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On May 08 2012 08:28 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 06:32 Mementoss wrote:
Also cheers to I10f, Nova_Terra, and Paqman for wasting there votes!
Aka, voting someone who has no chance of getting lynched and not trying to actively push that player, or convince anyone else why they are scum/to vote them. I guess having your vote have no influence on the outcome at all is good for keeping away from a WIFOM vote analysis paper trail. >_> At least I voted for scum. Sorry I missed the deadline to vote, but neither N_T or blubb looked scummier than Eiii to me, so I wouldn't have known which of the two to vote for even if I was here. Especially with that last second switch that makes no sense...
It accomplished preventing a potential last-minute switch onto another candidate. Blubb had a decent case against him and I generally consider that kind of behavior after getting a lot of votes to be something scum are more likely to do than town.
It ended up not working out for the best, of course, but I'm not psychic so 
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layabout, and why he's getting my Finger of Suspicion.
#1
I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: here
In that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more.
What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case.
In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)
What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy... here: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote:
I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy. It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled. This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 20:32 blubbdavid wrote:layabout is scum. The question is: why would scum push BM? layabout was pushing BM so hard it was not even funny. Ok: layabaout, why were you so fucking desperate in pushing BM? till then, ##vote layaboutOn May 06 2012 19:51 Blazinghand wrote:On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:
I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. you wanna mess + Show Spoiler + He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this.
In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever.
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And here are two little points that need to be noted:
+ Show Spoiler [P1] +On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote:
BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on.
I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him. He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills. He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself.
+ Show Spoiler [P2] +On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote:
we should kill Palmar tomorrow Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment. When asked why, he posts this: On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote:
@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
BH is also criticising me for saying that we should kill the player that he decided to shoot.
False. I am criticizing you for saying we should kill Palmar, and not posting a case against him until 9 hours, after daybreak. Did you actually read my case? On May 07 2012 03:00 layabout wrote:
have i missed anything? Yes, my criticism is based on HOW you did what you did, not what you did. Is it really typical layabout play to make a 1-sentence accusation halfway through the night then not follow up with a case until after daybreak? Cause I had some respect for your town play... Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged. + Show Spoiler +. I posted that "we should kill Palmar" when i heard a knock at the door. Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame. And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum.
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Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote:@papapanda, The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do. Johnnywub:skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game. + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote:
Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled. On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote:
it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit. On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote:
im sorry i failed you town On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote:
bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote:
i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote:
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh The key things to note are that Johnny: - Posts a lot, this does not necessarily mean that we should expect him to have a massive filter but he does put a lot of time, thought and energy into the game as town.
- He is concerned about communicating his ideas to others and convincing them
- He is working to improve his town game
- He feels like he owes town something
I see no signs of his town game so far. johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left. + Show Spoiler [Today's post's] +On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote:
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote:lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself  On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote:
i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote:
Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking.
I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum.
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The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote:
If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them.
On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote:
frogg we are not lynching kenpachi.
don't be silly. On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote:I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:On May 06 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Yeah, I shot Palmar. He looked like scum to me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt D1 but he didn't contribute and was silent, as scum Palmar tends to be. Here's my crumb: On May 06 2012 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Man this situation just makes me want to eat my own heart Type "eat heart of" into google search (but don't hit enter) and it'll suggest "eat heart of palm" Palm -> Palmar, my target. rofl are you kidding me His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote KenpachiI'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. On May 07 2012 22:26 layabout wrote:EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information? Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 22:19 froggynoddy wrote:On May 07 2012 22:15 layabout wrote:On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote:EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence. So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contracitory/scummy because we have limited information? No, I'm saying that its less likely of being alignment indicative then actual thread activity at this point. But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does. On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 22:26 froggynoddy wrote:On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote:I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:11 Kenpachi wrote:On May 06 2012 06:48 Blazinghand wrote:Yeah, I shot Palmar. He looked like scum to me. I gave him the benefit of the doubt D1 but he didn't contribute and was silent, as scum Palmar tends to be. Here's my crumb: On May 06 2012 03:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Man this situation just makes me want to eat my own heart Type "eat heart of" into google search (but don't hit enter) and it'll suggest "eat heart of palm" Palm -> Palmar, my target. rofl are you kidding me His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:
At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote:
Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote KenpachiI'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. Ok, so... are you trying to show me that because he plays like this both as town and scum we should excuse untowny behaviour? I don't like that as an argument as untowny behaviour should always be punished. That being said I understand that perhaps this would be a better job for any vigs we have left. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro. I will keep reading through threads and see if anything convinces me. As I said, other than what I think about lynching into inactives, NT's weird post (see above post) and your hard defence on Katina seem like the strongest indications of scumminess imo. It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi.I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? S O HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM! lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread. KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard. Remind me why you wanted BM lynched.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote:
well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him
he would normally leave me around if he's town
of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote:
layabout is scum, SA is town
I will not move my vote from layabout
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Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them.
Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to;
1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while.
2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting.
3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting.
4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's.
5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout:
He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads.
I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow.
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ebwop: reason why I posted my case now instead of waiting until D3 is that I usually don't get back from my classes until a few minutes after deadline.
Also, if I die tonight I want everyone to lynch him.
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If either layabout, NT, or ghost isn't dead by morning I will be disappointed.
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On May 08 2012 12:44 Sinensis wrote:
If either layabout, NT, or ghost isn't dead by morning I will be disappointed.
I completely agree with this. layabout should be the top priority for vigi imo.
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Blazinghand
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I wish I had another bullet. Since I'm probably dead come daybreak I'm gonna do some analysis and post some cases before then.
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Blazinghand
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I agree with Sin and Paq on vig targets.
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Okay.. So I was wrong about Blubb =/
I'm going to reassess my opinion about layabout later. I just feel that so many players are not even trying to appear to act in town best interest which makes it hard to weed out the bad townies from the scum ones. (Eiii, l10f, Ghost, Grush, Kenpachi come to mind.)
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Someone I'm pretty suspicious of at the moment: johnnywup. It's getting stupid now, his inactivity. First excuse for not posting much: LIII
On May 05 2012 10:01 johnnywup wrote:
ok LIII is done I'll be a lot more active now
This was Friday evening for jdub. Quite a long time ago. So, the content came a-flowing, right? Of course not. So let's have another excuse shall we, 2 days later after his last promise to be active:
On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote:
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
So this is a different reason. Just in case we missed it, of course:
On May 07 2012 10:06 johnnywup wrote:
Like I said, I've been super addicted to this 999 game and I'll be putting a LOT more time into this game. I've been alt tabbing and reading what's going on, to keep up (I guess you can call that lurking but I've just been wanting to get all 6 endings to this game asap, but i'll town it down and be more active in thread now that I see it's an issue). If you don't believe me, fine. I don't care. It's the truth. And so, I'll be posting more now, since people are thinking I'm scummy and lurky :u
Holy shit. An entire paragraph... to explain why he's being useless. Repeated apologies, promises to do better without following through - classic scumtells.
On May 07 2012 10:11 johnnywup wrote:
Yeah, I'm watching. I guess you could say I'm not playing, or lurking, or whatever. But what I said is the truth. I'm a townie and I've just been super into a game. Anyways I'll make it up to you guys by playing much more from now on.
And again.
But wait, you might say, I saw him say something about blubb at some point once! Well, just to introduce jdub's point on blubb -
On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote:
Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial
Bold is mine. Below I quote the only attempt at analysis from jdub for an age.
On May 07 2012 11:12 johnnywup wrote:now that DYH brought up Blubb, this post caught my eye...it's a bit old but it's interesting. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush.
Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy.
Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well...
Two options:
1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest.
2. He is scum, scumming scum.
(Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol)
grush is without doubt the scummiest player here, putting up a strong (read:nonexistant) defense.
##vote grush57 PALMAR IS SCUM SO I'M VOTING GRUSH. If we assume blubb is scum here, his actions don't really have a scum agenda. But they don't really have a town agenda either. I don't get it. I don't know if that's scummy or townie or not alignment telling at all but it's just weird. ESPECIALLY since palmar flipped town. Palmar flipping town means that if blubb is scum, grush is almost definitely town. But even that doesn't make much sense because blubb made a semi-case on palmar. I don't see an agenda from town or scum here, it's just "I think one person is scum so I'm gonna vote for some other guy that I also think is scum but didn't make a case on". It's just ... weird
This is all the analysis. Let's have a look at what he's saying.
1) if blubb is scum, his actions aren't scummy. if he's town, his actions aren't townie. Not saying anything other than it's odd
2) Pointless pontification on Palmar - blubb - grush alignment connections?
3) still doesn't look townie OR scummy
4) Conclusion: stuff is 'weird'
Biggest pile of wishywashy paragraph I can imagine. No firm stances, no nothing at all, really. If that's substantial then I'll... well, I'll leave it for BH.
On May 08 2012 03:37 johnnywup wrote:
I agree with DYH and I'll be voting blubb. I had some of the same thoughts but he put it into words.
Finally things are rounded off with his sheepy vote on blubb, possibly (but not certainly?) backed up by his non-accusation quoted above.
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Currently Nova_Terra has not done anything to dissuade me from the belief he's scum, so he is still at the moment my top-read. But johnnywup is not far behind, for his incessant apologies, promises to post more, failure to deliver as such, and awful pretense at analysis/scumhunting.
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Hmmm, to me Jdub falls into the SA's list of players who: 'are not even trying to appear to act in town best interest which makes it hard to weed out the bad townies from the scum ones'. I need to have a look at NT again, I thought that blubb's case was stronger but perhaps I was wrong.
Still don't like Kenpachi btw...
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EBWOP: I mean Kenpachi's play... Obviously I love all of you guys :D
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On May 08 2012 21:25 froggynoddy wrote:
Hmmm, to me Jdub falls into the SA's list of players who: 'are not even trying to appear to act in town best interest which makes it hard to weed out the bad townies from the scum ones'. I need to have a look at NT again, I thought that blubb's case was stronger but perhaps I was wrong.
Still don't like Kenpachi btw...
But the point is jdub is perfectly capable of playing very pro-town, but in this game he seemingly refuses to. 'bad town' simply isn't a valid excuse for him.
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I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself.
Again.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
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On May 09 2012 01:34 layabout wrote:
I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself.
Again.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
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I think the point he is trying to make is you've put no commitment into any stance, basically just throwing words around at people and sheeping after the fact. The only real thing you've committed to is your defense posts. Otherwise, you just say things about people and drop the pressure or don't come to any solid conclusions about the person. It almost seems like you seem scared about calling people scum or their actions scummy, until you realize they are about to be lynched.
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I'm finding myself in a similar boat to SA. With blubb gone I see so many people with good potential for being scum. Johnny, layabout, nova, KP. I haven't even looked hard into Eiii or I10f. And ghost fits in there somewhere as well.
I feel pretty comfortable picking our next lynch from the group of Johnny, layabout, nova, and KP. I'm going to need to do some serious reviewing before I know which I want to lynch over the others though. I know that a number of you have already picked your pony for d3 (probably because I usurped you with the blubb train) but I would really appreciate it if we could present complete cases for d3 to work from. Even if that means you are repeating points from earlier in the game. The recent posts on Johnny and layabout are a nice step in this direction.
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Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little.
I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize.
Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/
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On May 09 2012 04:04 johnnywup wrote:
Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little.
I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize.
Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/
If you are town then i am leaving.
I am sick of playing with people that refuse to put in the effort.
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On May 09 2012 04:04 johnnywup wrote:
Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little.
I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize.
Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/
To the bold: what is this? Town should never lynch for further information, but rather that you're scum.
This whole post doesn't even constitute a defence.
It's not so much the general activity, it's more the broken promises. You posted that LIII finished and you'd be more active, you weren't. You claimed you would look at filters and come up with something substantial, you didn't.
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I know it's not really a defense. Whatever. I'm requesting a replacement. Sorry guys.
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On May 09 2012 04:12 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 04:04 johnnywup wrote:
Personally, I think I'm a bad lynch. But that's probably because I'm the one dying. marv's post on me is true, I'm usually more active than this. That's for a number of reasons I don't think are really relevant to the game. laya had a "sudo-FoS" on me, but I agree the non-commital-ness isn't settling. It could be looking for a weak townie (which I will admit I am this game) to lynch. But it could be me looking legitimately scummy. I can see both perspectives. But since a wagon is somewhat forming I'd like to ask you what you gain if I flip scum or town. If I flip scum, you have a dead scum, but no info regarding the other scum-members. If I flip town, you get nothing. Best case scenario, you kill a scum. Worst case scenario, you kill a vanilla townie. Killing a VT at this stage in the game isn't too bad so if push comes to shove and you're lynching me, go ahead. Town won't lose that much. But the thing is, you lose a lynch to a townie and scum gets another 2 kills. If my death confirms other suspicions I'd lynch myself. But as of now it doesn't. Not to mention I have no scum motivations for anything I've done, which albeit is little.
I don't think you have any other reason to blame me as scum other than "unwillingness to post reads or post cases or be active". Which is all inherent in inactivity. I haven't been playing to my ability and I apologize.
Bleh this is just a train of thoughts :/ If you are town then i am leaving. I am sick of playing with people that refuse to put in the effort.
Why you aren't you scum? Don't you like easy lynches?
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