Pick Your Power: Redux

Pardoner - You can save a player from a lynch by typing PMing me that you want to save the player that will be lynched. You can use this ability once. You can not Pardon yourself.

On May 09 2012 01:52 Toadesstern wrote:

Toads little guide for choosing your role as #1 draft

I'm going to make it a 3-way guide. a) What to pick as mafia b) What to pick as a vet town c) What to pick as a newbie-town who isn't sure if he really should play the strongest role in the game:

a) You are mafia? Awesome, pick CPR. Free 1 KP per night, that's right, you just doubled your entire teams KP! Also you're not someone who's carrying a gun making you immune vs that gun-bob.

b) You are a vet-town? Awesome, pick CPR. Multishot-vig with infinite bullets and it isn't even compulsive! Isn't that great? Oh did I already mention that it has an build in idiot-safety as well? You either are a vig with infinite bullets or you are a medic if you end up targeting the same guy mafia was hitting making him confirmed town. Someone like Sandro / Qatol / foolish (you get the idea, right?) would destroy mafia as CPR.
Also Mafia can't possibly have that role.

c) You are a noob-town? Awesome, pick CPR. Multishot-vig with infinite bullets and it isn't even compulsive! Isn't that great? Oh did I already mention that it has an build in idiot-safety as well? You either are a vig with infinite bullets or you are a medic if you end up targeting the same guy mafia was hitting making him confirmed town.
You probably should never use your role though you're a noob but mafia not having it is better than any other role in the game.

Edit: I edited this post at least 10 times.

On May 10 2012 12:01 Incognito wrote:



Of course there is a big debate because the OPs have been confusingly worded since the beginning (and PYP Insane/Interesting maybe some others also didn't follow how the OP is worded, the formula changed somewhere between PYP 2 and 3).

GMarshal's way makes the most sense and that's how it was done in PYP Interesting. All blocks of first number picks are continuous.

The formula is:

Order the list by uniqueness of first number. Now all of the players who picked [x] as their first number are grouped into a sublist. The second number helps determine the relative orderings of these players who picked [x].

In the example of:

1. [19]
2. [1]
3. [1]
4. [6]
5. [6]
6. [7]
7. [7]
8. [7]
9. [7]

There are 4 sublists. The sublist containing people who picked [19] as their first number, the sublist containing people who picked [1] as their first number, etc. Now you use the 2nd number to determine the order of people in each sublist. But each sublist maintains its slot in the ordering, so there are no 7s jumping before 1s.

Just think of it as, 7 is the least unique number, so all the 7s go to the end of the list. All the players who picked 6 are part of a sublist that occupies slots 4-5 in the order. All players who picked 7 are now part of a sublist that occupies slots 6-9 in the draft order. Now repeat the process and order each sublist by uniqueness of the second number. Second number should be a tiebreaker for picking the same first number, there is no need to "make both numbers meaningful". 2nd number is only meaningful if you picked a bad first number.

If you want the 2nd number to have more meaning, you might as well expand the range of numbers from like 1-100 just so that you get less clashes, or you might as well randomize the draft list. Making the 2nd number more meaningful just increases the luck. Keeping it as a tiebreaker makes people think more carefully about their 1st number pick.

On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.

Risk please cooperate?

On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor

On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote:
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

On May 18 2012 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok summary: We had a nice plan to deny mafia CPR although we have a dead mafia which is awesome, mafia probably still has the CPR and we don't know WHERE.

place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out.
Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor

That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else?
I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town.
So blue it is for now.

He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all.

##vote Blue

Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing.

On May 18 2012 04:29 Zephirdd wrote:

Why cant marv be lying?

On May 18 2012 04:45 Qatol wrote:

What exactly did he say he would do which he didn't do? He said he would take Janitor. He tried to take Janitor. He claims he got vanilla instead. What about that is anti-town? Calm down a little and think this through, please. I'm not necessarily saying he isn't the best lynch target of the 3 (him, risk.nuke, and marvellosity), but I am saying that your logic for voting him isn't sound. This is why you need to do an analysis. And I still think PaqMan is a stronger target (sorry my post is taking so long - I'm at 6 pages in word and counting). All I'm doing is trying to get everyone to calm down and have an open mind about lynch targets.

On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote:
If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?

Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role?

On May 19 2012 02:10 Palmar wrote:


You forget that sentinal did not have to claim at all.

And if we lynch townie today, we're killing the other two anyway, so whatever.

On May 19 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:


So you think that after seeing 2 out of 3 people not doing what they were supposed to do according to our plan and the third flipping mafia he would be crazy panicing as mafia and "shitshitshit, they will lynch me if I tell them I didn't do what I was supposed to do"?

Just a straight yes or no. Want to know if I need to talk you in the future.

On May 19 2012 04:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
How about claiming the fucking Janitor? I wouldn't put two people under fire, I'd just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence. Risk and marv already said neither one chose Janitor, are they going to suddenly claim they have it after I made my claim? That would make them look worse than they do now.

On May 17 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote:
I am not Janitor

On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor

On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not the janitor.

On May 19 2012 05:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned.

On May 20 2012 13:15 Mattchew wrote:
When is deadline

On May 20 2012 13:43 Qatol wrote:

Actually, 4 hours ago (well, more like 4 hours 45 minutes by this point). Deadlines for nights are 1 hour earlier than deadlines for days.

I think we should lynch PacMan next, or if any vig prefers, shoot him tonight. nvm, we still dont know if there is a janitor around, we should hold shots for now...

I would agree that Barundar's comment on wanting to say less is indeed suspicious, because the first instinct I had when people started throwing out my name was to clear it. But then wouldn't scum want to do that? Or SK? So I'm confused. But that might be the intended effect of that play. We see that early on he does push the Mattchew could be scum idea, as well as the general theme of tying up roles / rolepicks, which does play into the SK motif.

What are people's thoughts on the mass roleclaim at day? I'm not sure because people expressed reservations but it may just have been for the night time and not the plan in itself.

On May 23 2012 16:02 Qatol wrote:
2. Snarfs, you being the mason townie makes me sad, and not just because it means we have a bigger list of players to sort through to find the SK. You were my strongest townie read by far and I was hoping to confirm someone else I wasn't quite so sure of. I think you're mostly on the right track. The only thing I'm unsure of is voting for Barundar and assuming that everyone else is telling the truth about their picks (I know others are doing more of this than you are). Do you think we are better served by going for the people who are likely to be SK or the people who are likely to be mafia? Or maybe the one player who stands a decent chance of being either one (Zephirdd)?

On May 24 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Snarfs I would usually totally agree with you. But this isn't a normal game anymore after the sent flip.

I just don't think there is a way to figure this out based on the role claims AT ALL. Both are equally mafia-esque.
Barundars action makes a little less sense than hiros action from a not-town perspective but he could do that on purpose.

I doubt getting the medic (if there is one) is a goal. I'd say the one who is not town out of those 2 gave up the game and wants to be lynched which makes it incredible hard to judge wether something makes sense or not from a mafia point of view.

We should see to it that one of those 2 is lynched today, It makes no difference who get's lynched first except for the lucky factor if we hit mafia or town but there's just no reasonable way to figure this out.

On May 24 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote:

I think so to but not by far and people wanted to barundar lynched first.
I'm not exactly in a position were I can talk about 80% of the people and tell them to switch votes.

I said Barundars action makes less sense from an anti-town position as well earlier when I was talking with Zephird but he and zelblade disagreed and so I stopped talking about it because as mentioned I don't really have the platform to do that in this game anymore.

A hiry lynch is SLIGHTLY better but the important thing is that a lynch happens today so make sure we don't no-lynch please :p

On May 24 2012 07:22 hiro protagonist wrote:
To sum up, Snarfs, I found a hole in your logic:

It makes sense for a SK Barunder to counter claim IF he thinks I am scum and lieing. IF that where true, then he would have A MUCH GREATER CHANCE AT WINNING.

On May 24 2012 01:07 Snarfs wrote:
The only other option is that Barundar is SK and he is counting his entire game on the fact that hiro is mafia. Either way, we have scum, but it makes more sense to lynch hiro today.

On May 25 2012 16:55 sandroba wrote:
@Qatol Do you think it's possible zelblade outed the scum on top for no reason, by claiming that shit way early? Why would he do that as mafia?

I am pretty certain if I was a towny in Risks position and I picked janitor I would lie about it as well and I would vote sent as well. I have no idea why that is supposed to be scummy.
If risk IS a janitor he's probably town. If he's not he's probably not. I don't know wether or not he's a janitor yet but I think I understand what he's doing, therefore the lightish-green color and it makes sense, although I don't really like it, but that's risk.
I never like what he's doing.

People have pointed out all the time that I am looking like someone with a townie mindset. Trying to catch scum with that mason thing, confirming marv and all that, yet people come here and say "well that could be Toad doing that for towncred".
Why the assumption that I do good things for towncred instead of the assumption "well that looks townish, he's probably town" ?!?

On May 26 2012 02:03 zelblade wrote:


Dude hes the SK (most likely)

I will post my thoughts on who the last scum and the traitor are tomorrow. Its late and I dont feel like typing out a long post now.

On May 28 2012 03:53 marvellosity wrote:
I may have missed this, but why are you so set on Misder?

I'm not saying he hasn't done anything unusual from his town meta, but to be fair, look at Palmar who is most obviously town or the game would be over right now. Similar thing. This game has been weird and I wouldn't be surprised if others agreed it was weird.

Plus, why not just vote risk.nuke day 1? Why come up with some bullshit reason that Sentinel must be traitor, just to vote him instead of saving him for the first night, unless he actually believed that Sentinel could be traitor?

I really do believe that the scum team tried to save Sentinel day 1 and that if sandroba wanted to bus Sentinel he could have come up with less of a weird theory (one not involving traitors).

If sandroba wants to bus someone, he can just say that he thinks that person is scum because of some legit reason and if he's right everyone agrees that it's a town sandroba. This sandroba came up with some weird traitor theory that noone else had come up with even though there were a bunch of votes on Sentinel.

On May 29 2012 06:08 Toadesstern wrote:

Sandroba is the the biggest busser on all of TL.net ...
That's how he plays mafia. The moment he thinks someone plays weird enough to come to the conclusion his townie-self would figure him out he busses that guy no matter what. You can take that for granted once I flip :p

On May 29 2012 09:05 Mattchew wrote:
I am not voting toad, I don't think he is scum. I think that sandroba is scum

So Toad if that is what you think why is your vote on sentinel? Theres several hours left, use it to convince people (well or try to) to actually vote for who you think is scum?

Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role?

Misder probably town. Only scineario where I would consider him not town was if he was traitor and last scum is RB. Unlikely.

Which leaves us with misder, sandroba and toad. I am relatively sure the last scum lies within either toad or sandroba, though I have yet to decide which. Leaning toad at the moment. Busy today, I will make a decision when I get back to the thread tomorrow.