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On May 31 2012 08:48 Probulous wrote:Can someone link me the case against Zealos. He looks like an overwhelmed newb to me  Is this something a newb scum would suggest? Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Particularly given the advice wasn't followed. Yes he has been lurky as hell but so have other posters and he seems geniunely frustrated Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 05:48 Zealos wrote:
I struggle to see why people think me defending Toad is scummy lol.
I am a townie, because of this, I am posting under the assumption that everyone knows I'm town. Hence why, if I defend someone, its because I think they deserve to be defended. If I post accusations, it will be because I think they are scummy. I'm sorry I haven't posted a great deal yet, like I said, my exam is tomorrow, and so I'll be able to post more then. What is the case besides him lurking?
I'm glad you posted those two things Probulous, because those are two things I noticed as they were happening.
In the first quote, it was pretty close to the deadline if I recall correctly - no more than a few hours. Was he really suggesting that in addition to the electoral race we institute ANOTHER vote to decide the lynch? Hours from the lynch? Is there any way to even do that? If you're town, can you imagine a scenario where that would work out?
In the second quote, look at the bolded bit. As a townie, do you expect everyone to "know you're town"? As a townie, I expect NO ONE to know I'm town - as is the nature of the game for a townie...I know no one else's alignment and no one knows mine. However, Zealos "expects everyone to know I'm town". Who knows who is town and who isn't? Scum. I think Zealos is newbScum out of his element here.
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On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think?
Prob can you take a look at this post and my thoughts on it and comment? Bugs is too busy thinking I'm a dumbass to take anything I say seriously.
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I don't care about balance right now. I care about finding scum. I think we have in Zealos/Gambit. If you're interested in helping us find out which is the better target, feel free Kita - I'm not sure who among the Vets is scum yet, but I'm certain that if I'm considered a Vet then I'm not one of the scum Vets. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
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On May 31 2012 09:10 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 09:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide (" provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Prob can you take a look at this post and my thoughts on it and comment? Bugs is too busy thinking I'm a dumbass to take anything I say seriously. Weren't you implying the same thing? You didn't want to vote him into office because he might get manipulated by scum. The way I read it, Zealos is saying that Toad can prove he is town when his mason actions occur. It is unlikely that scum would claim mason so early day 1 so it makes sense to assume Toad is town. But even so waiting till he confirms himself is not a bad play, in fact you were singing from the same song sheet. This assumption is important "The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting (" looks very town")" Why do you assume it is based on his posting and not his claim? It seems pretty townie to me to claim mason early.
To be fair I don't. This is just an observation/hypothesis.
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I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah.
Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good.
Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been.
##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Hyaach
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[QUOTE]On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:
[QUOTE]On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher? [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post.
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So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No?
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EBWOP: Preview is my friend! 
On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:
lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post.
So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No?
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On May 31 2012 10:05 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:EBWOP: Preview is my friend! On May 28 2012 15:23 kitaman27 wrote:
lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post.
So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No? I think he is in a pool of about 10 players who have no interest in playing this game. If we're lynching lurkers then fine, but with his limited number of posts I can say to have an opinion one way or the other.
Are you of the opinion that these "non-players" should get a pass and continue to "muddy the waters" of the game? I mean, if it's as you say and you can't read these 10 guys, do you want them alive at LYLO?
Given what Probulous has said about Hyaach, you're not any more or less willing to lynch Hyaach over anyone else?
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On May 31 2012 10:01 kitaman27 wrote:
I assumed the lyncher would know who their target was. It would be incredibly difficult to have to lynch a random role like "Gaz", which would come mostly down to luck.
Can I assume you just pulled that name out of thin air kitaman or was there something to that name in particular?
Because I have to say...I can think of someone in the Zim universe who would LOVE to lynch Gaz. Like...love it.
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I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita.
Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!!
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On May 31 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita.
Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!!
Case in point: Forumite! Forumite was third-party, and all he had to do was scumhunt to win the game die. Like, he looked so townie by trying to find Zim (who obviously I'm presuming is scum) that combined with the fact that he's a vet made him a target over, say, soon-to-be-"mod-confirmed"*-town-Toad.
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On May 31 2012 11:22 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 11:16 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 31 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita.
Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!!
Case in point: Forumite! Forumite was third-party, and all he had to do was scumhunt to win the game die. Like, he looked so townie by trying to find Zim (who obviously I'm presuming is scum) that combined with the fact that he's a vet made him a target over, say, soon-to-be-"mod-confirmed"*-town-Toad. So you think Kita is third party? My running theory is that Kita is mafia who wanted to divert town and discredit Toad. When that was shot down he changed tack and tried to discredit you. The problem I have is that he raised the lyncher thing first. It's like fearmongering -> discredit Toad -> discredit VE But that means his whole motivation for the lyncher obsession was to create confusion?
It's possible of course, but I'm actually with you - I'd say Kita is more likely scum than third party. The Iggins thing was a joke because he mentioned Gaz, literally my favorite character in any show ever made.
"But that means his whole motivation for the lyncher obsession was to create confusion?"
Possibly...but I think it's probably more sinister than that if Kita is scum.
Like, kita's town play is pretty easy to distinguish...he's active, he pushes his reads and he questions people to get those reads. All he's done this game was OMGUS all over my face, which is absolutely NOT the kind of play I expect of town Kita. Not at all. Town Toad definitely. Town VE absolutely. Not Town Kita.
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No I'm not - I stated very clearly that I have suspicions of you that I can't articulate Kita - and that still stands, if you're town I'm willing to work with you. However, if you're town you're trying to lynch a townie (me) and how do you expect me to work with you when you're trying to lynch me Kita? Honestly, your expectations are ludicrous.
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Your case is terrible MZ. I've told you why - because you're jumping to conclusions about my intentions without considering town motivations for the things you're accusing me of.
You're sheeping Kita, nothing more. Everything you've said is basically what Kita has said only better, but what Kita has said is balls too, so that's not saying much.
You got nothing. You're going to fail to get me lynched. Instead of cooperative, helpful VE, you get Dark Archon VE with mind control and shit...I hope you're prepared.
I don't think you're prepared.
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Probulous, go check out Storm Mafia if you want a really good and accurate example of Kita's town play. Kita doesn't afraid of asking people about the issues when he's town. Kita doesn't afraid of pushing his reads, as he has been today.
Still no vote Kita? Don't wanna be too HASTY? Don't wanna vote against town-sentiment? Cause that would just be DEVASTATING wouldn't it? You know, in case you have to kill me tonight, you don't want that name EVEN CROSSED OUT under my name huh? That's cool, I understand that. If I were scum I'd probably be a little cautious too.
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Anyway, it's been real gentlemen. But I have much to do. SOOOOOO MUCH!!!
I'm aware that is a Zim quote - this is not me claiming scum, for those of you who watch the show.
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On May 31 2012 12:08 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 11:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your case is terrible MZ. I've told you why - because you're jumping to conclusions about my intentions without considering town motivations for the things you're accusing me of.
Meh. The only town motivation I can construct for your filter is that: 1. You're obsessed with Toad and 2. You just fucking love posting. Waiting for MZ case part 2.
I DO love posting, actually...and I am a little obsessed with Toad, as he's a little obsessed with me (go check his filter if you doubt it ). Our play mystifies one another, and neither of us can understand why anyone thinks the other is any good. It's kinda our thing.
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I have balls Bugs...they're huge.
The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes.
Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that?
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Because Probulous' case on Hyaach is better than yours on Gambit Bugs, get over it.
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