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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 17 2012 19:34 GMT
#712
On May 18 2012 04:29 Zephirdd wrote:
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On May 18 2012 04:27 Snarfs wrote:
Slow down, either risk.nuke is lying, or [UoN]Sentinel is lying, and right now I'm leaning towards Sentinel.

This is great though as right now we have a confirmed scum in one of the two

Why cant marv be lying?

marv seems to be the most honest of the three so I've put him at the end of the list.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 17 2012 19:42 GMT
#716
If the janitor uses his role and dies the same night, are roles revealed or concealed?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 17 2012 19:47 GMT
#719
On May 18 2012 04:45 Qatol wrote:
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On May 18 2012 03:59 Snarfs wrote:
On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote:
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

Not much to analyze in my vote.

Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia).

Why would town do this?

What exactly did he say he would do which he didn't do? He said he would take Janitor. He tried to take Janitor. He claims he got vanilla instead. What about that is anti-town? Calm down a little and think this through, please. I'm not necessarily saying he isn't the best lynch target of the 3 (him, risk.nuke, and marvellosity), but I am saying that your logic for voting him isn't sound. This is why you need to do an analysis. And I still think PaqMan is a stronger target (sorry my post is taking so long - I'm at 6 pages in word and counting). All I'm doing is trying to get everyone to calm down and have an open mind about lynch targets.

I clearly posted that with the assumption that risk.nuke was telling the truth. Now that there is new information, I am open to either a risk.nuke lynch or a Sentinel lynch.

However, I still believe that the wording in Sentinel's posts seemed deceptive; whereas, risk.nuke has been completely clear and straightforward in his decision making.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 01:51 GMT
#771
One of risk.nuke, marv, and Sentinel is lying in a manner that is hurting town.

This means that one of them is scum. That is a 1/3 chance, much better than any hunches you might have on PaqMan or sandroba or whoever else.

To address some points:

risk.nuke has voted Sentinel and Sentinel has voted risk.nuke; therefore, it is very unlikely that one of them is lying to draw fire from scum if they have actually chosen Janitor.

Sentinel has claimed vanilla town; therefore, is probably the safest lynch of the three if we want to avoid accidentally lynching a blue.

@Toad: We are not lynching blind into 3 targets. Read the thread. Read their filters. Make an educated decision. Don't lynch blind.


My scum rank for the three are:
1. Sentinel
2. risk.nuke
3. marvellosity

Any discussion of targets other than these 3 will only help cause confusion amongst the town and WILL ONLY BENEFIT SCUM. Qatol, I do understand the conviction to lynch a scum you think you've got pegged, but other people (myself included) just don't see the case as that strong. Here we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum. Those are great odds. Help us out with some analysis of these 3 people rather than tunneling on PaqMan.

To conclude: People should talk about Sentinel, risk.nuke and marvellosity because there is a 1/3 random chance that one of them is scum. Talking about other targets will only help mafia because it spreads confusion among a town which must be focused to win the game.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 16:58 GMT
#875
On May 19 2012 01:54 zelblade wrote:
If I am not wrong the lynch is in about 10 hours?

Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role?

Is anyone actually doing this?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 17:05 GMT
#881
Palmar, you say that Sentinel claiming VT is very unlikely for mafia, but if he had claimed anything else he would be going against a plan that he had agreed to before day 1 and would very likely be under fire anyways. By claiming VT, if he is janitor, he at least has a chance to survive until the night and hide the flip and whatever information that might contain.

That's how I see it.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 17:06 GMT
#882
Toad, you keep tossing around "modconfirmed townie" in Sentinel's direction. What do you know that we don't?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 17:17 GMT
#889
On May 19 2012 02:10 Palmar wrote:
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On May 19 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote:
Palmar, you say that Sentinel claiming VT is very unlikely for mafia, but if he had claimed anything else he would be going against a plan that he had agreed to before day 1 and would very likely be under fire anyways. By claiming VT, if he is janitor, he at least has a chance to survive until the night and hide the flip and whatever information that might contain.

That's how I see it.


You forget that sentinal did not have to claim at all.

And if we lynch townie today, we're killing the other two anyway, so whatever.

I don't think we would have forgotten about him if he just didn't claim. I agree with risk that it seems like he rushed into this without thinking everything through fully.

Either way, everyone needs to be voting between Sentinel and risk.nuke at this point to ensure we have a lynch.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 17:33 GMT
#898
On May 19 2012 02:19 Toadesstern wrote:
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On May 19 2012 02:17 Snarfs wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:10 Palmar wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote:
Palmar, you say that Sentinel claiming VT is very unlikely for mafia, but if he had claimed anything else he would be going against a plan that he had agreed to before day 1 and would very likely be under fire anyways. By claiming VT, if he is janitor, he at least has a chance to survive until the night and hide the flip and whatever information that might contain.

That's how I see it.


You forget that sentinal did not have to claim at all.

And if we lynch townie today, we're killing the other two anyway, so whatever.

I don't think we would have forgotten about him if he just didn't claim. I agree with risk that it seems like he rushed into this without thinking everything through fully.

Either way, everyone needs to be voting between Sentinel and risk.nuke at this point to ensure we have a lynch.


So you think that after seeing 2 out of 3 people not doing what they were supposed to do according to our plan and the third flipping mafia he would be crazy panicing as mafia and "shitshitshit, they will lynch me if I tell them I didn't do what I was supposed to do"?

Just a straight yes or no. Want to know if I need to talk you in the future.

My answer is whichever will prevent you from talking to me in the future (of this game). Nothing personal, but I think you talking less in general would be beneficial for town. If you can't be clear enough with your posting that you have to bust out multiple posts every day whining about how someone said the same thing that you did, except in a way that made sense, maybe you should put some more time into your posts.

I don't want to drag the discussion away from scum-hunting though, so please don't reply to this.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 20:01 GMT
#924
On May 19 2012 04:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
How about claiming the fucking Janitor? I wouldn't put two people under fire, I'd just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence. Risk and marv already said neither one chose Janitor, are they going to suddenly claim they have it after I made my claim? That would make them look worse than they do now.

You claimed before risk.nuke did. And you did it in such a way that it left you open to either claiming not to have tried to get Janitor or to have tried and failed to get Janitor.

Why would risk.nuke come in and see that both you and marv have claimed not to have gotten Janitor, then claim not to be the Janitor if he was scum? The only way that makes sense is if he is really scum and did not choose Janitor - a scenario which doesn't work based on yours and marv's claims.

Your defense defends him more than yourself because of the order of claims. If he chose Janitor, he could "just sweep it under the rug and still play a VT game without consequence."



Time stamps:

On May 17 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote:
I am not Janitor


On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor


On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not the janitor.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 20:17 GMT
#926
On May 19 2012 05:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Except that I would argue that I'm the janitor, Risk could say "No I'm the janitor" and we'd be having the exact same conversation right now. Except my side would be more believable because Risk was being arrogant and suggested he was not going to be the janitor even before roles were assigned.

Why would you be arguing that you're the janitor?(!) Scumslip?

If risk claimed that he was the janitor then it would be assumed that you were both telling the truth and that you were both town aligned. Noone would be arguing anything. You seem to have forgotten that you're claiming to have attempted to get the Janitor role but ended up as VT.

I'd like other people besides Sentinel to weigh in since obviously if he's mafia there's no point just the two of us going back and forth.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 18 2012 22:30 GMT
#942
As slOosh said, there's probably a politician and if they're scum the best move they could make would be to cause a no-lynch in this situation, so please make sure we have at least 11 on whoever we're going to lynch.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 19 2012 04:27 GMT
#994
Looks like we had enough to lynch Sentinel whenever GM gets around to posting the night post.

If Palmar pardoned Sentinel (which I don't think he did because he's intelligent), someone should probably shoot him for prolonging the debate).

If Sentinel flips town, we shoot/lynch risk.nuke tonight and tomorrow.

If Sentinel flips mafia, obviously risk.nuke has to shoot tonight so we should still discuss mafia targets throughout the night.

Just waiting on the flip now.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 19 2012 04:39 GMT
#998
Sorry, I just figured risk would be a very high priority target for mafia being both a vigilante and very likely town so in order to use his power role he would have to use it tonight. The other option is for him to not use it and risk dying, but risk.nuke doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would want to get killed by mafia without using his KP .

Honestly, risk is probably going to shoot tonight. He's that kind of guy. We should do our best to give him the best target, while at the same time, if we can't find a reasonable one, encourage him not to shoot
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 19 2012 04:40 GMT
#999
Although, in saying that, I realize zelblade is also a very high priority target for mafia >.>. Either way, the point is not to avoid discussing mafia targets during the night phase. That is all.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 19 2012 05:01 GMT
#1005
Okay, there's the mafia flip (thanks chaoser, but maybe put it in Blue text )

And Qatol: I'd forgotten about the Jailkeeper. I think jailing risk.nuke is a great idea to both prevent him from shooting and keep him safe.

At talis: Again, I'm not thinking clearly here. Of course zelblade is now just a confirmed VT (assuming that the revealed role is JOAT) and is a lower priority. I blame the beers.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 19 2012 05:05 GMT
#1008
<3 chaoser
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 19 2012 05:20 GMT
#1011
Good job guys. Unfortunately, I'm going away on a hike tomorrow so will be gone most of the day and will probably miss almost all of the night phase, but I highly encourage everyone to discuss scum reads so that I have a lot to sift through when I get back in a little less than 24 hours!
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 20 2012 02:38 GMT
#1064
So there were only 10 votes on Sentinel with 10 to lynch? This means that mafia probably doesn't have a politician, correct?
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 20 2012 04:17 GMT
#1067
On May 20 2012 13:15 Mattchew wrote:
When is deadline

3 hours ago, I believe.
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