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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:30 johnnywup wrote: I know it's not really a defense. Whatever. I'm requesting a replacement. Sorry guys. This is so stupid. People should not be able commit to a game if this happens half way through. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 09 2012 04:57 Mementoss wrote: Johnny has been town six times in a row. He rolled scum. He does not how to play or how to act, so he lurks and places stalling posts. He pulls the pity I'm busy into I'm requesting replacement card. ??? Being inactive/finding it difficult to contribute is one thing (I'm hardly one to talk), but requesting a replacement unless there's some sort of IRL urgency is just rude no, whether you are town or scum? Anyway, lets hope your right and this is indeed some hardcore lurky scum tactic pushed to the max and our vig (should we have one left) takes care of him. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
I am unsure as to Layabout. It seems weird he would defend Katina and Kenpachi like he did if he were scum (WIFOM, i know, but still), seems way too obvious (though I don't know his town meta). The one noobie game (VIII I think) I played with NT he played really aggressive scum, which is the opposite of what he's been doing now. That said, its one thing to play aggressive in a noobie game, its quite another if you're playing in a full on game with the likes of BH, Palmar and co... If it comes between the two, I might go for Layabout. this is because a vet dodging cases and not actively scumhunting seems more suspicious to me than a noob. As I am tending towards the NT is bad noob read, and am considering Laya as scum. I'd like to consider Grush as the second lynch candidate. Some of this has been said before but I feel like its worth bringing up again in context with whats happened since Day1 I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?) Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done. It seems odd that a townie would refuse to vote against someone he thought was scum, particularly as blubb had the strongest case at the time (apart from himself). Not conclusive proof but odd nevertheless. ... more terrible reaction to pressure. He then OMGUSes Blazing hard with: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=19#376 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=19#380 Katina and Sinani then flip scum. He proceeds to make sure that everyone remembers that he: On May 05 2012 07:32 grush57 wrote: THATS RIGHT I RANDOM VOTED KATINA AND I PUT UP SINA206 FOR QUESITONING. This on its own is not alignment dependent as both townie and scum would want to try and shake either misplaced (in the former) or well-placed (in the latter) suspicion. What I think is more determining is how he followed up his play. After a brief though frankly quite weak attack on Ghost: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=37#725 (if you read this it actually has very little content... easy way to seem proactive townie but really took no effort at all) On May 08 2012 04:04 grush57 wrote: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with blubb over nova, nova seems more like a bad town than scum much more than blubb.(Did that make sense?) Plus, blubb has a good case against him, the only good case so far in the whole game yet. ##vote: Blubbdavid But what is even more odd, even though he seems pretty sure that laya and ghost are scum, he decides to vote blubb, with practically no reasoning, this makes no sense to me. If its a standard lynch then it is important that you vote for who you see is most likely to be scum and try and convince people since we don't need a town compromise in the case of a makority lynch (do I mean majority or plurality? I mean 50%+1) The rest of his filter are contentless one liners. With a little again, certainty of Ghost and layabout's guilt: On May 08 2012 06:47 grush57 wrote: However seeing I have mystical powers calling these things, I'm gonna go ahead and say layabout, ghost 403 are definite scum. No cases, no content (particularly since he was 'cleared of suspicion - which makes his lurking doubly dangerous), no stances, NOT TOWN ##Vote Grush57 | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
froggynoddy you are now confirmed town . This I already knew, what I want to know is your alignment. Your case on Grush as well as the above scum-list makes a Grush-Laya team exceedingly unlikely (which was one of the /easyhypotheses I was considering). NT's , in my eyes weak/case on papaganda feels like it could be a last ditch attempt to throw off suspicion by picking on a lurker, still not as convinced on NT as I am of Grush. Laya picked up on the odd voting habits of grush and points it out in his case (better than I did), which to me seems townie (at least more so than NT). Of the 3 others on your list i find Eiii the most suspicious due to his wanton sheeping and lack of content. I think NT is a more lynchable candidate though, not to mention your good self (should I somehow be wrong about grush). | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 10 2012 05:21 grush57 wrote: HAHAHAHAH well froggynoddy and layabout are confirmed scum, they just both went on my case as it was a coincidence, even though both cases suck. GL getting the town to lynch with you. Nice OMGUS... again. If you want to defend yourself, do it. If you want to write a case against me (despite you doing it as a result of OMGUS), do that too. for the moment you have some weird weak WIFOM attack against me. Why the hell would scum purposefully double case and then make it look like an accident with Laya saying that I'm confirmed town??? (i'm pretty sure it was a sarcastic comment as people had been attacking him for not making a stand... which is what I just did... an english trait I'm sure) At worst its alignment independent. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
Am at work tomorrow but will try and be available during the day (UK time). g'night | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote: Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town. 1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? As much as this list puts me in a good light this is plain stupid, all scum have to do is hit the bottom half of the table that isnt them and they hugely increase their chance of winning, we are still ahead, lets hunt scum not use some hald-arsed policy lynch (which is essentially what this is). Not only that but the fact that you've posted this during the night, thus feeding them essentially a priority list. The only person who is pretty much confirmed town to the rest of us is BH (the only situation I can see where he is not is that he is bomber... but I don't know if one could place a bomb and detonate the same day... regardless this possibility is like less than 1% IMO), l10F, rather than make a list, make a detailed case of Eiii and Marv (your top two scum reads), and if either of you is town... MAKE AN EFFORT TO DISPUTE THAT CASE!! The main reason I think Grush and/or NT are most likely to flip scum is that they have been absolutely terrible at arguing against a case that has been presented to them (as well due to as the cases themselves). This, more than lurking (I would say) is hurting town the most as if you were town you would wnat town's energies to be diverted onto a more valid target. One of the goals of any townie is too make sure that if a case is put against you that you dismiss it allowing town to focus on a valid target. No-one has done this apart from layabout (and we lynched him -_-). Either you are scum that cannot defend a case brought against you or you are wasting town's energy and time (which is starting to become a more serious factor) by not adequately defending yourselves. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
I still think Grush and NT are most likely to flip scum. And as Grush has been marginally more useless than NT, and my and laya's cases still have not been addressed. My vote is sticking to Grush. Eiii and Grush and NT need to be more active. The next 24 hours should be enough to prove yourselves to the rest of us that you aren't completely useless to town (at least not purposefully so). ##Vote Grush57 | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 12 2012 12:39 PaqMan wrote: I have read through Day 1. It's much easier to read now that we know who's blue. I am liking a NT lynch and for now I will be putting my vote onto him. Thanks for vote list. I agree I don't think its all that conclusive, will keep looking though. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
Town is dying from inactivity... Those people who want to lynch Eiii over N_T or grush (which is beyond me), give reasons that distinguish him from the other lurkers/low content posters. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 13 2012 00:57 Nova_Terra wrote: And blazinghand told me to quote the exact posts, dont say that i shouldnt copy and paste posts *sigh*, if you actually put in to reading my post then you'd realise I'm not saying don't quote posts accurately, its just your analysis should be more than just block copying another player's case, with no logical premise, conclusion... nothing. If you think that everything you posted is in any way conclusive or even makes sense then you are seriously mistaken. Thats not to say I don't think Eiii is scummy, just that the effort you (amongst others) are putting into the game is pitiful. If I wasn't so sure you're more likely to be just terrible townie than Grush you'd have my vote. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 13 2012 20:33 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure what is so bad about someone looking into a dead townie's suspicions. And while Sinensis' look at l10f was brief, looking at the use of language isn't a bad way to analyse someone's posts. I called N_T out on this also. Rather than say 'layabout says he's scummy, therefore he is scummy' its better to say 'This point: XXX raised by layabout is convincing because of Y with relation to Z'. Otherwise you get appeal from authority which is not a valid statement. People have been seriously lazy in their scumhunting, BH on N_T as well as laya's (and my cases) on Grush being the exceptions IMHO. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
@Paqman: Your case on Sinensis is better than what anyone has done so far and he seems scummier than both L10F and Eiii. The main reason for me being is that both Eiii and l10F have contributed whilst being pressured and then continued (in l10F's case at least) to try (though poorly) to be helpful to town, and though their defences so far have been pretty piss poor, Sinensis has managed to slide away from any attention through aggressive early voting. I still don't understand how Grush is still alive and unfortunately I still think he's on my strongest scum reads, in this town he has played exactly how to play scum... i.e. don't contribute lest someone attacks you and let town disintegrate (as it has). As I have been the only one (since Laya's death) to be onto him, me alone is not a threat and therefore no need to contribute (if scum), if town there is always a need to contribute. That being said I propose the following, town consolidates over one player, vote and force him to respond and take into consideration that response if considering a lynch. Practically all those who have been lynched have responded too late and so town had no choice but to go on with their lynch. If you are town your job is to stop being mislynched! (I can't believe I have to write that explicitly, but N_T and Grush seem to have not understood this). For me my two scum reads are Grush and Sinensis in that order. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
That being said I am unconvinced regarding l10F. I think we are making too much of a mountain over a molehill regarding l10F's 'list'. As Marv pointed out regarding Sinensis, it seems dumb, be it as townie or scum. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 16 2012 02:14 marvellosity wrote: The fact he made the list is only a fraction of the whole case... I know, it just seems to be recurring constantly and I don't think its indicative of alignment, I'd like to hear from themselves though. (Sinensis and l10F that is) | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
though, Sinensis 'I don't need to defend myself' attitude and giving no reason behind his vote apart from feelings (really? when we ccan basically only afford one more mislynch) Ok so have got my end of year exam today. I will come back to the thread before lynch to see if people come to their senses and vote Grush. If not I think a Sinensis vote seems best. ##Vote Grush57 FYI: The two non-day 1 cases layas: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=57#1135 mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=52#1027 | ||
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