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It would be ideal for the Mafia to cause this sort of distraction so they can easily hide under the attention that has been directed onto Palmar. In order to make a clear decision when vote time comes around the town needs to start building cases against possible Mafia and not getting sidetracked by such silliness. | ||
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On May 01 2012 06:21 chaoser wrote: Um, the discussion it brought is pretty helpful? It started discussion? The plan itself sucks though and is very anti-town. It started dicussion? Not really. It started confusion and the confusion started a "discussion" that wasted half the day. | ||
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On May 01 2012 06:00 Ace wrote: It's like they haven't read the OP and don't realize that banding together is a worst-case strategy. Trying to form a block of Townies to pick out the remaining Scum is just dumb in this setup. Independence though? Awesome. What you are looking for in this game is a block of people that share votes and appear on the same wagon (Round A's question) more than once. With 3 Scum per team they can never ALL vote the same way for fear of ending up in the majority and having their votes tracked since they need to save each other. Hence a decent team will come to the conclusion of always voting 2 in favor of Yes/No and the lone vote out taking the opposite side. Then it's just a matter of figuring out if the Scum team have 2 players or 1 player in the Majority pool for Round B by seeing where they apply their "saving" votes. This game is simple. You people just aren't smart enough to grasp it. The mafia team will always be voting in the 2 to 1 method. However since there are two teams its a matter of figuring out where the two mafia are voting. On any given day each majority/minority will have either 2, 3 or 4 members. So for each faction, we need to figure out whether they have 1 or 2 members in the majority. Since mafia needs to save their allies they will always get at least some votes. So by comparing who is voting for who over the course of a few days it should give us some information. Furthermore it's unlikely that the same 2 Mafia members will be voting together every day most likely they will cycle through X and Y, X and Z, Y and Z, etc. As Ace said, this is a lot simplier than people make it out to be. <3 | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:04 Cephiro wrote: Most likely, yes. Always, no. I can very well see all 3 mafia members voting for the same option, especially in the early game. A vote or two from a few random townies that have been deceived in PM-Land (or even worse, publically in thread), tadah. No worries. There's no reason for Mafia to take that chance. You really think they can decieve people in PM's like that? Have you been deceived in PMs like that? People are flipping coins to decide votes, and I doubt anyone is actually listening to Palmar. Three votes for the same option is to obviously, especially so early where people are extra paranoid. They would try to leave a little of a connection as possible to each other. With that said, there is no reason mafia would take that chance. Thus we can always expect the 2-1 split. Then it's just a matter of looking at who is voting for whom and matching people up. | ||
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On May 02 2012 01:19 syllogism wrote: Katina you seemed worried about King Palmar plan distracting from actual mafia hunting, but you personally have voiced no suspicions at all. Further, do you really think the rather heated discussion that followed produced no useful information at all, especially in terms of connections, or more accurately disconnections? While you unfortunately aren't up for lynch today, I'm very interested in hearing from you too Yes, how unfortunate for you. Like killing townies eh? I have been reading and looking at people since it's the beingingish of a new game. Since it's for you I will <3 Palmar: I think he is Mafia because of his so called plan that caused disruption early on in the thread. He hasn't been arond to defend his plan or try to do anything with it. He just kind of disappeared into La La land. His posts now aren't memorable and it doesn't seem like he cares about the town. Regardless Palmar is not in the majority group consequiencly you aren't either so we can talk about that later. Those who are though that I am suspicious of are: Radfield: I dont feel like hes helping the town most of his posts have been arguing with others or comparing penis sizes. EcholenTee: He has been missing for a majority of the game. Last game I was in with him, he was vocal and not MIA for this long. I would support a Sandroba lynch. I'm not too sure about a VE lynch though. In the majority list that I think is town would be: Mr: Wiggles: I don't think he is mafia at the moment. I think he is posting what's on his mind. Even though he was in the idiot trio bullshit crap retarded arguement with Gonzaw and Cephiro. | ||
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On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be. That being said, my scumreads are: Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches. I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer. O.o I like this. If I had a dime for a everytime someone called me scum without reasoning I would have enough hookers to serve the entire mafia community. Rawr. After going back and rereading, I think that Radfield, VE, Sandroba, EcholenTee should die in the Majority. I have explained Rafield and EcholenTee in one of my previous posts. VE and Sandroba should die for not helping the town. By the way Palmar is Mafia. | ||
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On May 02 2012 07:58 gonzaw wrote: wbg told me (PMs) that he had a spreadsheet done and would post it after he comes from work or something. I'm waiting for him atm. @VE: *sigh* really? Random list of scumreads with 0 reasoning behind them? @Katina: Could you give more thorough reasoning for thinking ET/Radfield are scum? At least taking into account their recent play/lack of play? And again post some reasoning for thinking Palmar is mafia. We can talk about Palmar tonight or tomorrow because he isn't on the chopping block and debating his alignment is not important right now and we need to figure out who to lynch. As for ET and Rafield they haven't been helpful to the town. EcholenTee has claimed to being busy with school so therefore has not been able to contibute. He wrote recent posts but they felt very jumbled, he commented of four different things but didn't bring anything new to the table. I felt like he was just making that post because he had to not because he wanted to. While Radfield has been here but chosen to measure his penis instead with VE instead of helping the town. This goes back to my earlier argument while he appears to be active is he really helping the town? It certainly doesn't feel like it. | ||
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On May 03 2012 02:23 syllogism wrote: Hey katina I see you are lurking, got anything worthwhile to contribute? Are you still interested in lynching the most obvious townie in the game? Been PMing anyone? I'm working on it, patience is key. By most obvious townie I'm assuming you mean Palmar? He's on my suspicion list still. I'm sure you will be the first to know if that changes. Of course I have been PM'ing people. Hasn't everyone? | ||
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On May 02 2012 22:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am unsure of sheth and bugs was compiling a list of voters to ensure that the only two to be lynched were going to be VE and roba. Nothing roba has done has swayed me in believing that he is town so I was fine with his lynch. I had mixed reservations about VE but as they were the only two on the docket I made sure no one else got random lynched due to lack of votes. As for signing up if I don't have enough time? I have been around directly after phases begin, and 2ish hours before the phase ends. Given that my work schedule is one that typically 4 out of 7 days in a week I can have solid amount of time to do things then It is no issue. As for signing up if I don't have time to play? You do not need to invest your life into a game of mafia to have time to play it. As for changing my vote? All votes are absolute and may not be changed according to the OP. No reason to believe that incog or ver is lying about that. I am glad that you intentionally view people negatively who follow what the hosts say though. As for top scum reads? Katina, prpl, and roba. Town reads are near useless to post so I won't bother. The game is about finding mafia not finding town. You merely get the advantage of the second as you start lynching / vigi'ing mafia. For someone who says the game is about finding mafia you have sure done a dandy job. You have conveniently picked easy targets to attack and have provided next to nothing when it comes to analysis. In fact your filter just has you posting your scum reads in a list like the one above and that's it. I also love reading your big walls of text on the past few pages. Talking about plans nobody cares about; diverting attention away from important posts and the votes and arguing with the person who has the biggest ego. Why if I didn't know better it seems like you are the textbook example of mafia play. :O egads! | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have my points on katina pretty clear in my earlier analysis of her, and given the lack of serious contribution / any real work done out of her, that opinion has not changed. Someone who has been introduced to this community and privately coached via one of the other players in this game I expect far more than what I am seeing. This isn't her first game anymore. Given the amount of time she has had to learn it is pretty clear she is not town. From a guy who has played for how long? Your reads are a little rusty it would seem. Just because I have been coached doesn't mean anything. I'm here reading the thread and PM'ing to try and figure out who is Mafia. I apologize for not throwing out half assed accusations and "cases" filled with complete nonsense. I don't intend to clutter the thread with my uncertainties, so I apologize for wanting to be more than 50% confident in my reads. It may not be my first game but it still takes practice before I turn into the Jackie Chan of Mafia. | ||
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On May 05 2012 00:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Wander off for a night and come back to see people once again pushing my death with 0 substance aside from "hes red guys". Out of players like palmar or syllo such bad horrific play is to be expected. It is part of their general play. However when players like foolishness even by this point in time have yet to create an actual case against me then it is an obvious tell he is red. If he truely believed I was red and knew that there was even any remote kickback to this game he would try to garner people to vote in a way to have me killed by posting reasons as to why I should not be saved. Instead we have such posts as Anyone also notice how his protoge katina has vanished almost entirely from this thread and has yet to make a single post in roughly 40 hours? Both people I fingered as reds have yet to do anything aside from lurk and spend happy fun times in pms. Very interesting wouldn't you all think? Foolishness' meta is fairly standard, and not posting his reads in a way to actually push them in thread is one of his mafia tells and has been for ages. But you guys ignore those things cause its what you do. As for wonder gems like this This is coming from a player who has to this point in the game (at least in thread) done absolutely nothing at all. He suddenly bangs out his first "analysis" post and begins to jump on the same people who have been FoS'd or pressured for the last 24+ hours. Rather than contributing anything new he rehashes the same arguments that have been made previously as if they justify an opinion. He in the same posts claims that he thinks someone else is scum but they won't get lynched so its pointless, but rather than share his reads so that people may agree or disagree with him its "i dont want to muddle the thread". New analysis is never muddling the thread unless you are spamming it for pages. As for his opinion on roba, its friggen amusing. He has done nothing to help anyone in this game that I know of. Roba's scum meta is to do fuckall all game. His town meta is to take charge and think of plans. Which does he represent? Then we have a post like this out of syllo He at not point in time has said anywhere that I have seen that he can guarentee that his read on me or cephiro is correct but he did say he can guarentee Sheths. As such Sheth is obviously his strongest read yet rather than push it he is pushing the lynch on two other players. Everyone seriously look at the players attempting to run this game. They give you near no reasons for why they believe what they believe, are actively keeping content out of the thread, and providing near no reasons for why they do what they do. If you also notice the main people being suspected for being scum that should die are all the people who have primarily been giving them any kickback. Ace, and VE both fought their plans, died and flipped green. It is obvious that there is no intent at the moment in them finding reds, it is about removing any voice who speaks against them. That is not how town wins games. Mafia win games like that. It's called a life, yo! Sandroba used it and he is still alive, why can't I?? Seriously though, I have been in PM land. I'll be honest, with everything taken care of there there wasn't a need to post in the thread. At the times I was around nothing was happening in the thread or there was arguing about Cephiro which was something I did not want to get involved in. Not a good excuse I know but surely you can understand. I would like to address this post you just made though. I don't see how this helps the town at all. Everything I see with it is just pushing a mafia agenda. You have been consistent with wanting to kill myself and Foolishness I'll give you that. But as for general posting behavior all you've done is thrown doubt around at the people who are trying to lead the town to victory. This includes Foolishness, but you've attacked syllogism and Palmar now. I have my doubts about these two but at least they have both tried to do something. You seem more content on just shutting down everyone's plans and instilling doubt in the town. And this seems to take priority for you over pushing your reads. Saying that the intent is "about removing any voice who speaks against them" is silly. It seems to me some of these people (Foolishness, gonzaw, wherebugsgo, syllogism) are more concerned about finding mafia than anything else. sandroba is mafia but he's not speaking out against them. Cephiro isn't speaking out against them so much as just trying to stupidly defend himself. You are the one who is speaking out about the scum hunters, who is pushing an agenda, who is slinging doubt around, who is not actively trying to make plans [I recall you saying something early that trying to make plans is stupid and we should just scumhunt. People in PM land (guess who!!!) tell me that this is not like your town play] | ||
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On May 05 2012 03:03 Liquid`Sheth wrote: Here are my reads : BC - Suprised everyone thinks hes mafia. However I can see it a bit as he didn't really talk to me much and he provided me 4 votes out of no where. I do appreciate it BC, but I'd like to know the reason behind it. Syllo - I'm unsure. I think he has a 60% chance of being mafia, but a lot of people I talk to think hes 100% town... I'm sticking with my thinking that he has a good chance of being mafia. Palmar - Towniest Townie to Town. Gonzaw - 59% mafia due to his early tunneling / anger against Cephiro. I'm not sure though Gonzaw I would like to keep you around for another day to see more. Foolishness - I don't have much of a read on you. Katina - We've played a few games together and I dont' think we've ever PM'ed or talked together once. Whats up? What are your reads? WBG - I like WBG so far. I'm content with him living. You’re right, we never get to chat! I’m Katina, my favorite color is green, I like dogs, my hobby is video games, drawing, and teasing Foolishness, I hate spiders, I am terrified of heights and I enjoy taking candy from babies and small children. Today my reads out of the Majority are: BC: He is my top priority and I would like to see him lynched (As I just stated in my recent post) He is instilling doubt in the town, he's trying to shut down any plan that is made and out of everyone I feel like he's the one that has an agenda. I don't see how it can be a town favored agenda. I feel like he's trying to undermine people who are being helpful to the town. If we can't kill BC I would like to kill Cephiro. | ||
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Out making Foolishness' life hell. Going to repost this because I find it interesting even though he withdrew his accusation. On May 01 2012 03:38 Foolishness wrote: And since I did say we should focus on who we want to kill. I'm going to start off by saying we should kill chaoser. Let's look at his first post: I see here an apathetic attitude towards the town agenda. Notice lines like, "The really really bad townies will obviously die this way but that's good for the town as well since it gets rid of distractions early" which are clearly non-sensical since everyone in this game is good. What really irks me is when he says "It's like a vigi hit that the whole town controls. It's basically multi-lynch but not everyone knows the votes. I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out though." Is this even helpful in any way? Why would he bother saying these things? Everyone here has read the rules and knows what is going on. It is obvious he doesn't care about what's going to happen..."I'm sure the votes will end up sorting things out..." His attitude is "don't worry guys things will work out in the end". We all know that there is a crap ton we need to be worried about so that 5 people don't end up dying day 1. He has taken a stance on that he wants everyone to be in the majority, but this was originally Wiggles idea. It seems his main reason for justifying the plan is that it is better than Palmar's (not going to discuss whether or not his plan is actually better as that's not what this is about). As I stated above he is okay with having everyone in the majority since he thinks things will work out, and if anyone dies it will be the "really really bad townies" of which do not exist in this game. If you click his filter you can see a few other things that only further my case. He asks a lot of questions and does it in a way to throw doubt around. I have no problem with people asking questions but it does not seem his goal is to accomplish something for the town. Rather he is making everyone skeptical of all the plans that are presented thus far. chaoser needs to die. If he is in the majority we should see to it that he is killed. It seems chaoser hasn't been very prominent in the discussion. These same arguments are starting to circle back. | ||
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On May 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote: There is really no plan that we can follow today that allows us to guarantee the people we want to kill are in the minority. Again, I think the best way is to random and not tell anyone how you're voting. Obviously this opens the possiblity of stacking, which is what I believe has been the case last 2 days to save sandroba, but the chances of MZ, chaoser, cephiro and sandroba all ending up on the same side AND in minority are extremely slim. Wasn't BC also saying that any round A plans are stupid and can't guarantee anything? He was mafia. Anything to toss the doubt around eh? | ||
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On May 10 2012 04:47 Palmar wrote: How is that remotely tossing doubt around. Do you have a fleshed out plan on how to proceed? You've been tunneling me all game, the only reason you've gotten by this long is foolishness seemed to think you're town. Meapak has a plan. Foolishness had a plan before he died. gonzaw has had many plans over the course of the game. BC kept saying that plans were stupid and it was impossible to coordinate. He also tried to push people into thinking Foolishness and the rest of the circle was mafia. He never pushed a read hard until people wanted to kill him. I sense history repeating itself with you.... | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Alright I fucked up with Palmar. I thought his plan was retarded and since he's put zero effort into this game I assumed he was scum. I reread his filter and realized that he actually wants to kill the same people I do. For clarity's sake, here's the PM from Bugs that put made me think Palmar is scum. Also for those wondering, WBG never told gonzaw why Palmar was scum, so that link is gone.+ Show Spoiler + Original Message From wherebugsgo: Thanks for this, it's very useful. I have an idea, but I'm going to wait on it. In fact I'm going to tell gonzaw and syllo, so that if I die tonight they will know what I think. based on this vote pattern, though, I think Palmar is scum. I will explain it to syllo and gonzaw and if I die tonight they will make the results public. If I don't die I'll do it myself. The reason I'm not telling you now is because I want to play it safe. I want to see if the trend I see continues. Based on what I'm seeing I'm sure it will because it is nearly impossible for that type of trend to be purely accidental. There's also a handy spreadsheet in there, bugs and I used it to flesh out voting patterns. Sadly, I'm really not sure who to put down as scum in place of Palmar. We'll still go through on the plan I set forward earlier today, we've still got plenty of targets to work with, it just means that I'm gonna need to go back and look through my townies to figure out which one of them is scum Palmar I'm sorry, I jumped to conclusions and now I'm slightly fucked. Since your reads are basically mine, who do you think is the last scum? ....really? He wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro so he's in the clear? Everyone wants to kill sandroba and Cephiro. | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: He has a big post early in the game where he lists a bunch of reads I agree with. He also wanted to kill BC and Chaoser, they can't all be on a different team than he is. Maybe he's doing a massive bus and I'm falling for it but at this point I'm just gonna call occam's razor and worry about him later. We still have a bunch of great targets, once we've killed them then we can worry about finding the last scum or if Palmar actually is scum.. Palmar and BC voted the same the first two days. Palmar and chaoser have voted differently for 3 days now. Palmar cannot be on the same team as BC or Chaoser. | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: idk what your point is, I think that's what I'm trying to say. I just said that I don't think Palmar is scum anymore. You said you don't think Palmar is scum. You said this because he has had the same reads as you from the start of the game. You listed these reads as BC and chaoser. I'm telling you that it's very unlikely Palmar is on the same team as BC or chaoser. Therefore your reasoning for thinking Palmar as not scum is silly. Nobody is bussing anyone. | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: He also wants to kill cephiro and sandroba as you already pointed out. Between the four people we've named that's basically the rest of the mafia. Everyone wants to kill Cephiro and sandroba, so I hardly call that a bus. | ||
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Don't see how this is even an argument. I am fine with chaoser and Palmar dying. | ||
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On May 11 2012 15:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Gonna repost this real quick So I'm pretty close to figuring out who the scum to replace Palmar is. It'll be interesting to see if Cephiro shoots into the other team tonight or if the other team decides to finish him off. Either way, tomorrow things are going down in a similar manner as today, those of the above who fall into the majority are gonna get instakilled. I know who the scum to replace Palmar is... ... it's Palmar | ||
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On May 12 2012 04:08 Cephiro wrote: This is why there is still hope for you if you are town, young padawan. Katina, do you also think that I am the last scum in the Yokoya posse? No. sandroba is. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:59 Palmar wrote: We're killing chaoser today, that's not the question. Anyone who votes chaoser will be considered autoscum for the rest of the game. @Katina: you never answered my question about sandroba. Do you think he's scum? I kind of don't mind dying, this game is much less fun now that I don't have syllo to talk to. If that's what it takes for you derps to pull your heads out of your asses and realize what's going on, then sure, don't vote me. As I've already explained, MZ's change of stance basically confirms him town, no scum would ever commit to a case on a townie and then back off, that only draws suspicion their way. I still stand by the notion prplhz is confirmed town. chaoser, sandroba and cephiro are scum. I'm actually backing off the idea that gonzaw could be one, I re-read most of yours filtes and he seems very townie. Katina still looks terrible, of course she looks even worse since to myself I'm confirmed town, but when I flip drill her for why the hell she did what she's doing. She's also been on the wrong side of sandroba's voting plenty of times. The last scum is either ET or Wiggles, after re-reading. sloosh is asking perfectly valid questions, and my initial town read on Radfield means a lot, even if that vote on cephiro was stupid as shit, I don't think radfield was paying too much attention, but he did sound like town early on. And that is still sad for being the best post I could find. More of posting a list of reads, saying if they are town or mafia, then going back to one liners and not doing anything. syllogism was hard core defending him and Palmar just used that as an excuse to not do anything. Day 1 he made a stupidass plan that did nothing but distract the town from more important matters. Though that day he was actually active. Now that syllogism is dead he is back to making semi-good posts like the above. In between though he did nothing because syllogism was defending him. He used that as an excuse to not help the town. And he hasn't helped the town at all. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:22 prplhz wrote: Your filter is bad Katina. I'm sorry, but I don't see you on the player list. Who are you again? On April 29 2012 05:41 Protactinium wrote: Player List: 1. 2. sandroba 3. 4. Mr. Wiggles 5. Meapak_Ziphh 6. 7. Cephiro 8. Katinaa 9. EchelonTee 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. Palmar 16. 17. gonzaw Replacement List: 6. johnnywup 7. Misder 10. Erandorr Filters: Wiggles Gonzaw Radfield Chaoser Ace Katina Meapak Meapak #2 Syllogism wherebugsgo Foolishness Sheth Sandroba EchelonTee VisceraEyes Cephiro Palmar Bloodyc0bbler | ||
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On May 12 2012 06:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Katina you're pretty aggressive for someone who hasn't done anything. If you actually think Palmar is scum you're really gonna have to do better than that. He distracted the town day 1. He has hardly contributed anything. His filter is one liners mostly. He doesn't call people retarded like anyone would expect out of him. What more is there to say? Your reasoning for saying he's town is that he has had the same reads as you. But those reads are sandroba and Cephiro. Everyone wants to kill those two. Hardly a reason for thinking he's town. | ||
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On May 14 2012 01:47 prplhz wrote: Uh, Meapak_Ziphh is supporting a plan that would end in dead Palmar. At least one of myself, Palmar, Meapak_Ziphh is mafia from the minority list. Unless Meapak is going to come claim mafia we need to kill Palmar. | ||
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On May 14 2012 13:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Like seriously why the fuck would you ever give sandroba votes. Had he not done that it would have been 5 V 3, 4 V 3 after night kills. Town would have been in a great position to win. I know this should be left to post game but I think what he did counts as playing against your wincon. You seem pretty certain there's going to be night kills... | ||
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On May 15 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote: Katina are you calling Meapak scum? Or misguided? How about prplhz? Not really. His reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't actually think he's mafia but then again I have no idea who could be on Palmar's team other than Wiggles. | ||
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On May 16 2012 03:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Katina I'm sick of you half assing this game. Put in some goddamn effort and give us some ACTUAL reasons. I don't know, maybe write an analysis, maybe have more of a thread presence, maybe PM people and at least pretend like you're interested. After the cephiro flip I blew up all my reads and started over again and let me say this katina, it's foolishness's insistence that you're town which is preventing me right now from putting you in the majority and lynching you this cycle. Play the game. I have been sir. I do not mean to overstep your pride here. Let me say again that your reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't say this in an accusatory way; it's the truth. I don't think you are mafia, but as I said I don't know who the last member on Palmar's team is (I think Wiggles is one of them). You said that Palmar is innocent because he has had the same reads as you from the start. That does not indicate anything about alignment. Palmar has wanted to kill sandroba and Cephiro (these are the two you listed). But everyone wants to kill those two. Also it makes the most sense that sandroba is the last member of BC's team. So Palmar isn't bussing one of his teammates. The most incriminating piece of evidence is that Palmar was virtually derping when syllogism was alive. That's cause syllogism was hard core pushing his innocence especially in PMs. I know Foolishness and wherebugsgo were both suspicious of Palmar but syllogism made it hard for them to push that read. That and there were more important targets at the time. If you look through Palmar's post history you will see he was most active day 1 and then in the previous days since syllogism's death. Palmar was using syllogism as an excuse to not do anything. With syllogism constantly pushing his innocence he did not have to try at all, either in the thread or PM. He has only stepped up his posting since syllogism died, whether he's stepped up in PM land or not I don't know. Even if you want to start pointing guns at me, you still need to explain why Palmar deserves a free pass. Cause this isn't about me, it's about Palmar. And like I said at least one person out of you, me, and Palmar has to be mafia. Unless you're going to claim mafia I'm not stopping until Palmar is dead. | ||
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On May 18 2012 03:02 gonzaw wrote: We'll see that tomorrow depending on what happens tonight. O.o I know this is called "liar" game mafia but that doesn't mean you have to be so blatant about it! | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Actually yeah we kinda do :/ The plans for tomorrow are contingent on tonight. I hate to put it bluntly, but if you don't cooperate with us then we'll have no choice but to treat you as scum. I have been cooperating from the start. It's not an issue of that. It's the fact that there are 7 people alive and 3 are mafia. Thus it's getting to the point where it's becoming likely that either you or gonzaw are mafia. I don't think either of you are, just going by the numbers. And if one of you are then we have a bigger problem on our hands than worrying about who the last mafia is or getting sandroba killed. | ||
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On May 19 2012 02:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So gonzaw, ET, and myself have been doing the heavy lifting the past few days. I'd like to ask everyone who the final two scum are (we're not gonna worry about sandro right now since he's gonna die). Wiggles and someone else | ||
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Well if I had figured that out or come to a conclusion I would have said so silly | ||
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On May 19 2012 08:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: -_- Why are you so unwilling to contribute? You're rapidly approaching cephiro/VE level of uselessness. I'm not. I honestly don't know. Going by the votes it seems you would make the most sense for the last mafia on Palmar's team. But if we're going by behavior then I'm not going to point any fingers at you, which is why I haven't. I looked through Pick Your Power Interesting and you were very calm and passive in that game as mafia. It's nothing like what you are doing this game. I raise an eyebrow because you seemed gone/inactive days 2-4ish but on day 1 you were really active and since day 4 you've been here. So I'm not coming to point fingers yet until Wiggles and sandroba are dead and I'm more confident about killing you than anyone else. | ||
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On May 20 2012 05:04 gonzaw wrote: What do you think about sloosh then? You say you don't want to point fingers at MZ yet, but what about sloosh? Also, again, we won't do a multilynch today, we'll kill sandroba alone, so where each vote goes doesn't matter at all if everybody follows the plan It's posts like the one Sloosh made above that makes me sure he's town over anyone else right now. On May 20 2012 06:21 gonzaw wrote: Penalties! Anyways people. again, vote according to the plan. If someone votes differently we'll take it as a scum claim and we'll kill him later (like usual). I guess not much will happen until the flip, so let's enjoy the match! (hmm, I don't really know who to root for, instinctively I want Chelsea to win since I always watch the EPL, but I want Chelsea to lose since I will LOL so much since they'll miss the next year's CL and Spurs will go instead  )Now at this point I'm going to have to raise an objection. When is "later"? There are 7 people alive and you're telling us that if someone diverges we can just kill them later? How is that going to be possible when there are 2 people (sandroba and Mr. Wiggles) that everyone wants dead who are still alive? You went against the plan yesterday and sandroba is still alive and he shouldn't be. I'm not complaining that much because Palmar was my top suspect, but prphlz dying on top of that is suspect. How are you expecting to hold people accountable if something bad happens? As I said before just by the numbers your little trio there has at least one mafia in it. Getting a townie lynched yesterday instead of just one mafia seems like an incredibly anti-town maneuver. Especially since there doesn't seem to be any more night kills. | ||
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On May 21 2012 08:24 gonzaw wrote: It surely doesn't seem like that if as soon as we get a scum lynched you continue to bash our methods. Who do you think is Yokoya and Harimoto then? I posted a helpful chart with votes and shit so you can analyze them easier and so you don't need to waste time on looking at each Day/Night Post countless of times. Wasn't intending to bash that plan. I'm sorry it came across that way sir. | ||
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If that's the way you're going to be I don't know what to do. I don't think a townie in their right mind would just reveal that in the thread. Jubjub? I will follow the plan. Only because Wiggles is dying and I think he's mafia. Despite that, I will stand here and say that gonzaw is likely mafia. His plan does not make sense and does not fit in with what he's been pushing all game. My guess that there is still night KP floating around is just an idea. That's because the night kills are so sporatic and random. If he has a night KP left he has just won the game with his plan. I'm thinking that gonzaw is actually on BC's team. It seems likely that BC's team shot Foolishness. Foolishness told me before he died that BC always shoots him when he is mafia. That makes sense that it happened this game since Foolishness was suspicious of him right before he died. If this is true it means that chaoser and gonzaw both voted the same the day after BC was lynched. I find that unlikely but given how much Foolishness talked with gonzaw about mafia votes I can't rule it out. Given how the night kills have turned out I'm thinking that each mafia team has 2 hits that they can't use consecutively. Palmar's team shot Ace and wherebugsgo. BC's team shot Foolishness and nobody else. 3rd party shot syllogism. This is just speculation and not what I'm trying to argue. What I wonder is, why are we going through with a plan to lynch all the "suspicious" people when there are still 6 people alive and we are not in lylo as you claim? This plan seems like a dangerous rush to just end the game now. Everyone seems to agree that Wiggles is mafia. Let's just kill him and talk some more. You and Meapak have been soooo sure all game that we're not in lylo and that we have time. The past two days you have just wanted to lynch one person and move on. Take things slowly. Now we need to kill 3 people at once? That does not follow. Not to mention I've heard Meapak, gonzaw, and ET all say that they think sloosh is one of their top town reads at one point in the game. Earlier in the game people said the same thing about me. I understand opinions will change. But this is just flat out silly and does not make sense. Why does ET get the free pass to safety but Sloosh does not? I agree that ET is likely town but sloosh has done far more in the thread than ET has. Furthermore you're kingmaker scenario is ridiculous. A townie would not settle for a draw. There have been minor bumps, but town has outperformed mafia I think. Also like I said if you claim we're not in lylo and there's no more night kills why rush to finish the game and risk a draw/kingmaker? If you're a townie and reading this, you should not be happy with this plan when there is a possibility for a draw. Simple solution? Let's just kill Wiggles and talk some more. We have time right? You are way too adamant about their not being any more night kills. Personally I think it's rather silly that mafia we're given so little KP. Or not given some role to help them along. This game has gone on for a long time. We all know the longer a game goes the harder it is for mafia. I don't find it reasonable the hosts set this game up knowing that for the mafia to win they would have to survive 8-9 days. PM manipulation can only get you so far before you slip. You are too confident about what is going on and how the setup of the game is. Meapak too. Your plan does not make sense from a town perspective. There has to be an agenda behind it. Everyone should be able to see this. Either gonzaw is mafia (most likely) or Meapak or ET has puppet strings attached to him. I don't find that likely because gonzaw is outspoken and is able to think for himself. I don't think he would let that happen. | ||
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You guys fail to address my argument. This plan is not pro town and should not be followed. Whether you think I'm mafia or not has nothing to do with my reasoning. Any townie should be able to see this. You both fail to answer a crucial question. Why are we not just killing Wiggles today? You all claim we can just "kill people tomorrow". Like we have all the time in the world. Now you're acting like we don't have time. Obviously there is something wrong here. | ||
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On May 22 2012 09:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Katina you should reread the thread. After bugs died I jumped in a grabbed the reins for a day. I assumed I was going to die that night so I preemptively tried to make sure gonzaw would have control for the next day. Since scum ran out of KP or something neither of us have died and I see no reason to try and wrest control of the thread from gonzaw for some reason. You have no idea how much the three of us have PM'd (gonzaw and myself especially), you pushing gonzaw simply because "he's the one taking charge" is utterly ridiculous. Does that mean that townies should never take charge? I'd like to remind you that since the day I took over from WBG, my circle has killed 5 people, 3 of them are scum, and there are scum from both teams in there. While gonzaw and I have created the majority of the plans, ET was constantly kept in the loop (even on the plans that we kept secret from the thread). Had any of us been scum it would have been really easy for scum to save our targets multiple times. You really have no idea how our circle has worked so you jumping on gonzaw because he's been the most visible in the thread for the past few days is mindbogglingly dumb. As for your "crucial question" of only killing wiggles, why wait? We can win the game today. We still have no idea how scum KP works, why run the risk of the remaining scum killing one of us tonight when we can win today. I was part of the circle until the past few days so I do know how it works. It's not like you guys keep things hidden. Your last paragraph makes no sense. You just made my argument for me. We don't know how scum KP works. If us 3 die as planned and there's still a mafia alive it could be gg. If we just kill Wiggles and let things go another day then there's no risk of mafia KP interferring. And no you cannot for sure win the game today, because you don't know for sure who is mafia. This plan makes no sense in regards to the other plan. Why didn't we do this yesterday? Wiggles, myself, and sandroba were all in the majority. Why didn't you advocate killing all of us yesterday? You claimed that we had time and there was no sense taking risks. Now you want to take a huge risk. Your actions are inconsistent with the past few days. I find it hard to believe that both you (Meapak) and gonzaw are mafia, so it makes more sense that gonzaw is mafia and you are just being manipulated. Did gonzaw come up with this plan or did you? Or did ET? From my perspective and after being in your circle earlier in the game it seems most likely that gonzaw came up with this plan. Hence he is the mafia. From his perspective it makes a lot of sense. He couldn't try to enact a plan like this until there were only a few people alive and chance of interference was negligible. Don't jubjub along. There is clearly an agenda behind this plan. | ||
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On May 23 2012 04:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol you took orders from us, you were never part of the circle. You're right, we don't know how scum KP works, that's why we're killing all three of you today so we don't have to worry about scum suddenly killing us all tonight. And yes, we can for sure win today. Yesterday we made it look like we might try and multilynch to see who panicked, it worked surprisingly well tbh. Now the opportunity to kill all of you has presented itself so why not take it. If you're going to make up statements like "my actions are inconsistent" you really should at least make up some facts to back them up. As for the plans, the one that killed palmar/prp with the phony voting systems was my idea, the one yesterday that killed sandro but made it look like we were killing multiple people was gonzaw's idea. Really, you're just flailing at this point. Let's look at you for a second. You have hardly played this game at all. Other than occasional jabs at Palmar, you have refused to do anything useful what so ever. You're riding on foolishness's read of you. But suddenly, now that there's a very real chance you'll die, you're talkative. You have no real case against any of ET/gonzaw/myself so instead you're reduced to wildly throwing accusations which make no sense if you think about them logically for a second (I mean seriously, is making plans really a scum tactic?). The PM to sloosh was just icing on the cake, only a scum would feel the need to quietly try and spread distrust. If you were a townie, you could... idk... make an analysis in the thread to prove your suspicions? Could we end the day as soon as protact receives all the votes? I am certain that gonzaw is mafia now and I'm certain that you are not. This has nothing to do with me dying. If you guys had picked me and me alone to die today I would sit here and defend myself as much as I could. The problem is the plan has a clear agenda behind it. It is not pro town. As I said I don't think you are mafia but when tomorrow rolls around you have to kill gonzaw. I didn't mean to say your actions are inconsistent. The plan is inconsistent with your circle. And I'm sure gonzaw's the reason for it. Open your eyes and don't be a jubjub. | ||
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On May 23 2012 07:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If I may borrow from Ace for a minute, I feel this is appropriate: ![[image loading]](http://memearchive.net/animooted.com/original/51.gif) And if I may quote Ace for a minute, I feel it is appropriate: On August 06 2011 20:35 Ace wrote: Even dumber than 2 years ago. Player A: Prove you're Town. Player B: What? That absurdly ridi- Player A: He can't do it! Lynch him! Jubjubs (chanting): It makes so much sense! Lynch him! or the equally stupid because it's the same thing: Player A: Prove you aren't Mafia. Player B: .... Player A: He's defending himself! Lynch him! Defending yourself is a scumtell! Jubjubs: My god! Why didn't we see this before! *smacks collective forehead* There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Try to be on the ignorant side, ok? ![[image loading]](http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/150/f/2010/061/2/2/ZP___Pants_on_head_by_SasukeXIII.jpg) | ||
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On May 23 2012 10:28 gonzaw wrote: Katina, I can't take you seriously if your only reason for thinking I'm scum is "He made the plan for today". You can't say anything like "The plan is inconsistent with your circle" because you know shit about our circle. You better not make any "tomorrow" happening and follow the plan. Seriously, if one of you scum decides to fuck with us to prolong the game even further I'll rage. You can end the game right now, so we can get to the juicy stuff of Post-Game discussion, and analyzing our play, etc, instead of having to wait 72 more hours (or even more). I'm only following the plan to make the rest of these people realize you're mafia a bit faster. When ET and/or Meapak realizes I've been right this whole time I will enjoy watching you flail around like a magikarp! It's also lovely how you continue to ignore my arguments about your plan and instead counter with "lol no you mafia!" | ||
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