EPTOn May 08 2012 11:56 PaqMan wrote:
layabout, and why he's getting my Finger of Suspicion.
#1
I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: here
In that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more.
What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case.
In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler +
In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever.
#2
And here are two little points that need to be noted:
+ Show Spoiler [P1] +
What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him.
He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills.
He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself.
+ Show Spoiler [P2] +
Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment.
When asked why, he posts this:
Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler +
And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum.
#3
Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler +
But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking.
I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum.
#4
The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi.
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That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does.
Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? SO HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM!
lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread.
KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard.
Remind me why you wanted BM lynched.
#5
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Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them.
Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to;
1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while.
2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting.
3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting.
4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's.
5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout:
He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads.
I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow.
layabout, and why he's getting my Finger of Suspicion.
#1
I'll begin with a link to his case against blubby: here
In that post, layabout makes no mention whatsoever of DYH's case against blubb. Not even a little comment, even though he made it 4 hours after DYH. I think that it's pretty obvious DYH's case on blubb influenced layabout to make his own. So I looked into it more.
What struck me as really odd, was the fact that he had no FoS, no read, nothing at all on blubb prior to DYH's case.
In fact, layabout's only mention of blubb is when SA asks him what he thinks about blubb, seen here: + Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote:
here:
This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not.
Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question.
He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this.
here:
This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not.
Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question.
He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this.
In which he makes no opinion and takes no stance whatsoever.
#2
And here are two little points that need to be noted:
+ Show Spoiler [P1] +
On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote:
BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on.
I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM.
BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on.
I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM.
What he's saying is that he wants to kill SomethingAwesome, but he's too damn lazy to build a case or make a push on him.
He's also practically asking everyone to do the scumhunting for him while he sits back and chills.
He doesn't make a read, take a stance, or form an opinion on SA. The only time he ever mentions SA is if he is defending himself.
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On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote:
we should kill Palmar tomorrow
we should kill Palmar tomorrow
Later on, he posts this little baby. Again, just like with SomethingAwesome, he makes the suggestion of wanting to kill Palmar. He made no case on Palmar besides the little comment.
When asked why, he posts this:
On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote:
@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff".
@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff".
Of course, he had his reasons for it: + Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2012 03:50 layabout wrote:
Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler +. I posted that "we should kill Palmar" when i heard a knock at the door.
Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame.
Yesterday, between the hours of (UK time) 5pm and 1 am i was otherwise engaged.+ Show Spoiler +
the FA cup final was on
Now try think of a way to write that without it sounding lame.
And I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt, mainly because there are other reasons to think he is scum.
#3
Just about more than half of layabout's posts consist only defending himself. His only other notable thing is when he puts attention and calls out jdub: + Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2012 10:00 layabout wrote:
@papapanda,
The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do.
Johnnywub:
skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700
These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game.
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The key things to note are that Johnny:
I see no signs of his town game so far.
johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left.
+ Show Spoiler [Today's post's] +
@papapanda,
The number of players that make sense is far smaller than you appear to think it is. You should treasure the ones that do.
Johnnywub:
skim through his filter from Area 53 mafia
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128&user=99700
These are some of his comments (+1 from host) after the game.
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On May 05 2012 09:18 iGrok wrote:
Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled.
Johnny is probably town MVP. Matt is scum MVP.
Also, well done by scum not to give up when St.Daniel got modkilled.
On May 05 2012 09:06 johnnywup wrote:
it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit.
it was too late, i was away and it was 5:01. also fml i feel so shitty now. I had decent reads but I can't convey reads for shit.
On May 05 2012 09:28 johnnywup wrote:
im sorry i failed you town
im sorry i failed you town
On May 05 2012 09:35 johnnywup wrote:
bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh
bleh i feel so guilty for this game. if i conveyed my reads a little better or something i dont know but bleh
On May 05 2012 09:41 johnnywup wrote:
i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh
i thought you were scum mattchew and thats primarily because you allowed an ottox lynch with 2 confirmed scum. but no one listened to me so ugh
On May 05 2012 09:49 johnnywup wrote:
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh
matt, the timing didn't make sense as town which was my second biggest issue. but no one listened to me. urghh
The key things to note are that Johnny:
- Posts a lot, this does not necessarily mean that we should expect him to have a massive filter but he does put a lot of time, thought and energy into the game as town.
- He is concerned about communicating his ideas to others and convincing them
- He is working to improve his town game
- He feels like he owes town something
I see no signs of his town game so far.
johnnywub is sitting back and watching the thread. When i called him out he instantly de-lurked, said nothing, and left.
+ Show Spoiler [Today's post's] +
On May 07 2012 04:45 johnnywup wrote:
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial
I'll be completely honest, I've been addicted to that 999 game so I haven't been posting much.
Also I don't want any gold stars. i looked at a filter, saw something odd, pointed it out. that's what all town should be doing. Speaking of which I'm gonna look over some filters now. I'll report back when I have something substantial
On May 07 2012 04:52 johnnywup wrote:
lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself
lol i love how NT says "it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd" while lurking himself
On May 07 2012 04:54 johnnywup wrote:
i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy
i just noticed that from your post and thought it was interesting. i guess it is rehashing. I'm just agreeing that it's strange and scummy
On May 07 2012 05:02 johnnywup wrote:
Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
Paqman Marv BH and Mementoss are all saying the same thing at approximately the same time? weird, maybe you just agree with one another and want to quote it as if you found it yourself? O_o
But even then, he makes no stance. He doesn't pressure jdub, doesn't make some sort fos, does nothing except call him out for lurking.
I would say that that is his only other contributing post. Read through his filter and it becomes apparent that he puts more effort into defending himself than hunting scum.
#4
The next thing I want to bring up is how quickly he comes to defend Kenpachi.
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On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote:
If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them.
If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them.
On May 07 2012 21:51 layabout wrote:
frogg we are not lynching kenpachi.
don't be silly.
frogg we are not lynching kenpachi.
don't be silly.
On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote:
I would love to know how you felt that this:
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was the best lynch to support?
Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play?
Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout.
I would love to know how you felt that this:
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On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi
On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote:
Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch.
I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT?
I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him.
Hence this quote:
His only post since D2 started.
He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive).
Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +
He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT.
##Vote Kenpachi
I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure.
Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch.
I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT?
I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him.
Hence this quote:
His only post since D2 started.
He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive).
Also this gem: + Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote:
ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE?
NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME
NO
NO
NO
WTF? NO
i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following.
by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1
i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart.
BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience.
ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE?
NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME
NO
NO
NO
WTF? NO
i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following.
by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1
i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened
such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart.
BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience.
He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT.
##Vote Kenpachi
I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure.
was the best lynch to support?
Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play?
Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout.
On May 07 2012 22:26 layabout wrote:
EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information?
But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda.
He might not even have PC acess at the momnet
EBWOP*So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contradictory/scummy because we have limited information?
But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda.
He might not even have PC acess at the momnet
That post^ is complete BS that I don't even understand how he could have possibly came to that conclusion. The only person he's been more active than is froggynoddy, and even then Froggy's posts have way more quality than KP's does.
On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote:
It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi.
I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis.
It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi.
I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis.
Again, you cannot be freaking serious. You pushed for BM's lynch, am I correct? SO HOW ARE YOU DEFENDING KP WHEN KP'S PLAY MATCHES EXACTLY LIKE BM!
lurk, lurk, lurk, inactive, spam one-liners, purposely not contribute, purposely play anti-town. KP said that he's so busy he cannot possibly play, but he could have EASILY come up with a small read/fos/case on someone. Instead, he wastes what little time he has to shit up the thread.
KP is the most anti-town player in the game right now, and you're defending him hard.
Remind me why you wanted BM lynched.
#5
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On May 05 2012 07:04 Bill Murray wrote:
well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him
he would normally leave me around if he's town
of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout
well, layabout hopping on the lynch makes me really suspect him
he would normally leave me around if he's town
of my wagon, i would like you all to lynch layabout
On May 08 2012 04:22 blubbdavid wrote:
layabout is scum, SA is town
I will not move my vote from layabout
-snipped-
layabout is scum, SA is town
I will not move my vote from layabout
-snipped-
Hmm. The victims of our mislynches both suggest to lynch layabout. And so far we're ignoring them.
Why I believe layabout to be scum boils down to;
1) Has nothing on blubb, but as soon as DYH pushes a case and lynch on him, layabout makes a weak case and pushes it forward as if he had been suspecting him for a while.
2) layabout does not create his own scumreads, does not establish his own opinions, and does not make his own stance. He has other people do the work for him, and then he starts pushing reads. Basically, he's not scum hunting.
3) All of layabout's "good, quality posts" are the only ones where he is defending himself, not doing any actual scumhunting.
4) People previously thought his analysis on Kat was an attempt at soft-defending. But after individually separating his posts, we can all clearly see how hard he is defending Kenpachi. KP's play is awfully similar to BM's.
5) I'm restating this one because I feel it's one of the stronger points against layabout:
He does not actively hunt scum. All he does is push other people's reads.
I retract my FoS on him. I'm confident that layabout is scum and I want him lynched tomorrow.
+ Show Spoiler [layabout's defense] +
On May 09 2012 01:34 layabout wrote:
I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself.
Again.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself.
Again.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
Kenpachi flipped scum? Lol.
Guess who was hard defending KP? Layabout
layabout pushed for BM's lynch.
KP played just like BM, except layabout was immediately against lynching KP.
##Vote layabout
