was gonna get away clean. I understand you're pissed but let's not let that get in the way of the game. Supersoft gave us a scum list, let's start shooting down that. Also could someone summarize exactly why I'm scum? All I see is a couple people shouting "gf" and the thread sheeping along. | ||
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Also lovin how you're jumping right into the game now kita, what are your thoughs so far (and your theory that I was scared of you is ludicrous lol). | ||
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On June 17 2012 03:26 kitaman27 wrote: Of the eight, only two were directed at supersoft. I fail to see how they were out of context. There are far more than those eight that I didn't include as well. Maybe if you waited for my opinion before calling a shot on the dt and a scum shooting townie then I wouldn't be stuck posting at night every cycle. I specifically asked no one to shoot mid-night. You never answered why you felt it necessary to shoot at 3 in the morning. If you're sniping the godfather, why aren't you interested in other's reactions? I shot at like 2, I was playing LoL (check my match history if you don't believe me) and checked the thread, I had been stewing on it all day and just said fuck it and shot. And let's back this out a bit, why on earth should I have waited for your opinion? The one person I would have listened to was probably marvl and he had previously called for supersoft's death. You mentioned occam's razor. Guess what? Supersoft being gf IS the right answer via occam's razor. Don't tell me I'm just supposed to blindly believe that the guy who coincidentally was green checked is able to make a last minute switch to magically hit scum. He's been pressuring one set of suspects but at the last minute switches course and just happens to hit scum. And then you people are all going on about how "confirmed" he is. It was too convenient, simplest answer as to what's wrong? He's gf looking to win the game. I guess I make a really attractive miss shot, that's the only reason I can come up with for your sudden interest in the game kita. | ||
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ffs can someone actually post a case or give some real reasons other than "he fucked up he must be scum durr" | ||
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On June 17 2012 05:01 kitaman27 wrote: You're zero for three this game. You called for a kill on the cop. You redirected discussion when talismania was brought up. You shot the towniest player in the game without any discussion. So explain this to me: supersoft is the godfather. He refuses to shoot your prefered suspect who you believe is scum. Instead he shoots talismania who flips scum. How does shooting one mafia player over another suddenly make him incredibly scummy in your view? What does he have to gain by shooting the unsuspected mafia player over the one that multiple people are gunning after? Alright you can't hang me over the d1 business, I was vocal yes but I wasn't railroading like some people. In regards to talisman, I saw him as a misdirection from payl. To me it looked like supersoft was trying to blow smoke by bringing up more suspects. And again, you have to consider the fact that supersoft was gunning for payl and co. until his sudden switch to talisman, this just frankly looked scummy. How shooting talisman is scummy is because it was so out of the blue. Supersoft goes the whole game with payl as his suspect and suddenly bam, he magically nails talisman as scum. It was just too convenient. Better yet, with his town cred gained he can probably force a mislynch on his target of choice tomorrow (yesterday). Look at how pissed people are that I shot him, that was my fear, that he had perfectly situated himself as "confirmed." When he was still alive at the beginning of the day that just sealed it for me. Again I'll say this, the shot was just too accurate. With his green check everything was too convenient and screamed "gf taking advantage of a situation." Aside from his magical shot, the rest of his play was super scummy. And yeah, I had a pretty good game last night :D. First time I didn't die through an entire game, was feelin pretty ballin. | ||
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I'm going to be out for a few hours, when I get back I'll write up some cases on my reads. I again ask the thread in general, do you actually have a case against me aside from the fact that I fucked up? So far there has been resounding silence in from all those pushing for my death. Take emotion out of this for a moment and think about what I've said. My reasoning is not crazy, my motives are pretty apparent, the only thing I should have done differently was not shoot so early and talk it out with a few people first. We're all pissed, now let's calm down and keep playing, he gave us a great place to start. I've seen a lot of "meapak isn't that stupid," since kita brought up last game I'll just say a word about that: VE. You're trying to crucify me over one mistake and justify it using skill level which is retarded. Please make an actual case as to why I'm scum. | ||
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My apologies to my team, everything bad that's happened has pretty much been my fault. Anyway since coming back from my hiatus I've gone 0-4, I think a break from playing may be in order. | ||
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On June 17 2012 14:12 kitaman27 wrote: It's a lot easier to break a losing streak by playing than not! I can't live without my archon other half! Haha true I guess. Did you know that game was the first time I was hit but survived because of a medic (you <3)? Anyway gg all, gl to my team :D | ||
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Ah well... Supersoft for MVP btw, he had the entire scum team picked out at one point or another with very few errors. | ||
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It's not every day that scum has an opportunity to get a claimed cop killed gonzaw Still, while our blue snipes were excellent, I realized too late that we needed to be killing people with guns. So even though it was nice being safe from blues, it would have been better to just kill people who could shoot back. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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On June 24 2012 08:24 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: If you want to argue your case had weight, fine. But shooting in the way you did, at the person you did, at the timing you did it was terribly antitown which is why you got shot. Exactly my point. I should have shot supersoft before he shot talisman. The way I ended up doing it was horrible but supersoft had to die. He had our entire team. I know everything about my shot was bad but I felt that it was better than the alternatives. | ||
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