TL Mafia LV

On May 10 2012 08:33 Kenpachi wrote:
any idea when this is going to start?
So this is themed game too right?

On May 25 2012 12:56 kitaman27 wrote:


YES!

/in

On May 26 2012 10:16 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm down to /replace.

On May 27 2012 11:05 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Must have been a lady friend! Awwwww Yeeeaah!
+ Show Spoiler [lady friend] +

On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:


I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU!

I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself.

Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_-

Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet.

##Vote Hyaach. You got this.

On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote:


good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay).

Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that.

On May 28 2012 14:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

He could have picked anyone who's not dying today, myself, ET, wiggles, forumite, anyone who's been contributing. The whole point here is that he's putting grush up in comparison to people who aren't going to die which really muddies his reasons for killing grush.

On May 28 2012 05:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Lets end the discussion right now.

Toad is our pardoner.

It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor.

On May 28 2012 14:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
No? Shall I tell you a story?

Once upon a time there was a player in this game named kitaman who much like his other veteran brethren had no interested in running for Leader of Earth. However, unlike his veteran brethren, kitaman had an idea of who he wanted to be mayor before posting. When Kitaman put forth Hyaach's name for election, the room erupted.

"Outrage! Why would you put forth a name of such little consequence in the game thus far?!" his brethren cried.

"Don't you see? My motivations are simple! I'm attempting to keep the elected role out of the hands of the dreaded Lyncher!" Kitaman replied sardonically.

Uneasily, his veteran brethren shuffled their feet and mumbled to themselves. Clearly unsatisfied with this response, one player rose from the ranks behind the veterans...

On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote:
Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas?

VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day.

On May 28 2012 15:48 kitaman27 wrote:




Either
A) Toad is a mafia who fake claimed mason to get elected and procede to get lynched day two.
B) Toad is not mafia and a compuslive liar who can't help himself.

Which is the scenario that you're backing VE?

Your reasoning is completely inadquate. We've been given the opportunity to elect a non-scum into office and you have openly oppossed the idea. Between the two of us, it must be tough to say that I'm the scummiest with a straight face.

On May 28 2012 16:25 kitaman27 wrote:


But how many players can we be so certain isn't scum? You act as if toad is a completely incompetant who will certainly be tricked into going against his word to pardon a scum player. A town player who is given the opportunity to elect a player who isn't scum jumps on it. They don't discredit their ability and risk electing a mafia pardoner.



lol Hyaach was mentioned in passing hours into the game. Is that really what you guys are going to jump on? :p

He really does need to post though -_-



Spamming up the thread with why I'm so great and how I'm going to be active and open doesn't really do much for the game. (I am great by the way)



Wiggles has made some valid points, but nothing that tells me about his alignment. The length of his posts tells me that he is putting effort into appearing town (I should probably work on that too), but again that doesn't say much about his alignment. When asked about lynch candidates, he only references toad, who clearly isn't going to be lynched tomorrow, so I don't have much to say about him until he comes up with a real target.



Can I switch my random vote to Meapak?

Dang it VE, you cost me an hour of sleep.

On May 28 2012 16:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I am forcing myself to remain cautious after my abysmal reads from last game but it's hard given the current play we're seeing.

On May 28 2012 17:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

hmmm. Personally if I was pardoner and I felt VERY strongly that the person who was getting lynched was town I would not hesitate to pardon them simply because I still trust my judgement enough to make that call.

Similarly, I wouldn't have a problem if someone pardoned someone who I thought was town. That being said, it is just a lot simpler if the pardoner is never used in. Even if a townie dies, information will be gleaned from the flip and we won't waste a cycle debating the action of the pardoner.

Just as a general announcement, I'm gonna stop posting in this thread because idk if I can think logically right now. Once I finish watching PL I need to allnighter a paper so see ya'll tomorrow.

On May 29 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:
And for the 4th time: I AM NOT ROLEBLOCKABLE FOR CHRISTS SAKE. Stop talking about something like that because it's not possible.

On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.


Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?

Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.

Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.

If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?

I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then.

On May 29 2012 20:05 Zealos wrote:

I explained that I didn't have the time to post yesterday, so vigging me will be killing a townie. Any reason you're so keen to do that?

On May 30 2012 04:42 Toadesstern wrote:


no need. I already managed to make sure everyone knows I'm the most important guy in this game and more so, I am mod confirmed town!
Just do as I say :3

On May 30 2012 04:56 Toadesstern wrote:
VE you know what I find suspicious about you?

On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote:
hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say?

On May 30 2012 09:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
I was roleblocked and took a hit last night.

Going to assume that means a jailor protected me from a scum hit.

I'm also going to assume it means that lurker I called out is probably scum.

On May 30 2012 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shut up Toad you're not worth a mafia bullet. You cause so much disruption regardless of alignment it's no wonder everyone calls you hypnotoad.

We kill gambit man today. He ninja voted ET yesterday and he's said nothing. Eat shit and die, scum.

##vote Gambitx32

On May 30 2012 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
No, I lynch scum and scum exist indiscriminately of their posting activity.

If we had no vigis and all 6 scum lurked, by your plan none of them would ever die. Can't have that, now can we?

On May 30 2012 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Grush:
In the past 48 hours you have made 3 posts. They are:







._.;;

On May 30 2012 10:35 grush57 wrote:
Atleast I'm not putting up some half-assed excuse to save Gambit while bussing him like Manason,S&B and austin.

On May 30 2012 10:37 VisceraEyes wrote:


What about me Grush? I'm also in the "Let's not lynch Gambit just yet" camp, is my reasoning half-assed? What about Gambit do you find more threatening now than you did mere hours ago when you said Zealos should die?

On May 30 2012 10:42 Kenpachi wrote:
and fuck. Forumite started the zealos wagon. No point in trying to read a dead player :l

On May 30 2012 10:45 Kenpachi wrote:

yes but i figured Zealos is an easy as hell target to bandwagon on so i thought if we backtrack to those who rolled the wagon, we can find tracks of scum

On May 30 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:
So, 2 things:

1) I approve of grush trying to make cases
2) if you're gonna make a meta case on KP, check out his town meta...

On May 30 2012 12:11 wherebugsgo wrote:


whether or not I've read the rest of the thread is pretty irrelevant when the guy I'm attacking isn't even interested in playing the game.

On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.

Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^

Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think?

On May 28 2012 04:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm, mason would be a great claim for a lyncher. Doesn't matter if he's telling the truth on day two since he's already won by then.

As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town.

On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:


-_-



lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. I still feel its optimal to elect someone who didn't declare their candidacy in the first 24 hours, but Hyaach doesn't have nearly enough posts to warrent being elected. I'll have to decide tomorrow between the candidates. You mentioned earlier that I'm not interested in being elected, which is untrue. I would be perfectly content with being mayor.



Odd or scummy?

I'm not sure what is so strange to you. Toad role claims mason, which means he is either a lyncher or a mason. Therefore, we elect him as pardoner where he can do no harm and benefit town by denying the role that shortens the game by one cycle. Seems like a completely reasonable conclusion to me. Do you disagree that Toad should be elected?



Humor us?

Too tired to re-read the thread tonight. Tomorrow I'll have to give my thoughts about the lynch.

On May 31 2012 00:59 Toadesstern wrote:
have you not read my mayoral campaing?
We don't lynch into WBG, we don't lynch into Foru (because dead), we don't lynch into me, we don't lynch into wiggles.

That's already 4 vets we're not willing to lynch into. Makes Kita / VE look pretty bad imo, even without meta.

On May 31 2012 01:38 Toadesstern wrote:

wiggles can die himself just fine (I loved when the hound said that to joffrey )
Bugs is a vet but replaced in for someone else so unless we consider role-swapping after d1 had started I'd say he's not within the circle of vets that should be considered for balance.

On May 31 2012 02:43 Toadesstern wrote:

do you think town-VE would post something like this:


?

On May 31 2012 06:11 Toadesstern wrote:

nope. Gambit or Zealos are up for a lynch.

And I could be wrong about the mason recruiter thing but that stood out and I thought about it because as mentioned I'm not a normal mason.
Now that everyone got on the recruiter part anyways:
The thing about my mason thing is that it's really not a mason like "you get to talk to this one guy". It's more like the gay-phone-session from AC.

That's why I said I'm secure against manipulation because I'm not just talking with one guy.

On May 31 2012 06:21 Toadesstern wrote:
I could be totally wrong and it's just a random thing he called me "mason recruited" instead of mason but as I said, that really made me think he might be a mason as well. But it was a thought and therefore I'd say we just wait to see if that was some kind of coincidence.

And obviously when I was referring to the gay-phone-session from AC I am referring to a phone-session without killing in the end. I'm not that mean.

On May 31 2012 06:26 Ange777 wrote:
What's a gay-phone-session from AC????

On May 31 2012 06:30 Toadesstern wrote:

I know, I thought the same but I'm not sure
Maybe there's some variations idk

On May 31 2012 06:33 Ange777 wrote:
So a Mason Recruiter would be able to invite one random player into his playgroup every night?

On May 31 2012 07:06 jaj22 wrote:

Ok, help us out here. What's the townVE motivation for asking Wiggles to seriously consider lynching Toad?

On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.


Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?

Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.

Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.

If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?

I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then.

On May 31 2012 07:14 jaj22 wrote:

But a lot of your mud-flinging at Toad was long after his chances at election had gone. He only ever got one vote other than himself. Forumite was a more popular candidate.

On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:


Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers").

What do you think?

On May 31 2012 07:45 wherebugsgo wrote:


I don't think that you can come to your conclusion based on that because he doesn't really suggest anything in other posts nor even in this one that he finds Toad to look town. It could be a semantic thing where he just thinks that Toad is town if he can prove he's a mason and if he's not he's lying scum. The dichotomy is obvious to anyone and I don't think this sentence in particular means anything.

More interesting to me from that post is his sinensis sheep and how he calls out SnB but isn't willing to vote him and how he is aware of his own lurkiness.

On May 31 2012 08:29 Probulous wrote:


@Supersoft, I know Matthew mentioned this but you never answered. How do you know that Matt claimed the hit before the hit PMs were sent out? He claimed after the Day post so my assumption would be that people knew if they had been hit. WBG and MZ never said anything about the PMs being late.

On May 31 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote:


I know. But far too late. At this point of times there was no denyal that Zealos looked bad. It was just obvious. He really looked bad. However VE just mentions that fact but doesnt do anything about it.+
Moreover:

GambitX32 - (4)
Blazinghand
VisceraEyes
Mr. Wiggles
Ange777

Zealos - (3)
marvellosity
Toadesstern
wherebugsgo

Dont you think it's remarkable that he refused to switch so far? even after we got toad claiming that Gamb is mason... and even wbg switched on zeal.

On May 31 2012 08:48 Probulous wrote:
Can someone link me the case against Zealos.

He looks like an overwhelmed newb to me Is this something a newb scum would suggest?

Particularly given the advice wasn't followed. Yes he has been lurky as hell but so have other posters and he seems geniunely frustrated


What is the case besides him lurking?

On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:


Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers").

What do you think?

On May 31 2012 09:10 Probulous wrote:



Weren't you implying the same thing?

You didn't want to vote him into office because he might get manipulated by scum. The way I read it, Zealos is saying that Toad can prove he is town when his mason actions occur. It is unlikely that scum would claim mason so early day 1 so it makes sense to assume Toad is town. But even so waiting till he confirms himself is not a bad play, in fact you were singing from the same song sheet.

This assumption is important
"The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town")"

Why do you assume it is based on his posting and not his claim? It seems pretty townie to me to claim mason early.

On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:

lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post.

On May 31 2012 10:05 kitaman27 wrote:


I think he is in a pool of about 10 players who have no interest in playing this game. If we're lynching lurkers then fine, but with his limited number of posts I can say to have an opinion one way or the other.

On May 31 2012 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
I assumed the lyncher would know who their target was. It would be incredibly difficult to have to lynch a random role like "Gaz", which would come mostly down to luck.

On May 31 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita.

Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!!

On May 31 2012 11:22 Probulous wrote:


So you think Kita is third party?

My running theory is that Kita is mafia who wanted to divert town and discredit Toad. When that was shot down he changed tack and tried to discredit you. The problem I have is that he raised the lyncher thing first. It's like

fearmongering -> discredit Toad -> discredit VE

But that means his whole motivation for the lyncher obsession was to create confusion?

On May 31 2012 12:08 jaj22 wrote:

Meh. The only town motivation I can construct for your filter is that:
1. You're obsessed with Toad and
2. You just fucking love posting.

Waiting for MZ case part 2.

On May 31 2012 12:54 wherebugsgo wrote:


ooooooookaaaaay.

we can't really discuss that game but it's irrelevant since I'm town in both. That's all I'll say. Your play was still mind boggling and I still don't understand it.

Moving on, right now the problem is that you're sheeping cases and you say MZ and kita are suspicious for not voting you but you think I'm suspicious of you because of your apparent willingness to lynch scummy lurkers.

That's not the problem. The problem is that you jump ship every time a new name comes along. You ask irrelevant and distracting questions (like why am I not focused on scummy MZ over here) when it's public knowledge that the primary reason MZ is not and probably never will be suspicious is because of a game mechanic (his shot claim)

On May 30 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir?

On February 21 2012 07:33 kitaman27 wrote:






These quotes come from couples therapy and ptp2. You were town both games. So why the change in play-style red?

On February 21 2012 08:50 kitaman27 wrote:


So to be clear, you did not have a mafia epiphany causing a change in playstyle to support policy lynches? Instead you pushed the policy simply to generate discussion?

On February 22 2012 00:25 kitaman27 wrote:


This type of language makes you look scummy. If you don't know what to think about an action, why are you bringing it up? Providing no opinion is essentially summarizing, which is an easy way to contribute without contributing. If you think someone is scummy call it scummy. Calling things weird doesn't say anything one way or another.



Without announcing it in the thread? lol you act as if I'm voting you without ever mentioning you. Who cares if I post it in the thread.

Yes, I voted tyrran in the first post of the game. I do that in most games. Do you believe that's scummy?

Yes, I attacked you for your discrepancy in opinion, does that make me scummy?

Have any of the reasons in your omgus vote pointed to me being scummy?

You pushed a policy lynch and immediately backed off an hour into the game after getting in trouble. You didn't even mention that you still wanted to lynch tyrran. Instead it took my questioning for you to even bring it up. If tyrran was your preferred lynch, why did you switch to me hours later? You said you dropped tyrran because you didn't think you could get him lynched. Does that mean you're more confident that you can push my lynch? Or is it that you are simply attacking your attacker?

You discredited the ability to scum hunt on day one, push a policy lynch because of a mafia epiphany, drop the policy lynch because you were simply generating discussion, go back to supporting the policy lynch after being questioned, and then swap to the guy who is questioning the policy lynch.

Nap time. As much as I enjoy talking about red, I'll try to look at everyone else when I wake up.

On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:


I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU!

I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself.

Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_-

Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet.

##Vote Hyaach. You got this.

On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:


I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU!

I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself.

Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_-

Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet.

##Vote Hyaach. You got this.

On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote:


Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p



Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards.



Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate.



Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor?

Lets lynch meeple.