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Hi guys.
I'm in this game too.
Is this a haiku?
No. So I see two things happening. Palmar came up with a bow before me ye mortals and expects it to work. Syllogism his first leutenant and Radfield his skippy monkey friend are trying to help.
Then we have Motbob (Meapak), Chaoser, BC and a few others shouting their disdain for this plan.
I think Palmar's plan is the way to go in ROUND 1. It gives us some information and I think everyone here is smart enough to stop listening to Palmar when he acts retarded. Notice I said when, not if, cuz I mean its Palmar. (<3) I'll vote Yes forya bud!
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On May 01 2012 01:37 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 14:32 Foolishness wrote:
We want as few people as possible in the majority. It needs to be as close to even as possible. If we have 10 or 11 people in the majority we can control the lynch. This is because we have more votes than there are people up for lynch. This is solid. We also have to agree on someone having the last word in round A, otherwise we can't implement what foolishness said. I'll support palmar if he agrees on pardoning max number of players. The theory behind this is the least players that are up to being lynched, the least influential mafia votes are on keeping mafia alive. If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched.
I don't like how this was said. Your end statement is that "If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched." however you are trying to get the maximum people in the majority. I liked the idealistic ideas behind the first part, but I think even if we were all lynchable like a normal game its still very possible to get whoever the majority thinks is scum, lynched.
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On May 01 2012 01:51 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 01:41 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On May 01 2012 01:37 sandroba wrote:On April 30 2012 14:32 Foolishness wrote:
We want as few people as possible in the majority. It needs to be as close to even as possible. If we have 10 or 11 people in the majority we can control the lynch. This is because we have more votes than there are people up for lynch. This is solid. We also have to agree on someone having the last word in round A, otherwise we can't implement what foolishness said. I'll support palmar if he agrees on pardoning max number of players. The theory behind this is the least players that are up to being lynched, the least influential mafia votes are on keeping mafia alive. If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched. I don't like how this was said. Your end statement is that "If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched." however you are trying to get the maximum people in the majority. I liked the idealistic ideas behind the first part, but I think even if we were all lynchable like a normal game its still very possible to get whoever the majority thinks is scum, lynched. huh? It's max people in minority. The voting system in this is different, if you take some time to think about it you will realise why having the whole pool to lynch from results in more townies lynched on average.
Whole pool --> 12 town, 6 mafia.
33% chance of lynching mafia.
Split into majority / Minority in a perfect situation
8 Minority -- 10 Majority.
If mafia splits up their votes it will be a 3/10 situation and this means there is less chance of lynching mafia here.
Now imagine a less perfect situation of something like 6 Minority 12 Majority
3/12 will be even less of a chance. So on average I disagree with you.
That is why I've agreed to the Palmar Plan.
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I realize mafia may not be able to get a perfect 3/3 split into yes and no because they are two separate team. Anyway... Team Palmar. Join us and you too can die to night kills first round!
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On May 01 2012 02:06 sandroba wrote:
That's not how it works. 18 people up for lynch, very few votes are needed to keep you alive. 10 people up for lynch, more votes are needed to keep you alive, mafia is not as influential on preventing the lynch on them.
You realize palmar plan will try to get as close to this as possible? The ideal scenario is finding 8 townies and making the lynch pool 6 mafia 4 town. We should trive to reach that ideal.
My main point was this :
I don't like how this was said. Your end statement is that "If everybody is up for lynch it is pretty impossible to get whoever we deem scum lynched."
Anyway, yes obviously that is our ideal. I just disliked how this was said. Because even if 18 people were up for lynch, its possible to control votes as well with a different plan. Semantics I guess.
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We can force someone into the minority by tricking them. Say for instance we all agreed to Palmar's plan. And we all just type that we agree to it in this forums and he PM's us all private to change to NO. We then screw over that one guy. So while we can't if this person is smart, there are ways we can trick him! =)
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On May 01 2012 06:10 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 05:57 syllogism wrote:
Sometimes all it takes is one post to get a solid town read on someone, you should read some guides Ace can't tell if being sarcastic or...
Sarcastic.
Also i'm still on board with the Palmar train. YES to victory! 
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Sandroba, why do you think I'm mafia? oo
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I think Palmar / Syllogism / Radfield should just play a hydra named Palmogisfield simply because that is an awesome name.
If you agree send in "YES" to Protactinium.
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Its day 1, I'm comfortably ignoring all of that cephiro / gonzaw have typed so far.
If someone could make a TL:DR ?
Or is it just : I THIKN YOUR MAFIA
NO I THINK U R
forever el fin ?
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As of now I'm going to give 1 to Cephiro, 1 to Viscera eyes, 1 to Radfield and 2 I haven't decided yet. Wiggles is looking good with Meapak probably. Anyway just going to be open about where I'm voting and who I feel I want to stick around.
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Ok, I'll check it out 2morro. And if thats the plan I'll go with it. Probably will put my 4 on Cephiro =)
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On May 02 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of reentry into the game for some, so assuming Sand is scum and you guys kill us both, if it's a town-related power, you should bring me back.
I have reads, but I'm holding them hostage until after I flip. Bring me back, and we'll kill all the scums.
They're gooooooooood too.
I can't tell if you just aren't caring if you die or if you're just confident you'll get enough votes to live. This isn't the VE that is quiet conserved and waiting to hear others out before judging. As nice as it was for you to say I'd get a vote I'm quite worried about you personally.
I'm happy with having the situation be give 4 votes to someone and 1 to someone else. I think its a cool idea especially because we'll see the people who just won't follow it at all. And we'll see those who are just following lemming like. Anyway as of now I'm going to give my 4 to Cephiro and 1 to Meapak because I don't know if others will vote for him and I have liked him so far. Cephiro gets my 4 based on my meta reads of him. I'm not completely sure hes town, but he seems it to me from posts here and in PM land. I geuss its obvious no1 is completely sure of anything yet ^^
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This is tough to figure out. I'm happy with VE dying honestly. I think his play is just much different then when hes town. There's not much more to say on that issue.
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Heyo guys, I have some tournament games today then some RL things to deal with. I've read over a bit but not too much.
Syllogism thinks I'm scum as a side point. I'm not I've been trying to read through and see how everyone is playing different or anti-town.
Palmar you said the point of this game is to find townies. I can agree, but the reason you usually look for mafia is because its easy for anyone to fake being "like" a townie. The symptoms for being mafia are quite different. Someone can look "like a townie" and still have mafia symptoms. So for me I'm looking for those symptoms. Try and find those who aren't actively trying to help out.
Anyway be back online tonight with some ideas.
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Heyo,
So I figured I'll reveal what I told syllo in Pm's a bit ago. Whenever I was mafia with Gonzaw in a newbie game a while back he was just always raging and mad and just very angry. I think Gonzaw started off with that sort of thing with his oppinions against Cephiro. So that was why I thought there was a chance hes mafia.
I haven't been reading too too closely, but the fact that Cephiro put 4 votes on VE makes him look a small percentage better. Cephiro is still probably one of my top candidates for being town. As for being mafia I'm really unsure other then Gonzaw. Syllo scares me, and I scare him so I suppose there could be something there.
I sent in my vote for YES again. Just because I don't know when I'll be able to check everything again.
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Also so any questions for me? Geuss I have some time now. Going to go look through everything at the moment. Sorry I haven't been as involved. I feel kind of defeatist as if I'm already dying in this game. I don't know why. Anyway please someone ask questions.
Or anyone around have anything cool to say? Chaoser how is your catching up going?
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I'd like that Cephiro! Don't forget to PM me now and again! : )
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I'd imagine Syllo twisted my words. Me and syllo are like deathly enemies I think. I'm the good guy though.
Anyway I told syllo that in my newbie game with you and cephiro you played very agressive and just ANGRY AT THE WORLD when you were mafia at the end. And I thought your cases against Cephiro this game felt very similiarly just ANGRY AT EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING. Said I wanted to keep watching and see whats happening. You've sense chilled out a bit, but anyway thats what hpned with syllo.
As for other reads I don't have anything amazing. I kind of posted what I had like 3 posts ago :[
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I liked him a lot early on, and I'm still ok with him. I wanted him to be more active in PM'ing me back, but I'll take what I can get. I'm about 50/50 on him right now. I imagine with more time I'll get to know a lot better. I haven't had a ton of time to just sit and analyze his posts either.
I do imagine if hes mafia I wont' live too much longer anyway. So just my thoughts at the moment 
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I'm giving all 5 votes to cephiro.
G'nite all!
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On May 05 2012 01:13 syllogism wrote:
We have basis for calling him town, we just haven't explained it in public and aren't particularly interested in convincing mafia. The only "people" who seriously "suspect" us are mafia.
I don't suspect the both of you. I only suspect you syllo 
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Here are my reads :
BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it.
Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia.
Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town.
Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more.
Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you.
Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads?
WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living.
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On May 05 2012 03:05 syllogism wrote:Sheth you forgot to comment on cephiro, the guy who you allegedly gave 5 votes. Any thoughts on his defence of BC? Show nested quote +BC has played very openly and been honest about his opinions. Although his town play is not perfect, I could say the same about several others in this game. Add that on top of the PMs and reactions from certain people opposing him, I have absolutely no reason to believe he is scum.
I didn't forget anything. I commented on Foolishness' list.
I haven't really read through BC that well, he hasn't been a focus of mine this game. Let me filter him and I'll get back to you shortly.
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Ok after reading through BC's filter I like him. He has strong reads on Katina (whose I have a life defense I thought kind of lame). And I haven't looked at prplhz, but he has a read on him as well.
I actually appreciate him not trusting Palmagism. As I'm somewhat in that same vote except I only distrust the gism part. So I don't mind Cephiro defending BC because earlier BC defended Cephiro. I'm still at around 50/50 for Cephiro btw.
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On May 05 2012 03:15 syllogism wrote:
Oh you are just a mafia trolling at this point, yawn
No, I'm not.
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Its been one complete cycle and a third. Pretty amazing that just from an inactive day by me you have such a good read on me.
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I'm doing something similar with syllo. His Aggressiveness might be simply how he thinks town will best succeed in this set-up.
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On May 05 2012 05:30 gonzaw wrote:About BC:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 01 2012 21:10 Palmar wrote:
I want to kill VE On May 02 2012 07:40 Katina wrote:On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.
That being said, my scumreads are:
Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee
Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.
I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer. O.o I like this. If I had a dime for a everytime someone called me scum without reasoning I would have enough hookers to serve the entire mafia community. Rawr. After going back and rereading, I think that Radfield, VE, Sandroba, EcholenTee should die in the Majority. I have explained Rafield and EcholenTee in one of my previous posts. VE and Sandroba should die for not helping the town. By the way Palmar is Mafia. On May 01 2012 15:03 Foolishness wrote:
First we should focus on who we want to kill. Personally I'm fine with VE or sandroba at this point (going to hold off on chaoser for now) and I could be convinced for Radfield as well.
I realize this will be difficult but we need some sort of collective agreement on who to kill. As long as the majority (no pun intended) of us agree on a lynch target then it will be easy to ensure they are killed.
For example, say we want to kill sandroba. That leaves 9 people we want to save. We have a total of 90 votes to work with. We vote in such a way to get each 9 players to have 10 votes. This will be done via spreading out (each player will vote for 5 separate people instead of piling all 5 votes on one person). Thus if anyone (dumb townie or mafia) tries to save him they will be unable to get enough votes to do so. And obviously if someone tries to deviate in such a manner we shoot them somehow. On May 02 2012 06:13 gonzaw wrote:
About VE:
I was leaning town on him at first, because he was very aggressive, and at first he was actively trying to find some scum on wbg (although in a retarded fashion).
However, since then he's just trolling, being disruptive, acting defeated even though not many people actually FoSed him or anything.
Is this a trend or something? It's been 3 games in a row were people FoS VE and he starts acting like a crybaby and rage quitting.
I'm comparing this to LIII, where he had quite a few votes on him when he ragequitted, and quite a lot of opposition. And there he at least contributed with his reads as well, and also claimed.
But now he had hardly any pressure at all when he started acting like this, and didn't contribute at all afterwards. I could see his motivation for ragequitting on LIII, but now I don't see any motivation for him to do so, specially when there isn't a normal lynch system in this game.
That makes me think he's most likely mafia
. You are right syllo, both you and bugs never actively said that you wanted ve or ace dead. I do have bugs saying he believed VE was scum in pms though. As such I do have palmar, katina, foolishness, bugs and gonza all fine with VE, and confrontation between ace and many of you via his filter. So i have 5 of 6 people fine with killing a townie, and another large group at confrontation with one who died who was being aggresive towards what you guys were doing. Ehmm, wtf are you arguing about? You wanted VE dead too, here: Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On May 02 2012 10:50 gonzaw wrote:
I don't get why no one of you would even try to cooperate.
At this rate the lynch could be on any of chaoser, VE or Sheth, and scum can choose whoever they like of them to save or kill, specially considering some players seem that they won't claim what they will exactly vote..
@Cephiro: Okay, so you are tunneling wbg now and being greatly aggressive against him too just for calling you out (effectively another OMGUS)
Noted.
The thing I don't get is why the hell Ace is playing like he's playing. I know people fear him and shit when he's scum because he's cunning, sways people, etc...but unless I'm missing something in PM land he's just completely useless this game. I even doubt he's scum because of that, but fuck he's being so uncooperative and useless it's hard to believe that. Why would anyone fear ace? He is by far one of the easiest people to deal with in the game. If you think hes useless lynch / shoot him. If you think hes helpful, dont lynch or shoot him and instead med him. As for pm land, it is doubtful he is highly active there as he is renowned for saying how much he hates pm's. As for general way thread is going at the moment. If VE honestly dropped a ton of votes on sandro he has to go. As much as I believe acting individually during phase A is ideal to avoid mafia manipulating the majority/minority system to always be safe, phase B is more important in regards to making sure the scummiest player or if we all agree, players are lynched. Anyone who blatantly refuses to go along with a decision that everyone was basically in agreement of (or at least if they weren't no solid defense was ever provided of sandro) then that person has to be dealt with somehow to avoid continued purposeful sabotage of the voting period. Sandro has yet to come in and provide a reasonable defense of himself. I say this as he made his comment on what he had been up to, but had not at any point then followed it up with any form of solid town sandro play to assure us our worries were unfounded. Has anyone new information on this? VE, why have you gone so suddenly appearing so damn crazy -_-. Yet you are just rambling against syllo/Palmar/wbg/me/etc about "wanting to kill a townie"? Hypocrite much? BC, yes you've made some "analysis", but to be honest it's not very convincing, and it's buried in 1000 posts about you bitching against everybody. Just taking a look at your filter, every post of yours is a GIGANTIC WALL OF TEXT THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. For example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=44#866What does this say? Almost nothing. You just complain against Katina/syllo and keep complaining about people "sheeping", and saying that you are against "scumhunters that don't scumhunt publicly". Everything else is clutter that only serves to disrupt. Also, I see you say you make "analysis" and the like, but you still ignore important matters of the discussion. For instance, I don't think I've seen your actual thoughts on Cephiro yet, or at all this game. You said he was "annoyed at being prodded", nothing else. Instead of arguing, making gigantic walls of text filled with clutter, why don't you actually push those reads of yours? Why don't you stop disrupting the thread and post concise analysis, reasonings, etc?
About Sheth:Okay so you say you are not sure about Cephiro, that you will reread his posts to make up your mind and that you are 50/50 on him, yet as soon as Round B starts you say you'll give all your votes to him. What's worst, you never MENTION THAT AGAIN. Wtf? You've made the scummiest move in all game and you just shrug it off? Even after you make a list of reads (that don't include Cephiro), and people ask you for your thoughts on Cephiro you just say "I didn't forget anything. I commented on Foolishness' list.", and you never mention again. However you mention once again then: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:14 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Ok after reading through BC's filter I like him. He has strong reads on Katina (whose I have a life defense I thought kind of lame). And I haven't looked at prplhz, but he has a read on him as well.
I actually appreciate him not trusting Palmagism. As I'm somewhat in that same vote except I only distrust the gism part. So I don't mind Cephiro defending BC because earlier BC defended Cephiro. I'm still at around 50/50 for Cephiro btw. What? You now still think Cephiro is "50/50"? Bullshit. You've been defending him all game, calling him town, and now you give your 5 votes to him. There's no way you think he's "50/50". Even worse, you don't put any reasoning behind your read at all. And again YOU DON'T JUSTIFY YOU GIVING YOUR 5 VOTES TO HIM. Speaking of that list of "reads" of yours: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:03 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Here are my reads :
BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it.
Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia.
Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town.
Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more.
Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you.
Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads?
WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living. You are "unsure" of everybody. You are wishy washy as hell. You don't state any reasoning behind anybody. You say things like "I like wbg so far".....???? Syllo and me are 60% scum in your opinion, but you don't say anything, you even imply that you think we are null or something. Apparently you think syllo and me are scum, yet you actually treat us as null reads. You never push us, you never make any analysis on us, nothing. You just skate by the game and act all "good boy" and shit. This is Day 2 and you act like it was 1 hour in Day 1. You don't read anybody's filter, you say "I haven't read him yet" every time and yet you fail to do so. You base some of your reads on things that happened like 2 days ago (you think I'm scum because I was "aggressive" against Cephiro like 3 days ago, yet you mention nothing else at all). Yes, you are scum Sheth. You appear to be absolutely ignorant of everything that's happening in the thread (which is bullshit), and you don't even care about it. Even worse you act like it's nothing and do whatever you want.
To chaoser:I see you haven't answered my new PM yet. Doesn't matter, answer me here then. Why do you think ET is scum? What do you think of Cephiro?
I care about whats going on. It was just a tough day1 with me having little time. Today I'm starting to get more ideas and reads. I'm also not acting or scum.
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Yea.. well done Syllo / Palmar in finding BC!
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On May 05 2012 18:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sheth, two questions:
what was the purpose of saying in thread you were giving votes to Cephiro/what did you get out of it?
Why did you choose to tell Meapak that you were lying and not anyone else?
The point of saying that I was giving my votes to Cephiro was primarily to get information out of syllogism and his group. I figured this would set them off and I'd learn from it. Ironically I learned a ton from PM'ing with Cephiro about this action. It also stirred up some people and some people ignored it or thought it looked ok. So mainly I just got a great read on Syllogism with it. Who I think is townie now a days.
I didn't only tell Meapak. The reason for telling meapak was just that it felt fine. I couldn't spread it to too many people and telling meapak is a two edged sword. If more then one person votes on Cephiro and provides him plenty of votes then theres a good chance someone I told was mafia. If they didn't get a great amount of votes then I trust that person slightly more at little to no cost to me. I realize its not "great" play, but I just wanted to gain a little more knowledge from people outside of the thread. And it worked out ok for me.
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Oops meant to say PM'ing with Syllogism. (We talked quite a bit about Cephiro lol)
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On May 06 2012 05:51 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 02:37 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On May 05 2012 18:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sheth, two questions:
what was the purpose of saying in thread you were giving votes to Cephiro/what did you get out of it?
Why did you choose to tell Meapak that you were lying and not anyone else? The point of saying that I was giving my votes to Cephiro was primarily to get information out of syllogism and his group. I figured this would set them off and I'd learn from it. Ironically I learned a ton from PM'ing with Cephiro about this action. It also stirred up some people and some people ignored it or thought it looked ok. So mainly I just got a great read on Syllogism with it. Who I think is townie now a days. I didn't only tell Meapak. The reason for telling meapak was just that it felt fine. I couldn't spread it to too many people and telling meapak is a two edged sword. If more then one person votes on Cephiro and provides him plenty of votes then theres a good chance someone I told was mafia. If they didn't get a great amount of votes then I trust that person slightly more at little to no cost to me. I realize its not "great" play, but I just wanted to gain a little more knowledge from people outside of the thread. And it worked out ok for me. What do you mean by the bold? You think Cephiro is mafia and his scumbuddies would give him votes or something? Anyways, so you are saying that all your behaviour last day was a façade to figure out syllo's alignment? Even you being "unsure" about everybody and ignoring everything happening in the thread and everybody else? Couldn't you just try to figure out syllo's alignment or his group by reading their posts or PMing them directly? You decided to play as scummy as possible to do so?
You make some bold bad claims here.
Voting for cephiro isn't "playing as scummy as possible". Its just voting for someone you may not like. Basically your logic is true, I could have just tried to figure it out by his Pm's and posts, but I wanted more.
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I'm not even going to answer you Gonzaw. I'll answer everyone else just fine. You'll just never stop with these questions. Why don't I contribute more ? (its night) why don't I give more specific reads? (there all I know for sure). sheesh.
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On May 06 2012 17:02 syllogism wrote:We have been giving mafia way too much information about our suspicions, but I just can't force myself to play any other way as it's not fun. Consequently the game is going to be very dull while we attempt to actually get them lynched. Also: Show nested quote +Original Message From Liquid`Sheth: Sure : Bloody : Just so you know I'm not just blindly giving my votes to Cephiro. I'm just fishing for responses. You're one of my candidates for recieving votes! : ] Meapak : Also, just so you know I'm not blindly giving all my votes to Cephiro. I simply want to see responses. I'm sure digging a whole with my talking to bc. But thats what I sent Original Message From syllogism: Can I see the logs with BC? Original Message From Liquid`Sheth: I actually told Meapak_ziphh and BC. Meapak brought it up in thread, I geuss he told WBG. Also yea kind of ironic that I told BC that if him and ceph are mafia together. Original Message From syllogism:
Can I get a list of people who you told about your cephiro gambit
"I told several people before I did this so it should be unarguable"
What are you trying to say by posting this without context?
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I was coaching someone at that time period. Do you want me to have the guy pm you verifying my alibi?
Syllogism asked if I would post who I told about my putting 5 votes on Cephiro not being real and those were the 2 messages that I sent in PM's. You can ask Meapak if its not exactly correct Anyway thats the context for those two quotes.
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Hey so for the record I think Cephiro is town. I've been thinking about it all day and thats my read. I also think Syllogism is too.
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On May 07 2012 09:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sheth is setting himself up so if he votes Cephiro he's not suspected later.
To that, I say: die scum, die.
No I'm really not.
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On May 07 2012 11:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Sheth, would you mind responding to Syllo, and also providing your PM logs with BC? Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 01:34 syllogism wrote:
Yes, I know meapak verified the story and I have seen your logs with him. You have provided no logs of your conversations with BC, unless he never replied and you randomly decided to PM him without talking to him at all about anything. It seems to me you should have PMed your #1 town read, Palmar instead if you wanted to keep that information secret so you could see how people react.
Already answered it, read a few pages back.
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Thats everything.
And I PM'ed Palmar other things. Why don't you post all of your coorespondance with everyone. Sheesh this is getting ridiculous. Why doesn't everyone just post everything they've ever said in PM as you're asking me. - .-;
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On May 07 2012 12:06 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 11:54 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Thats everything.
And I PM'ed Palmar other things. Why don't you post all of your coorespondance with everyone. Sheesh this is getting ridiculous. Why doesn't everyone just post everything they've ever said in PM as you're asking me. - .-; So you only ever sent BC one PM, and that was the extent of all your communications with him? Also, I never asked you anywhere to post all your PMs with everyone, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. I'm also not the one in immediate danger of getting lynched and who should be trying to show they're not scum.
I'm in no immediate danger. Also Wiggles you're obviously not paying attention to what I'm posting. Feel free to just read those for your answers. Pretty sure the pressure to show that we aren't scum is on all of us.
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On May 07 2012 12:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
It makes no sense for a town Sheth to tell BC he was bluffing about the Cephiro votes but not have any other PM logs with BC.
Indeed I wasn't even sure why he would tell meapak.
I just picked 2 people so I'd have proof that was why I did it. I just thought they looked good from their posting.
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On May 07 2012 12:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
As opposed to telling palmar, since that would actually make sense?
Syllo was right, this should teach you not to unnecessarily lie as scum.
Why would I tell Palmar? Hes pretty much one of the ppl I coudn't tell. I wanted a reaction from syllogism and his group. If I told Palmar he'd tell Syllogism. You're point is terribly bad.
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On May 07 2012 12:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 12:16 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On May 07 2012 12:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
As opposed to telling palmar, since that would actually make sense?
Syllo was right, this should teach you not to unnecessarily lie as scum. Why would I tell Palmar? Hes pretty much one of the ppl I coudn't tell. I wanted a reaction from syllogism and his group. If I told Palmar he'd tell Syllogism. You're point is terribly bad. -_- So you want me to believe that you thought BC was town, considered giving him votes yesterday, and based this all on having precisely one PM sent to him with nothing in response. And you chose BC, of all people. The person who everyone was trying to kill. Who flipped scum. Who you have no PM logs with, despite the fact that he replied to every single PM I sent him, even up to just a few hours before lynch. You have no other logs with BC. It is quite frankly impossible for me to believe that as town you would be in such a situation.
Congratz you are closed minded.
Also he never responded to me so its nice that he responded to you.
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Why would I forge a PM to BC if I could have simply said I didn't PM him?
Just give me an answer to that please.
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Oh wifom -- w/e come up with a better reason though please echelon.
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On May 07 2012 13:01 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 12:55 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Why would I forge a PM to BC if I could have simply said I didn't PM him?
Just give me an answer to that please. because you said you PMed more than one person about the bluff, and Meapak was only one person. derp.
Could have said Ace or Foolishness.
derp back at ya.
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On May 07 2012 13:10 gonzaw wrote:Guess I'm in the majority again. About Sheth:What wbg says makes sense. You could have lied about telling people you PMed more than 1 person, and so you forged a PM with your scumbuddy. Even if you hadn't lied, you could have forged the PMs before saying it and planning it too to gain town cred if BC flipped. The way I see it your PM doesn't make sense in the context of the game: - If you didn't think BC was town:
Why would you PM him about your bluff then? That wouldn't make sense, you would PM your town reads about it
- If you thought BC was town:
Then why didn't you PM him more? You are telling me that you PMed a town read of yours ONLY ONCE, and only did that to explain your "bluff"? It would make sense that if you thought BC was town you would have PMed him more and not just have a lousy PM that doesn't even talk about the game at all
Either way, even if this is false, then you are still mafia from the other team, so it's irrelevant. What's relevant is the fact that you haven't defended yourself against any accusations. I've called you out on not giving a single read or contributing at all, and when you DID it was wishy-washy as hell and just wrong, like you didn't even cared about making those reads. Yet here you are still doing nothing and just defending yourself, and you don't even care about scumhunting nor about the game We should kill Sheth today.
He didn't reply back to me.
"Either way, even if this is false, then you are still mafia from the other team, so it's irrelevant."
That quote is pretty bad. As for you calling me out, you've just asked stupid questions repeatedly. If you think thats calling me out then you're just crazy. How can someone both do nothing and defend oneself? As for scumhunting I'm look at ET and I've already said you look pretty bad forever ago I just haven't made a huge case on it.
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On May 07 2012 13:20 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 13:14 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On May 07 2012 13:10 gonzaw wrote:Guess I'm in the majority again. About Sheth:What wbg says makes sense. You could have lied about telling people you PMed more than 1 person, and so you forged a PM with your scumbuddy. Even if you hadn't lied, you could have forged the PMs before saying it and planning it too to gain town cred if BC flipped. The way I see it your PM doesn't make sense in the context of the game: - If you didn't think BC was town:
Why would you PM him about your bluff then? That wouldn't make sense, you would PM your town reads about it
- If you thought BC was town:
Then why didn't you PM him more? You are telling me that you PMed a town read of yours ONLY ONCE, and only did that to explain your "bluff"? It would make sense that if you thought BC was town you would have PMed him more and not just have a lousy PM that doesn't even talk about the game at all
Either way, even if this is false, then you are still mafia from the other team, so it's irrelevant. What's relevant is the fact that you haven't defended yourself against any accusations. I've called you out on not giving a single read or contributing at all, and when you DID it was wishy-washy as hell and just wrong, like you didn't even cared about making those reads. Yet here you are still doing nothing and just defending yourself, and you don't even care about scumhunting nor about the game We should kill Sheth today. He didn't reply back to me. "Either way, even if this is false, then you are still mafia from the other team, so it's irrelevant." That quote is pretty bad. As for you calling me out, you've just asked stupid questions repeatedly. If you think thats calling me out then you're just crazy. How can someone both do nothing and defend oneself? As for scumhunting I'm look at ET and I've already said you look pretty bad forever ago I just haven't made a huge case on it. I don't really care about your PM with BC, that's the point, it could be legit or not (although I'm inclined to think it's not). What I do care about is your behaviour and your play this game. Why are you avoiding the issue and just argue semantics? Here, I'll rephrase: "Yet here you are still doing nothing other than just defending yourself...".
I'm just going to point out your question is still dumb.
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On May 07 2012 13:38 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 13:27 gonzaw wrote:
Whatever I'm not gonna argue with you, it's obvious you are just dodging the issue Indeed, you'll just come back with 10 fluff posts asking the same questions over and over again a few minutes after.
Hm I will say kill me first then look at cephiro in a new light if you guys want. Could be pretty productive. I'd rather live, but if I do die you'll at least realize all my reads are legitimate and to look at the right people.
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On May 07 2012 14:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 13:12 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On May 07 2012 13:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 07 2012 12:55 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Why would I forge a PM to BC if I could have simply said I didn't PM him?
Just give me an answer to that please. because you said you PMed more than one person about the bluff, and Meapak was only one person. derp. Could have said Ace or Foolishness. derp back at ya. Ace died n1 and you replied to me before day 3 post and even if you hadn't you couldn't know what he had told everyone else. Not that we need to catch you at a lie to get you lynched as everything about your play screams mafia. If someone actually needs an explanation, we can provide one as otherwise I don't see the need.
So back on the get me lynched train. Have fun.
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Cuz I'm town you single minded angry fool.
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I've figured out why I'm being targeted like this btw.
If you are mafia you actually want to kill other mafia. So that makes sense that syllo's mafia play would still be this hunting really badly for the other house. Anyway I'm town, and I think my flip will actually help town more then anything else I can do because you guys seem to just assume I'm mafia regardless of what I say. Look at Gonzaw the kid has a good chance of being mafia.
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I'm saying I decided you weren't mafia because you were scum hunting in a good fashion going after people not necessarily me in general. But I realize now as Mafia you'd be wanting to do the same thing. It actually kind of messes up my reads on everyone and ironically those who aren't really caring about finding mafia are probably the towniest or just the laziest, because mafia should really be trying to clean out the other house quite a lot.
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On May 08 2012 03:47 syllogism wrote:
This seems too easy though, but we do have basically 3 claimed mafia to lynch if chaoser and/or meapak end up being town
Thats because your not as good at this as you think you are.
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On May 08 2012 04:01 syllogism wrote:
I'm not actually trying to find the whole team at once and I would be much happier if I could lynch you/sandroba/ceph first and then decide how to proceed. You have already claimed mafia, so if you somehow end up flipping town I would be requesting a ban due to not playing for your win con. So please stop trolling/insulting
I have never claimed mafia. I geuss the point of this game is lying, but come on syllo. Hopefully the rest of you can see threw syllo's idiocracy.
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On May 08 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:You are arguing with someone who also said this Show nested quote +ironically those who aren't really caring about finding mafia are probably the towniest or just the laziest
I guess we'll have to wait till the end to see which of us was right. I know you're wrong on at least one account. Also saying you'll request a ban if I'm town is pretty sad.
You just can't wrap your little ahead around people not obeying you or playing in a completely straight and orderly style. This is a game of different styles and I guess yours is to insult and call for bans. Still I just want you to know by doing that sort of thing you make the game less fun. Its like taking an outside object into the game. Its like saying hey syllo if you keep this up I'll ask for a TL ban. Because you know I can do that and for insulting me in PM's I could possibly get it. Hopefully you see the point there.
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On May 08 2012 04:25 syllogism wrote:
Feel free to consult the rules of the game. Trolling and intentionally making people believe you are mafia by saying things that are manifestly wrong is according to any reasonable interpretation of the rule playing against your win con and worth a modkill/ban. It is basically the worst thing you can do in mafia aside form blatant cheating.
Here syllogism let me help you by finding the rules.
Play to win.
This means you play your best to help your team win while you are alive and in the game. However, this does not mean that you should try to win by being a jerk to the other players so they all want to quit playing.
I'm actually trying my best to help my team win. You just can't see it. The three things you have against me is that I said I'd put 5 on Cephiro and then never did, I defended BC who was mafia and I haven't been really active in finding scum. Great I lied to gain information, I defeneded someone I thought was probably innocent and if you notice I have been pointing at both Gonzaw and you.
So I'm pretty sure I'm trying here. You on the other hand are skirting two rules. One that you should discuss bans after the game, which technically saying you want someone banned if they are town is doing that. And at least for me you're making it so I want to just flip my card which is something I rarely feel, but I suppose you could be mafia which is what I've been saying so I guess I'm ok with it.
Anyway thats what I see. So if you can't see that I'm trying as a townie and want to request a ban after feel free. Just realize I am trying and its you who are just simply not as good as you think you are, unless you're mafia in which case gj syllo, you'll win by causing anger. For the rest of you, get ready for this sort of behavior once I'm done. I suppose you'll kill Cephiro next, I have no idea if he is town or mafia, but after that gl with syllo guys. I'd hoped more of you would be against this sort of play, but I haven't been defending myself well apparently.
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On May 08 2012 04:26 prplhz wrote:
you should calm down syllo whatever he did i'm sure he's either scum or he didn't do it on purpose
Well thanks for that. <3 Prplhz
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On May 08 2012 04:38 syllogism wrote:How can you honestly believe in everything you said here, it seems completely impossible Show nested quote +I've figured out why I'm being targeted like this btw.
If you are mafia you actually want to kill other mafia. So that makes sense that syllo's mafia play would still be this hunting really badly for the other house. Anyway I'm town, and I think my flip will actually help town more then anything else I can do because you guys seem to just assume I'm mafia regardless of what I say. Look at Gonzaw the kid has a good chance of being mafia. Show nested quote +I'm saying I decided you weren't mafia because you were scum hunting in a good fashion going after people not necessarily me in general. But I realize now as Mafia you'd be wanting to do the same thing. It actually kind of messes up my reads on everyone and ironically those who aren't really caring about finding mafia are probably the towniest or just the laziest, because mafia should really be trying to clean out the other house quite a lot.
I geuss you don't realize the different mind set caused by this different game style? In a normal mafia game there is TOWN and there is MAFIA and sometimes there is 3RD PARTY. Mafia then has to deal with town + 3rd party, or in most cases just TOWN. So in this game we know there are two seperate mafia. So its a different mindset where its like we have a bunch of 3rd party, only even more different because they are mafia instead of 3rd party. Basically mafia will even be able to "kill themselves" to make themselves look more townie. This isn't possible when mafia kill 3rd party, because its seperate.
So what I'm saying there is that as mafia you're actually playing for a town.. except your town is called mafia. You're just a seperate group of people that also want to kill mafia. EVERYONE wants to kill mafia, that is their wincon. So in this game its going to feel like everyone is town. I'm just saying there that those who aren't even caring about finding mafia won't nessecarily be mafia themselves, they'll simply be the lazy whether they be town or mafia. Thats how I can believe in that, and yes I know you think its impossible. You seem to have a short vision for that sort of thing.
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Sooo someone told me to claim in PM land. Because I'm likely going to die.
How hard is it to understand I'm just a townie. I'm just a vanilla townie.
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This game really hurt to watch. GJ Goznaw, although I knew. And Palmar somewhat nicely played. Syllogism ha I was right. And WBG was really sad for you to die.when you did.
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