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On May 24 2012 02:19 Zephirdd wrote:
Well, I suppose we have enough time. I really want Barundar lynched because I'm sure about him, but after hiro's flip risk could always shoot him, we still have a town RB right?
I don't want a no-lynch and even though we got plenty of time, there is a possibility I won't be around near the end of the day.
Also, if hiro flips medic Barundar is SK Politician, be hiro a mafia or town.
btw if you guys read the game, Politician can't be scum. Or else risk would be dead at this point.
Does this mean that you're switching your vote to hiro?
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Misder, please don't get modkilled now. Hopefully you see this and vote in time.
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On May 24 2012 08:46 Qatol wrote:
Misder, please don't get modkilled now. Hopefully you see this and vote in time.
Never mind, Misder voted. Chaoser, I think you missed it.
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On May 24 2012 12:13 sandroba wrote:
Wow barundar way to play against your wincon and fuck town over while you are at it. Srsly why would you ever do this. I hope you shoot toad tonight as a payback for town, since you are getting lynched either way tomorrow.
No way did he play against his win condition. He survived a lynch he probably wouldn't have otherwise (considering the bandwagon on him at the time). Your accusation is very serious and I think you should be treating it that way. You do realize that we have permabanned people for playing against their win condition before, don't you? Is Barundar's behavior permaban-worthy?
On May 24 2012 13:55 Snarfs wrote:
Interesting...
I'm not sure if shooting Barundar is the play here when we can lynch him tomorrow and possibly let risk get rid of someone he finds suspicious. Either way though, he should definitely be roleblocked.
I'd probably shoot Toad or zephir here to clean up some of the unconfirmable roles who were on the wrong side of the Sentinel lynch. slOosh can check into the opposite one.
I would rather shoot + roleblock Barundar right now so we know what we're aiming for (looking for scum or SK) during tomorrow's lynch. The problem with a shot on someone else now and then a lynch on Barundar is that I believe the candidate list is different for each and I'd like to be sure of which list we should be looking at. I don't want to shoot someone who is only likely a SK candidate and then watch Barundar flip SK or vice versa. Besides, I think the town would benefit from more discussion during the lynch.
I agree that slOosh can check into one of the unconfirmable roles (Toadesstern, Zephirdd, and Sandroba), but I don't think he should tell us which one in advance for fear that the last scum is a Framer.
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On May 24 2012 17:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Barundar is on the SK list himself making it pretty likely that he will indeed just flip SK and not mafia, like we already said. Hiro had a chance to flip mafia and about no chance to flip SK and Barundar had a chance to flip SK but about no chance to flip mafia.
So I'd say we're looking for a mafia and I hope my d1 read about Sandroba was right :3
Don't try to get fancy. Take the confirmed anti-town kill. It doesn't make sense to try and kill anyone other than Barundar tonight.
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I count 13 players. I think you mean 11 townies left?
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On May 25 2012 02:49 slOosh wrote:
Righto, will be RNGing my final check from Toadesstern, Zephirdd, and Sandroba (Qatol's recommended list).
Hopefully it isn't too late to add zelblade to that list? I think hiro protagonist may have had a point about him, and he somehow slipped off my list earlier. Other than his roleclaim during day 1, his posting looks really suspicious. He hasn't attacked any player other than hiro protagonist (who was attacking him) and Barundar (when everyone else was picking on Barundar as well). He's been pretty passive and his posting has been extremely wishy-washy all game.
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EBWOP: Also, I'm not sure if a RNG is the best way to make your pick. I think you should use my list and then use your best judgment on who you think you should check. If you are unsure between a few people, RNG makes a decent fall back option though.
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On May 25 2012 12:16 Snarfs wrote:
Interesting.... Can't wait to hear this explanation. It says in the Q&A that a roleblock will remove SK bulletproof.
I was roleblocked + shot at and saved (in other words Qatol successfully protected me).
Glad I finally blocked a hit.
Also, I agree. I don't understand what happened. Roleblock + vigi hit should have worked. Oh well, I think we still have to lynch Barundar right now. There really isn't another option. We can try to sort out why the vigi shot didn't work out via discussion, but the lynch has to be on Barundar.
##Vote: Barundar
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On May 25 2012 13:17 sandroba wrote:
deconduo mafia CPR Dead day 1 by dayvig mattchew
risk.nuke Claimed Vigilante shot paqman
marvellosity Claimed Mason -> partner is townie who tried for politician
[UoN]Sentinel mafia JOAT Dead lynched day 1
Mattchew Dayvig shot deconduo
zelblade Claimed VT tried for JOAT
Bluelightz Dead rolecop
talismania Dead shot night1 Witch
Misder Roleblocker
PaqMan mafia vanilla shot by risk n1 (or lynched day2 =P)
slOosh dead parity cop
Toadesstern Claimed VT tried for mason
Barundar most likely sk soon to be dead
Zephirdd Claimed VT tried for politician
hiro protagonist doctor
Palmar Claimed Pardoner
Snarfs VT tried for politician
Qatol Jailer -> Jailed risk n1 modconfirmed
sandroba VT tried for mason
Probulous VT modkilled day1
Okay so basically this is what we have right now. Out of the guys not in green misder is the most likely to be town in my opinion. Palmar can prove he is town and not GF by pardoning himself. That leaves Toad and Zeph. We will have most likely 10(1) at the next day.
Let's count the palmar lynch and if he is not scum he doesn't die so > 9(1). Considering only 3 people can really be mafia it's pretty much gg. Not considering risk shooting into those guys if somehow he forgot to send in his shot or something.
I wouldn't color zelblade green just yet. However, he can't be traitor, he would have to be the final mafia member if he's scum. Also, Palmar can't pardon himself.
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This will probably be my only post for the day, but I should be around a little tomorrow:
On May 25 2012 16:55 sandroba wrote:
@Qatol Do you think it's possible zelblade outed the scum on top for no reason, by claiming that shit way early? Why would he do that as mafia?
Because when he did that, the hammer vote had already been cast. He hinted that he tried for a role which lined up with something higher up earlier than when he claimed his missed role, but he didn't say the role he missed on was JOAT until 30 minutes before voting closed, when there were already 10 votes on Sentinel. He still kept his vote on risk.nuke even though the only way Sentinel could be town was if both risk.nuke and marvellosity were lying about their role selections.
On May 25 2012 21:06 Toadesstern wrote:Ok, there are 3 possible Roleblockers in the game: 1)]Roleblocker: That's what misder claims to be, right? 2)Jailkeeper : That's Qatol right? 3)Traitor: that guy has a one-time roleblock I'm saying "right?" because I'm really in a hurry right now. I need to go but this eather means Misder is lying or that we have a Traitor. I'd usually say misder claiming RB and roleblocking risk would be to stupid for mafia to make but after I saw sent flip and we're about to see barundar flip I'm not going to use that argument anymore  Anyways I think a traitor is more likely although I don't know why. Sandroba still looks like a nice target for me considering his uselessness this game and how he made no sense the first couple of day and was playing against EVERYTHING he told me he likes to do as a townie in skype when he hydrad in C9++. That being said we obviously lynch Barundar first but may as well start looking for 1 or 2 mafias around and I'm off for the next couple of hours, as mentioned. ##vote Barundar
There are actually 4 possible explanations for what happened:
1. There is a traitor in the game and the traitor roleblocked risk.nuke (Traitor would have to be one of Sandroba, Toadesstern, Zephirdd, Barundar, and Palmar).
2. risk.nuke is lying about being roleblocked and he did not actually try to shoot Barundar.
3. Misder is lying about trying to roleblock Barundar and he roleblocked risk.nuke instead.
4. I jailed risk.nuke (obviously wrong because both Snarfs and I have verified that I saved Snarfs last night).
What alignment does a traitor who was originally townie show up as to an alignment check?
Pending the answer to that, we may be able to eliminate Palmar (remember, SlOosh checked him and claimed that Palmar was the same alignment as talismania) from #1. Sandroba is also unlikely as a traitor because he claimed he missed on Mason extremely early - well before anyone else claimed they had taken Mason. If Barundar is traitor, then the SK has to be either Zephirdd or Toadesstern. The final mafia would have to be Zephirdd, Toadesstern, Palmar (would have to be Godfather), or zelblade unless mafia bussed their teammate on day 1, sacrificing a KP to do so.
I'm really hoping that #2 or #3 isn't what happened because there's no way to know which one happened without killing risk.nuke and Misder.
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On May 25 2012 22:36 zelblade wrote:
I doubt misder is lying since roleblocking palmar and hiro (as scum) makes little sense. Whilst it is possible that he did it in order to prepare for a claim situation later on, I am more inclined to think that hes town for now. Its not possible for barundar to be traitor, because in that case Misder would have roleblocked his roleblock on risk. (I think) Not really sure how the night actions resolve but this would seem to be the most logical...?
That probably means that we have a traitor somewhere in the list. Well he cant do much at this point considering how a rolecop is absolutely useless except for lucking out into a fakeclaiming mafia, talk gets him lynched instantly unless he lucks out into a mafia again. The only problem is that he might have used his frame ability on Palmar or Tails n1/2, which would be problematic. Unlikely since that would require quite a lot of luck, but something to consider.
The possible candidates for mafia/traitor are Misder, Toad, Zeph and Sandroba. Include myself if you so incline but I know im green so ill exclude me, and Palmar if you feel that its possible he got framed. Leaving him out for now as it is, as said, really unlikely.
I shall be reading through the thread to come to some conclusions.
@Matt I dont think traitors have to be dead for town to win.
I didn't think of a frame on Palmar or talismania. I think you're right though - it's possible, but extremely unlikely. But that could mean that SlOosh's check of Palmar was tampered with.
You are correct that Barundar can't be traitor because the roleblocks wouldn't line up. That situation in my earlier post is incorrect. The only way Barundar is traitor is if Misder is also mafia, which I think is unlikely.
You aren't a candidate for traitor, only for mafia. As traitor, you would have no way of knowing that the mafia had picked JOAT.
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On May 26 2012 22:01 chaoser wrote:
Do you guys need me to post an updated list of links to the other day/night posts?
I think we're okay. We can just find your filter for now and GMarshal can update whenever he's feeling better.
Does the traitor take over the night kill if the entire mafia team is dead? Or is it possible that nobody has a night kill?
Guys, calm down and be a little nicer. Remember, we're all friends here.
Zephirdd, the only thing I can think of for why I'm still alive is because I was the medic target the first 2 nights (and mafia/SK saw this), and last night mafia thought that a parity cop would do more damage than I would. Who knows what SK thought (maybe that Snarfs was doing a good job of organizing the town and was thus a higher priority? maybe that slOosh was a potential mafia so the mafia might hit me?).
As far as lynch prospects go, and assuming Barundar is SK, there are a few things I think we need to resolve.
1. Is there a traitor?
If there is one, let's look at the players who could possibly have the role:
Toadesstern, Palmar, sandroba, and Zephirdd.
Toadesstern claimed his mason role only after sandroba and marvellosity claimed.
Palmar has an unverifiable role unless we ask him to pardon someone (if he doesn't simply get modkilled).
I'm unsure about sandroba. On the one hand, he claimed whiffing on mason very early. On the other hand, he was last in the draft order, so a whiff claim is much safer than it is at any other position. And he hasn't contributed much to the discussion until recently.
Zephirdd claimed he whiffed on a role which someone else had already claimed a whiff on. It's unverifiable without a lynch. He took a hit, but that's irrelevant if he's traitor.
If this is the case, the player I like the most as mafia is Zephirdd. He's the only player who really hasn't attempted to contribute much to the discussion while still being on the risk.nuke voting list. In fact, he could have even attempted to grab Politician as scum, so his claim of getting vanilla doesn't have to be unbelievable.
2. If there isn't a traitor, then either risk.nuke or Misder is mafia.
risk.nuke shot PaqMan when many expected a shot on Palmar instead. I think this rules him out.
Misder wasn't on the Sentinel voting list, so I don't like him either, but if there isn't a traitor, then I think he's probably our best bet between these two.
TL;DR: I think we should be looking at either Misder or Zephirdd as our last mafia. If the mafia member isn't Misder, then we have a traitor to hunt for as well.
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Tough luck, Barundar. You really didn't have much of a chance this game other than the gamble you tried for in Day 3.
Anyways, with him flipping SK, we know for sure that we are looking for a mafia (Misder) or a mafia and a traitor (if Misder is not mafia). I think the latter case is more likely.
We have 10 townies and 1 mafia or 9 townies, 1 mafia, and 1 traitor left. This means we have 2 mislynches and 1 missed vigi hit (assuming the mafia doesn't hit the traitor) to burn. This is obviously changed if we kill the mafia sooner. risk.nuke, please tell us who you will be shooting tonight. I recommend Zephirdd, however, I'd like to hear Snarfs's opinion on Misder.
Who wins if we have 1 townie and 1 traitor remaining? Is it a draw?
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On May 28 2012 08:27 risk.nuke wrote:
I find it massivly unlikely impossible that Misder would roleblock me to protect the SK.
It is unlikely. That being said, I'm trying to make sure that nothing can surprise us at this point. And it definitely is in the mafia's best interest to roleblock you to protect the SK.
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Good luck, Town! Take it home!
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On June 07 2012 12:24 Mattchew wrote:
this game (at no fault of the mods more the fault of qatol) was retarded
chaoser I thought your modding was perfect. Thanks so much!
??? What did I do?
Thanks for modding in such a tough situation, chaoser. PYP games are especially hard to mod and I thought you handled it well, all things considered.
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On June 07 2012 12:59 Zephirdd wrote:
oh and happy bday qatol
Thanks!
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On June 07 2012 18:08 Palmar wrote:
I guess I owe you guys an explanation.
I did not ragequit this game or anything like that like I saw suggested. Sure, I was wrong on one guy at the start, but my ego can handle that easily. I'm cocky enough to still think I'm awesome.
The problem was that the night before I announced I'd be asking for a replacement my gf had a miscarriage after 11wks of pregnancy, which is fairly late. It's not the end of the world, but I just had other things to do than play mafia. Obviously a thing like this is much harder for the girl than the guy, so I had to be there for her, and not spend hours reading and analyzing forum posts.
It's all good now, I even sent GM a message saying I could in theory rejoin the game the day before I got modkilled. But that probably wouldn't have been fair anyway, so with no one being able to replace in, I got modkilled.
So yeah, sorry about disappearing, but shit happens.
I'm so sorry. I hope both of you are okay. I completely understand you asking to be replaced. Don't worry about it. That very clearly takes priority. I hope both of you are able to move past it. I wish both of you the best.
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On June 08 2012 00:56 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 12:57 Qatol wrote:On June 07 2012 12:24 Mattchew wrote:
this game (at no fault of the mods more the fault of qatol) was retarded
chaoser I thought your modding was perfect. Thanks so much! ??? What did I do? Thanks for modding in such a tough situation, chaoser. PYP games are especially hard to mod and I thought you handled it well, all things considered. You found all the scum lol 
I didn't find deconduo! I actually had him pegged as Serial Killer when you shot him, not mafia. And hiro protagonist is the one who found zelblade, not me. Also, Sentinel kinda gave himself away. I didn't really have that much to do with it. risk.nuke worked through the logic much faster than I did.
That being said, I apologize to the town. I didn't play as well as I wanted to play this game, specifically starting during day 1 and for the rest of the game after that. I promise I'll be better next time.
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