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Edit: Also for Pardoner, I'm assuming that the "typing" shouldn't be in the description and that it is indeed a hidden ability and not an in-thread ability? Pardoner - You can save a player from a lynch by typing PMing me that you want to save the player that will be lynched. You can use this ability once. You can not Pardon yourself. | ||
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On May 09 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote: Toads little guide for choosing your role as #1 draft I'm going to make it a 3-way guide. a) What to pick as mafia b) What to pick as a vet town c) What to pick as a newbie-town who isn't sure if he really should play the strongest role in the game: a) You are mafia? Awesome, pick CPR. Free 1 KP per night, that's right, you just doubled your entire teams KP! Also you're not someone who's carrying a gun making you immune vs that gun-bob. b) You are a vet-town? Awesome, pick CPR. Multishot-vig with infinite bullets and it isn't even compulsive! Isn't that great? Oh did I already mention that it has an build in idiot-safety as well? You either are a vig with infinite bullets or you are a medic if you end up targeting the same guy mafia was hitting making him confirmed town. Someone like Sandro / Qatol / foolish (you get the idea, right?) would destroy mafia as CPR. Also Mafia can't possibly have that role. c) You are a noob-town? Awesome, pick CPR. Multishot-vig with infinite bullets and it isn't even compulsive! Isn't that great? Oh did I already mention that it has an build in idiot-safety as well? You either are a vig with infinite bullets or you are a medic if you end up targeting the same guy mafia was hitting making him confirmed town. You probably should never use your role though you're a noob but mafia not having it is better than any other role in the game. Edit: I edited this post at least 10 times. CPR has a gun. | ||
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On May 10 2012 12:01 Incognito wrote: Of course there is a big debate because the OPs have been confusingly worded since the beginning (and PYP Insane/Interesting maybe some others also didn't follow how the OP is worded, the formula changed somewhere between PYP 2 and 3). GMarshal's way makes the most sense and that's how it was done in PYP Interesting. All blocks of first number picks are continuous. The formula is: Order the list by uniqueness of first number. Now all of the players who picked [x] as their first number are grouped into a sublist. The second number helps determine the relative orderings of these players who picked [x]. In the example of: 1. [19] 2. [1] 3. [1] 4. [6] 5. [6] 6. [7] 7. [7] 8. [7] 9. [7] There are 4 sublists. The sublist containing people who picked [19] as their first number, the sublist containing people who picked [1] as their first number, etc. Now you use the 2nd number to determine the order of people in each sublist. But each sublist maintains its slot in the ordering, so there are no 7s jumping before 1s. Just think of it as, 7 is the least unique number, so all the 7s go to the end of the list. All the players who picked 6 are part of a sublist that occupies slots 4-5 in the order. All players who picked 7 are now part of a sublist that occupies slots 6-9 in the draft order. Now repeat the process and order each sublist by uniqueness of the second number. Second number should be a tiebreaker for picking the same first number, there is no need to "make both numbers meaningful". 2nd number is only meaningful if you picked a bad first number. If you want the 2nd number to have more meaning, you might as well expand the range of numbers from like 1-100 just so that you get less clashes, or you might as well randomize the draft list. Making the 2nd number more meaningful just increases the luck. Keeping it as a tiebreaker makes people think more carefully about their 1st number pick. The example here doesn't cover all possibilities, but the wording does. I'm assuming in your scenario if I had four 6's instead of four 7's then it would look like this: 1. [19] 2. [1] 3. [1] 4. [7] 5. [7] 6. [6] 7. [6] 8. [6] 9. [6] | ||
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I've submitted my numbers and I'm going to read through the thread now. Apologies to GM for not being as active as I'd hoped. Let's do this! | ||
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I'm okay with either CPR Janitor CPR/Janitor 50/50 or CPR CPR Janitor Qatol, it looks like your argument against the second option was that it didn't prevent the Janitor power from being used (please correct me if I have this wrong). However, in either situation, if mafia gets the Janitor spot on the queue, they can use it in exchange for a member of their team. Either way if Janitor is used we lynch into the Janitor spot on the queue. I also don't really mind if people post their own rankings of the roles. It can be useful for newer players who haven't seen many of these roles, such as myself, to see the discussion. As long as everyone looking for advice doesn't take it as a "you have to pick these roles in these positions", it seems more beneficial than harmful. | ||
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Is it ill advised to talk about picks at this point? I'm debating with myself whether to try for a decent power that has a low (but non-zero) probability of getting passed up or just picking the worst power (imo) so that I at least have something. | ||
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Which VTs should claim their choice? Since I'm fairly low on the queue, there's a good chance that my pick does not go through. Of the possible roles, which should I claim if I picked one and it didn't work? I'm thinking at least all the ones listed under "Mafia" roles, but any others? | ||
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On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol. Risk please cooperate? risk made it quite clear he was not going to cooperate. Then Sentinel tries to make it sound like he attempted to pick the janitor role by adding a frowny face: On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I did not get janitor When in fact we now know that the Janitor was not picked by anyone in the top 4. Sentinel lied then tried to make it seem like he didn't lie without actually lying anymore. That's good enough for a day 1 lynch to me. ##Vote [UoN]Sentinel | ||
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On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote: You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier. Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan. Not much to analyze in my vote. Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia). Why would town do this? | ||
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On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote: Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE. place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out. Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else? I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town. So blue it is for now. He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all. ##vote Blue Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing. I don't think Blue is a good vote at this point in the game. Let him play a bit. I think he becomes easier to figure out as the game goes on. Your thoughts on Sentinel? | ||
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This is great though as right now we have a confirmed scum in one of the two | ||
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marv seems to be the most honest of the three so I've put him at the end of the list. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:45 Qatol wrote: What exactly did he say he would do which he didn't do? He said he would take Janitor. He tried to take Janitor. He claims he got vanilla instead. What about that is anti-town? Calm down a little and think this through, please. I'm not necessarily saying he isn't the best lynch target of the 3 (him, risk.nuke, and marvellosity), but I am saying that your logic for voting him isn't sound. This is why you need to do an analysis. And I still think PaqMan is a stronger target (sorry my post is taking so long - I'm at 6 pages in word and counting). All I'm doing is trying to get everyone to calm down and have an open mind about lynch targets. I clearly posted that with the assumption that risk.nuke was telling the truth. Now that there is new information, I am open to either a risk.nuke lynch or a Sentinel lynch. However, I still believe that the wording in Sentinel's posts seemed deceptive; whereas, risk.nuke has been completely clear and straightforward in his decision making. | ||
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This means that one of them is scum. That is a 1/3 chance, much better than any hunches you might have on PaqMan or sandroba or whoever else. To address some points: risk.nuke has voted Sentinel and Sentinel has voted risk.nuke; therefore, it is very unlikely that one of them is lying to draw fire from scum if they have actually chosen Janitor. Sentinel has claimed vanilla town; therefore, is probably the safest lynch of the three if we want to avoid accidentally lynching a blue. @Toad: We are not lynching blind into 3 targets. Read the thread. Read their filters. Make an educated decision. Don't lynch blind. My scum rank for the three are: 1. Sentinel 2. risk.nuke 3. marvellosity Any discussion of targets other than these 3 will only help cause confusion amongst the town and WILL ONLY BENEFIT SCUM. Qatol, I do understand the conviction to lynch a scum you think you've got pegged, but other people (myself included) just don't see the case as that strong. Here we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum. Those are great odds. Help us out with some analysis of these 3 people rather than tunneling on PaqMan. To conclude: People should talk about Sentinel, risk.nuke and marvellosity because there is a 1/3 random chance that one of them is scum. Talking about other targets will only help mafia because it spreads confusion among a town which must be focused to win the game. | ||
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On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote: If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours? Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role? Is anyone actually doing this? | ||
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That's how I see it. | ||
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On May 19 2012 02:10 Palmar wrote: You forget that sentinal did not have to claim at all. And if we lynch townie today, we're killing the other two anyway, so whatever. I don't think we would have forgotten about him if he just didn't claim. I agree with risk that it seems like he rushed into this without thinking everything through fully. Either way, everyone needs to be voting between Sentinel and risk.nuke at this point to ensure we have a lynch. | ||
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On May 19 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote: So you think that after seeing 2 out of 3 people not doing what they were supposed to do according to our plan and the third flipping mafia he would be crazy panicing as mafia and "shitshitshit, they will lynch me if I tell them I didn't do what I was supposed to do"? Just a straight yes or no. Want to know if I need to talk you in the future. My answer is whichever will prevent you from talking to me in the future (of this game). Nothing personal, but I think you talking less in general would be beneficial for town. If you can't be clear enough with your posting that you have to bust out multiple posts every day whining about how someone said the same thing that you did, except in a way that made sense, maybe you should put some more time into your posts. I don't want to drag the discussion away from scum-hunting though, so please don't reply to this. | ||
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On May 19 2012 04:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: How about claiming the fucking Janitor? I wouldn't put two people under fire, I'd just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence. Risk and marv already said neither one chose Janitor, are they going to suddenly claim they have it after I made my claim? That would make them look worse than they do now. You claimed before risk.nuke did. And you did it in such a way that it left you open to either claiming not to have tried to get Janitor or to have tried and failed to get Janitor. Why would risk.nuke come in and see that both you and marv have claimed not to have gotten Janitor, then claim not to be the Janitor if he was scum? The only way that makes sense is if he is really scum and did not choose Janitor - a scenario which doesn't work based on yours and marv's claims. Your defense defends him more than yourself because of the order of claims. If he chose Janitor, he could "just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence." Time stamps: On May 17 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote: I am not Janitor On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I did not get janitor On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not the janitor. | ||
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On May 19 2012 05:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned. Why would you be arguing that you're the janitor?(!) Scumslip? If risk claimed that he was the janitor then it would be assumed that you were both telling the truth and that you were both town aligned. Noone would be arguing anything. You seem to have forgotten that you're claiming to have attempted to get the Janitor role but ended up as VT. I'd like other people besides Sentinel to weigh in since obviously if he's mafia there's no point just the two of us going back and forth. | ||
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If Palmar pardoned Sentinel (which I don't think he did because he's intelligent), someone should probably shoot him for prolonging the debate). If Sentinel flips town, we shoot/lynch risk.nuke tonight and tomorrow. If Sentinel flips mafia, obviously risk.nuke has to shoot tonight so we should still discuss mafia targets throughout the night. Just waiting on the flip now. | ||
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Honestly, risk is probably going to shoot tonight. He's that kind of guy. We should do our best to give him the best target, while at the same time, if we can't find a reasonable one, encourage him not to shoot | ||
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And Qatol: I'd forgotten about the Jailkeeper. I think jailing risk.nuke is a great idea to both prevent him from shooting and keep him safe. At talis: Again, I'm not thinking clearly here. Of course zelblade is now just a confirmed VT (assuming that the revealed role is JOAT) and is a lower priority. I blame the beers. | ||
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On May 20 2012 13:15 Mattchew wrote: When is deadline 3 hours ago, I believe. | ||
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On May 20 2012 13:43 Qatol wrote: Actually, 4 hours ago (well, more like 4 hours 45 minutes by this point). Deadlines for nights are 1 hour earlier than deadlines for days. Thought he meant when the day post was supposed to go up. Anyways, hopefully it'll be up in the morning. | ||
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Have all appropriate night resolution PMs been sent out? | ||
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However, I think the problem I had with putting him at the top of my scum list though was this line here: I think we should lynch PacMan next, We had just lynched Sentinel and the conversation had moved away from PaqMan; then, he throws his name out again without anyone else, and also puts the idea in vigs heads to shoot him. Seemed kinda risky mafia play to me. What are your thoughts on that? Now, to turn the page a little. I'm wondering if all you vets out there (Qatol, sandroba, Palmar, anyone else wanting to take a stab) wouldn't mind helping me out with a look at slOosh. I'll admit, he isn't really a mafia candidate in my books, but he deserves a look as a possible SK for sure. I'm getting a much more wishy-washy feeling from slOosh than I had in a previous game I played with him. None of his posts seem committal and he constantly seems to be deferring decisions in the game to other players: I.E.: I would agree that Barundar's comment on wanting to say less is indeed suspicious, because the first instinct I had when people started throwing out my name was to clear it. But then wouldn't scum want to do that? Or SK? So I'm confused. But that might be the intended effect of that play. We see that early on he does push the Mattchew could be scum idea, as well as the general theme of tying up roles / rolepicks, which does play into the SK motif. What are people's thoughts on the mass roleclaim at day? I'm not sure because people expressed reservations but it may just have been for the night time and not the plan in itself. Also, his "longer" posts have been more concerned with mechanics than scumhunting: [example] Compare this with the slOosh from C9++ mini mafia: Link to Filter He is quite a bit more assertive and more proactive in finding mafia in this town game: [click][click] @slOosh: What gives, man? Why do you seem so wishy-washy this game? Finally, my own opinion in regards to the roleclaims: I think we should come up with a list of most suspicious people and get them to claim first. People like hiro protagonist. | ||
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Also, I am marv's townie mason buddy. Sorry my position in queue wasn't higher. Finally, I agree with Qatol's order of claiming. Misder has already claimed that he has a role, so slOosh should now too. | ||
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risk.nuke Vigilante -> shot paqman n1 (claimed vig very early with possibility of counter-claim so likely confirmed) marvellosity Mason -> partner is Snarfs Mattchew Dayvig shot deconduo zelblade VT tried for JOAT (claimed JOAT before Sentinel was revealed so almost confirmed) Misder Claimed Roleblocker -> Block Palmar n1, block hiro n2 (Confirmed there were roleblocks) slOosh Claimed Parity Cop -> Checked Talis n1 Palmar n2 (same) Toadesstern Claimed VT tried for mason Barundar Zephirdd Claimed VT tried for politician hiro protagonist Claimed Doctor -> Save Qatol n1, save Qatol n2 Palmar Claimed Pardoner Snarfs VT tried for politician Qatol Jailer -> Jailed risk n1 modconfirmed, jailed marv n2 sandroba VT tried for mason Probulous VT modkilled day1 | ||
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As others have pointed out, it makes little sense for either of them to claim the way they did. However, it makes less sense for Barundar to claim that role second. The only goal Barundar could have is to get the doctor lynched so that he has a free shot at Qatol tonight, but then he still dies tomorrow and mafia lose. If Barundar is mafia, at the time of his claim, he had given his team a ZERO percent chance at winning. At least hiro, with his earlier claim, could have been hoping that Barundar did not pick doctor, in addition to knowing that if he causes a mislynch of a doctor he can shoot Qatol. If Hiro is mafia, at the time of his claim, he had a GREATER THAN ZERO percent chance of winning. In addition to this, hiro makes the most sense for mafia. I agreed with much of what Qatol said in his case and had come to similar conclusions before the whole roleclaim. Especially notice how he just says that he does not think we should lynch Sentinel without any reasoning. [Link] Now, knowing that he is in the mess of things, I think that he is a more viable target than Barundar. Think about it from Barundar's and hiro's perspectives. Barundar just threw the game if he's either mafia or SK. This would be the last explanation I would give for anyone's play on TL. hiro at least had a chance that Barundar would not claim doctor. I suggest everyone switch to hiro as it makes more sense logically for him to be mafia. ##Unvote Barundar ##Vote hiro protagonist | ||
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On May 23 2012 16:02 Qatol wrote: 2. Snarfs, you being the mason townie makes me sad, and not just because it means we have a bigger list of players to sort through to find the SK. You were my strongest townie read by far and I was hoping to confirm someone else I wasn't quite so sure of. I think you're mostly on the right track. The only thing I'm unsure of is voting for Barundar and assuming that everyone else is telling the truth about their picks (I know others are doing more of this than you are). Do you think we are better served by going for the people who are likely to be SK or the people who are likely to be mafia? Or maybe the one player who stands a decent chance of being either one (Zephirdd)? I think that we given the current information, we should be lynching hiro protagonist as he has a 1/2 random chance of being scum, and a much greater chance than that based on actions we've both identified in the thread. I think that we should wait and see what happens after the lynch today, then help the other role players in the game decide how best to use their actions. People like zephirdd will need to be confirmed somehow, and I agree that he does stand a decent chance of being SK, though maybe not mafia. About the vote on Barundar: We can discuss this after the game | ||
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On May 24 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote: Snarfs I would usually totally agree with you. But this isn't a normal game anymore after the sent flip. I just don't think there is a way to figure this out based on the role claims AT ALL. Both are equally mafia-esque. Barundars action makes a little less sense than hiros action from a not-town perspective but he could do that on purpose. I doubt getting the medic (if there is one) is a goal. I'd say the one who is not town out of those 2 gave up the game and wants to be lynched which makes it incredible hard to judge wether something makes sense or not from a mafia point of view. We should see to it that one of those 2 is lynched today, It makes no difference who get's lynched first except for the lucky factor if we hit mafia or town but there's just no reasonable way to figure this out. I do not think that we should play as though they gave up. Even so, I believe that based on actions in the thread, hiro is likely mafia. If you haven't already, you should reread Qatol's analysis I linked in that post. Finally, if nothing else convinces you and you are down to a coinflip between the two, you it might as well sheep Qatol. Conclusion: Before the roleclaim, both Qatol and I thought hiro was a good mafia candidate. After the roleclaim, hiro is one of two people caught in a 1:1 trade. I believe that hiro should be lynched. | ||
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On May 24 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote: I think so to but not by far and people wanted to barundar lynched first. I'm not exactly in a position were I can talk about 80% of the people and tell them to switch votes. I said Barundars action makes less sense from an anti-town position as well earlier when I was talking with Zephird but he and zelblade disagreed and so I stopped talking about it because as mentioned I don't really have the platform to do that in this game anymore. A hiry lynch is SLIGHTLY better but the important thing is that a lynch happens today so make sure we don't no-lynch please :p Still plenty of time to get hiro lynched | ||
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On May 24 2012 07:22 hiro protagonist wrote: To sum up, Snarfs, I found a hole in your logic: It makes sense for a SK Barunder to counter claim IF he thinks I am scum and lieing. IF that where true, then he would have A MUCH GREATER CHANCE AT WINNING. On May 24 2012 01:07 Snarfs wrote: The only other option is that Barundar is SK and he is counting his entire game on the fact that hiro is mafia. Either way, we have scum, but it makes more sense to lynch hiro today. I covered that already. | ||
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I'm not sure if shooting Barundar is the play here when we can lynch him tomorrow and possibly let risk get rid of someone he finds suspicious. Either way though, he should definitely be roleblocked. I'd probably shoot Toad or zephir here to clean up some of the unconfirmable roles who were on the wrong side of the Sentinel lynch. slOosh can check into the opposite one. | ||
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Anyways, I thought about it last night, and I agree with Qatol. The extra couple of days of discussion would only benefit us; therefore, we should roleblock and shoot Barundar tonight. I'm going to give the thread a reread tonight and come up with some better ideas about who the last scum could be. | ||
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I was roleblocked + shot at and saved (in other words Qatol successfully protected me). | ||
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On May 25 2012 16:55 sandroba wrote: @Qatol Do you think it's possible zelblade outed the scum on top for no reason, by claiming that shit way early? Why would he do that as mafia? I'm inclined to agree with this line of reasoning. The timing of him calling shenanigans on the top 3 players was much too early. [link] He was essentially the first person to cast suspicion towards the top 3 players. | ||
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Mainly because on day 1 he was trying to find any reason possible not to lynch Sentinel (or anyone in the group at all). Many of which included trying to explain how all 3 could be town. I could understand not wanting to lynch into them because you think you have a better scum target, but trying to explain that all 3 could be town seems to come from a different mindset. This only makes sense if you don't want to start lynching into the group at all (ie. you want them all to live so that the scum in the group doesn't get found out) Some of his reasons for not lynching into the group include: a) They could all be town b) If we mislynch we could potentially lose a strong blue role c) We get 0 information from the lynch d) It will cause confusion e) It's a 2/3 chance to lynch town for nothing f) even Qatol would be a better lynch candidate than those 3 although he's looking pretty townish right now ?? This is full of contradiction: I am pretty certain if I was a towny in Risks position and I picked janitor I would lie about it as well and I would vote sent as well. I have no idea why that is supposed to be scummy. If risk IS a janitor he's probably town. If he's not he's probably not. I don't know wether or not he's a janitor yet but I think I understand what he's doing, therefore the lightish-green color and it makes sense, although I don't really like it, but that's risk. I never like what he's doing. He would do what risk is doing in his position, but doesn't like what he's doing? People have pointed out all the time that I am looking like someone with a townie mindset. Trying to catch scum with that mason thing, confirming marv and all that, yet people come here and say "well that could be Toad doing that for towncred". Why the assumption that I do good things for towncred instead of the assumption "well that looks townish, he's probably town" ?!? This is just plain wrong. I don't really remember people claiming he has a townie mindset, nor that he is doing things for towncred. At this point, come tomorrow, I would prefer his lynch over anyone else who might seem scummy. It's too much of a stretch for me to believe that Toad actually thought all 3 of the people in that group could be town. | ||
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On May 26 2012 02:03 zelblade wrote: Dude hes the SK (most likely) I will post my thoughts on who the last scum and the traitor are tomorrow. Its late and I dont feel like typing out a long post now. How about a preview so we have something to discuss? | ||
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I agree that Toad is most likely traitor. It makes sense for him not to want to lynch any of the three day 1 if he thinks there might be scum in there and he's trying to help them out. | ||
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Allow me to patronize you as you're clearly patronizing me: + Show Spoiler [My points on Toad] + On May 26 2012 01:14 Snarfs wrote: I think Toad's either the last mafia or a traitor. Mainly because on day 1 he was trying to find any reason possible not to lynch Sentinel (or anyone in the group at all). Many of which included trying to explain how all 3 could be town. I could understand not wanting to lynch into them because you think you have a better scum target, but trying to explain that all 3 could be town seems to come from a different mindset. This only makes sense if you don't want to start lynching into the group at all (ie. you want them all to live so that the scum in the group doesn't get found out) Some of his reasons for not lynching into the group include: a) They could all be town b) If we mislynch we could potentially lose a strong blue role c) We get 0 information from the lynch d) It will cause confusion e) It's a 2/3 chance to lynch town for nothing f) even Qatol would be a better lynch candidate than those 3 although he's looking pretty townish right now ?? This is full of contradiction: He would do what risk is doing in his position, but doesn't like what he's doing? This is just plain wrong. I don't really remember people claiming he has a townie mindset, nor that he is doing things for towncred. At this point, come tomorrow, I would prefer his lynch over anyone else who might seem scummy. It's too much of a stretch for me to believe that Toad actually thought all 3 of the people in that group could be town. IN SHORT: Me saying Toad is traitor or scum because one would have to try really hard not to think in order to actually believe that all 3 of risk.nuke, marv and Sentinel could have been town. On May 26 2012 06:44 Toadesstern wrote: Snarfs are you making things up or didn't you read my filter before making that "case?" Thanks for the attempt at misrepresenting me, yet again. I'm not sure if it's because you lack a certain mastery of the english language, you're just being a jerk, or you are actually scum, but at least have the courtesy to address what I actually said. Of course I read your novel of a filter before posting. Do you think I want to sound like an idiot? | ||
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On May 28 2012 03:53 marvellosity wrote: I may have missed this, but why are you so set on Misder? Because risk.nuke is claiming to have been roleblocked and we know Misder is a roleblocker. If there is no traitor, then Misder must have roleblocked risk.nuke or risk.nuke is lying. That is why. @Qatol: I would shoot zephirdd tonight. I see Toad as more of a Traitor role than a scum role. If neither of those two are scum, then I would definitely consider lynching Misder. | ||
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That being said, I would like to remind everyone remaining that Mattchew is still in this game, and the fact that he's been coasting off a dayvig shot since day 1 with very little scum hunting is concerning and the remaining town should not forget about him. That being said though, I still believe the lynch today is Toad. I would like to hear more opinions from everyone who has played games with him in the past, even if it's just a general feeling you get from his gameplay. If you feel that he isn't a good lynch today, explain who you think should be lynched and why. We can't just assume we have this game won until the last mafia is dead so help everyone else out by making sure we get this right today. Toad, I doubt that sandroba is the last mafia. Is zelblade still your second choice? Would you lynch him over Mattchew? Could you rank your top 3 scum if that's not them, preferably with reasoning? And no more discussing day 1, we have enough info there. If you do end up being lynched today and you really are town, I want to make sure you've given us as much information as you can, so please try to make your posts as clear as possible. sandroba, you agreed Toad is probably the last mafia. If he isn't, who should be lynched next and why? Especially since you said that you can't see zelblade being scum. Everyone else, please pitch in! | ||
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Here's the reasoning I gave to marv for why I believe sandroba is town: I'm not saying he hasn't done anything unusual from his town meta, but to be fair, look at Palmar who is most obviously town or the game would be over right now. Similar thing. This game has been weird and I wouldn't be surprised if others agreed it was weird. Plus, why not just vote risk.nuke day 1? Why come up with some bullshit reason that Sentinel must be traitor, just to vote him instead of saving him for the first night, unless he actually believed that Sentinel could be traitor? I really do believe that the scum team tried to save Sentinel day 1 and that if sandroba wanted to bus Sentinel he could have come up with less of a weird theory (one not involving traitors). If sandroba wants to bus someone, he can just say that he thinks that person is scum because of some legit reason and if he's right everyone agrees that it's a town sandroba. This sandroba came up with some weird traitor theory that noone else had come up with even though there were a bunch of votes on Sentinel. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure you're scum. I second guessed myself recently in PMs with marv. However, I believe that if you are town, your death will add a lot more power to your words. I believe that with current information, you're more likely to be scum than zel or sandroba, and apparently a few others agree based on the voting. That being said, if you die and flip town, I'll be more than happy to consider everything you've said as genuine. | ||
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On May 29 2012 06:08 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is the the biggest busser on all of TL.net ... That's how he plays mafia. The moment he thinks someone plays weird enough to come to the conclusion his townie-self would figure him out he busses that guy no matter what. You can take that for granted once I flip :p is probably the most useful thing you've said so far. Why can't all your posts be this simple and informative? | ||
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On May 29 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote: I am not voting toad, I don't think he is scum. I think that sandroba is scum What about Toad makes you think he is town? | ||
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On May 25 2012 20:01 Palmar wrote: I'm asking for a replacement out of the game. Consider me out of the game until the mods or I (with their blessing) find a replacement. If he was scum the game should really be over by now because he conceded and there has been no replacement. I give a 0% chance Palmar is scum. I think the general plan in my head right now is to lynch either sandroba or Toad, then if they flip town, lynch the opposite one. If it turns out both are town look at zelblade and everyone else again because if Palmar gets modkilled that'd be mylo. | ||
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I've asked him to redact anything that wouldn't follow GM's rules in regards to flaming people so hopefully he does that. I guess I die tonight and I don't really have much to add now. Palmar should probably be modkilled which gives you one more mislynch before mylo. Obviously don't lynch on mylo if you feel you can still get information from anyone in this game. Lynch sandroba tomorrow for not caring enough. Especially consider the fact that he proposed no lynching on day 1 rather than lynching into the triad, but he completely ignored Qatol's case on PaqMan. If he's town, really read over the thread again before jumping on zelblade as I think he had a decent point about zelblade claiming that there was something fishy going on in the top 3 well before the information came out. Sentinel's reaction to my pressure made it seem like there was no intention of busing in the top 3, at least to begin with, so keep that in mind when reassessing the situation. I don't want to start throwing a bunch of blame around people as that would give mafia good ways to manipulate you. | ||
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He's way too neutral in all his posts and he hasn't really pushed anyone at all this game. Like on day 1 rather than try to convince people himself that Sentinel isn't scum, he tries to get Toad and Palmar to convince people: So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum? Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role? He tries to say that people are stupid for voting Sentinel with the only excuse being that Sentinel is a vanilla town, but it was really overemphasized, as Palmar pointed out. Or throughout the game, he seems really hesitant to give scum reads. You can read his filter for yourself and see if you agree with me on that one, but that's the impression I got. I got a lot of a "safe" feeling from reading his filter. Trying to say things but not really saying things. One thing that stood out to me though: Misder probably town. Only scineario where I would consider him not town was if he was traitor and last scum is RB. Unlikely. Followed by: Which leaves us with misder, sandroba and toad. I am relatively sure the last scum lies within either toad or sandroba, though I have yet to decide which. Leaning toad at the moment. Busy today, I will make a decision when I get back to the thread tomorrow. He doesn't make it clear how his thinking changed from Misder being town unless he's traitor (which we now know he isn't), to being one of three remaining scum. At least sandroba's thought process seems clear. Then, like Qatol said, there's the fact that all he claimed day 1 was that shenanigans had taken place, yet he didn't actually claim his role until it was apparent Sentinel was going to be lynched. If he had claimed his role a lot earlier, it would look good. This should probably only be a null tell, not a town tell as I'd been reading it, so really you shouldn't be using this as an excuse to not lynch zelblade. Simplest explanation at this point is that zelblade is mafia. He was voting risk.nuke and I still think that counts for something. Anyways, zelblade or sandroba, probably the simplest explanation so yea. | ||
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f you hit mylo and you want to no-lynch, you don't want the person who's role you don't know to be alive... think about what would happen if it turns out zelblade's been a copycat this entire time. | ||
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I was very happy you got me as a mason buddy marv. I was one of the people who had submitted a mason pick, then saw that sandroba wanted it so changed my pick and I really like the role as well. As you guessed, I was obviously suspicious of you to begin with, but when Sentinel flipped scum after you were leaning risk and I gave you the choice of who to pick, that pretty much sealed in my mind that you were town. That and the fact that you kept initiating conversations with me and using me as your soundboard, it was really obvious to me. I do regret not making it more clear in the thread how sure I was that you were town. I understand completely what Palmar means by scumhunting with emotions. That's how Sentinel was such an easy push for me. The people who were unsure weren't online at the time that it all took place, but it seemed as though he was backed into a corner and was starting to grasp at straws. Toad, sorry about that lynch. You really pissed me off though by trying to make me sound like an idiot when you were defending yourself. If you're town, you don't need to do that. Just address the points brought up and if they're logical you can convince the people pushing you that you are town. Qatol's calling out of PaqMan was obviously the most ridiculous play this game. I hope to see more scumhunting like that, and I definitely aspire to be able to do that some day. As for my politician pick, here were my thoughts: Being so low, I could either try for a town role, any of which I figured would already be picked, or I could try to pick a role which could be fun to use if I got and could confirm a scum role if I didn't. I figured that a politician in town hands was a lot more useful than people were making it seem like and I had confidence in my ability to use it near the end of the game if I needed to. The only other choice for me that really would have fit what I was looking for would have been copycat, and I regret not trying for that one. I figured the chances of getting that were too low. I really just wanted any role so picked one that would be unlikely to be picked, but if it was picked already would have been picked by scum. | ||
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