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On May 23 2012 02:09 Acid~ wrote:marvellosity, I would like you to explain something. At the start of the day, a couple players made a case against NT, and you (like Acrofales before you, whom you are replacing) jumped in to defend him, twice. As soon as I called you on buddying with NT, you included him in a list of people you'd like to see dead, and justified that with something about him being a useless townie. Now, to quote your own words : Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 02:46 marvellosity wrote:
I don't think I'd agree to a Nova lynch unless something very particular came up. Atm he's playing to his not-very-useful town meta rather than his post-extensively scum meta What is the particular something that came up? What did NT do exactly that prompted you to change your opinion to this : Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 21:30 marvellosity wrote:
Why? Because useless townies are useless and make easy lynch bait. Ideally I'd want someone to shoot Nova tonight.
You're using the same argument in both cases, but resulting in different conclusions, and that swift reversal came mere minutes after being accused of buddying. Seems to me like you're trying to distance yourself from NT now that prospects are looking grim. If that's not the case and you truly had an epiphany, please quote the exact post from NT that made you change your mind.
*slow, punctuated claps crecendo into standing ovation*
##Unvote: Nova_Terra
##Vote: marvellosity
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Hey, Nova, I'm gonna keep playing the way I'm playing. If you don't like it, you should probably vote to remove me...but I'll warn you that I won't go quietly and you're going to find yourself very lonely on a VE wagon.
The time for cases is almost upon us, you won't rush me into posting something half-assed just to appease you. How about instead of worrying about me posting a case, you do something productive other than prodding me? Don't worry about me.
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marvel: Meh - get used to it. I'm a giant wad of potential disappointment. How about this: you're still convinced Nova is town but you want a vig to waste their shot on him at night. In what way is that different from them being lynched? If he's town, it's still a loss for town (vig wasted his shot, lose a townie regardless of how "bad"), so what is the difference between lynching him and shooting him?
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We don't shoot bad townies at night, we don't shoot any townies at night marvellosity. We try and shoot SCUM at night. You know why we shoot LURKERS at night? Because the possibility exists that they're HIDING SCUM, not because they're bad town. We're not in the business of killing ANY townies. We're in the business of killing SCUM in this town.
There's a serious disconnect between your reasoning for not wanting to lynch NT and wanting to shoot him. If you're just like, WRONG and actually think that it's a GOOD IDEA to kill townies, then you should probably come clean now and say so. Otherwise, you'll be treated as scum pushing a scum agenda and will die for it.
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##Unvote: marvellosity
##Vote: Nova_Terra
Reading comprehension fail is one thing, but Katina was literally one of the first to vote for you. Combined with the fact that you've been trying to twist my ignoring of your ridiculous "challenge" to me early game into something scummy and I'm pretty much convinced. GG scum.
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But Nova, you've already told me everything I need to know to determine your alignment. In short,
IT'S ALREADY GUARANTEED THAT YOU'RE THE LYNCH FOR TODAY
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Why are you avoiding talking to me Bugs? And don't say something ignorant like "I don't talk to scum"
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For the record, Bugs is completely ignoring me when I speak to him and slinging shit at me without substantiating it. This is scummy behavior, and completely out of character for Bugs - after all, he's known as a pretty top notch scum player.
##Unvote: Nova_Terra
##Vote: Mouldy Jeb
I'm okay with this lynch, and the Nova wagon isn't going anywhere.
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Jeb are you scum or town?
If you're town, who do you find suspicious and why?
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Here's my thought-process. wherebugsgo and Nova_Terra are likely scum together. wherebugsgo voted early on for N_T, but the fact of the matter is (as he just pointed out so kindly for us) that for most of the day, his vote was parked on someone he didn't really think was scum after all. For like, most of the day.
wherebugsgo has avoided any kind of confrontation with me completely, which I find odd for 2 reasons: first of all, as scum I know bugs is willing to get all up in my grill knowing I'm town. He doesn't afraid of anything. Now, here's where it gets even stranger - bugs is EVEN MORE willing to get all up in my grill as town. He doesn't respect me as a player and he's absolutely not afraid to be confrontational.
So why? Why would he be so afraid to even acknowledge a question asked of him? Here's my guess: because he doesn't want me paying him any attention because he's voting for his scumbuddy. He didn't want his scumbuddy's wagon to gain any traction, so he waited until minutes before the deadline to comment on ANYTHING.
Nova_Terra, wherebugsgo, ??????, ??????
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On May 21 2012 19:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
More on my vote on VE, his play is a bitch to deal with, or so i hear
On May 23 2012 05:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
I do respect you as a player, I just don't appreciate how hard it is to read you unless there are specific situations in which I can trap.
If you recall I was on your case last game because I didn't like how disruptive your play was. You chose to save scum that game. Yet, you still flipped town. So how is it that you are to be held accountable?
I suppose your answer is to remove me from the game. I seem to recall someone else suggesting this course of action.
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IF you're town, then having your vote on Nova all day indicates a willingness to lynch him. And you're saying "Nope, VCA" before a fucking flip? Pull the other one Bugs. You're scum. You're going to die like scum, with a rope around your neck. I hope I'm around to make it happen.
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In fact,
##Unvote: Mouldy Jeb
##Vote: Nova_Terra
This might happen after all. Keep in mind that as soon as a little pressure was on him from anyone but wherebugsgo, Nova_Terra stopped posting like a jester. This guy is scummy scum. Let's make him hang.
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lol. Where's your VCA now Bugs? A notoriously (so far) lurky semi-scummy player comes out last minute to vote for MJ. Still wanna be moved solely by analyzing the wagons sir? Yeah?
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On May 23 2012 06:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sure, having my vote on a player indicates willingness to lynch said player. Moving my vote indicates a change in that willingness. Nothing you just said in any way is reason for calling me scum. If anything you've just stated the obvious and then tacked on "therefore WBG scum QED"
1)Why is nova scum other than "he's scummy scum scum" and "he was posting like a jester"?
2)What are some reasons nova is scum over, say, Mattchew or Tunkeg or Katina? Or even mold man over here?
3)What makes mouldy a bad lynch and nova a good one, specifically? If there is one question you'd answer, I'd prefer it be this.
1) I've already stated. He was using contradictory logic to point a finger at you yesterday - saying you were scummy for giving advice while giving advice himself. His interaction with Katina was especially scummy in my opinion, not knowing or caring who was voting for him. Like, imagine it from a scum perspective. You're not the leading candidate, and it's minutes from a deadline, are you going to know or care who is voting for you? No man, you're going to know every single person who's on the actual lynch wagon though by my estimation. The fact that he didn't realize that Katina was the very second person to vote for him is suspicious as hell to me, taken with everything else.
2) Mattchew, Tunkeg AND Katina have all given decent reasoning for their suspicions (by my estimation). Mattchew's self-imposed (I'm assuming) restriction, while not the clearest at times, at least serves to let his reads be known. Katina, while not being the most super active, has at least been trying to find out peoples' motivations and provided reasoning for her vote.
3) I'm actually semi-okay with a Mouldy lynch aside from the fact that you prefer it to Nova. Nova's on it too. I don't like that. Aside from that, I have no qualms with a Mouldy lynch. The thing is though, my vote isn't integral for a Mouldy lynch, and if it became a situation where it was, I would switch to Mouldy just to make a lynch happen. But as it stands, I've got a healthy counter-wagon going on one of my scum candidates and I think my vote is more useful over here.
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On May 23 2012 06:33 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 23 2012 06:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sure, having my vote on a player indicates willingness to lynch said player. Moving my vote indicates a change in that willingness. Nothing you just said in any way is reason for calling me scum. If anything you've just stated the obvious and then tacked on "therefore WBG scum QED"
1)Why is nova scum other than "he's scummy scum scum" and "he was posting like a jester"?
2)What are some reasons nova is scum over, say, Mattchew or Tunkeg or Katina? Or even mold man over here?
3)What makes mouldy a bad lynch and nova a good one, specifically? If there is one question you'd answer, I'd prefer it be this. 1) I've already stated. He was using contradictory logic to point a finger at you yesterday - saying you were scummy for giving advice while giving advice himself. His interaction with Katina was especially scummy in my opinion, not knowing or caring who was voting for him. Like, imagine it from a scum perspective. You're not the leading candidate, and it's minutes from a deadline, are you going to know or care who is voting for you? No man, you're going to know every single person who's on the actual lynch wagon though by my estimation. The fact that he didn't realize that Katina was the very second person to vote for him is suspicious as hell to me, taken with everything else. 2) Mattchew, Tunkeg AND Katina have all given decent reasoning for their suspicions (by my estimation). Mattchew's self-imposed (I'm assuming) restriction, while not the clearest at times, at least serves to let his reads be known. Katina, while not being the most super active, has at least been trying to find out peoples' motivations and provided reasoning for her vote. 3) I'm actually semi-okay with a Mouldy lynch aside from the fact that you prefer it to Nova. Nova's on it too. I don't like that. Aside from that, I have no qualms with a Mouldy lynch. The thing is though, my vote isn't integral for a Mouldy lynch, and if it became a situation where it was, I would switch to Mouldy just to make a lynch happen. But as it stands, I've got a healthy counter-wagon going on one of my scum candidates and I think my vote is more useful over here. Your arguments against me are invalid because i already clarified them and because i say so furthermore yeah as scum you are fully aware of everyone voting for you, lack of care about that would be a town trait
Nah, this is false. Town's #1 objective is to lynch scum. Especially Vanilla town, the only thing they care about is voting for the right person to lynch. As a townie, you would keenly feel every vote on you because the ONLY bit of information you have as a townie is your own alignment - therefor, your very existence as a townie is meaningless if you're the leading lynch candidate. Ask Jeb who he thinks is scum, he can't think of anything but the number of votes on him. I'm willing to bet at this point that he's just drowning townie. He was unable to produce even basic reads when prompted once the wagon really started to pick up steam, but he knew EXACTLY how many votes he had on him.
Scum on the other hand, have objectives. They're pushing an agenda. But most importantly, they're in contact with others. This is the important thing. If they have a team going "Nah dude, no sweat look Jeb has 6 votes. This is in the bag" then scum aren't going to give a SHIT who's voting for them or anything. They're just going to make sure the team's chosen lynch is the one that happens.
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At this point, not so much. I much prefer a N_T lynch.
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I'm MOSTEST convinced that N_T is scum, hence my vote. We're not in a Majority Lynch situation here, whoever has most votes is lynched. I want that to be N_T. I'm semi-okay with a Mouldy lynch, but I PREFER a N_T lynch.
This isn't Majority Lynch, I'm not derailing a lynch and I'm not causing a no-lynch. I'm stating my preference and voting accordingly. Everyone should be doing thusly. Everyone. A lynch WILL happen regardless, so the result will be the person who most of town wants lynched, period. Don't be tricked into voting for one person over another "to save the lynch"...we'll have a lynch regardless.
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VCA is Vote-Count Analysis.
Bugs was saying that he was judging who is scum based on the movement of the wagons, and pretty much no other reason. That's a cop-out, especially considering how little information that REALLY yields at this point because we have no flips to work with.
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On May 23 2012 06:53 Navillus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote:
Jeb looks to have left the thread. He's a scummy quitter. If you honestly think he's town, then lololol.
And why do you think he's scum, but don't want to vote for him, VE?
And what the heck is VCA. Vote count analysis And VE I see what you're saying and it is possible to respond like that as town but in my experience just giving up with no unhappiness or anything about getting lynched and no real attempts to stop the lynch or push someone else is not something townies do often, as scum it's easy to get oneself thinking "oh they got me, there's no way I can move this wagon because I'm scum and they know it" As town you know that you're town and usually would try to show others. Also while I still think NT is probably town, rereading him and looking at recent posts one unsettling trend is his constantly talking about his own meta and how he's matching it, I haven't seen many town who pay so much attention to their own meta, usually as town one would just think I'm playing town, it's gonna match my town meta. Scum have to pay more attention because their behavior is going to change and they have to make an effort to keep it as much the same as they can. Frankly once it's clear that he's paying so much attention to his meta, meta arguments that would point to him being town are pretty much useless since he's obviously making a real effort to keep with his town meta.
Yeah man, but here's the conundrum - OTHERS have been citing his meta as evidence if his towniness, and FIRST actually. So is he just parroting what others have said as a new town trying to show up who he perceives as a threat, or is he new scum literally telling us he's scum? This is the information I was trying to go over with Bugs last night which he's completely ignored. So is that your opinion then, that he's probably town and just intimidated into defensiveness?
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