TL Mafia LV - Page 15

On June 01 2012 05:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

It just keeps pilling on...

On June 01 2012 05:26 grush57 wrote:

But yeah Idk why we're lynching VE over Kita or Zealos.

On June 01 2012 05:44 Toadesstern wrote:
I am totally comfortable with it

On June 01 2012 05:58 Toadesstern wrote:

Your lynch is the most reasonable thing we can do right now. If you are town you're a VT now because as already mentioned you're going to be roleblocked into oblivion. There won't be a way to figure you out until we see you flip, unless of course we listen to reason instead of the claim and reason tells me you're mafia or 3rd party.
The claim is the only thing that scares people and you know yourself that people believe every ridiculous claim these days just for the sake of the blue color and the fear of lynching into a blue. Everyone who's a lynchtarget turns into a blue eventuellay these days.
Just look at BM when he fakeclaimed Mad Hatter telling town he had bombs on the 2 most likely townies in the game. Didn't do him any good but he survived one day longer.

We're going to be in the very same situation tomorrow without you being flipped. Some people will scream for your head, some will keep on saying 'don't lynch the blue just because he got rb'ed'. Might as well get over with it and play with open hands d3.

On June 01 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote:
I fucking detest this 'let's get it over with' sentiment that both wbg and Toad have expressed on this page. It makes my blood curdle.

I'm merrily sitting on the fence whether VE is town or scum. In the past I've voted to lynch him twice, and he was town, and in LI I didn't vote to lynch him, and he was scum. There's things I don't like about VE - the Zealos issue, and his meta case on kita, but there is waaaaaaaay too much stuff being read as a narrative. Almost anyone's filter can be made to read scummily if you want it to, but everything he says is being fit to this narrative without looking at the alternative.

There's really too much "oh, might as well". Does everyone voting VE genuinely believe he's scum? Obviously this isn't aimed at kita/MZ/Toad, but the rest of you. Is he the best chance of flipping scum for today or are you being led by vocal people?

On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there).
Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff.

It LOOKS LIKE I'm just feigning activity with "fluff". Okay, well, this point is invalid without examples of my fluffy feigned activity. The fact of the matter is that I was scumhunting and trying to get people to comment on others in an attempt to build a baseline for scumhunting later. It's called scumhunting, and it's not fluff.

Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler +
Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread.

Okay, well here's the thing: the fact that it's easy to make as scum does not make it a fake claim. Sorry, but that's just not the case. If you have some kind of reason to believe that it's a fake RB claim now is the time, but you don't give any reasoning other than "Easy to make" and "Look at the language" without saying WHY the language is indicative of me being scum lying about the claim.

So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler +
Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths.

Easy Targets? supersoft maybe, Zealos though, do you not think Zealos is scummy? Really? And Kitaman is an easy target? Honestly? Because it seems to me like Kitaman is about the HARDEST target to lynch today outside of "confirmed"* town Toad. This is MZ trying to take my initiating discussion about the lynch and twisting it into something scummy. This whole case is ridden with stuff like this.

So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler +
Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him.

The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler +
Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it).

This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler +
So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy.

By saying this, I was implying that my lynch wasn't happening and from the lynches possible I wanted to pick the best one. My lynch IS a good lynch, but based on the responses I got overnight, pushing Kita right out of the gates on D2 seemed hasty, especially considering I couldn't make a cohesive case BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE THREAD. So I was trying to find a lynch that I could call a GOOD lynch from the lynches I perceived as possible, and this IS NOT SCUMMY. This is just what I was doing because that's what I saw as the best move.

And now this:+ Show Spoiler +
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-.

Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler +

So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler +
Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler +
I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler +
Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this.

Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler +
Not much to add there.

You can continue to ignore the fact that maybe my stance on lurkers changed after I saw what a problem they were CONTINUING TO BE, EVEN AFTER REPLACEMENTS. I mean, fuck MZ, you're just not giving me ANY breaks, are you? You're not even TRYING to see a townie motivation at all, you've just made up your mind that I'm scum and are giving the story as though I were scum. GUESS WHAT I'M TOWN SURPRISE!!!

VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler +
But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t.

For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler +
Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again.

Here's the lie that's being forced on town right now: that me not voting for Toad was scummy. None of you voted for Toad, are any of you scummy? No, because it was all brought on by the EVIL MUDSLINGING VE right? Except here's my thoughtprocess on the thing: if it's impossible for scum to claim Mason (because a scumbuddy would have to out themselves) then....why don't more scum do it? Seriously, if the generally accepted axiom is "scum don't do that" then.............why wouldn't scum do that? I get that having a confirmed town in office would be cool and everything, but seriously guys, me having a preference about who to elect IS NOT SCUMMY! NO AMOUNT OF MZ SCREAMING ABOUT IT MAKES IT SO

This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler +
Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs.

OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler +
VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say.

Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler +
Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this.

Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler +
Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing.

Flailing? K....

Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler +
Talk about a manufactured issue lol.

Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler +
I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity.