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On May 04 2012 22:58 Mementoss wrote:
BH, I agree with most of your points on Nova Terra I actually had the same notes as you did. His response today was also lackluster. In the games I played/observed with when he was vanilla town he was all over the place trying to push discussion. I think his "im intimidated by vets" is just an excuse for him to lurk and post when it feels convenient. Not committed to saying anything solid, stuff like I don't think hes scum for sure, and I'll keep him in the back of my mind. It could be a situation where Nova rolled scum.
Grushes case is a strange one for sure. It's one of the only cases made in this game so far, and he just crumbled and gave in and played the pity me card. This could be a town or mafia trait, the only interesting thing to me is how hard it has been to get votes onto him, 4 in about a day, and the fact that a lot of people are just dropping one liners defending him without proper reason and jumping onto the next person. Still think there is a good chance he could be scum.
Here is our only inactive atm (plenty of lurkers right now):
Beneather
Also, Layabout what song are you listening to?
Don't talk about Beneather. No reason to. When/If he post he will be a target for now leave him be.
On May 04 2012 14:46 Nova_Terra wrote:
i resent the fact that many of the players here are well known and have much more sway because of it. I dont even feel like posting when someone will just as easily do something else and get followed.
And also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum.
Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd.
This post is just wrong in so many ways. First of all you are trying to point out that you feel the vets are pushing this game around? Which vets? Palmar(With his 4 posts of nothing)? BH(Who is his usual aggressive self)? Drazerk in the hydra? who else? This game is very low on so called Vets. The perfect oppotunity for you to push your thoughts and ideas through.
Not posting is never really a good idea. Not saying its necesarily bad but rarely good.
I just don't understand the reason for posting this unless you feel you made the perfect case and no one listened... which is clearly not the case...
Mementoss: Don't use the "Its hard to get votes for him so he must be scum" reasoning. Thats stupid. There are only 5 scum that leaves 22 townies. So if he is scum 18 townies haven't voted him...
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On May 05 2012 00:20 froggynoddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:45 SomethingAwesome wrote:
Don't talk about Beneather. No reason to. When/If he post he will be a target for now leave him be.
why? Inactives and lurkers are killing this day 1, its allowign scum to hide amongst them. I'd almost be up for changing my vote onto him if it gets him to contribute. I aso agree with Mementoss, Grush's case is weak but its the only case we have.
He havent posted yet. He isn't lurking he is just not here. If he pops up I'll bring my entire wrath down on him but until he does he is a modkill to me so I see no reason to waste time arguing over him.
So you think we should kill Grush because its the only case? You don't really care who we lynch?
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On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote:@ SomethingAwesome i feel like killing you because you were posting stuff like this and this. You first post is totally unsubstantiated. You were asked by multiple player to explain you second post but your explanation is very weak Show nested quote +Answering for others IMO is super scummy because it means you know what they are thinking and what their motivations are, aka what alignment they are. Even though townies answer questions addressed to others all of the time. Why would you try to analyse the contents of that quote? How on earth could saying "Me is hardcore BLU" have any relation to that players alignment? @ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains" since we still have no real candidate ##vote Bill Murrayreasons: anti-town when town anti-town when scum lurks a lot when he is active he is disruptive This is a policy lynch.
Wow you really don't like my other head.
I won't answer on his behalf, but I do find your case rather weak. You have taken the "answering other people questions" out of context. I agree that townies answer question intended for others all the time, but answering with other peoples thought and way of thinking (which is the way I understood my other head) is quite scummy.
I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.
(I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far)
##Vote Layabout
//Dirk
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Care to explain yourself why its BS instead of getting other people to find excuses for you?
//Dirk
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On May 05 2012 05:26 layabout wrote:point 1 i hope that this is your way of calling me scummy and not jsut saying that you have a personal dislike you me point 2 Show nested quote +His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier well for one thing i wrote this yesterday: Show nested quote +
I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM.
time passed and no decent candidate emerged <------- the reason why it was a better option than it was at the very start of the day so i voted for BM point 3 Show nested quote +The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas You are just saying "because of what DYH said". However, his point was that my post was not addressing what was going on in the thread and he speculates that this is because i was not confortable posting about blubs play. That was not the case, i did not add more to that discussion because it was baseless, fruitless, pointless and made my left eye weep. see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591633point 4 Show nested quote +If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM. see point 2
Point 1: You know the answer. Yes its my way of calling you scum. (I actually like you on the internetty-way i know you =))
Point 2: Again: If you think killing me is good you must think there is a chance I'm scum (or you are scum) then why policy lynch BM instead of making a case on me and try to lynch me off? (and no, you point 4 is not a valid answer)
Point 3: Yes its me agreeing with DYH. I also found the post generic and "fluff". In it self not really scummy but put in context like DYH did it becomes scummy - combined with your other posts. You explanation however does also make sense...
Point 4: See point 2. Not a valid answer.
For the record this hydras two heads does not reall agree on your allignment. But this will make it easier for us...
//Dirk
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##Vote BM
Consolidating like a baus!
//Dirk
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On May 05 2012 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Town: 0-1
Modkills: 2-1
Don't worry guys Kurumi's got us covered
You always make me laugh BH! =)
//Dirk
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question: Why was Sloosh and the bad hydra killed? There are always reasons for scum to kill who they kill. So I went through dem filters...
Sloosh might have been killed for his good reads on d1. With FoS'ing sinani and voting katina.
BlackRaven might have been killed out of fear from a relatively strong combination of players in Drazerk and Hassy.
What they did have in common in the end is this:
On May 06 2012 05:37 slOosh wrote:He spends some time with blubbdavid incident, concludes that what he did (asking powerrole) is scummy but then moves onto Grush, fosing him for "obvious reasons". Clearly pushing along BM wagon, with reasons like Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:47 johnnywup wrote:
I'm gonna vote for BM because I don't want him to survive to lategame. He's disruptive to scumhunting. not because he is scum. Could be residual stress from LIII so not totally conclusive. Has responded unreasonably aggressively to pressure. Conclusion: Probably scum.
Sloosh think Jdub is scum. Triggered by questions from BR. BR was also hinting a scumread on Jdub earlier with:
On May 05 2012 23:03 BlackRaven wrote:Yo jdub, mind telling me your thoughts now? Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:00 johnnywup wrote:
not really, we're lynching for being anti-town regardless of allignment, anyone who voted to lynch him shouldn't get any credibility. Still feel that way about credibility? Because that shoots yours out the window as well. :3
And the question asked to sloosh.
Other then that BR wanted to lynch Layabout and Blubbdavid.
I'm not basing my own read on this as its pure wifom. But I'll keep it in the back of my mind and so should you.
//Dirk
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Blubbdavid: You think layabout is scum or not?
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The answer to that seem fairly obvious don't you think? BM was town...
If thats the best question you can ask layabout something must be wrong here...
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When did Grush become fairly town to you?
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Since no one is talking I'm going to dish out homework:
Ghost_403: Make a case on kenpachi. What do you think about him so far? What do you make of his Marv, NT and layabout scum team?
Kenpachi: Still think the 3 mentioned above are scum? If yes why?
Eiii: What do you think about I10f's few posts? That he havent said anything original at all? Do you think he have said anything original? (and whats your read on Mementoss now?)
I10f: What your read on Eiii? What do you think about him not wanting to discuss anything during the night?
Everyone: Who is the best lynch between Blubbdavid or papapanda?
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You still have a question unanswered pal...
But i'll oblige.
Yes I think Layabout is scum. And no I don't think layabout is scum. This hydra is not in unison on that subject. Personally (Dirk here) I would lynch layabout seven ways from sunday. Lately though I'm feeling I'm balking up the wrong tree. Reason for that being you, blubb. And I'll tell you why.
When I read some of your posts it seems like you know peoples allignment. Which is also why you are looking for evidence and questioning layabouts scum thoughts... You are leaving yourself a way out if he flips town.. which if you are scum you know he will. Your vote on layabout doesn't feel heartfelt. Its more the case of "Oh shit everyone else is voting him".
Panda is just another nullread for me...
Now answer my question...
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It was never a good idea to lynch BM. But it was also never a bad idea. Like I wrote during D1 I was indifferent whether BM died or not. So I consolidated and we lynched him. Who else was there? NT? Grush? No one was supporting my layabout lynch, not even my other head.
You are not a nullread to me. I just have to figure out whether you are town or scum... (Don't worry.. It makes sense)
Ghost: Looking forward to your input. Make it a good one, pretty please?
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 01:08 ghost_403 wrote:Alright! All caught up. @BH: My cat was probably not on fire. If he was, I wouldn't know. Gave him to my old roommate, and he moved to California. Hope the cat's okay. I'd better check. That said, you were completely right, being gone like this is against my meta, and I wouldn't blame you for shooting me tonight. I hope to convince you otherwise by actually being useful to the town. I'll make you a deal: I'll help you find the three scum in the game, then you can shoot me. Sound good?
@somethingawesome: It's very strange that you ask me to make a case on Kenpachi. He's been flying under the radar for quite some time now, why did you bring it up out of the blue? To actually answer your question, this post is the only post of his I've read in this game that doesn't sound 100% kenpachi. I'm not sure what to make of it quite yet. That's not enough for me to think he's scum, but it's enough for me to keep an eye on him for a while. As far as the marv, layabout, NT scum team? Marv probably rolled scum. In my notes on him, I have that the first thing he did this game was push a BM policy lynch. As much as I dislike paying with BM (sorry bro), I despise policy lynching insane players. See any game I've been in. Pushing a policy lynch on someone like him is an excuse not to scum hunt, and he goes on my naughty list. In addition to that, he pushed a case on l10f based on two posts. Seriously? He's not here, that doesn't make him scum. Most of the argument against layabout comes from his "hard defense" of Katina. That's not a hard defense at all. Saying a rather good player is moderately intelligent and shouldn't be lynch so early in the game is just good play. Nova_Tera reacted rather poorly to kenpachi's case against him, which struck me as scummy. Not enough to lynch him quite yet, but eough that I would keep my eye on him. Of the three, I would most like to lynch Marv.
Gold star to JDub for being the first person to call me out for not posting here in two or three days. Another person I find scummy is grush, who claimed that he called out Katina and Sinani for being scum during day 1. Postmortem bus? Wut? Also, fuck you, Panera Bread. I want more than 30 minutes of internet during my lunch. + Show Spoiler +Turkey sandwich and french onion soup today, very tasty.
Woah... Stop...
You want to lynch marv because he is pro policy lynching (early D1), but you fail to mentioned layabouts super all-in policy lynch on BM late D1? I somewhat agree with you about the katina defence thingy but you condemn Marv for policy lynch but not lay?
I brought up kenpachi specificly because he isn't chiming in on the whole game we call mafia. (also why I asked you, Eiii and I10f)
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I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)
What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy...
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On May 07 2012 03:32 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)
What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy... And I like you less and less. Considering that you are two persons, you have contributed laughably little content. And what is up with this one: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 06:14 SomethingAwesome wrote:
##Vote BM
Consolidating like a baus!
//Dirk ? Consolidating layabouts train?
Maybe start reading the thread:
On May 07 2012 00:56 SomethingAwesome wrote:
It was never a good idea to lynch BM. But it was also never a bad idea. Like I wrote during D1 I was indifferent whether BM died or not. So I consolidated and we lynched him. Who else was there? NT? Grush? No one was supporting my layabout lynch, not even my other head.
You are not a nullread to me. I just have to figure out whether you are town or scum... (Don't worry.. It makes sense)
Ghost: Looking forward to your input. Make it a good one, pretty please?
And considering we are 2 people doesn't mean jack. I'm at least doing this hydra because I didn't have the time alone. I'm guessing its the same for matt. And mostly you just don't like me because I think you are scum...
On May 07 2012 03:18 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 03:10 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I'm beginnging to like you Lay. Now find me scum! =)
What do you think about blubb? I think he is fishy... here: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote:
I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy. It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled. This is a strange thing to assert when as a townie you do not know who scum are and if they thought that Katina was coming back or not. Also when he votes for me he emphasises that it is to get me to answer his question. Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 20:32 blubbdavid wrote:layabout is scum. The question is: why would scum push BM? layabout was pushing BM so hard it was not even funny. Ok: layabaout, why were you so fucking desperate in pushing BM? till then, ##vote layaboutOn May 06 2012 19:51 Blazinghand wrote:On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:
I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. you wanna mess + Show Spoiler + He begins by saying that i am scum. If he believes this then surely that should be the reason for his vote. By saying that he wants a response he gives himself a way to back out of pushing me. If he truly believes that i am scum then he would have no reason to do this.
I saved this little gem I wrote up earlier that just further the thought process that Blubb knows peoples allignment:
On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote:
I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy. It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled. Now to the harder part: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 09:23 layabout wrote:
Can't stay it's real late.
But:
How is " i think that a player is intelligent i don't think we should lynch them" a hard defence?
Does giving evidence as to why you think they are intelligent when asked and then saying that you felt something they did something scummy constitute a hard defence?
Why did layabout react to 2 votes on layabout when grush was in the lead with 5 votes with hours left and 13-ish players were yet to vote?
@Mementoss i thought we should lynch Palmar over "any other lurker" because he showed basically no interest in the lynch at all. Palmar is lazy as scum but when he town he usually bothers to do ... "stuff". (btw don't talk about you in 3rd person, it is confusing) [1]Why did layabout want to policy lynch BM, when there was an easy victim to gang up? Will think about it during lunch.
I'm not much for scumslips... But...
[1]How do you know that grush is a victim? You have thought that grush was scummy for the most part of this game. He even tried pushing grush's lynch late D1. You haven't publicly chanced your stance on him but now Grush was an easy victim? (He later did say he found grush town)
What if grush is also scum? Layabout moving focus to BM because of that? Yet your logic say that isn't possible because you already know that Grush is innocent? Is that it?
I don't want to go through his filter again but does it seem like Blubb is always following what other people think? (okay I skimmed it anyway) First he vote Grush D1 after several others did so. Then he was ok with a BM or Palmar lynch (after others had posted similar thoughts about lycnhing some of the lurkers). His suspecion of layabout, which i claims he had since D1, came AFTER I had make my first post calling him scum.
//Dirk
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On May 07 2012 14:05 DoYouHas wrote:Part 1I suppose I should start with far and away the scummiest of blubbdavid's posts and then tack on all the extras after to seal the deal. Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 04:27 blubbdavid wrote:1. Somethingawesome, still think I am not scum? 2. How about you lynch me, or are you too cautious because it could reveal your whole scumplan? I need action, not words. 3. You are buddying up with layabout instead of scumhunting. Cast your vote on the one you think is the most scummy player. You say that I know layabout's alignment (mind reading), BUT: Is my concern illegitimate? You are circling around the actual matter: Why did layabout push BM so hard? Come on, tell me. 4. Furthermore: BM was a lurker, and yes, a lynch on him wouldn't have been out-of-normal, but the intensity with which layabout has pushed BM surprised me. And I have been pushing on lay since I saw that he wanted to policy lynch BM although he vowed not to policy lynch. about Palm: On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote:
Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well...
Two options:
1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest.
2. He is scum, scumming scum.
Seems like the first option was true. grush: I may have sheeped on this vote, I admit but I didn't sheep with the vote of layabout I want to see some action of you, SA. 1. This is awkwardly phrased considering SA had just said that he thinks blubb is scum. 2. Daring SA to try and lynch you? Where is this coming from? For someone who has played the "my bad, don't hold it against me" card as well as a "I give up" defense this is extremely out of character and scummy. Not only that, he states his read that SA is scum because SA doesn't want to vote for him yet which immediately makes his next statement absurd. 3. This is the part that really got me wanting to lynch blubb. Let us think about this ridiculous scenario that blubb has put forth between SA and layabout. Supposedly at this point blubb believes both SA and layabout to be scum, or at the very least highly suspicious. So in what world does it make sense that one scum(SA) is going to 'buddy' ANOTHER SCUM(laya), another scum who just happens to be under a fair bit of scrutiny atm. Even forgetting the scrutiny part it doesn't make sense. In blubb's attempt to defend against SA's claim that blubb seemed to know people's roles he slips again and gives us this buddying scenario. The only way that it can possibly make sense is if blubb KNOWS that layabout is town.4. Didn't sheep the vote of layabout, true, but then there is this: For someone who has been fixated on attacking others (mainly layabout) for pushing a BM lynch you were awful ready to jump on the train to secure the lynch.
Part 2Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 02:54 blubbdavid wrote:
I am also willing to lynch BM if there's no majority on grush.
But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum.
I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone.
And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. Seriously, obtaining information is more important than lynching scum D1 according to blubb. This is the reasoning he uses to say that BM was a bad lynch. This is just so incredibly wrong from a town POV. Lynch a lurker scum d1 you get all the info of the people fighting/pushing the lynch + the chance to get rid of a scum power + YOU JUST KILLED SCUM, CMON. Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f. Well, jdup has made a good post regarding layabout's behaviour On May 06 2012 08:46 johnnywup wrote:
I think it is condemning, scum over-reacts to things like that (at least i think, ive never actually played scum). Of course laya didn't know kat would be modkilled, which is why it is condemning. If we didn't know kat's flip, it wouldn't be bad for either of them. It's just a townie pushing his reads on another person he thinks is townie, right? Since kat flipped, no. I don't know, the flip makes me think laya is more scummy. It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled. blubb quotes JW's good post on laya's behavior and then does what? Reinforce a point(s) he liked? no. Expand or provide further analysis? no. What we get is this statement, "It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled." What purpose does this serve? This statement isn't, "I also think it took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled." or "If it took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled then...". I think that the lack of relevance paired with the certainty on something that shouldn't have been able to go past speculation makes this likely to be a scumslip.
Part 3Inconsistencies and WIFOM: Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 19:31 blubbdavid wrote:
I have no read on Nova, he is pretty neutral atm.
And I will stop tunneling grush for the time being, maybe he will come up with something useful.
Still, I would be interested in papapanda's opinion.
And katina, do some scumhunting. What is your opinion on grush?
blubb calls out Katina which normally would mean that blubb would have taken note of Katina's past posts as well as be waiting for a response to this call out. Then we get this: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:36 blubbdavid wrote:
^yeah, everyone will probably jump a wagon.
and layabout, you seem to be very very defensive, considering the fact that you only have 2 votes on you.
I have to look into katina yet. This is after I made my case and slOosh had switched his vote. A consistent blubb would already have been up to date on Katina and this comment would have been either been accepting, refuting, or critiquing my case instead of playing at being ignorant. WIFOM: Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote:
I have a suspicion:
What if BM is scum, but doesn't want to play/ doesn't have time, so he sacrifices himself for the other scum? There are a few more examples of each I could pull for this section, but I feel like I would just be diluting my argument.
TLDR: blubbdavid is scum, scumming scum ##Vote: blubbdavid
Quoting because people should really be reading this. And not let it get drowned in a flood of useless one-liners. Can we please get back to more substanciated posts? While I'm quite busy right now I won't write my own thoughts about Blubb right now. I've already written some yesterday and called him scum. DYH's case just do it so much better.
##Vote Blubbdavid
//Dirk
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On May 06 2012 19:50 blubbdavid wrote:
I see, Blazinghand is switching cases so it looks like he doesn't sheep l10f.
--snipped--
On May 07 2012 03:27 blubbdavid wrote:
Do I truly believe that you are scum? No. Is there a high possibility that you are scum? Yes. And you dodged my question by writing three lines of that say all the same thing.
Just a few quotes to add about Blubb.
The first one, why is he saying that about BH? He is basicly confirmed vig by now. No one have counter claimed and mafia don't have a night vig. He just want to paint anyone as scum and he fell over that little thing. But it doesn't make sense for a townie to call out BH on that...
Second one. Doesn't make sense. Either he think layabout is scum or not. It can't be both. If you think someone have a "high possibility" to flip scum you push them until they are lynched or dead. I've pushed people on a hunch but Blubb won't state that layabout is scum even though he think its a "high possibility"? You can't get a better read then "High possibility". He is not going all out because he already know layabout's allignment.
On May 07 2012 04:54 blubbdavid wrote:
SA, you didn't answer that question about layabout that has been bugging me. It's even something that makes him townier in my eyes (still scum though), and yet you are unable to build on it.
And action = vote, calling somebody scum several times and not voting is definitely NOT action. It's more like "i make the impression i am active but i better wait till a wagon forms".
If layabouts push of BM makes him look townie to Blubb's eyes, how come he still think he is scum? Most other people who find layabout scum are because of the fact he pushed a lurker who flipped town (and layabouts katina defence thingy).
Also, why is he asking me to "build" on something layabout did? How should I know?
All in all Blubbdavid is just throwing suspecion around because he don't care who gets lynched (besides his 2 mates).
Blubbdavid is scum.
Vote him now!
//Dirk
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