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[UoN]Sentinel
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United States11320 Posts
May 05 2012 21:07 GMT
#23
##Vote: PYP

Also I won't be here tomorrow for most of the day, but otherwise I should be pretty active.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 05 2012 22:46 GMT
#28
On May 06 2012 07:38 prplhz wrote:
##Vote PYP

Don't know if I will be able to play though.


Please do

WE CAN BE BUDDIES
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 08 2012 01:57 GMT
#91
/in
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 09 2012 18:27 GMT
#187
Wait do we get the numbers people PM'ed as well? I actually want to see how other people picked.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 09 2012 18:58 GMT
#189
Eh, I'm too lazy to find the link again so I'll just try my best and see how I fare.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 10 2012 14:39 GMT
#239
All this number talk is hurting my head. I'm just gonna RNG 2 numbers and hope for the best
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 09:40 GMT
#271
I'm ready.

Also I'll have to be out most of Saturday and Sunday but otherwise I'm good.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 18:59 GMT
#328
On May 15 2012 03:51 talismania wrote:
I really don't think CPR is that great a town role except to deny scum. Its only real use in town's hands is a ballsy person who thinks they can hit scum early and often, or if the player with it acts as pawn for the rest of the town (i.e. uses the cpr doc as a second lynch - which is fraught as well but has some potential upside). It is however a great scum role, especially if no one knows who has it. If it's pick #1, and pick #2 is roleblock, then like I and toad said #2 roleblocks the cpr doc, and the doc can confirm that he was roleblocked, meaning both of those roles are locked down unless we decide to use them later on for some reason.


CPR Doc would work well in town hands if we have a lot of discussion down D1. It would at least give them enough analysis to make an educated guess and act on it.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 19:43 GMT
#338
On May 15 2012 04:38 hiro protagonist wrote:
Unless we do a night start, the copycat will get whatever the role is of whos lynched first, unless that person flips vanilla.

So how about this, we deny the role by having CPR on the the pick list, and then we have the assigied RBer RB em till we are sure of alignment.

Should the first lynch drop vanilla, we Doc the CPR so copycat becomes a non issue.

The only hole with this plan is if both the roleblocker and CPR end up in Mafia hands, whitch is highly unlikely.


What if mafia gets RB but not CPR?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:07 GMT
#351

Protection roles are every bit as valuable as information or killing roles. You shouldn't only be looking to take medic/jailkeeper if you are low on the list. If you are higher on the list and feel comfortable with the role, or you are worried that the role will not be picked/ the role will be sniped early, grab it higher up! Having those roles in the game is very important for continuing to slow down the night killing. They are not low-tier roles.


Agreed. Personally I'm really comfortable playing as Doc, and if I'm not one of the top five (haven't played a power role in forever so I'm interested in those as well) I might snatch that or jailkeeper up.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:26 GMT
#355
Palmar I can actually see doing some decent work w/ one of the vig roles or even CPR Doctor as town.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:37 GMT
#363
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


And don't use electricity, it'll just feed your rage more.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:42 GMT
#367
On May 15 2012 05:38 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 05:37 Palmar wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:
On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way.

you should just go fishing


Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like.

not if i get there first...

they call me quick draw mcgraw



http://i.imgur.com/iZS8D.jpg


And I'm Liane the Evil Bunny. Your drawing skills will not serve you well mortal. Only the holy hand grenade is capable of wounding me.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:42 GMT
#368
EBWOP: Fuck put quote tags instead of image tags

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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 14 2012 20:50 GMT
#372
Lol what were we talking about before the spam and Palmar showing up?

Anyweiz, I'm wondering how good a doctor/jailkeeper would be for mafia. Seems like a really interesting concept, at least for blocking SK's shots. And JK would have a field day with all the blues.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 15 2012 16:27 GMT
#451
Couldn't read page 22 due to school filter problems.

I could see politician as a big player when the numbers are next to even. Or if a scummy-looking town is pulled to vote for a town candidate. Actually people can create a lot of havoc with that, claiming politician changed their vote.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 15 2012 21:51 GMT
#460
Hmm.... that and GMarshal's clarification seems to take angry vig down a notch. Although Hider and Witch aren't exactly prime roles, it's still something to consider.

I think jailkeeper would be odd though in the early game. Since generally you'd have a greater chance of blocking a blue than a red until we have a good picture of who everyone is. It's like shooting someone in the foot and then patching up the wound. The flip side to this is being able to roleblock the SK's bulletproof and having vigs/CPR/mafia take him out.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 15 2012 22:20 GMT
#464
On May 16 2012 06:57 deconduo wrote:
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On May 16 2012 06:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hmm.... that and GMarshal's clarification seems to take angry vig down a notch. Although Hider and Witch aren't exactly prime roles, it's still something to consider.

I think jailkeeper would be odd though in the early game. Since generally you'd have a greater chance of blocking a blue than a red until we have a good picture of who everyone is. It's like shooting someone in the foot and then patching up the wound. The flip side to this is being able to roleblock the SK's bulletproof and having vigs/CPR/mafia take him out.


Nope, cos jailing them protects them as well.


Dammit didn't think that through. Well there's another point for the town rolecop.

Next question - Why would Hider be an important defensive role? From my point of view it seems like an information role or a role that defends others would be much more important. The only use I could see for Hider is an active/veteran player being able to voice his opinions without getting shot.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 16 2012 01:28 GMT
#476
[9, 1] here.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 16 2012 12:26 GMT
#513
Parity cop wouldn't seem too bad either, especially if you're a more out-of-the-way kind of guy who doesn't attract to much attention to himself and not too high on the draft order. After Night 2 you start getting results, especially if a townie can deny a framer role.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 16 2012 17:20 GMT
#563
So if #3 guy checks #1 and #2 by randoming CPR/Janitor and doesn't report anything, would it be a good idea to have him checked by one of the investigators?


If I were SK which toad belives there is a decent chance I am I would never had put myself this high on the draft because highdraft's are likelier to get killed.


But SK is invulnerable at night. All you would have to do is play town, generally blend in, and you could have a field day.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 16 2012 20:59 GMT
#583
I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.

Risk please cooperate?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 16 2012 21:08 GMT
#586
Qatol who is this candidate you are talking about? Now that draft order is in place shouldn't you be able to do it?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 16 2012 21:09 GMT
#587
EBWOP: Read that wrong. It's so they don't get pardoned or something. Carry on. More to come soon.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 17 2012 02:10 GMT
#625
On May 17 2012 10:27 Qatol wrote:
I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player.


Why would you kill one of your own just so the copycat can get the same role? Makes no sense.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 17 2012 14:26 GMT
#664
I did not get janitor

I would say that if scum have a copycat there are prolly more scums in the lower end of the draft. If they were high up they'd rather go for guaranteed power roles like decon did or try to deny town of powers.

Either way I'd reckon the copycat is in the bottom ten of the draft.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 17 2012 14:26 GMT
#665
EBWOP: If there is a copycat at all.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 17 2012 19:05 GMT
#697
Sorry bout that, was in school.

Anyways. I am Vanilla Town and not Janitor. So I'm claiming either risk or marvel is the janitor. And I don't trust risk. Because risk does not like the plan.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 18 2012 01:21 GMT
#766
Sentinel: Why are you not voting risk.nuke?


Sorry for lateness. I was leaning risk but I wanted to make sure it was him and not marv. Since I'm vanilla and it seems like the possibility more and more as time goes on, risk it is.

##Vote: risk.nuke
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 18 2012 19:14 GMT
#923
On May 19 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote:
Palmar, you say that Sentinel claiming VT is very unlikely for mafia, but if he had claimed anything else he would be going against a plan that he had agreed to before day 1 and would very likely be under fire anyways. By claiming VT, if he is janitor, he at least has a chance to survive until the night and hide the flip and whatever information that might contain.

That's how I see it.


How about claiming the fucking Janitor? I wouldn't put two people under fire, I'd just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence. Risk and marv already said neither one chose Janitor, are they going to suddenly claim they have it after I made my claim? That would make them look worse than they do now.

On May 19 2012 02:51 risk.nuke wrote:
My vote is glued on sentinel if he won't come back with an explaination for his thoughts and another very good one for his absense. I've had to many experience with scum succesfully averting their lynches by just disapearing.


Guess who has to leave about four hours before the lynch.

Anyways, I believe marv. Because there is literally no explanation why he would claim mason of all roles as scum. Which makes it risk.nuke's turn to get up on the noose.

Anyways, I think more people should listen to toad. He has an excellent point on why all the votes on me are stupid.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 19 2012 01:17 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 01:06 zelblade wrote:
Also I find the fact that people are using "Sentinel is a VT anyway, if we lose him we lose the least" as a scummy and lousy reason for their vote. Apply actual analysis instead of basing it on the potential loss please.


Well I still disagree with the situation that we have to lynch into one of the three but at least that sentence is worth a fucking medal.
Finally I feel like I'm not the only one realizing what's going on (Palmar and Sandro know what's going on as well but Sandro somehow ended up saying "Sent CAN NOT BE MAFIA, therefore we lynch him" which I don't understand) but sadly you have to show people that they are wrong by lynching the mod-confirmed townie and shove his green head up their way and yell "SEE?!?! SEEE?!?!?!".

Sad thing that's how tl mafia works these days, so let us lynch the townie today and start off d2 anew with everyone realizing how stupid this lynch was. That way people might consider something else.
If people are willing to lynch into someone with the reason "at least he WILL (!) flip VT". not even giving him a good chance to flip mafia, there's really not much to say about this that could change peoples opinion. It's not getting any more obvious, ever, and we'll have to go through with this at this point...

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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 18 2012 20:08 GMT
#925
Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 18 2012 20:19 GMT
#927
On May 19 2012 05:17 Snarfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 05:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned.

Why would you be arguing that you're the janitor?(!) Scumslip?


You're kidding, right? I make a hypothetical argument, you call that a scumslip?


If risk claimed that he was the janitor then it would be assumed that you were both telling the truth and that you were both town aligned. Noone would be arguing anything. You seem to have forgotten that you're claiming to have attempted to get the Janitor role but ended up as VT.


I think you misread my post. I'm addressing the scenario where we both claim Janitor.


I'd like other people besides Sentinel to weigh in since obviously if he's mafia there's no point just the two of us going back and forth.

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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 18 2012 22:04 GMT
#938
I'm off, I'll be back either right before or right after the deadline.

Hope you guys make the right choice and lynch risk. If not, it's been a fun game.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 19 2012 10:11 GMT
#1023
GG
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