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Does jailer notify his target? Can parity cop target self? Does parity cop have sanities? Does hatter trigger bombs only from NK, or also from lynch? Can framer target self? Traitor can't be recruited, SK has no DT or NK immunity? Are Assassin and Lyncher fully aware of their targets? If so, doesn't that mean Assassin can just shoot first night for easy victory, while Lyncher has to work? | ||
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On May 24 2012 16:43 MidnightGladius wrote: ... and the setup is 25 vanilla townies versus 5 mafia goons :D its ok, I plan to claim DT no matter what maybe | ||
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On May 25 2012 02:26 VisceraEyes wrote: /out Tired of this. :o nuuuu | ||
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On May 25 2012 16:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I feel like an addict /in need to kill EchelonTee But.... It was gonzaw, not me I swear! :O Jaj? Matt? VE? SnB? MZ? Sinensis? got my new and old fwends all hear :3 | ||
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GL HF peeps | ||
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juju? ...jubjub? :p | ||
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On May 23 2012 13:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I resign. | ||
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On May 26 2012 07:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also ET you need to spam up to templar to join the bros club. DT4LYFE | ||
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Why? Because I'm never suspicious as scum, and always suspicious as town. I would never in a million years run for mayor if I was scum. You might say "Oh, he's trying to WIFOM; this is him actually being scum, running for this shiz". I would say that's slightly logical, but let's be reasonable; I could easily destroy all of you without needing to be mayor, if I was scum. Am I running off of a high from Liar Game Mafia, where I crushed a plethora of legendary scumhunters? You bet it. Another point to notice; the mayor and pardoner do not get bodyguards. Usually, the purpose of the mayoral election is not so much to control the lynch, but to protect your strongest scum hunters. Since there are no bodyguards, putting someone like [insert vet here] into that spot is just asking for them to be shot up, if they aren't scum that is. What I will do as mayor is be open and forthright, not do a lone wolf lynch. If it turns out that I look way too fcking townie, then I'll get shot by scum, and that's NBD; I'll have done enough by being denying scum the initial lynch, and taking a bullet for better townies. Last thing; I never ignore the newbies. You'll see a bunch of people run for mayor who will be like "I'm bad as scum, good as town, so I'll lynch right and this will all be good kk", but only I will actually consider cases put forth by newbies and actually judge if they have merit. While I might not be the best at hard scumhunting, compared to other players in this game, I pride myself at being able to separate "bad townies" from "newbie scum". Some examples of that are FourFace in TL Mafia LI and gumshoe in Surprisingly Normal VII. Tons of people were calling for vig shots, lynches, etc. and I just said STFU, they are townies. Let's focus. In summary, since the mayoral election does not confer protection, it is more optimal to elect someone who is open, aggressive, and tranaparent, but not necessarily the strongest town player. Therefore, I think I should be mayor. I'll do a standard scumhunt (build a case) to determine the initial lynch. | ||
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On May 27 2012 11:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Why VisceraEyes Should Be Elected Leader of Earth It's literally the last thing scum will expect. While my methods are questionable, my results are even more so. But one thing is for certain: I'm going to be active. Should I actually analyze this or is your post just "I'm running for mayor. Insert troll comments"? You were the first person I expected to run for mayor.. what do you mean it's the last thing they'd expect? "Your results are questionable"? How does this inspire any faith? And you are always active as scum or town, and you're right; it's questionable whether or not your thread clogging inspires discussion or stifles it. I'll support you as my running mate/vote if you promise to 1. not roleclaim in a scummy as fck manner 2. not RQ. No WBG, so it should be K. 3. not baseless-ly accuse people when I know you're great at building cases. Can you vote for yourself in Mayoral Election? | ||
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If you prefer an active mayor, vote for VE. I hear he's easy to read. | ||
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On May 27 2012 12:05 Kenpachi wrote: I be earthulingu Are you Korean? | ||
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On May 27 2012 12:17 grush57 wrote: The scum are helping each other out already? Yep, the two scum are trying to get each other in office, an office with no vig or DT protection. We felt this was the best way to fool town. >.> More people run, then maybe I'll have more options to consider. Why not yourself grush? Planning on one liner-ing your way to LYLO? Voting for myself. On May 27 2012 12:20 jaj22 wrote: Ok, that worries me a bit. I like your normal town style a lot, and so far I've had correct reads on you in all the games I've read. How exactly do you intend to change your style? I'm just not going to spam/tunnel as much as I usually do. You were there in Surprisingly Normal VII when we lost; I did not enjoy that. | ||
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Consider that the pardoner will have some amount of town-cred, to be elected in the first place. To save their scummy lynch mate, they would have to out themselves. Not a very good play, unless the person they are saving is a stronger PR role than themself. I actually kind of wonder how Pardoner is a good role at all, to be perfectly honest. The more dangerous role is the +1 vote that the mayor has. If a scum gets voted as mayor, they could potentially live til LYLO, which would be instant GG. It is extremely vital that a townie gets voted to mayor, and slightly less so important who is pardoner. | ||
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On May 27 2012 13:43 Sinensis wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 13:34 jaj22 wrote: If you're going to policy-lynch someone because they're useless and unreadable, why pick Grush over Kenpachi? I can see why some of you might be bitter from LIV, but at least give people the chance to improve. @Grush: Making posts longer than one line would be a good start. Also I'm not voting for Sinensis because I can't read him worth a damn. I am picking grush over kenpachi because kenpachi doesn't respond to criticism with "I'm mafia, lynch me." I have never seen play as bad as grush's. Most of the people in LIV spent the game trying to get grush lynched because he literally refused to play, outside of nonsense 1 liners, throughout most of the game. I don't feel like dealing with it again because I don't like losing. Lmao this is pretty ironic. I'm not going to ennumerate the times you threw games, but let's just say you have no right to run for mayor on a platform like that. | ||
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On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote: Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host. Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol. Continuing, do you think grush's posting thus far is scummy? If yes, then how so? | ||
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1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan. 2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here? 3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting. | ||
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It's no secret that TL Towns have been in a state of disarray. Unfortunately, none of you know my alignment so you will be forced to take this post with a grain of salt, but hopefully you will be able to take my words in and see them as logical. This game is starting to unfold how many typical games have gone thus far. A small handful of posters come out strong; evenly divided between strong, veteran personalities and newer, eager to play people. Mixed inbetween these people are obviously a few scum, but what inevitably happens is some newer player slips up, and then the hounds come into slay the newbie. Some people argue "don't lynch X, they are town"; others argue "why the f*** are you defending this terrible play". Meanwhile, scum can prod on these easy mislynches and cruise to victory. This is generally how a mafia game should unfold; however, the issue lately has been that cases have been built solely on stuff like "this guy is fcking bad. he is SCUMMY", instead of analyzing motivations, actions, or agendas. Meanwhile, discussion that happens around the lynches is just downright embaressing. People going around saying "you haven't contributed shit", "you're a dipshit", etc. Often what I see said about other players is something like "Yeah, I don't think Y is scum, but he's an asshole". Because of this, loads of townies are completely unmotivated to post, because why post when people are going to shout at you, calling you a dingus? The reason why scum are allowed to lurk like crazy isn't because we aren't being aggresive enough; it's because we aren't fostering a positive enough attitude. After reading a lot of newbie games, there are logical disconnects for sure, but one thing stands out that our games have been lacking: they are actually fucking nice to each other. They build cases based off of other people's posts. They consider everyone's view points and don't go all rambo. If you want a breath of fresh air, read a newbie game. So, what am I actually trying to say with this stupid ass block of text? PLAY NICE. DONT BE EGOTISTICAL. I am not insulting anyone who has already posted; I am more so alarmed at the amount of people who haven't posted. And unless we encourage posting, encourage cases, people aren't going to post shit. tl;dr - Everyone usually thinks that town's #1 priority is scumhunting. While debatable, IMO the #1 priority is create a stable town atmosphere. To that end, encourage discussion, don't stifle it. | ||
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I don't even know why the hell I'm defending SnB this much; then again, I don't know why you are so touchy about this. You have to remember that that modkill happened very recently, so it is fresher in people's mind, especially a newbie. If you're town, you're going to be a strong asset, so I'm merely trying to diffuse a situation where it looks like you're getting worked up like shit. | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:11 Sinensis wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad. 1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan. 2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here? 3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting. So calling BH a retard is fine and if he's offended, he deserves to be, because he's retarded... right? Or are you just randomly defending some guy's OMGUS because it's against someone who is also running for mayor? What exactly are you trying to say in this post? | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:09 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad. 1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan. I'm not here to lynch SnB. I'm here to lynch Grush because he's worthless. Am I not allowed to put some pressure on SnB? Don't you find his reasoning for his choice to run for a power that's only useful to scum kinda weird? Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: 3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting. If you think me triple posting is unusual clearly you're so unfamiliar with my meta that you should just stop talking. 1. Yes. 3. This is what I'm talking about excessive negativity. You say "you don't know wtf you're talking about, so stfu". I am not a bad player. You know this. So don't tell me to stop talking, it's completely unnecessary. If you say this to someone with a weaker backbone, they will just end up resenting you. | ||
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Dude, you're the one getting all worked up and mad at me LOL! Me try to pick a fight? Seriously? I am going to fully, fully enumerate my logic and reasoning for shit right here. After this, I am completely dropping this topic because it is useless to talk about. 1. SnB says you post like a retard. 2. You get offended and post questioning on him in reference to earlier stuff. 3. I agree with your questioning on him, but I don't like how you wanted to call in the host for a retard comment. 4. You ignore what I said about the host thing, and instead focus on the retard part. You falsely think that I consider you to be a retard. 5. I say you are getting worked up, because you focus on the part of my post that you want to focus on. You then post a list of your games to prove that you are not a retard, when I already know you are not a retard. 6. I said that you deserve to be offended by being called a retard. You don't understand my posts, or maybe I was unclear, but you seem to think that I think you're bad. 7. You should care whether or not I, and other players resent you, because the excessive negativity is a reason for TL towns losing lately. I made a post about it on the other page. | ||
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9. This could be construed as a negative insult towards you, but my point in that entire post was to say "make your case built on regular shit, not you being offended+a host insult". I still don't get how you got so swiftly mad at me. Playing scum is so much easier | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:19 Sinensis wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 17:13 EchelonTee wrote: On May 27 2012 17:11 Sinensis wrote: On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad. 1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan. 2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here? 3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting. So calling BH a retard is fine and if he's offended, he deserves to be, because he's retarded... right? Or are you just randomly defending some guy's OMGUS because it's against someone who is also running for mayor? What exactly are you trying to say in this post? I'm trying to say your post and your reasons suck, BlazingHand's questions for SnB are legitimate, and the only reason I can imagine you having a problem is because BlazingHand is running against you. I'm going to make this clear, because hinting doesn't seem to be enough in this case. I AGREE THAT SNB RUNNING FOR ONLY PARDONER IS WEIRD AND IT'S COOL THAT BH WANTED TO ACCUSE HIM. I didn't want to make it so obvious because being subtle is important, believe it or not. I also said in that post that "HE DESERVES TO BE OFFENDED FOR BEING CALLED A RETARD", because BH IS NOT A RETARD AND I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT THIS. Clear enough? | ||
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Using the lynch on grush at this point is actually not as bad of an idea as I first thought. D1 lynches are hard as fck, and taking out someone bad isn't a bad plan. However, I can't agree with it for two reasons: 1. grush hasn't proven to be completely anti-town thus far, and 2. in a 30 man game, I think a D1 lynch intended to shoot at scum is possible. I would rather go for a case that can produce more discussion/controversy (controversial lynches work better towards determining alignment), and a lynch centered around grush would merely be a conversation of "well, is he bad, or BAD?". Going to play Dota 2. Nighty night. | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:34 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 17:33 Sinensis wrote: On May 27 2012 17:31 EchelonTee wrote: On May 27 2012 17:19 Sinensis wrote: On May 27 2012 17:13 EchelonTee wrote: On May 27 2012 17:11 Sinensis wrote: On May 27 2012 16:51 EchelonTee wrote: You're getting over emotional dude, and it's making you look bad. 1. If you're offended, you deserve to be, I agree, but it's starting to look like you're going to build a gigantic, overblown case on him because you got offended. SnB is easy as shit to root out as scum, so I'm not too concerned with him. I'm more so concerned with you, and building a case off of emotion isn't the best plan. 2. No, you didn't post tons of gifs and hats this game. But hey, grush hasn't been a complete anti-town loser this game either. But you want to lynch grush for stuff that he's done in a previous game. Do you see the logical disconnect here? 3. That was a pretty rapid triple post. You're not a scrub so I'm not going to assume that you were actually flustered by my light questioning, but you seem more concerned with proving yourself right and bashing people that you dislike, then actually scum hunting. So calling BH a retard is fine and if he's offended, he deserves to be, because he's retarded... right? Or are you just randomly defending some guy's OMGUS because it's against someone who is also running for mayor? What exactly are you trying to say in this post? I'm trying to say your post and your reasons suck, BlazingHand's questions for SnB are legitimate, and the only reason I can imagine you having a problem is because BlazingHand is running against you. I'm going to make this clear, because hinting doesn't seem to be enough in this case. I AGREE THAT SNB RUNNING FOR ONLY PARDONER IS WEIRD AND IT'S COOL THAT BH WANTED TO ACCUSE HIM. I didn't want to make it so obvious because being subtle is important, believe it or not. I also said in that post that "HE DESERVES TO BE OFFENDED FOR BEING CALLED A RETARD", because BH IS NOT A RETARD AND I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT THIS. Clear enough? Well it sounds like you're getting emotional so I don't know if I can trust anything you've said. You'll probably be okay with this because it's how you're playing. Honestly it's probably better just to ignore ET on this issue. I don't think communicating with him about it will lead to anything and it will likely just clog up the thread, which isn't good for town. +1 Role Call! Where are MZ, Alderan, Zealos, and Cwave? Post pls ^^ | ||
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Forumite, it's fine. My opinion on that is that it's candidate dependent, aka if Pardoner's support, or Pardoner himself seems scummy, lynch away. It shouldn't be an autolynch, because it's not as anti-town as say, a suicide vigilante or a CPR doctor. More interesting though, is that in elections, often one of the top3 vote receivers is scum. I remember in TL Mafia L, where Mayor=BC(town), Pardoner=BM(scum). So it's something to consider. | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:51 Blazinghand wrote: I was also considering intentionally voting someone into second place in order to lynch them. That could be dangerously difficult to coordinate, though. Hm......... right, put grush (or someone else) into 2nd place, then lynch them. There are very, very few scenarios where a townie holding the pardoner ability is useful. The only ones I can think of are 1. someone is DT and their green check is going to be lynched, and 2. the pardoner is someone like Foolishness, and they are sure they are right vs. the town. However, even those scenarios are not good enough, because 1. Framers 2. Could be wrong lol. Hm..... the secondary candidate would be someone with who looks scummy, so no one should randomly vote them on the basis of "I thought they were more townie than the mayor canidate"! If scum wanted to push them into the mayor position, then they would be outting their team. I could imagine: MAYOR - 18 votes SECOND - 6 votes UNACCOUNTED - 6 votes That is actually feasible, if there is enough consensus that someone is super townie. Thoughts? Specifically, is pardoner ever good from a town perspective, and would you follow a plan like this? Going for real now. | ||
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At this point in time, I would most support Mr. Wiggles as a vote (if not voting for myself). The fact that he states he will not use the pardoner power in 99% of scenarios, and his general tone is good. Also, Wiggles is a strong player who I feel has had the misfortune of being caught in scenarios where town grew incredibly complacent and stagnant (jubjub, liar), and he wasn't able to showcase his ability. If he is elected, it will force him to be more active, and thus more easily show his alignment/help town if he's on our side. I still think that I am the best mayoral candidate because I'm willing to deal with issues head on, but at the same time try (for the most part) to recognize when I am the one being an egotistical dick. So yeah, ET for Earth Leader. RE: Pardoner Since Greymist has already answered that the pardoner can indeed nullify the D1 lynch, I suppose that means that that particular plan is down the tubes. In that case, it would be best if both the pardoner and the mayor were townie. Another scenario that I considered if scum manage to get the pardoner position; if the pardoner is already under a lot of scrutiny (aka next in line to be lynched/vigged), but some other random townie is up for the lynch, then the pardoner could just use their power then. This would prompt town to be "sure" that said townie should be killed along with the pardoner, leading to 2 days of lynches w/o discussion, and only one scum killed from it. I still personally think that the extra vote is more important, but it stands that we can't let the pardoner role get away that easily. RE: grush I'll admit that grush indeed looks quite unreadable and uncooperative, but his play reminds me of MrZentor, a player who I feel I successfully read as town a few times, while everyone saw his demeanor as undeniably scummy. I might be in a skewed position (as I have played scum for quite a few of my past games), but when I was mislynching players like MrZentor, I often felt that if I had been in a town position, there were a number of heuristics that showed that the player was in fact townie. After all, it takes many posts to determine if someone is town, but often just 1 or a few posts to see if someone is scum. If he posts a decent amount, perhaps we'll be able to see something either green or red. Emphasis on perhaps. Grush, I propose that you merely remain as active as possible starting now; this is a call for you to improve your game. You won't get many second chances, so make this one count. | ||
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On May 27 2012 19:37 Hyaach wrote: is voting for mayor mandatory? because i know of no meta and play styles. I was thinking of not voting anyone into power. Voting is mandatory. You could "dump" your vote by voting yourself, but that is not the best idea. Your vote is an indication of who you think is townie, and therefore sheds some light on your own alignment. Making town reads is way easier than making scum reads, so make an informed decision later on. You don't have to base it off of meta/play style (some even think that meta is far less important than it is perceived). Read guides and stuff if you're unsure; you can find them stickied in the forum. The only way you can go wrong is if you don't logically explain why you vote the way you do. If you're not new and I sound patronizing as fck, I apologize. I'm sleeping. Euro's, please pick up where we left off. | ||
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If no scum went for/are going for election, then town is in a great position. Think TL Mafia L; sure there were bodyguards, and sure BM ended up being pardoner, but he was put in office by Foolishness, while BC and Protactinium were the top 3 vote getters. The amount of control they held because they all ran for office meant that scum was completely scared of shooting any of them, even though (if I recall) Foolishness didn't even have protection until N3 or something. The reason why I mention TL L is that Toad's mason claim reminds me of that game. The reason why mason claiming (by BC) was a good idea because of 1. multiple masons and 2. bodyguards. I'm going to assume there aren't tons of masons in the game atm as otherwise a few of them would've jumped on Toad's claim. And 2 doesn't apply here obviously; BC's claim (and subsequent installment as mayor) was good because it put him in a position of safety while he could use his mason power to prove his innocence to others, and form a town circle. Since Toad has no protection, if he is actually town mason then he will be on docket to be gunned down. We don't know if we have medics. We might even only have a jailer, who would role block him (I think). Toad, does Mason choose a target at night, or at the start of day or something like that? Can you be RB'd? Does jailer protect from 1KP, or all KP? I fail to see why you claimed in this case, Toad. If you are actually mason, this increases the likelihood that you will be shot. If you are scum, then you unnecessarily brought in expectations on you to do this or that. If mason targets at night, you could even claim "RB'd". TBH this reminds me of your vet claim; an unneeded, poorly thought out claim that outted you as scum. In this case though, a mason is a strange role. The other thing is; the only reason why you want the election is 1. to lynch "scum" and 2. because you're townie. Can't you just make a case on someone (which you have at this point) and lynch them that way? If everyone disagrees with you (surprisingly...), then perhaps your case is bad, but you would like the mayoral power to just lynch whoever the hell you want. I don't see how this is supposed to convince us of your towniness. Overall, your claim/mayorship have successfully put the thread into minor confusion. I could easily see you doing this from an anti-town perspective, but I'll re-read a few times before making a judgement. I'm also pretty surprised that no one sheeped Toad's case. Strange. | ||
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On May 28 2012 06:43 Toadesstern wrote: ok done reading. I think ET is the most likely to flip mafia for these reasons: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [#1] + On May 27 2012 11:55 EchelonTee wrote: I'm running for Mayor. Why? Because I'm never suspicious as scum, and always suspicious as town. I would never in a million years run for mayor if I was scum. You might say "Oh, he's trying to WIFOM; this is him actually being scum, running for this shiz". I would say that's slightly logical, but let's be reasonable; I could easily destroy all of you without needing to be mayor, if I was scum. Am I running off of a high from Liar Game Mafia, where I crushed a plethora of legendary scumhunters? You bet it. Another point to notice; the mayor and pardoner do not get bodyguards. Usually, the purpose of the mayoral election is not so much to control the lynch, but to protect your strongest scum hunters. Since there are no bodyguards, putting someone like [insert vet here] into that spot is just asking for them to be shot up, if they aren't scum that is. What I will do as mayor is be open and forthright, not do a lone wolf lynch. If it turns out that I look way too fcking townie, then I'll get shot by scum, and that's NBD; I'll have done enough by being denying scum the initial lynch, and taking a bullet for better townies. Last thing; I never ignore the newbies. You'll see a bunch of people run for mayor who will be like "I'm bad as scum, good as town, so I'll lynch right and this will all be good kk", but only I will actually consider cases put forth by newbies and actually judge if they have merit. While I might not be the best at hard scumhunting, compared to other players in this game, I pride myself at being able to separate "bad townies" from "newbie scum". Some examples of that are FourFace in TL Mafia LI and gumshoe in Surprisingly Normal VII. Tons of people were calling for vig shots, lynches, etc. and I just said STFU, they are townies. Let's focus. In summary, since the mayoral election does not confer protection, it is more optimal to elect someone who is open, aggressive, and tranaparent, but not necessarily the strongest town player. Therefore, I think I should be mayor. I'll do a standard scumhunt (build a case) to determine the initial lynch. #1 reads as: You can never lynch me. If am am townie I am suspicious therefore I am a townie! If I am a mafia I am not suspicious, therefore you don't lynch me. If I am suspicious because I'm not suspicious I'm actually suspicious according to my logic, therefore you can't lynch me. Funny thing is I once said the exact same thing but it was d1 and I was semi-trolling. However, he doesn't seem like a troll. #2 reads as: If I lynch a townie I'm sorry but I'm not accountable because I did what the majority wanted me to do! #3: That's really manipulative and really, is he the only one that will look at the newbie cases? He makes it sound like there's some people ignoring cases because they're nooby-cases. People ignore cases because they're along the lines of "he is bad, therefore he has to be mafia" which is just wrong. Also I don't need some minister for newbies who tells me what case has some merits and which has not. + Show Spoiler [#2] + On May 27 2012 12:14 EchelonTee wrote: A note: I will be slightly less active in this game then I have been in other town games I've played. This doesn't mean lurking at the standard I set in JubJub or Liar, but I won't be nearly as active as I was in MTG Mafia. I feel that it did not work the greatest in that game (game not finished, will not discuss further). Sure, this is probably a notch against me to be mayor, but I thought I would just put it out there. If you prefer an active mayor, vote for VE. I hear he's easy to read. What would be the reasoning for a townie to post something like that. I don't need someone to post some excuses some hours into the game. If you're away for a day or something, awesome, post that because we want to know about that game. If you want to change your style in general post that before the game started like I did in C9++ #2 because that post looks so bad. It's overtransparent when he really should now that it's looking fishy for the excuse-part. So the point of that post is to be transparent when noone cares about something like that. Why would he want to be that transparent. I don't need him to tell me when he's going to the toilet either. + Show Spoiler [#3] + On May 27 2012 12:30 EchelonTee wrote: You're smart to consider the scenarios, which bodes well for this game. Consider that the pardoner will have some amount of town-cred, to be elected in the first place. To save their scummy lynch mate, they would have to out themselves. Not a very good play, unless the person they are saving is a stronger PR role than themself. I actually kind of wonder how Pardoner is a good role at all, to be perfectly honest. The more dangerous role is the +1 vote that the mayor has. If a scum gets voted as mayor, they could potentially live til LYLO, which would be instant GG. It is extremely vital that a townie gets voted to mayor, and slightly less so important who is pardoner. #1: Is what I consider being manipulative #2: Is fearmongering. Come on... A mayor with bodyguards never makes it into LYLO because he's lynched or killed well before that. Just think about your last election-based game (unless it's holyroman, caller games don't count) and think about how long the mayor lasted. And he's scared about a mayor without bodyguards lasting until LYLO? + Show Spoiler [#4] + On May 27 2012 16:36 EchelonTee wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote: Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host. Come on BH, he's a newbie. You're acting like a TLMafia brat, threatening to call in the host, which is also unproductive to the discussion. You post gifs and pix of you eating hats all the time, so his reference to your trolling isn't wholly inaccurate lol. Continuing, do you think grush's posting thus far is scummy? If yes, then how so? On May 27 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote: Please do not state that I post like a retard or a troll half the time. I find this offensive and unproductive to our discussion. It is also inaccurate. I take this game very seriously, and your implication that I do not is troubling. If you continue to insist that my posting is retarded and trolling, I will complain to the host. So your initial reasoning for why you wanted the role, as you wrote it, was: Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 13:46 strongandbig wrote: So, why am I running for vice leader/pardoner? Well, last game I played was my first time being a blue role, and it was really fun; I want to try something new this game as well. But now it's Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 15:32 strongandbig wrote: And the question "why are you trying to get a power that's almost useless for town but super useful for scum" has a retardedly obvious answer, doesn't it? So scum can't have that power? Were you lying then or are you lying now? Why is he quoting that part but completly ignoring the rest? BH may or may not have valid points, that's up to you but those points are ACTUALLY USEFUL and something to talk about. Yet he picks the only part of the post that is completly useless to town and talks about that and again, it's really easy to talk about issues like that for both alignments. + Show Spoiler [#5] + On May 27 2012 17:06 EchelonTee wrote: The State of TL Towns It's no secret that TL Towns have been in a state of disarray. Unfortunately, none of you know my alignment so you will be forced to take this post with a grain of salt, but hopefully you will be able to take my words in and see them as logical. This game is starting to unfold how many typical games have gone thus far. A small handful of posters come out strong; evenly divided between strong, veteran personalities and newer, eager to play people. Mixed inbetween these people are obviously a few scum, but what inevitably happens is some newer player slips up, and then the hounds come into slay the newbie. Some people argue "don't lynch X, they are town"; others argue "why the f*** are you defending this terrible play". Meanwhile, scum can prod on these easy mislynches and cruise to victory. This is generally how a mafia game should unfold; however, the issue lately has been that cases have been built solely on stuff like "this guy is fcking bad. he is SCUMMY", instead of analyzing motivations, actions, or agendas. Meanwhile, discussion that happens around the lynches is just downright embaressing. People going around saying "you haven't contributed shit", "you're a dipshit", etc. Often what I see said about other players is something like "Yeah, I don't think Y is scum, but he's an asshole". Because of this, loads of townies are completely unmotivated to post, because why post when people are going to shout at you, calling you a dingus? The reason why scum are allowed to lurk like crazy isn't because we aren't being aggresive enough; it's because we aren't fostering a positive enough attitude. After reading a lot of newbie games, there are logical disconnects for sure, but one thing stands out that our games have been lacking: they are actually fucking nice to each other. They build cases based off of other people's posts. They consider everyone's view points and don't go all rambo. If you want a breath of fresh air, read a newbie game. So, what am I actually trying to say with this stupid ass block of text? PLAY NICE. DONT BE EGOTISTICAL. I am not insulting anyone who has already posted; I am more so alarmed at the amount of people who haven't posted. And unless we encourage posting, encourage cases, people aren't going to post shit. tl;dr - Everyone usually thinks that town's #1 priority is scumhunting. While debatable, IMO the #1 priority is create a stable town atmosphere. To that end, encourage discussion, don't stifle it. I don't by it that he's THAT frightned about the town atmosphere. That's again so easy to post from a mafia point of view and it looks like you are contributing a lot while it's so easy to do. Yeah he might have a point but he focuses on that A LOT. There's basicly nothing else in his filter + Show Spoiler [#6] + On May 27 2012 17:39 EchelonTee wrote: I'm done arguing with you BH; it's clear that I have been patronizing in more than one way, but I hope you see the points that I've tried to make. Let's just cool down and reapproach things, ok? Using the lynch on grush at this point is actually not as bad of an idea as I first thought. D1 lynches are hard as fck, and taking out someone bad isn't a bad plan. However, I can't agree with it for two reasons: 1. grush hasn't proven to be completely anti-town thus far, and 2. in a 30 man game, I think a D1 lynch intended to shoot at scum is possible. I would rather go for a case that can produce more discussion/controversy (controversial lynches work better towards determining alignment), and a lynch centered around grush would merely be a conversation of "well, is he bad, or BAD?". Going to play Dota 2. Nighty night. So policy lynching isn't bad because it's so hard to lynch mafia d1 but we should lynch mafia d1 because we have a good chance to lynch mafia d1 in his opinions? + Show Spoiler [#7] + On May 27 2012 17:50 EchelonTee wrote: People read this if you haven't please. It's not content heavy, more so a plea for people to play nice and, you know, post more. Forumite, it's fine. My opinion on that is that it's candidate dependent, aka if Pardoner's support, or Pardoner himself seems scummy, lynch away. It shouldn't be an autolynch, because it's not as anti-town as say, a suicide vigilante or a CPR doctor. More interesting though, is that in elections, often one of the top3 vote receivers is scum. I remember in TL Mafia L, where Mayor=BC(town), Pardoner=BM(scum). So it's something to consider. I totally disagree. These elections are a joke and only the mayor one is of any use if you really think you are good d1 as townie. There's no bodyguards in this election so comparing them to other games really sucks in general. The statement "withing top3 votegetters there's usually a mafia" is totally out of place considering the no-BG thing and people probaby expect the elected roles to die early on (not d1 all the time but early on in general). + Show Spoiler [#8] + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=16#306 And I have again that feeling that he's trying to look helpful rather than being helpful. That post is so over the top. I'd give him a decent chance to flip mafia right now but I'd like to see him posting more because I'm not sure if he's really the best case yet but I find it troublesome that people consider him a good option right now for nothing other than his "I care about noobs"-posts. I love breaking down PBPA because it's often always skewed to seeing things from one perspective, and when you show the town perspective, the case completely breaks down. Of even if you simply ask "how does X actually make me scummy", you find that there's nothing. 1. My point in saying the suspicious thing is to say why I would not run for mayor if I was scum, which is completely true. I honestly don't understand how I do not get figured out as scum, because there are obvious heuristics to my scum play; in this case, running for a mayor election with no protection is useless and attention grabbing for scum, and I would simply not do it. For town, it's good for the discussion, and to prove towniness. As mayor, I would be fully accountable to the lynch. I don't see how I shied away from accountability here. I said the newbie thing because it's true; yall are mean to newbies / completely ignore them. It's why I was able to stomp my first 5 games; everyone seriously underesstimated me because I was a noob. Don't ignore the newbies b/c 1. they can help or 2. they can be scum. Of these, only the 2nd point actually indicates how I could be scummy, but it's simply not true; by running for mayor, I introduce accountability. 2.What motivation do I have for posting that if I'm scum? I could just simply lurk without saying anything. I learned that in my first game (as scum); just fcking lurk and say nothing and no one will notice. That post is, at worse, null. 3.The last election game I played, the mayor never died. He wasn't even close to dying, because town control was so good. The +1 vote is important; I've seen politician/floridian roles win games before. Not sure how me talking about the power of the mayor role makes me scummy; if the election is completely unimportant, then we should just follow kita's route; elect someone not even running. 4.I quoted that part because I was concerned (in a dickish, patronizing way) that BH was getting offended at that point. I didn't quote the rest because I agreed with the strange SnB turn, and wanted to wait for SnB to respond. I already posted this in thread. 5.I posted this b/c this is the first town game I've had in a while, and as scum I've sadly watch my friends and comrades beat the shit out of each other for no reason. Frankly, I'm tired of it. If I was scum, I wouldn't have posted that because I like winning. There is simply no reason for me to post that. Perhaps I'm being cocky (well, I did beat Foolishness, Syllo, etc etc recently...), but if I was scum, I could have posted ANYTHING ELSE and looked constructive, easily. That post isn't a scum tell at all; at worst it's null. 6.I said policy lynching isn't BAD bad, but I'd prefer not to because I think scum can be lynched. ....Yeah. How is that scummy? 7.So you disagree with my sentinment, and think my top3 comment is out of place. How does that make me scummy? 8. How does that make me scummy? That wasn't nearly as fun as I thought it would be I would format this post better for readability, but tbh your case is so bad LOL | ||
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On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote: On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote: On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote: On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote: On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote: On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote: If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK? What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ? And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute. The BH thing did not go the way I wanted to, so yeah lol, you have a minor point there. But you did say "I think ET is most likely to flip mafia". That's something that I won't take lightly, Toad. | ||
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss | ||
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You're point about vets, while logical, doesn't make any sense for why they should be elected. If a vet has a strong town 1 read, they should present it and push it as per normal. A vet doesn't need a mayor power, or even an additional vote to get their scumread killed, if they actually have a case. If you are suggesting that we let a vet have the power so that they can lynch someone without a full case presented, I can't agree with that, as the only person who can have a pass like that is maybe Palmar. Like I said, if you truly think that the mayoral election is utterly useless, let's elect Hyaach. It's also interesting how you seemed to push hard towards being mayor, even claiming, yet now you are starting to shy away. Unless you are suggesting that you are the vet who deserves the spot? austin, I believe it was toad, not jaj who said it was manipulative. I'm going to watch the Muppets, then post my case on who I think should be lynched. In the mean time, no one else has any other cases to present? Just because there is a mayoral election, doesn't mean that scumhunting shouldn't go on. | ||
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power. Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far. If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why? I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Zealos: Here are my thoughts guys: 1. I would be happy to FoS him (???), but don't want to for no particular reason. 2. Setup speculation when the time is past. 3. I think a bunch of people are town. 4. Let's kill the guy everyone wants to kill. 5. I'm busy. I need to review his meta, but no one else is getting alarm bells from posts like these? | ||
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I highly disagree with a Sinensis lynch at this time. Sinensis is a player who has much improved since his first few games, but people who have played with him should remember that he can be very stubborn and set in his reads. In SoaF, convinced that BH was scum, he voted BH before the Day Post had come, where BH promptly flipped town doctor. In surprisingly normal VII, he wanted to lynch prplhz, a claimed vig who had shot scum. Sinensis is someone who can have a read and will stick to it until he dies. Why would he run for mayor, if he was scum who wanted to find a way to be "unaccountable"? He could've just said "I want to kill grush. Therefore I vote for BH", and be done with it. The way he has done it, he has produced a lot of unnecessary attention. I am more curious to see him D2, when he should be done talking about grush. Then it will be more obvious if he is scum. | ||
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VE doesn't buddy that much as scum as far as I can remember... his thread bombing abilities are usually a stronger tool. Your opinions on other people I tend to agree with. | ||
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RE: Strongandbig This case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB. His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum. While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it. The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it. He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case.+ Show Spoiler + This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum. It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ... And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta. Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess. His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1. His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games. Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong. I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis. | ||
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On May 29 2012 05:53 jaj22 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 29 2012 05:22 EchelonTee wrote: Something to note; almost all people have said "I would be down with killing Sinensis!". Some have said the same about SnB, but many have said "I am sort of suspicious, but want more info first". Some players who haven't said "I would be down with killing Sinensis!". Probably not a complete list: papapanda: Ignored the issue, despite mentioning BH, Grush and Sinensis and having played LIV. austinmcc: Very hedgy post on Grush vs Sinensis. Supersoft: Ignored the issue. Hyaach: Doesn't want policy lynch, but ignored Sinensis question otherwise. Toad: Thinks Sinensis's play is too bold for a mafia. Plus all the lurkers who have said nothing about anything. austin and toad said they didn't think they were down with Sinensis, but they gave reasons. I posted 4 people in my analysis who said they didn't want to lynch SnB because 1. he's easy to read as town and 2. need more information. I see a disconnect between the two bandwagons. | ||
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MZ, opinions on the lynch as it's proceeding? Going to LoL. Will be around for deadline. | ||
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I also don't think your case on supersoft is good. My biggest point on you is the whole "no opinions on people". Any other lynch candidates? | ||
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On May 29 2012 06:57 Hassybaby wrote: Side note: ET where the fuck was your team in the TL Dota2 Open? + Show Spoiler + I completely fucked up and didn't have times right... felt like shit. Should've messaged you after. | ||
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The reason why I don't particularly want to lynch Mattchew atm is because he is probably just busy. He has played active scum games before, so him just lurking =/= scum. Uncharacteristic though, for sure. I would be ok with a Zealos lynch, but it doesn't have much grounding atm. If I was elected, Zealos would probably be my 2nd choice. I don't agree with a Sinensis lynch because I don't think he is scum, but it stands that he is not very contributive and his death wouldn't be as bad as whiffing a lynch on say, Toad, but I don't agree with the lynch. | ||
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I think I'll lynch Zealos over SnB, if elected, since SnB's response was not too bad. | ||
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On May 29 2012 07:58 supersoft wrote: can you summarize me what happened in the last TL.net mafias so far? And why are people voting wriggles and this Echlonguy into office?! What happened to kitaman? why isn't he running? can we vig him for that or is that his new townstyle? World is crazy Kitaman hasn't played that much recently, but as MZ and VE said, he is acting quite unusually. I'm new. Wiggles is cool. | ||
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Supersoft, you really haven't noticed that myself and Mr. Wiggles were at all getting votes? How AWOL have you been? T_T catch up broseph. There's a case, but I don't think it's satisfactory. The deadline is now right? I'm not mistaken? | ||
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On May 27 2012 11:55 EchelonTee wrote: While I might not be the best at hard scumhunting, compared to other players in this game, I pride myself at being able to separate "bad townies" from "newbie scum". On May 29 2012 05:05 EchelonTee wrote: -__________________-RE: Sinensis I highly disagree with a Sinensis lynch at this time. Sinensis is a player who has much improved since his first few games, but people who have played with him should remember that he can be very stubborn and set in his reads. In SoaF, convinced that BH was scum, he voted BH before the Day Post had come, where BH promptly flipped town doctor. In surprisingly normal VII, he wanted to lynch prplhz, a claimed vig who had shot scum. Sinensis is someone who can have a read and will stick to it until he dies. Why would he run for mayor, if he was scum who wanted to find a way to be "unaccountable"? He could've just said "I want to kill grush. Therefore I vote for BH", and be done with it. The way he has done it, he has produced a lot of unnecessary attention. I am more curious to see him D2, when he should be done talking about grush. Then it will be more obvious if he is scum. call me bad all you want, I can find townies at the very least. We're not in too bad of a situation though, depending on night actions. It's up to jailers and medics to decide what they want to do. Toad's crypticism could prove useful though. I would ask more questions about your mason role, but you seem predisposed to secrecy. Obviously, you should pick someone you think is town so 1. you don't get scum manipulated 2. you can start to consolidate reads, form a town circle, etc. If you don't want to pick someone who will be shot, just WIFOM lol. It's highly likely that not all of us will live through the night (I'm talking to you guys), so I will put down some reads/suspicions before the night ends and I hope others do the same. | ||
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On May 29 2012 11:40 Kenpachi wrote: ah.. time went by so fast. i wasnt sure who i wanted to vote for so i left to play Civ 5 and i realized hours went by pretty fast. That's cool. Do you still think Zealos is scummy? | ||
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On May 29 2012 01:03 Kenpachi wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power. Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far. If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why? I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. I like how this guy associates day 1 lurking to "could well be scum" (Hyaach). He also calls himself a bit lurky on day 1. PRETTY hypocritical. i feel hes just saying whatever he wants. The language is odd entirely in this post so lets look back into his posts. Show nested quote + On May 27 2012 18:28 Zealos wrote: Hi guys, I'm a vanilla townie, and I'm gonna try not to get too emotionally attached when I play this game, to avoid cluttering. copycat! didnt even copy in flayvor (Arrsling) ... thats it. fuck i cant call him scum but ill still bring it to the front stage This indicated that you thought he was odd, but not quite scum. Is your opinion still the same Kenpachi? | ||
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On May 29 2012 13:32 sToFu wrote: Show nested quote + On May 29 2012 13:04 jaj22 wrote: Picking some fights with lurkers: On May 29 2012 08:37 sToFu wrote: On May 29 2012 07:01 jaj22 wrote: @SToFu: Who do you think is scum? I would be more inclined to believe, at this point, that toad is lyncher. As far as scum goes, sinesis has acted incredibly suspiciously and ss just rubs me in the wrong way. I'm on my phone, so I'll write a more detailed response when I get home. Broken promise notification. Do you still want it? Yes. | ||
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Matty-Matty-chew, where are you? We've got some work to do now~ | ||
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On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote: hey i really appreciate your effort, but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town. It's not a super strong case, but it is a case. Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town. are you actually good? I can't really tell, you just seem predisposed to calling everyone else bad. You're not Palmar bro. | ||
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On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote: aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/ this seems to contradict your whole "the sinensis lynch was horrible!". what gives bro? | ||
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wbg don't piss off VE pls. hi marv. Is ange777 new? Welcome. | ||
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On May 30 2012 03:33 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On May 30 2012 02:47 jaj22 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 01:57 supersoft wrote: okay let's play a game: i give you a name and we both write down what we think about his posts and we'll trade it in like 20min (got to eat meanwhile): meapak_ziph Ok, I'll play. Slightly scummy stuff: - Not running for election despite relatively strong standing. - Possible buddying/overpraising of ET, Wiggles and Kita. - Dismisses Toad's case against ET without addressing the points. - Seems to be ok with policy-lynching Sinensis. - Story clearly pictures Kita as depressed town. Soft defence? - Switches Kita to a scum read without explanation. - Avoids giving read on SnB. Excuse that he hasn't read him. - No mention at all of Zealos. On the plus side he's been active and he's contributed on most of the major issues without looking hesitant or indecisive. The lack of reads on SnB and Zealos is by far the worst part. okay cool. I didn't read your post and I am glad we have almost the same/similar result. interesting. Show nested quote + On May 30 2012 02:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Supersoft, are you scum, or are you just acting silly on purpose? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 00:04 supersoft wrote: hey i really appreciate your effort, but why are you guys always trying so hard. Finding scum is a lot easier than you might think. Don't think around 3 corners. Try to catch the little things. Like that Zealos defends toad at a point when it was really useless to defend him. Neither was he in danger of getting lynched, nor is reducing the pressure that is currently put on a player helping the town. A reasonable explanation for his behaviour is that he's scum, he knows Toad is not. He wanted to get a little towncred. Or not even this, he just wanted to say something. Maybe Toad is even scum, too... See? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for his behaviour if he's scum and almost none if he's town. It's not a super strong case, but it is a case. Every other case so far except my toadcase (who is currently on ice until he's confirmed mason) was uncovered and not well thought out. Especially our lynch yesterday. That case was terrible. There was really nothing about it. I could write a lot about why this player was a bad lynch. From an overall gamepolicy point of view because we got no information - maybe some about wiggles - and an individual point of view, because he obviously was town. Here you say that the case was terrible and sinensis was obviously town. As well, you say that it was a bad lynch. However, when it was actually Day 1, you said no such things. It's only now, after sinensis has flipped that you're coming in here making posts about how he was very obviously town and that the lynch was terrible. The closest (and only!) post to that from before the flip is this: On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote: aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/ In which it is not a very good defense of a player who is "obviously" town. It's not going to do anything to change someone's mind. As well, this came after I said that if elected I would lynch sinensis, so there's no excuse like what you said in this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2012 21:35 supersoft wrote: please dont protect wiggles. i'd rather vig him than protect him. he's been completely useless so far as toad pointed out correctly. you also should read my filter more often! all of you. dropped some truth already. + i want to apologize to wiggles first victim: i realized too late, that you were actually going to die. next time i'll yell much more at them. how retarded was that lynch... i think wiggles needs to die for not listening to the town at the end. i dont buy it that he wasnt around at deadline since he was the one who got elected. i think if zealos is scum, wiggles looks really bad and should die. i doubt that he'll be able to erase the doubts then. 70% chance he's scum if zealos is. Of not realizing I was actually going to kill him. I made that very clear in my post, where I stated, "If elected mayor, I'm planning on lynching Sinensis". I don't think it gets any clearer than that. So, you did nothing to try to convince anyone that sinensis was town, which wasn't obvious, considering I had the support of 11 people in lynching him, and you did nothing to convince me to change the lynch. However, after the lynch you're now up in arms about my lynch choice and how I've acted. So, you're either being silly, or you're trying to shovel suspicion on me because I mislynched and just became a lot easier of a target to do so on. Here's a question for you. If you believed so strongly in these things, why do you only mention them after the flip, and not before when it actually matters and can make a difference? I also disagree with what Toad said, but that comes down to what we thought about lynches, and who was a good lynch. Obviously, we disagreed. Okay I have to admit, I really didn't pay enough attention to the votes. I think I already wrote that down somewhere. Bad play. Really. But as far as i know, we discussed zealos as a lynchtarget while you were still around. You didn't react and killed sinesis instead. I dind't pay too much attention, because I thought we could swing something around in the last hour. Somehow i am used to that especially when there is one guy deciding who to lynch. In my eyes the common sense at the end of day1 was that zealos is the best lynch. However you refused to carry out that lynch, you failed and now we're here. Moreover I thought i don't need to defend sinsanis more than that, because we already had a better target. I mean I told you I think he's town. there is not much about it. When I thought about him later more deeply, and reread your cases, I saw that you had nothing real against him. Poor logic and nothing else. Obviously i speak that out. Now you can't turn that around and blame me for not coming forward with that earlier?! I somehow trusted the general consens and hadn't had time yesterday to go into detail. Now I see more clearly and not because sinsasis flipped. You guys were policy lynching him because he wanted to policylynch. That was really bad. Really. Don't argue about that. I am not stupid. Show nested quote + On May 30 2012 03:05 strongandbig wrote: On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote: My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. As long as we're talking about super soft, I still haven't heard any response other than "wrong" explaining how this plan is not super scummy. it's not "super scummy". You failed to explain what's so scummy about that. Your assumption that everyone votes anyone is just wrong. It won't happen. The votes will be on a few players, people can reasonable explain why they think that these particular players are town. Regarding the lanchtarget I favored a "democratic" system independant from the mayorelection. In my eyes that would have been the most reasonable thing. Zealos was discussed as a lynch target briefly, but only like you, Forumite, and myself actually said "I would like to lynch this guy. That's not consensus. You also spent most of the time bashing everyone else, calling us all bad, instead of actually trying to push your read. Read my damn filter. I state that I didn't think Sinensis is scum and I said why. What did you do? Nothing? Yeah, nothing. "you told him you think he's town?" You don't even once mention that you think Sinensis is town! You're compltely, unashamedly lying in this post here. And you didn't even notice the votes?? You didn't know that me and Wiggles were being elected???? Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say because you're not even following the game, while calling for vig shots. You have absolutely no right to call anyone bad; shape up and stop being arrogant. | ||
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On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote: hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL On May 29 2012 08:25 supersoft wrote: aww yeah i filtered this sinensis real quick. Completely useless fellow, hang him if you want. Reducing disturbing noise is better than nothing. I'd prefer reducing mafia kp, but you cannot have it all :-/ ?? On May 29 2012 05:05 EchelonTee wrote: RE: Sinensis I highly disagree with a Sinensis lynch at this time. lolololo | ||
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"I was being ironic before" - nice excuse. "reducing noise is essentially nothing" - why didn't you articulate this earlier? "you cannot have it all, and this is" - this makes no sense. Damn, we lost MG =/ That guy says what he means. Which is important, believe it or not? | ||
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Forumite = assassin; likely a mafia shot, because he looked fairly townie to me. And 2 other missing KP? Dayum, we have some good blues looking over us. | ||
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On May 24 2012 16:35 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On May 24 2012 16:31 EchelonTee wrote: 3rd party roles look awesome Does jailer notify his target? Can parity cop target self? Does parity cop have sanities? Does hatter trigger bombs only from NK, or also from lynch? Can framer target self? Traitor can't be recruited, SK has no DT or NK immunity? Are Assassin and Lyncher fully aware of their targets? If so, doesn't that mean Assassin can just shoot first night for easy victory, while Lyncher has to work? Parity cop cannot target self and is only sane Hatter triggers bombs when he dies by any means Framer may not target self Traitor can't be recruited, SK has NK immunity Assassin and Lyncher will not be shooting blind I asked the question a while ago but it wasn't answered :o | ||
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Forumite could've been doublestacked. Mattchew the last KP, unless someone claims a medic protect. I'm curious why he got shot. VE RB'd by jailer, or mafia RBer. Do we have any other RB claims? Could shed light on mafia roles. | ||
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May 30 2012 21:02 GMT
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May 30 2012 21:25 GMT
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With no town deaths I think it's worth it to go for a "tough" lynch. I've talked with Mattchew about this; when you're in LYLO and you're fn desparate, you go for newbie scum easy lynches, but now that it's D2 and we've had only 1 town die, we're in a decent position to go for a scum vet. Kitaman is a strong town player; I don't have that much experience with him, but in TL L it was pretty damn obvious he was town (I believe he got medic'd D1?). In this game, the extent of his contributions have been 1. talk about Toad being lyncher for a while 2. accuse VE of being scum for not wanting Toad elected The first one is an easy way to not talk about lynching scum. The second one isn't proof of VE's scumminess; toad wanted to lynch me for a while, so I would think that people not voting for Toad = they think I'm town. He never responded to VE's question "what do you think of Zealos". He hasn't been very present in town sht at all. It really seems like he's trying to stay under the radar. Why do people no longer suspect Kita? Or do they still do? | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:26 Ange777 wrote: What's a gay-phone-session from AC???? ^ tons of us weren't in that game. What's differnece btwn mason and mason recruiter? I can't honestly believe that all of: Wiggles, Kita, MZ, VE, BH, WBG are ALL town. That would be like. OP. If I can't build a case on any of you, then I would support lynching one of Manason, G32, or Zealos, but I feel like going for a controversial lynch would yield bigger dividends. Higher risk, higher reward. | ||
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May 30 2012 21:34 GMT
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In SS Mafia, in response to pressure SnB was all like "pls... believe me I'm town... " In this game he's more like "....I'm town you moron". | ||
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May 30 2012 23:19 GMT
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1. lynch Zealos 2. if he's scum, Wiggles looks bad I can agree with that. But that doesn't make VE look worse; he said zealos looks bad here. | ||
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On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote: Show nested quote + On May 30 2012 23:08 Mattchew wrote: On May 30 2012 22:45 supersoft wrote: okay how many people took bullets? MZ took a hit wherebugsgo took a hit both of them were saved. Forumite took a hit aswell. Vigs who shot one of them must claim now. On May 30 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote: Hey guys... I wasn't shot... But strongandbig fell into my trap cause he knew this (Aka his team didn't shoot me)... If the trap failed it would have made scum believe there was a vig shot already used or an sk or something (Aka giving them fake game info) so it seemed like a win-win this is so strange. Might be scum panicking after he saw that no townplayer died. I didn't even wait for WBG to claim his hit, how is that panicking... Did you read the post in context to the entire thread or just in my filter or quoted somewhere? fuck you okay? I hate to deal with idiots like you. Of course i read that shit in the context. Noone claimes so far. You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude. I realise this is 10pgs ago, but can you not say shit like this? Seriously, just being a huge dick. | ||
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"you complaining about the timing of my vote on Zealos, even though no one has actually complained about it yet? Well, these other people did the same thing! I'm not going to defend my own actions, instead, bash others!" | ||
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Alright alright, as much as I love to be hypocritical (didn't read lol), let's slow down posting a bit. Still need to catch up, and this is starting to approach TL LI levels of spam. | ||
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power. Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far. If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why? I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. This is the crux of the case on Zealos. You replaced in, so maybe you don't have a frame, but this one post is why Zealos looks incredible scummy. You don't find scum by making an extended PBPA case; anyone, literally anyone can do that. You only need 1 post to find scum, and this is it. I'm sad to see that the spam continued. Do you know what is happening right now? It's the Avengers: we're all arguing with each other instead of consolidating. Stop the infighting, and kill Loki, aka VE. VE scum, Zealos scum. We lynch Zealos today, thats it. Stop spamming. We're not lynching kita. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: let's be clear. We're not lynching zealos. We're not lynching gambit. We're not lynching hyaach. We're not gonna lynch any of the other half assed "cases" people have done. We're gonna kill VE. ok. you have my support. | ||
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On May 31 2012 17:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On May 31 2012 17:00 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't like lynching VE cause he always flips town whenever he does scummy shit. that's horrible reasoning. Get your ass in gear and give me an alternative, I know you can do better than this. I'm going to bed. sigh... you would think it's horrible reasoning, but let's review some recent history (that you might've missed!) TL Mafia LI - VE claims DT at a very random time, is actually Mafia! are we on to something? TL Mafia LIII - VE claims JK at a sort of random time, flips JK. Aw. MTG Mini Mafia - VE claims Doc at very random time, flips doctor. Hrm. Liar Game Mafia - VE gets mad at Ace/WBG, flips town. Wheel of Mini Mafia - VE makes no cases or w.e, flips scum. Infurtinagly enough, VE has played pretty scummily in a lot of his recent games, and often getting blue/scum (4/5 of his games). Let's review our options. 1. Kill VE +Hit potential scum, who is very dangerous if red. +Unravels a lot of schemes, and gives more information than probably any other lynch +don't have to play the WIFOM game (I got rb'd again) or (see, I shot my target, but what if his scum team used a KP, and feign a doublestack on some other player?) - lose a vig, if wrong - lose a vet, if wrong 2. Kill Zealos +Hit potential scum, who a decent amount of people think is scum, but is by no means an ez mode mislynch +gives some information, as there has been people who want to lynch others over him +Potentially have a blue VE on our side -have to play the WIFOM game with VE Either way, it is extremely important that we reduce scum KP asap or this game will go south, so obviously we should lynch who we think has a higher chance of flipping scum. This seems like a classic "high risk, high reward" scenario. I could see VE being vig here, but if he's scum he'd definitely claim right about now. Then again, if we're sure about Zealos, he's a better kill. I'd like to hear Wiggles' opinion on this. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: *shrug* Kita the Iggins the Lyncher thanks you for your patronage. VE, I thought you were suggesting that Kita was Lyncher? Your part 1 is decent, but your part 2 consists of you thinking that Kita's focusing on Lyncher = him scum. So what is it? Kita is Lyncher or scum? If you think he's Lyncher (as previously stated), then as you stated, it's sort of a joke role that isn't currently a threat to us. You also ignore all of Kita's D2 posts, which are better than his D1 posts. I can't take your case seriously when half of yoru case is talking about the lyncher stuff, which isn't that scummy lol. If I compare Kita's play 1-1 between storm and this, it does look different, but if I compare it 1-1 to TL Mafia L, it doesn't look that different. Sure, in that game he ran for mayor, but most of his D1 play was concerned with setup/the election, and not that much on scumhunting. Well, going to watch TL get owned in GSTL everyone, better comment whether you want VE, Zealos, or someone else lynched. | ||
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On May 31 2012 19:11 Zealos wrote: Can someone summarise the VE case for me? I really can't keep up with this thread atm guys, sorry :/ Feeling very useless atm. The VE case | ||
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It would seem to confirm him, but what if scum use one of their KP to shoot his intended vig target? VE could argue that he had shot his target as planned, and that one of the other two dead guys was double stacked. The only way that WIFOM would be avoided is if another 1337 medic save complicates things. Wiggles, where are you? Mattchew? | ||
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On May 31 2012 19:44 supersoft wrote: watchers on VE Scum team selects him to put that shot forth. | ||
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May 31 2012 22:04 GMT
#1888
On June 01 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Why don't you comment on my Kita case MZ? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would value your opinion on it. I did, your kita case is bad and I said why in detail. On June 01 2012 04:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh I just realized that literally nobody actually bothered to read my second part closely. I posted part 1 in a spoiler but accidentally posted part 2 again... and nobody has pointed that out lolol. Please read things closer. I mentioned that the 2nd part was double posted subtly, when I posted links. I'm reading. On June 01 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm at the mercy of town at this point, if you want to direct my shot I will absolutely comply. But, take that for what it's worth...the word of a man on the block. I have nothing to gain from lying to you, because as it stands I'm going to die anyway. If I were scum and lying, it will be obvious tomorrow after the night actions. And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone. SK is bulletproof. I'm not sure why you bring up SK at this point; you should be tryign to prove your town/vig, but I spose it's too late or w.e. On June 01 2012 05:11 grush57 wrote: Argh stop spam it has been 20 pages since I went to bed and my eyes hurt for reading. Get VE, my eyes won't hurt as much. If he is town Wiggles will be godfather. If mafia, one mafia down and Wiggles is a betrayer godfather. I believe in you MZ! (Even though my starsenses disagree, I have to) ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is a weird post. How are you suggesting that Wiggles is godfather? On June 01 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: I fucking detest this 'let's get it over with' sentiment that both wbg and Toad have expressed on this page. It makes my blood curdle. I'm merrily sitting on the fence whether VE is town or scum. In the past I've voted to lynch him twice, and he was town, and in LI I didn't vote to lynch him, and he was scum. There's things I don't like about VE - the Zealos issue, and his meta case on kita, but there is waaaaaaaay too much stuff being read as a narrative. Almost anyone's filter can be made to read scummily if you want it to, but everything he says is being fit to this narrative without looking at the alternative. There's really too much "oh, might as well". Does everyone voting VE genuinely believe he's scum? Obviously this isn't aimed at kita/MZ/Toad, but the rest of you. Is he the best chance of flipping scum for today or are you being led by vocal people? I think he's scum based a lot off of MZ's case; his fixation on the lyncher role (and being against Toad despite the fact that he had 0 chance of being scum), and his continous flipfloppiness and lack of focus. I'll admit that I was against toad being elected simply because I don't like him having power (<3), but I articulated that it was very unlikely that Toad was scum, while VE tried to cast suspicion on him, even after the night actions and he had become masoned. VE claims to be intent on scumhunting, but for the most part hasn't made any big cases on his own other than the kita case, which is bad. all of his other targets originated from other sources, such as Zealos, G32. I might be mistaken (perhaps he did start a few small cases?), but for the most part, VE is playing very loose and unfocused, which you could argue is a lot like his town play, but he feels a lot more like TL LI VE atm. Shit up the thread, have little focus, try and make a ballooned up case when the going gets tough. Seriously, the case kita is quite bad. On June 01 2012 06:19 papapanda wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2012 06:16 Mattchew wrote: On June 01 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote: Grush, if you starsense is telling you VE is not scum, don't vote for him...vote for who you believe to be scum; I would recommend wriggles(long as its not me) Gambit didn't respond yet, if he ninjas today he is dead tomorrow. The only reliable way I can think of to confirm VE is 1)tell him who to shoot 2)someone protect the target 3) target tells us whats up. Before you post comments on why this is a stupid plan, I want to say that I agree it's a stupid plan and this is not going to happen tonight because so many things can go wrong. #Vote:VE You want him to vote wiggles, but you vote VE? Not in particular, I want him to vote for someone who he thinks is scum from his list of read. And he voted kita so nevermind i guess, just saying that voting for someone who you don't think is scum doesn't make much sense. scum On June 01 2012 06:39 jaj22 wrote: Tactically speaking, people who don't want to lynch VE should be putting their votes on Zealos unless they'd rather have a no-lynch. The case against Kitaman is weak and he's another veteran-lynch: People are likely to think in terms of the best veteran-lynch vs the best lurker-lynch. And yeah, I'm having doubts myself about VE. A lot of his filter looks quite town, even if it's spammy unfocused town. And we'll have to start killing lurkers sometime. If we can't confirm VE one way or another on day 3 it's going to be horrible though. looking bad depending on the flip | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
May 31 2012 22:05 GMT
#1889
On June 01 2012 06:57 Ange777 wrote: I am on page 86 ... and VE you really don't look good. We still have one hour till deadline right? yep, 1 hour. get your votes in folks. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
May 31 2012 23:46 GMT
#2010
Sorry VE =/ Conveniently enough got a "double lynch" of VE/Zealos, which was what I wanted, tbh. This is ok. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
May 31 2012 23:56 GMT
#2013
what do people think of jaj? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:01 GMT
#2020
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:04 GMT
#2027
On June 01 2012 08:07 kitaman27 wrote: Dang it VE, you distracted me from pushing my true target, Zealos! what kind of weird ass post is this? ????????????????????????????? I thought you were town ! | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:06 GMT
#2029
[QUOTE]On June 01 2012 09:02 Mattchew wrote: [QUOTE]On June 01 2012 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Look at me? Lol you should be thanking me for trying to avert a mislynch. G32 should be #1 scum on everyone's list.[/QUOTE] Trying to avert a mislynch would have been you in the thread for hours before the lynch talking to people about not mislynching VE. Instead you just tried to last minute unvote[/QUOTEe I didnt know VE is town but when it was 100% clear g32 was scum i fwlt the nees to vote him.[/QUOTE] ok, I don't think your actions are directly scummy, but do you understand why it looks a little strange? 1. Votes VE, says that he thinks VE is scum 2. Leaves thread for a while 3. Switches vote to G32, threatening a no-lynch, despite not saying that you think VE is town. 4. Does not make sense, because if you still think VE is scum, then a no-lynch is worse than a VE lynch. There's a disconnect somewhere; your only reasoning is "you're sure g32 is scum"? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:08 GMT
#2031
On June 01 2012 09:04 Blazinghand wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2012 09:02 Mattchew wrote: On June 01 2012 08:58 Blazinghand wrote: Look at me? Lol you should be thanking me for trying to avert a mislynch. G32 should be #1 scum on everyone's list. Trying to avert a mislynch would have been you in the thread for hours before the lynch talking to people about not mislynching VE. Instead you just tried to last minute unvote I didnt know VE is town but when it was 100% clear g32 was scum i fwlt the nees to vote him. ok, I don't think your actions are directly scummy, but do you understand why it looks a little strange? 1. Votes VE, says that he thinks VE is scum 2. Leaves thread for a while 3. Switches vote to G32, threatening a no-lynch, despite not saying that you think VE is town. 4. Does not make sense, because if you still think VE is scum, then a no-lynch is worse than a VE lynch. There's a disconnect somewhere; your only reasoning is "you're sure g32 is scum"? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:09 GMT
#2032
papapanda is probably scum g32 is scum | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:14 GMT
#2037
On June 01 2012 09:09 Blazinghand wrote: Dude i didnt thinl VE was town stop putting words on my mouth. But G32 CLAIMED scum tp the tgread. I havent been posting much because im at work and doing thiw cia phone Ok, maybe its cuz ur on your phone, but I KNOW you didn't say you thought VE is town. That's the whole point of our little disagreement. It doesn't make any sense for you to unvote VE UNLESS you think is town. But w.e, it's nbd I suppose. If you were scum, you wouldn't randomly unvote VE; there's no point to. You'd want the vig dead. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:17 GMT
#2040
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:18 GMT
#2042
Now tell me what you think of Jaj22. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:27 GMT
#2047
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:31 GMT
#2049
On May 29 2012 02:56 jaj22 wrote: Thoughts on the night's cases: Sinensis: So he's sticking with a totally irrational and anti-town position and ignoring everything that's actually happening in the game? Because he wants to lose two games in a row? If he's scum he was daft not to change tactics once Grush started posting better (like BH did). If he's town, it's now insultingly bad play, which makes his complaint about Grush utterly hypocritical. Scum read, because the alternative is uglier. one of the early proponents of the mislynch; note how his reasoning is "Sinensis is playing bad", not "playing scum". Calling his play both daft as scum, and insultingly bad as town. Where is the scum? On May 29 2012 04:58 jaj22 wrote: ET: Zealos looks less scummy to me than usual. His scum play in MTG and that newbie game was screamingly obvious. He goes into the general category of players with a handful of uncontroversial posts. I'd be surprised if there weren't scum in there. Soft defend of Zealos, tries to misdirect. On May 29 2012 08:37 jaj22 wrote: Hmm. I thought Zealos's play was significantly different from his scum play, but his early MTG filter is quite similar. He even does that little coaching thing where he tells the guy to post more. Might not be a bad lynch. When sentiment turns, he turns too. On May 30 2012 10:07 jaj22 wrote: I called out GambitX32 for only having one post during day 1. He proceeded to produce... one more post. ##vote GambitX32 Either that or Zealos, but he's got some activity excuse until the second half of day 2 so there's not much point in prodding him. I'd love to find active scum but I'm not even convinced that there are any. Still soft defending Zealos. He switches to him later, but remember there is already massive consensus that he is scum. On June 01 2012 06:39 jaj22 wrote: Tactically speaking, people who don't want to lynch VE should be putting their votes on Zealos unless they'd rather have a no-lynch. The case against Kitaman is weak and he's another veteran-lynch: People are likely to think in terms of the best veteran-lynch vs the best lurker-lynch. And yeah, I'm having doubts myself about VE. A lot of his filter looks quite town, even if it's spammy unfocused town. And we'll have to start killing lurkers sometime. If we can't confirm VE one way or another on day 3 it's going to be horrible though. Posturing for the VE flip. Note that his vote is still on VE despite starting to think he is town. And he has the nerve to say Mattchew is looking bad for not putting his vote on someone he thinks is town? Essentially we should be focusing on people who 1. Were down with Sinensis lynch with poor reasoning 2. Were down with VE lynch with poor reasoning 3. Had a disconnect with VE (I think he's town but... let's kill him!) | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:38 GMT
#2050
On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote: SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach I think Ange and hyaach are fine. I'm looking at: Kill: G32 - ninja vote, derp posting papa - that weird vote on VE kita - dgafs about game, lol's at VE dying??? Maju - wishy washy posts, bashes Sinensis at one point, extremely low content to post ratio FoS: jaj22, Wiggles, Manason, Kenpachi There are some outliers but those are my focus atm. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 00:58 GMT
#2055
I think you guys are 2 townies mudflinging, tbh. Supersoft maybe, unsure atm. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 03:33 GMT
#2085
On June 01 2012 10:28 Probulous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 01 2012 09:38 EchelonTee wrote: On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote: SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach I think Ange and hyaach are fine. I'm looking at: Kill: G32 - ninja vote, derp posting papa - that weird vote on VE kita - dgafs about game, lol's at VE dying??? Maju - wishy washy posts, bashes Sinensis at one point, extremely low content to post ratio FoS: jaj22, Wiggles, Manason, Kenpachi There are some outliers but those are my focus atm. ET, you can do better. What is your opinion of Kita and on supersoft, Meapak as well. Be clear and thorough. "Lol's at VE dying" is not enough. Middle of the night broseph. While I love the way you're taking control of thread, subtlety is still important, and I've already done too much with my noobie list posting. mz is town unless him and toad did some intense as fck wifom. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 03:38 GMT
#2086
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 07:36 GMT
#2098
Yeah manason looks bad. I agree lol. I'm out atm. Let's not get complacent tho... Too often there ends up being a consensus lynch list, then when it turns out a few scum have been pulling the strings, all hell breaks loose. It's how I win all my scum games lol.... Get the town to post a bunch of lists that might include my mates, but allows town to stagnate for.4 days or so. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 07:40 GMT
#2099
When town can collaborate like this, as in we recognize each other as townie, we need to have some give and take. Like with my jaj read; I'll listen to marv; I'm at this.point thinking there's no case on ange like, at all, so.I hope we can come to a consensus, or you change mind or w.e. A little out it.just saying. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 23:00 GMT
#2156
Kita: On June 01 2012 08:07 kitaman27 wrote: Dang it VE, you distracted me from pushing my true target, Zealos! On June 02 2012 02:17 kitaman27 wrote: Is this the first game of mafia you've ever played Manason? If so, how did you find out about this game? These posts since the Night post are so weirdly apathetic that it cant escape notice. Does kita not give a fck that VE flipped vig? It doesn't even sound like he's interested in finding out if Manason is scum. The tone reeks of apathy. His first and only major push was on VE. Blah blah yeah other people also pushed VE, but I think Kita is a good enough town player that I can use the rule of Palmar; if the first and only major case pushed is a massively wrong mislynch, then something is up. Kita hasn't really pushed anyone else, and especially has hardly pushed anyone since his flip. Where's his direction now? On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote: Not much substance to this post, but here are my thoughts for alternative candidates. Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking. GambitX32's two posts look as if he knew he would be expected to share his opinion, but had nothing to say, so he just made a few generic statements about a bunch of players. I don't see anything of value that his post adds to the thread. I'm unwilling to trust Wiggles, but I'm unable to put together anything close to a valid case against him. With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader. S&B and Manason are still sketchy. I want a more developed case from each of them that adds something to the thread. If we consider that Wiggles could be scum, in this post (one of the few constructive ones he has), notice how he gives more deference to Wiggles than the other players. He says the other guys are suspicious, sketch, w.e, but with Wiggles he is unwilling to put together a case. On June 01 2012 01:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Hey, I'm going to be out of town today, so I'm giving a heads up that I might not be back before the lynch. I'm going to be switching my vote to VE. I thought he was town after his day 1 play, but the constant flip-flopping to try to look good and the nonsensical role-claim and breadcrumb have changed my mind. Basically, it looked like he kept changing his read due to pressure in the thread, and it ended up with him contradicting himself multiple times as he tried to wiggle out of the pressure. Then add on the claim that's very convenient and easy to fake as scum (along with a "breadcrumb" that shows nothing), and you have the reasons for my switch of opinion. I guess I was wrong about VE being town, as his play today has shown. =/ ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: VisceraEyes A decent reason to switch, but since he had a town town read on VE, it's a bit strange that he switched. has been lurking not scumhunting as much as he should as mayor blah blah blah papa still scum for weird ass explanations maju likely scum for doing absoltutely nothing and not sounding like hes interested in doing anything deadline | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 23:02 GMT
#2157
wbg/mz/toad/BH is fine. there might be sneaky scum elswhere.. .don't get complacent guys >< | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 23:17 GMT
#2163
I'm guessing BH bombed grush and supersoft or something like that. He was probably RB'd so he couldn't swap the bomb, or else obviously he wouldve bombed gambit... at least I was right about the townie vs townie battle mattchew+SnB. I guess this means my reads are stupid as shit, as usual SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 23:17 GMT
#2164
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 01 2012 23:18 GMT
#2165
##Vote: kitaman27 | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 02 2012 02:42 GMT
#2176
thoughts ??????? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 02 2012 03:09 GMT
#2179
Bus? Maybe... Kita what you think of a g32 lynch? It seems like you're implying that wiggles case on him was bad | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 02 2012 10:48 GMT
#2190
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 02 2012 16:14 GMT
#2203
On June 02 2012 21:00 marvellosity wrote: Yus, and it went from you being a bit suspicious of kita to DIE DIE DIE with no explanation in between. Don't patronise me. It's hard not to patronize when I put him on a KILL list last night, like twice. And I explained it. You didn't read closely enough. You implied that I made some huge shift, which is hilarious. killing g32 would probably be sounder, to reduce kp. he doesn't have an ounce of being indignant or upset that he is being pressured (common town noob tells, think Sputnik.theory),.it's highly likely he's scum. Ill switch my vote to him when I'm on a cpu | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 07:28 GMT
#2244
On June 03 2012 10:20 Probulous wrote: @ET RE: MZ and Toad Can you explain what you meant here? (klicky) Show nested quote + I have MZ as town as well but not because of Toad. On June 01 2012 12:33 EchelonTee wrote: On June 01 2012 10:28 Probulous wrote: On June 01 2012 09:38 EchelonTee wrote: On June 01 2012 09:24 Mattchew wrote: SnB, Gambit, kita, papa should all be killed immediately I'd FOS wiggles, manason, ange hyaach I think Ange and hyaach are fine. I'm looking at: Kill: G32 - ninja vote, derp posting papa - that weird vote on VE kita - dgafs about game, lol's at VE dying??? Maju - wishy washy posts, bashes Sinensis at one point, extremely low content to post ratio FoS: jaj22, Wiggles, Manason, Kenpachi There are some outliers but those are my focus atm. ET, you can do better. What is your opinion of Kita and on supersoft, Meapak as well. Be clear and thorough. "Lol's at VE dying" is not enough. mz is town unless him and toad did some intense as fck wifom. Toad could easily have masoned a scum. If MZ was scum he would have direct access to Toad in private which is probably worth keeping. I mean if he claimed to have not received the PM, Toad would have been "lying" and then would have been lynched. After the flip MZ would have been shown to be lying so I don't see why scum would do it? Why would Toad masoning MZ make MZ town? MZ = town because of claimed shot, not the masoning Toad = town because of mason claim However if both are scum, then MZ could've fake claimed the shot (double stack on forumite explains missing KP), and toad fake claims Mason connection to MZ. Both look very townie from it. I apologize if I have been unclear in the past 72 hours or so; I was traveling with my brother. It should be obvious that my posting was not as thorough or well formatted as it usually is. We absolutely should lynch the scum in front of us; if anyone thinks Gambit is town, then please come forward and we can consider other lynches against his, but if we all think Gambit is scum (including his teammates bussing him), then we should lynch him and reduce KP. That doesn't mean we should cease discussion on other candidates, but it is essential to reduce KP NOW. I have had the mistake of not lynching obvious scum before, even in this very game, so I'm not keen on making such a mistake become a habit. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 07:31 GMT
#2245
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 22:57 GMT
#2276
On June 04 2012 02:50 Hassybaby wrote: That goes out to everyone. There's no point in wasting the rest of the day with "well we got the confirmed scum!" Lets have a look at targets for the next day. For example, I agree with marv about Manason, and added a point of my on. Thoughts? kita. Then I'm leaning Maju. Further from that, I'll want some flips to give me more information. I need to look over Manason again; from perfunctory glances I thought he was scummy, but Mattchew argued that he seems to believe in his faulty logic. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 23:00 GMT
#2278
On June 04 2012 01:55 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2012 01:45 Hassybaby wrote: I have a question kita. With the way the game's going, and the fact that in the eyes of the entire town, there's confirmed scum to be voted for, were you expecting anything different? Considering how early it is in the game and how town is currently behind, yes I was expecting more activity. Town is in an average position TBH. We lost no body N1, so losing 5 last night just means things are even. Only bad points are losing our hatter/jailer, but I'm not panicking just yet. I'm not sure why you're fixated on Hassy/Kenpachi. They are acting about par to the course. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 23:11 GMT
#2284
TOLD YOU ANGE WAS TOWN lolol On June 02 2012 12:15 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 02 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: Kita what you think of a g32 lynch? It seems like you're implying that wiggles case on him was bad Gambit isn't playing this game. At this point, I'd like him to do a "share my opinion on every player in the game" type post or something, so at least we have something to go by. I couldn't say he was scum or town with any confidence right now. trololol | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 23:15 GMT
#2287
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 23:20 GMT
#2292
Hmm... would we really have 1 vig, 1 Hatter, 1 jailer, and 1 doctor (2 claimed saves N1), vs. potentially only 1RBer? That's also assuming we have no DT. Depending on future flips, aka if there are almost no more scum PRs, I would not give MZ a free pass, unless a doctor claims in the endgame. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 03 2012 23:24 GMT
#2294
On June 04 2012 08:18 kitaman27 wrote: So keen to keep him alive? Since when? The guy had two posts and I said that I had no idea what his alignment was. If he was my scumbuddy and refused to play, I'd bus him in a heartbeat. In fact, anyone who was so confident about the "gambit case" early on in day two before he dodged the lynch on day two should probably be looked at. Its myself vs the scum roleblocker for todays lynch and your conclusion is that it makes me look worse? ? First you say that G32 didn't make sense at all because he had only 2 posts. However there were a number of points against him 1. two posts plenty to show his scumminess. Think Macpo getting caught first post by Protact; it happens. 2. tried to shoot WBG, who was angling at him. BH was also shot. 3. ninja vote, general apathy Strong case against him, tbh, but you want to accuse people who wanted to go after him? o.O Also, I don't quite get your second question. What are you saying exactly? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 01:34 GMT
#2298
On June 04 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote: ET you picture was....actually quite accurate. I feel that kita has made some town posts: What picture? On June 04 2012 09:22 sToFu wrote: Goddamn. Went to a math competition in Vegas, got screwed over by hotel internet. Not back in time. Sorry everyone. :< No big deal. Play again sometime ^^ | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 04:49 GMT
#2306
On June 04 2012 10:53 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2012 08:15 EchelonTee wrote: wbg/toad/MZ, pick up yo activity bros. We already lost a bunch of our buddies; they're going to be firing into us littler men soon, so you better continue to show your townieness. don't tell me what to do ok | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 04:50 GMT
#2307
Could that be all 4? I'm going to dig into them right now... | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 05:02 GMT
#2309
Gotta get those M's in place. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 12:39 GMT
#2331
Toad, why are you implying that marv knows too much? It appears that Hyaach is the one who knows too much, somehow. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 23:00 GMT
#2359
On June 04 2012 15:51 Probulous wrote: Well MY answer would be that he has been right when he didn't have to be. He was right about Zealos He was right about supersoft He was right about SnB He was right about VE But I guess that is more than one thing. Oh and he proposed to me. I'm a sucker for a girl on her knees. well my goal was to make it seem like I didn't like marv so he would have slightly less chance at being shot, but you know, whateverrrrrrr On June 05 2012 06:14 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2012 06:04 Manason wrote: On June 05 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote: On June 05 2012 05:56 Manason wrote: I am confused, can someone please tell me what's going on with Toad and his circle? I am confused, I'm sure you said you were going to make a case on kita but I can't for the life of me find it I started to make a case, but it took to long and I decided to go play Skyrim. 3/3 for people who give up mid-way because there was no case to make. I'm starting to see a trend! The case was already made on you lol. I think thissummed up things pretty well, and I didn't find your explanation valid. Add the gambit flip and how you didn't even seem concerned with him, I want you to swing. Look at Maju's posts: who has he called out as suspicious? sTofu, and "zealos over gambit", which doesn't mean much these days as both are scum, and gambit was RBer. Who does he make a case on? ....No one. How many posts does he have? A decent amount. That's what I mean by "extremely low content to post ratio". He has almost no interest in scumhunting based on the amount of posts he has that aren't scumhunting. Papapanda... I'm not sure. I feel like he has been decently trying at times. He hasn't done much lately though, and he hasn't taken that many hardline stances at all. Posting matches one that could be scum, but it's not the most conclusive. The only one is he agreed with a gambit lynch, but it was semi late that he did so. Manason too, I'm not completely sure. He postured against Zealos and Kita early. If kita also flips scum, then it's strange for him to bus two teammates early. He also was fairly opinionated early in the game. He's had a number of wishy washy ish wifom-y posts, but hrmm. I would say lynch preference is Kita > Maju > Papa > Panda Among those 4. random other suspicious that are still alive Wiggles, jaj deadline | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 23:06 GMT
#2368
I derped on jaj22. I'm guessing that was a blue snipe. ##Vote: Kita | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 23:07 GMT
#2370
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 23:09 GMT
#2375
Kita > Maju > Papa > Panda Messed up this part of my deadline post, should have Manason at the end. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 23:12 GMT
#2377
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 04 2012 23:19 GMT
#2379
I know I keep on repeating that, but just saying; the intent of scum is to escape notice, so it's possible that one of our entrenched "townies" could just be an especially good scum player. AKA, don't ignore me+others just because it seems like we're town or whatever. Wiggles, opinion on today's lynch? Kita, On June 05 2012 06:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Kita do you honestly think kenpachi is scum? Are you going to continue to push for wiggles tomorrow? What is your opinion of ET? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 06:00 GMT
#2424
This reminds me of MrZentor's doctor claim in SoaF. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 06:03 GMT
#2426
The difference here is that we do have a claimed save, and kita is not a weak player. His wishywashy ness could be explained through general blue behavior. It is complicating because this is the best fake claim that a scum kita could do, yet TL seems very prone to lynching claimed blues. Like if a blue claims, they are almost always dead lol. I'll think about this more when I get home tonight. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 06:03 GMT
#2427
On June 05 2012 15:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2012 14:52 Probulous wrote: To our real medic DON'T CLAIM! We will convince the doubters, somehow. Kita is red and he is wriggling out of this lynch like I thought he would try to do. He had no other option and so chose the best possible claim he could. His breadcrumb makes 0 sense. MZ, I take it you think my cases against him are shit then? Probulous how much have you played here? I'm not trying to be patronizing, I'm just trying to work some stuff out and it would help to know approximately how long you've been playing. He has the same experience level as I do. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 07:00 GMT
#2436
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 07:14 GMT
#2440
N2 framer is possible, but less likely than N3 frame.I believe probes claim, and.it's quite likely kita is fake claiming, but there is the small possibility that we are about to be totally fucked. however, likelihood is that we've got something good. We lynch kita. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 07:15 GMT
#2441
On June 05 2012 16:07 Hyaach wrote: ah fk. i just digged myself into a hole. lmao. start using excel to play hyaach.... What? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 07:59 GMT
#2447
Be home in a bit. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 17:58 GMT
#2461
Any objections? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 18:41 GMT
#2466
I like maju more merely because I'm most sure of him being scum. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 18:41 GMT
#2467
On June 06 2012 03:01 Manason wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2012 02:58 EchelonTee wrote: If no counter claim, mass switch to maju. Any objections? I am very convinced that Kita is mafia and I'd rather not oust the medic. So I do object. Opinion on maju? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 18:46 GMT
#2470
On June 05 2012 16:15 EchelonTee wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2012 16:07 Hyaach wrote: ah fk. i just digged myself into a hole. lmao. start using excel to play hyaach.... What? ...what? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 05 2012 23:39 GMT
#2495
let's get this show in the road | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 06 2012 05:58 GMT
#2522
On June 06 2012 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: My dear fellows, where on earth is our fair mayor? off in scum town? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 06 2012 08:17 GMT
#2525
I spam that because it's important to be aware of the possibilty, and not to be complacent, but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. In MTG mafia recently, it was Navilus, Katina, HiroPro, and Zealos. They are competent players sure, but WBG and VE were both town, yet fought at lot under a pretense that balance dictated their opposal. Another example is SoaF, where scum team was myself, gonzaw, Bluelightz, and cccalf, vs. VE and BH. You don't NEED a scum vet; it's just a possibility. Anyways, if we're talking scum vets, I'm leaning Wiggles at this point. Why is he so hilariously AWOL? Are you busy or something? It's appearing that the greatest consensus is towards killing Manason. There is no medic counter claim, so I do not want to lynch kita right now. Like someone mentioned, if probe+another dies, then we lynch Kita. If probe doesn't die (or kita dies) then his claim is truer. If Probe dies alone, then it's null. Either way, the path of least risk is to not lynch kita, and his actions are decently explainable at times. He's mostly been wishy washy/not scumhunting that hard, but then again we were all wrong about VE, weren't we? I want another mason in the circle to claim by tomorrow day, at the latest. I have a sneaking fear that MZ is doing a crazy ass mafia plan with toad. If another mason claims to be part of the circle, then I will no longer have to consider that fear as deeply. There a million possibilities or WIFOM, blue fake claims, etc etc, but the least risky proposition right now is to leave kita, and lynch elsewhere. Since Manason has claimed scum a few times, let's continue lynching down the line. ##Unvote ##Vote: Manason | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 06 2012 08:20 GMT
#2526
On June 06 2012 07:14 kitaman27 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Eliminating myself, Toad, and Meapak we have a pool of 11 players where the remaining four scum players reside. I have also removed Prob and Hassy. While he has not been confirmed 100% as a detective and the alignment check on hassybaby may be masked by a godfather cover, I do not believe they should be considered for lynch today. Additionally, as an anti-scum lyncher has already flipped, I think it is extremely likely that an anti-town lyncher is still in play. That leaves 5 out of 9 anti-town players in the following pool: 6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I have read throug each player's filter and removed the players I have some degree of town read on. austinmcc has shown signs that he cares about town and has shown motivation to scum hunt, he has defended zealos in order to push a gambit lynch. It seems unlikely that a mafia player will defend a scumbuddy, while pushing another scumbuddy. Finally, his silly conspiracy theory about a toad, meapak, kita scum group seems town to me. marvellosity shows signs of frustration with inactivity and looks good after pushing the zealos lynch. In addition, he is the only player to have a back and forth conversation with zealos. His recent play has been less convincing, but I'm willing to put him off for later. 6. Hyaach 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I'm strongly considering pusing Kenpachi for the following post: On May 30 2012 11:03 Kenpachi wrote: shall we roll the metagame die? I firmly believe 2-3 of the mafia team is made of Mafia veterans namely Wiggles Kitaman and even myself. I personally believe Wiggles is mafia cause he should have known better than to lynch Sinensis for day 1. poor as hell of a choice honestly. So you might be asking why am i doing this? simple: im fucking good at doing this. after i pulled this shit off months ago, i noticed a trend in a lack of balanced mafia teams but i was able to point out players such as BloodyC0bbler with this method. but i figure, why the hell not try this again since im pretty sure hosts started going back to their balancing ways. Look at this list carefully. They can all be potent mafia or town players. likely 2 or 3 are mafia. Why? If i was a host, id sure be unhappy if my entire team was 6 grushes. 2. Blazinghand 7. marvellosity 14. Toadesstern 15. Supersoft 21. Wherebugsgo 22. Mr. Wiggles 26. EchelonTee 27. kitaman27 28. VisceraEyes 29. Meapak_Ziphh 30. Kenpachi well thats it. i havent actually read anyone's post on this list lawl It seems pretty clear that the mafia team has a limited number of players with 20+ games experience based on the flips and identities of confirmed power roles. Pushing this sort of policy as a member of a mafia team of players such as gambit and zealos allow the vets to be at each others throats, while the quieter players sneak by. On May 30 2012 10:30 Kenpachi wrote: did i start the Zealos wagon? im gonna read his filter and give my thoughts. On May 30 2012 10:34 Kenpachi wrote: wait who added onto my Zealos analysis? Furthermore, Kenpachi wants to remind us that he found zealous scummy, without actually pushing a zealos lynch. The last two cycles he has done nothing but taunt me about my lynch, with no consideration that I could be town. He is always a tough read, but he is not a player I want around for endgame. Wiggles I still feel is a good lynch. As I look through his posts, I really strugle to find town tells that show that he has the towns best interest in mind. Every single cycle he has taken a backseat role, only taken the time to comment about irrelevant information, lacking in true contribution. I would like to do a follow-up post to my previous analysis of wiggles, but this took too much time. Please everyone respond to this post. The day is nearly half way over and we have gone absolutely nowhere. Does nobody care about this game? I actually agree with a lot of this post, and Kita has finally articulated a decent point on why he considers Kenpachi scummy. The only caveat with Wiggles is that he lately has had a playstyle very similar to this as town; usually it was due to a complacency in the town atmosphere, but I feel like that is not a very suitable excuse this time. Kita should not be todays lynch. Move your votes, people. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 06 2012 17:36 GMT
#2580
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 07 2012 00:33 GMT
#2662
On June 07 2012 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Tomorrow we should kill either ET or Wiggles. Barring probulous nailing a scum I will be working tirelessly towards this goal. What the balls. Don't kill me >.> I'm mfcking townie Wiggles could die. I'm quite curious about night flips first. Guess we shoulda gone with maju instead. Was my better hunch. Toad mason whoever the fck you want. You got the judgment. God speed probe. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 07 2012 04:43 GMT
#2669
On June 07 2012 13:01 kitaman27 wrote: In fact, I've seen this before :p Show nested quote + On December 01 2011 13:47 Kenpachi wrote: w/e you guys are all bad. i refuse to help such a hopeless town Which game? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 07 2012 10:43 GMT
#2673
So, no useful night discussion this time around? Some comments before I finally crash: We will have to deal with this blue mess tomorrow. Probulous summed it up the possibilities well. Depending on how things go, we could be in a great position, or a mediocre one. Maju needs to die; the WIFOM with kita will have to be dealt with first, but I still feel strong about my Maju read. Despite the failure of the Manason flip, I don't feel completely averse to a Papanda lynch; I earlier ranked him as more scummy than Manason. @Papapanda, ignoring the kita situation, who do you most want to be lynched? Why? Wiggles is an enigma, and if he is town I wish he would just fracken show it more. He still looks like the most scummy vet. Look at Hyaach. I have not liked his posts lately one bit. I really should not get into a shtshow with MZ, but I keep on having this nagging feeling about him. Call it gut feeling? :p Hopefully blue actions can clear that up. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 07 2012 10:44 GMT
#2674
On June 07 2012 09:19 Probulous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2012 09:15 Hyaach wrote: A free lynch is only good if you get scum. It could be 12 or 11 players tomorrow assuming there's only 2 KP from mafias left. 6-7 to lynch. You just need to convince 3 townies. And if i may add, apart from Maju, Me, Hassy, Austin, Kenpenchi and [big]Papapanda(i've never look through his filter)[/bog]. The rest have the ability to post a good case. picture speaks a thousand words | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 07 2012 10:48 GMT
#2675
Look at Maju's posts: who has he called out as suspicious? sTofu, and "zealos over gambit", which doesn't mean much these days as both are scum, and gambit was RBer. Who does he make a case on? ....No one. How many posts does he have? A decent amount. That's what I mean by "extremely low content to post ratio". He has almost no interest in scumhunting based on the amount of posts he has that aren't scumhunting. Is still mostly true; all that has changed is a weak case on Hassybaby (green checked) and papapanda (one of the other massively suspected people). | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 07 2012 21:31 GMT
#2687
Austin likely town Toad mz kita I leaning town on all honestly. Fck WIFOM I would focus efforts among wiggles kenpachi maju hyaach maybe papa. Marv probe probably town. Could be other scum, but this is how I feel. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 07 2012 21:32 GMT
#2688
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 08 2012 01:45 GMT
#2738
On June 08 2012 08:56 Toadesstern wrote: Is ET dead? I have him dead in my sheet but don't remember him being dead oO LMAO well, I guess we dodged a bullet not lynching kita there. Lost our medic, but shits giggles I suppose. I sort of wished you checked someone who 1. low chance of frame and 2. low chance of GF. An example would be papapanda, or Hyaach. If wiggles is scum, I can almost guarantee he is GF since he planned on running for mayor. Maju to die! ##Vote: Majujujuju | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 08 2012 02:04 GMT
#2749
...he's mason if maju flips traitor I will be so sad and sad | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 08 2012 10:15 GMT
#2760
On June 08 2012 19:10 Hyaach wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2012 13:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Not to sound like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat as well but I actually like the "wiggles is gf" theory. Guess my alien conspiracy theory was wrong. But I don't see Wiggles as gf right now but Maju's flip will tell us. He pushed Maju before Manason and now is pushing Maju again. what mindset is this? "Maju's flip will tell us"? If maju flips town, we lost. Which would be true if you were pro-town. Are u implying "maju flips scum, so Wiggles = town?" -.- | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 08 2012 21:38 GMT
#2793
Toad MZ 99% town ET - I'm town. no really, I'm town, stfu. Marv - has supported pro-town lynches like every time. could only be scum if he lives in bus city. always talking to townies. 90% town Probe - claimed DT; likelihood of a fakeclaim is very low, has been incredible productive, trying to maintain town atmosphere. he is crafty though, so I don't want to call him CONFIRMED, but I'm only re-reading him at something like a 3man LYLO. well if he's DT alive at 3man LYLO than he's scum lol. austin - his early/mid game was full of opinions, big posts, high activity. his behavior towards toad/mz was a bit strange, but measured paranoia is fine Luckily, that only leaves 5 players to really content with 99% mafia hyaach - leaned manason over maju. tried to make toad look bad. wants kita dead after medic claim was almost assured. derp posting yo Maju - i'm only scared he might be traitor (that means we lose I think) 70% mafia Wiggles - ughh Kenpachi - ughhhh papa - ughhhhhh I'll think more about the 70% list later | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 01:14 GMT
#2808
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 03:57 GMT
#2811
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 09:02 GMT
#2816
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 11:27 GMT
#2818
kind of weird how we jstu have to wait for this game to play out... | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 11:27 GMT
#2819
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 21:47 GMT
#2825
On June 10 2012 06:32 Kenpachi wrote: you idiot. cmon man | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 21:48 GMT
#2826
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 09 2012 23:45 GMT
#2839
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 02:35 GMT
#2843
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 02:38 GMT
#2844
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 03:29 GMT
#2848
On June 10 2012 11:58 Hyaach wrote: why? because you know if prob doesnt die tonight and he checks me i'll turn out town. there's goes your mislynch. Lol | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 07:06 GMT
#2852
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 17:32 GMT
#2861
On June 11 2012 00:40 papapanda wrote: The scums(zealos, gambit, maju) have all been players who were not veterans of tlmafia. Instead of hyaach, I think lynching kenpachi or wiggle is the better option: I consider wiggle to be suspicious mainly because of his change in play style from day1 to the rest of the game. In the election phase, he wanted to run specifically for vp. This change in behavior seem to be to avoid attention. Prob checked him, but if he is mafia, it is likely that he is framed by maju there for appearing town to the check. Kenpachi is an option because he is not playing this game for town. so u want us to kill wiggles seems legit | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 17:32 GMT
#2862
On June 11 2012 01:24 Kenpachi wrote: PLEASE EXPLAIN YOUR BULLSHIT MR PANDA mad at teammates i spose | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 21:04 GMT
#2876
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 21:22 GMT
#2878
I need to reread last few days, but I thought ken was scum for how he was.trying to lynch wiggles over maju. If wiggles is scum though, didn't mean much | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 21:23 GMT
#2879
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 21:24 GMT
#2880
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 10 2012 23:12 GMT
#2882
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 11 2012 05:50 GMT
#2907
Honestly I feel worst with a papa lynch. I feel best with a hyaach lynch. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 11 2012 05:53 GMT
#2908
wiggles papa hyaach how infuriating is it that the 3 scum are almost certainly in these last 4, but one misstep and it's game over hrmph. I don't know but this feels a lot like jubjub mafia, except this time I'm town. Marv, do you have any scum games I could read? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 11 2012 19:21 GMT
#2925
Marv can you link me games you've played as scum? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 11 2012 19:26 GMT
#2926
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 11 2012 20:02 GMT
#2929
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 07:38 GMT
#2941
On June 12 2012 13:53 gonzaw wrote: Fuck sorry wrong thread >_> scum I'm bored. Finger's crossed guys~ | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 21:32 GMT
#2948
So... what can we talk about now. A bunch of you are going to die tonight so I don't want to miss out on the lovely conversation we could be having. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 21:33 GMT
#2949
On June 12 2012 23:56 GreYMisT wrote: you ask permission to me first before editing. wait, who edited? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 22:55 GMT
#2953
Wait, is deadline right now or in 24? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 23:00 GMT
#2956
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 23:01 GMT
#2957
I love being moderately wrong | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 23:09 GMT
#2960
In my defense, I just didn't want you to lynch me and I was worried you'd go "balls to the wall" :p after tonight it will be 2v5. Hrmm.... I really am unsure about things. I think a re-read into Hyaach would be fruitful. I honestly am not sure which of Wiggles/Kenpachi is scum. Is it really impossible that both are scum? | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#2961
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#2964
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 23:14 GMT
#2965
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 12 2012 23:18 GMT
#2969
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 13 2012 02:04 GMT
#2977
I'm going to re-read somethings before the night... I'd like some focus on Hyaach. The only thing that gives me pause is papapanda's early pressure onto Hyaach, and papa doesn't seem like the bussing type to me. Who knows, though. I think I'm convinced that Wiggles is Mafia. I just feel so queasy though because I've mislynched Wiggles (as scum) in two of my previous games; Wiggles is often a lategame mislynch -.- | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 13 2012 22:41 GMT
#2987
austin - his early/mid game was full of opinions, big posts, high activity. his behavior towards toad/mz was a bit strange, but measured paranoia is fine Those were my general opinion on him. I dunno, he just seems prty townie to me. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 14 2012 00:26 GMT
#2996
##Vote: Mr. Wiggles | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 14 2012 04:13 GMT
#2998
On June 14 2012 10:59 Hyaach wrote: Show nested quote + On June 14 2012 09:20 austinmcc wrote: Right now I'd prefer a Wiggles lynch to Hyaach, because I'm finding Wiggles scummier and I'd also prefer to get rid of the scummy player with 2 votes over the scummy player with 1 vote. Can get on board with either order, but would prefer Wiggles --> Hyaach. What I've been saying. If we are both scum as you labelled, lynch the 2 votes first. We're still lynching you after. That doesn't concern you? Even if you lynch you first, we wouldn't lose. It would be 3v1, 3 votes to 2 votes. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 14 2012 04:59 GMT
#3000
if we lynch you second and you're town, we lost. i can't tell if your bad logic is derp or scum | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 14 2012 07:23 GMT
#3002
mafia hard | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 14 2012 07:24 GMT
#3003
Maybe we should kill hyaach first? I dunno | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 15 2012 02:08 GMT
#3017
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 15 2012 02:14 GMT
#3018
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 15 2012 06:28 GMT
#3021
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 17 2012 02:06 GMT
#3061
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 17 2012 02:08 GMT
#3063
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 17 2012 12:37 GMT
#3079
My play was mediocre. I think running for election was good, but I didn't re-read into VE enough. Feel pretty bad about that. I also didn't do enough re-reading in the end of the game, as I felt like the game was pretty much down to a luck game. If I had re-read I might've seen Hyaach as town, but then I probably would've advocated a Kenpachi lynch. Stellar play from marv, my god. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 17 2012 13:02 GMT
#3083
On June 17 2012 21:46 marvellosity wrote: ET: your play wasn't mediocre. You very successfully removed yourself from the pool of scum candidates by appearing blatantly town to everyone (along with me...). As you just posted in your newbie game write up, looking and being townie is one of townie's most important jobs. Yeah I suppose, I've just kind of hit a roadblock in my town play where I'm not getting mislynched any time soon, but my reads need to be better. In fact, I think in every town game I've played, my initial read was always wrong, this game being SnB -.- Yeah toad you're right. I think the impetus was on the townies to work harder at looking more townie, so we would have a chance at smoking out marv. Having to pick between between several scummy lurkers was pain staking, which is why I was continually suspicious of the vets. I kept on thinking "there is no way this giant pack of scummy lurkers are all scum, there must be manipulation somewhere". First I thought VE, then MZ, but it ended up being marv :o | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 19 2012 01:12 GMT
#3132
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EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 19 2012 01:31 GMT
#3136
You have the flavor of posters who have really bad ideas. These are the ones who come up with weird plans, really bad claims, or outlandish cases. Here is a good example of this type: + Show Spoiler + Hi everybody! Im the friendly neighbourhood gum on your shoe! Today I come to you with a plan that'll hopefully shed some light on the certainly vile nature of the scum infesting our sacred house...OF GAMBLING! The plan is a simple anonymous poll asking wether your a townie or a scumie. Now in the case of the townie there is no risk whatsoever in voting townie, on acounta a) you are a townie and b) no one can say otherwise cause your voting anonymously. In fact I very much so ask that you don't say which one your voting for or wether or not your even voting at all. All I ask is that if you're a townie vote townie, or don't vote, please don't troll and say your mafia I REPEAT NO TOWNIES VOTE MAFIA, IT SHALL BE THE END OF US ALL!!!!!! This only works if all the townies voting vote townie so please do so if your a townie. If your mafia feel free to vote as well, in fact the whole purpose of this exercise is to see if you as a group abstain from voting, vote as you please, or all vote townie. This is an experiment to study the mafia and I promise to only do this once, so whata ya say newcomers! Watcha gonna be? I'd just likely to repeat one last time there is ABSOLUTELY no way I or anyone else can ascertain your alignment through this vote, so please give it a shot, it might very well teach us something useful. These are the easiest to spot IMO. They will often be called scum by other players with arguments like "that plan is anti-town, so he's scum", or "that player's plans are so bad, they can't be town". This is easily refuted with the logic that a scum noob wouldn't be brash enough to come up with a plan and present it to thread like that. Most newbie scum are more timid and scared; by putting themselves out there like that even with a lolsy plan, it's obvious they are noob town. Then you have the flavor of posters who are very stubborn and unyielding. These are the ones who will remain deadset in a certain mindset, even when confronted with conflicting logic and stuff. Here's an example: ##Vote: prplhz BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. The last flavor is the trickiest; the newbie townies that are timid and unsure of themselves. They often post big lists of random ass reads, sometimes lurk a lot, and in general seem wishy washy. I can't find a good example of one of these atm, but you should know what I'm talking about. They often get accused because they display general scum traits like "doesn't make a lot of cases", "lurks", etc. The best way to figure these ones out, unfortunately, is probably associative tells. If this player type was scum, they would be very unlikely to bus. I also look and see if their lynch is going way too easily, or if people are making really ill-conceived cases to lynch the person. Things like that smell of an easy mislynch. Also, you just have to try and read their tone and see if their noobiness is genuine. Overall, regular scumhunting techniques still apply to newbie players. The biggest thing you have to ask yourself when reading their filter is "Is this person actually interested in scumhunting?". Even if they are really wrong with their logic, bad =/=scum. With the first player type, it's pretty obvious that they are, even if their method is wrong. With the second type, it is also pretty obvious. For the last, you just have to try and read if their newbiness is genuine, or if they are scared. It also helps to have experience with that particular newbie. | ||
EchelonTee
United States5180 Posts
June 19 2012 01:35 GMT
#3138
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