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im not a fan of this, but im gonna do it...
TOWN please, VOTE FOR SUKI, im pretty sure he is mafia!! I bet he is confortably sitting waiting for Ange777 to get lynched or a No Lynch at best.
Xatalos, if you arent mafia, please do this, a vigi can check me at night (if mafia dont kill me before)
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[+ Show Spoiler +QUOTE] On June 02 2012 05:25 Xatalos wrote:Suki, where are you when you need to defend yourself? The bandwagon on you is gathering steam, but you're nowhere to be seen. And I don't even think you're Mafia. Do a favor for everyone and show up right now. Where are o.Golden_ne, Superouman, Heist and Eishi_Ki for that matter? This huge amount of lurking is making the game so much harder. On June 02 2012 05:06 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 04:59 Unforgiven_ve wrote: No, i belive what you said, you were busy, i have no read on you, for me is a flipcoin. Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 05:03 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Xatalos: do you really think is not suspicious to come a few hours before deadline and make people belive you are that one analyst the town needs? Unforgiven ... how about sticking to your stance? Either you don't have a read on me OR I am suspicious ... I fully agree and wonder why people aren't voting for him already. He's just throwing non-committing blame around and never risking the chance of being put under real scrutiny. If you want to have a textbook Mafia style to analyze, you have one right here... Compare Unforgiven_ve and Suki with each other and tell me Suki is the Mafia of these two. It's probably not both, since they have been antagonizing each other for the whole game. [/QUOTE]
never risking the chance of being put under real scrutiny?? Really? in every post i say if you have questions just ask! Maybe i didnt made myself clear at beggining, i see now one should adapt to how the town plays. Unlike you i dont throw random FoS and votes "just to get the ball rolling", you can do some analysis checking the time and the way people post (i think i have said the same thing like 4 times now?)
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You are literally going after everyone who has found you suspicious. And these are all pretty weak claims.
Show me my many votes or FoS for saying this please
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+ Show Spoiler +You start going off on Ange77 for "siding with you too strongly"? I think you are taking bandwaggoning a bit too far. She had her own analysis.
My exacts words were "I forgot to put this in my last post, i also, dont like how Ange sided by me so strongly. That REALLY raised my eyebrown when i read it."
My one and onyl target has been suki, saying that thing about IF Ange777 turns red was just a random thought, a possibility we cannot discard, dont you think?
And i dont understand what are you saying here, please post what i said or ask me/show me if i wrote something weird to your eyes
You explicitly state that you are going to disregard Solstice and don't bother to defend yourself.
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm not very good at writing so I try to keep it short and simple.
pretty much you said it. Thats my response, my accusation to suki was 4 points long and i tried to make it clear, if thats not enough for him, then what more can i say?
-------------------------------- change of plans, i have to go, i will say it again. VOTE FOR SUKI PLEASE!
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Xatalos, please think this. Im risking my neck here! im goin all-in for suki, that would be a ridiculous way of play for a mafia dont you think? Its something pretty obvious, at least for me, im convinced he is mafia and when his alignment is revealed + the mafia kill at night, we will have a shitload of information, dont you think?
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On June 02 2012 06:14 Vivax wrote:
Also, remember that unforgiven_ve was the first to push the case against suki. That will reveal a lot about his alignment too. .
need i say more?
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Lol ange, now you understand when I said if you flip maafia blah blah???
Heist, you not helping your cause, you did not showed me my MANY ATTACKS against the people You said were attacking me...and if you really read the thread, you can see I was the FIRST one voting for suki, 24 hours Ago, so, explain to me please, siding whit who?
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I'm on my phone in my gf's house. Plwease
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To xatalos again, when I say tomorrow I mean day 2. ... I'm reading and directly responding From my phone
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Lolz, I rule, bunch of noobs
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Ange + Show Spoiler +On June 02 2012 07:08 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 07:01 Vivax wrote: You said you changed your opinion=You don't suspect him while you actually still suspect him while he's being the main pusher of the suki case. You can't push the case while suspecting the one who started it. It's mafia play. It would be plain stupid by mafia to push a case against their own. In the beginning I just thought Unforgiven's play to be awful (no offense!).
non taken ;D...
Ok, to the people who says i could be mafia and just pushed the case on suki as mafia strategy...STOP THIS...remember this is a extended mayority lynch, the more you confuse people the harder it gets to reach mayority, now you see why i said "PLAY SMART" ?? its even more important in this kind of game... check my last posts, besides me, who was REALLY PUSHING on suki?
answer: nobody.
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On June 02 2012 08:32 s0Lstice wrote:This is just rude. Cut it out. It takes 7 votes to lynch someone, and you spent the time before the lynch flopping around like a fish out of water, reduced to pleading for votes. It's not our fault you drew so much suspicion for playing like shit.
lol, just saw this, sorry ... its just what you experts refer as "metagame"?
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danm, i just noticed, the las post i made from my phone didnt got here.
My main suspect, is a tie: Heis / Xatalos
One of them is mafia, i dont think both are scum because his way of play would just be ridiculous, being overagressive since the begging
------------- s0Lstice, dont make personal anything i write here, its just a game...you will see more "name calling" from me, so relax
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Im sure im gonna die tonight (Xalatos, that means GAME's night ;D sorry), Possible escenarios for me
suki mafia, xalatos town: suki just used my "town leader" missunderstanding to try and push a mislynch on anyone Xalatos had on sight, he wanted to get a bandwagon rolling as long it werent on any of his friends, the other two mafias waited to see if this worked to jump at last hour.
suki mafia, Xalatos mafia: They accorded in their QT they would try to take "town leadership" to their own, Xalatos states a case, suki pushed it, some other couple townies fall for this, and the 3rd mafia joins to guarantee a mayority Because my post are a bit(lot?) confusing to townies, they want to use this to gain some advantage, leaving me alive and triying to get Ange777 instead.
suki mafia, heist town: heist missread everything i posted and just falls for the starting random post against me, he even dedicates a lines to me + Show Spoiler +On June 01 2012 01:21 heist wrote: @Unforgiven_ve: As you play more, you'll come to see that we all have really high standards for worthwhile and quality posts. Generalities tend to be low on that list. It doesn't help us decipher alignments and is really easy to hide behind as scum precisely because it is so comfortable. What we value our your opinions and evaluations of other players. Your reads and who you end up supporting is crucial in the later stages. That said, you fall short. You do have to change something about your posting. I'll reserve judgment until I see some subsequent posts that aren't purely devoted to your defense. Yes, someone accuses you, you need to defend yourself. But offer more than simply that. I've looked over Xatalos' initial accusation and the subsequent accusation from Solstice and can definitely see where they are coming from. Your posts definitely can be read as wanting to cruise, stay relatively unnoticed, and taking the comfortable route to maintaining activity. And for a day 1 lynch, that's sometimes all you need ESPECIALLY if further posts don't attempt to fix any of this. Thanks to this post i made my acussation against suki and started to get more agressive, thank you! He then casta vote to superouman and later falls for teh case against me.
suki mafia, heist mafia this is where it gets interesting, His first post a some random tips to me, attacks some random townies, wants to look "neutral" when my case was starting to get some heat, when things seemed to reach a finishing point, he drops this pearl
+ Show Spoiler +You are literally going after everyone who has found you suspicious. And these are all pretty weak claims.
You start going off on Ange77 for "siding with you too strongly"? I think you are taking bandwaggoning a bit too far. She had her own analysis.
You somehow tie together both suki and ange77 as mafia scum? What???
You explicitly state that you are going to disregard Solstice and don't bother to defend yourself.
I am not completely convinced about Suki and the main accusation right now seems to refer to the switch vote to Ange77. We decided we wanted a day 1 lynch. We needed a majority. Perhaps he wanted to lay down his vote incase he missed the deadline. Bandwaggoning I find is useless accusation in and of itself. In a complete body of work it can greatly support a claim. But we need this majority for a lynch and I can completely see him changing his vote with Unforgiven's case rapidly losing steam.
My vote is currently useless. I will be changing to Unforgiven_ve. His recent behavior is really undermining my previous judgment.
##Unvote ##Vote: Unforgiven_ve
You know, just cassually voting to the main (innocent) target at the time...and then one hour before deadline, he cast his vote against suki, because you know, he said MANY TIMES lynching is preferably to nothing and he had to stand by his word ... im already seeing the mafia QT "HEY SUKI IM SORRY, WE NEED TO WINZ LOLZ"
That makes him slightly higher on my list.
FoS (and pretty sure vote, at least something really weird happens or if im alive at day 2) heist
As always, if you dont understand something and/or want to ask something, please do. i'll be checking from my phone tonight
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On June 02 2012 08:32 s0Lstice wrote:This is just rude. Cut it out. It takes 7 votes to lynch someone, and you spent the time before the lynch flopping around like a fish out of water, reduced to pleading for votes. It's not our fault you drew so much suspicion for playing like shit.
may i remind you, pleading for votes to get a mafia(roleblocker) at D1, read my last post, and make a better one please, it worked one time, why not twice ;D
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Sup guys, sorry for the lack of activeness lately, i've been very busy...i really like the activity from sometownies, like i said my primary read is heist, nothing weird happened but i do readed a couple of great things you guys posted here.
it's 2am here and i just got home, tomorrow morning i will try to point a few things, it's gonna be hard for me to get in here but i'll try, but just in case
##Vote heist
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just got home, im really sorry, i saw a lot of votes going to vivax, let me read the thread
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wtf whit the replacements, it makes it harder to try and read someone after 2 days of play :s
Also, vivax, what about this? + Show Spoiler +On June 02 2012 05:55 Vivax wrote: Also know that I will be voting for anyone except myself, should that help in achieving a majority. No matter what my opinion on the suspect is, the alignment flipping will unveil a crapload of information.
That said, if suki is gonna flip town, I really hope you will be able to recognize Ange777's motives behind her intention to push a case on him.
If suki flips mafia, then I was clearly wrong and might end up in trouble for defending him. That would also prove Ange777 innocent and everyone supporting the vote first (not the ones joining in when it was obvious).
However, do you notice how there's actually noone defending suki as of now except me?While there are a bunch of persons trying to deflect the attention from Ange777.
Really, it's disgusting to see how people turn from the lurker to the poster in the arc of three hours, whereas the poster has been active all the time. And all of that happening in the last hours, making the outcome more uncertain, the mafia stronger.
And frankly, even if Ange777 would turn out to be town, all this last hour confusion is thanks to her and the decision to play games when she can't be properly active in them. You don't join a game of starcraft to go afk while you play chess either, then to come back asking others for help when the enemy is in your base, blaming one of the guys who was playing actively.
If you are town, you should be really aware of the bad impact you are having on this game. I would frankly still lynch you just for that.
I dont belive vivax is scum, nevertheless i will change my vote if neccesary, i think we still need 2 votes for a lynch?
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It's too late for me to try and convince you guys to change your votes, i think vivax will flip town, his last post voting for himself doesnt help tho.
Guys, because i think im right about heist, maybe i will die this night, the only thing in my favor is being a terrible poster (they killed s0Lstice for being good=, maybe they want me to be alive to get more people confused.
You are understimating the proof against heist, i still think there's a ver high change that heist and xatalos are mafia, i see they are playing a pretty standard "active" mafia, dodging attacks and siding whit the mayority (not before making his "preference" obvious to the town) triying to gaing some town credit.
Right now i would kill heist, the way he started to play the game and how he acted around the suki lynch are my main motivation. This posts
If it's blatantly rediculous, DO NOT DO IT. You are almost confident suki is town, why are you placing your vote on him??? We still have a bit of time, closer to an hour. Now it just looks like you are bussing. and
I changed bacause I was not very condifent in either a Suki or Ange77 lynch and my Superouman lynch was useless. You agree that Unforgiven seems more scummy. I don't like how you are giving up to commit to a worse read.
screams mafia for me.
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