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SamuelLJackson needs to sign their posts and you need to show that you're actually two people playing for town. You're likely going to be the strongest town player and I expect that to show in your play and I'm gonna complain about any weird stuff from you because, no. | ||
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When I say "need" I don't mean that it's a game rule or anything, it's just something I want them to do to show transparency. Otherwise there can be big discussion about "Oh, not that wasn't be that was him who said that I don't know what it's about". Signing posts is never going to hurt anyone and it might prevent a great deal of confusion so they're going to sign their posts. Agree? | ||
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I doubt that's a realistic scenario, they're both going to have opinions and they're not necessarily going to be the same. And even though sandroba can be really persuasive, Toadesstern knows that this game essentially revolves around him. They're both going to have opinions. We hydra'd that time in that Palmar game and I don't believe we agreed on a single thing?  No matter what, there's no harm in them signing their posts, if they both have the same opinion then they can just sign with both their names or whatever. How do you feel about random lynching day1 based on sports results? | ||
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I'll leave you guys to discuss the second part 'cause it's likely the best we have in the thread right now (other than you jumping on it when it's obviously absolutely nothing). Where is VisceraEyes? We're like 30 minutes into the game already. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UUod2.png) All Glory To The Hydra Toad | ||
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On April 22 2012 08:00 MrZentor wrote: Aww, I was going to say that they needed to sign their posts.  I would like some people such as VE and BL to get in here, as this thread is so dull. ##Vote MrZentor Yea, why are you voting for yourself? What can VisceraEyes and Bluelightz do about the thread being dull that the rest of us (including you) can't? I just made a picture, how's that dull? You seem rather upset that you didn't get to make a hollow contribution with the hydra-sign thing. What gives? | ||
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You are being very nonconstructive here, you could easily answer that second question a lot better, instead you focus on how the other questions apparently aren't up to your standards. Calling me scum out of the blue doesn't help anyone either. There, no stupid questions, just facts. @strongandbig: I asked them to sign their posts because it would be good for town, I'm sure you agree. This was discussed for the first 5 posts in the game when it's traditionally hard to find stuff to talk about. Then I moved on and encouraged other people to do the same. | ||
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I hope that MrZentor isn't the best we can do right now even though he's on the scummy side. @Radfield Why you want to vote VisceraEyes or me? | ||
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 I can't make sense of MrZentor. I know that traditionally I'm biased when it comes to people accusing me. The thing about MrZentor is that I think that his initial aggression against me looks really fake and forced, I could easily write a bigger post on this. Is there anything about his initial aggression that seemed genuine to you? Do you have any reason to think he is on the townie side other than "scum don't usually attract attention to themselves like that"? | ||
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In his last (and only?) scum game (Death Factory Mafia 2), he was caught by an analysis exposing his passive non-committal posting. It looks to me like he's over compensating right here and that the attention is just a by product. | ||
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Your VisceraEyes analysis is extremely naïve. VisceraEyes has played like 30 games (at least!) and he's seen people claim town many times before, don't you think he has both the stomach and the brain to concoct and accomplish a plan as devious as claiming town when he's actually not? How do you feel about him hiding it in a spoiler then, since you're saying that he is displaying a lack of fear typical for a townie? Has Kenpachi never been scum? | ||
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On April 23 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote: No, you misunderstand me a little I think. I was saying in Space Station he played suspiciously/scummy on thread and he was town there. Similar could appply here. Are you saying that some scenario could apply in this situation? You're absolutely right!.. But it's a lot more interesting to discuss whether or not it actually does apply in this situation. How do you feel about MrZentor self voting allegedly just to see responses (kind of admitting it is out of character) and then when I respond to it he's says it I am just asking stupid questions, even though I am just questioning some odd post (which is what townies generally do)? | ||
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Just so you know he's not always this non-committal with his reads on day1. | ||
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Also, it was arguably Radfield who got the mason discussion going when he asked you what you thought about masons. What did you gain from that discussion other than potentially helping a couple of masons? On April 23 2012 22:24 Ace wrote: [...] True. But the amount of content in that game and the obvious nature of the Palmar's scummy behavior that game led to me calling him out. You can also go back and find games where I've just relaxed the first few days giving no Scum reads and showing up later to get the party started. Posting 1 game out of the many I've played as some sort of proof is just ridiculously stupid don't you think? I feel like your trying to force something that isn't there. Force what? I literally say that "[you're] not always this non-committal with [your] reads on day1" and then I post a game where you are not this non-committal with your reads on day1 to proof it. The only thing I am trying to force is some reads from you. I'm perfectly aware that I can find games where you are this non-committal day1 (like, the recent Space Station in which we just both played) so I'm not saying "he's never this non-committal day1". I'm in no way misrepresenting anything here, if anybody is forcing anything it's you forcing the notion that I'm trying to force something (yea!). @marvellosity It's ludicrous to suggest that MrZentor was in any way close to this level of aggressiveness in Space Station. I think when townies change their play so drastically they almost always have a clear thought process behind it and I'd like to hear what MrZentor's is, but I don't expect to be impressed. | ||
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On April 23 2012 22:58 Bluelightz wrote: [...] prp because he persists on saying VE is scum for one reason below. .... "yo dude VE is TOTALLY SCUM for ONLY claiming town." I don't like that, your arguing that VE is scum ONLY because of him claiming town, If you REALLY want to convince me that VE is scum, by any means PLEASE use other reasons for why he is scum, he may as well be unavailable as well. Here, I argue this again, Would ANY Scum (that is not Kenpachi, try for example BloodyC0bbler or L) put himself up in the spotlight? I want to believe your town, but your persistence in this topic is making me seriously doubt this. [...] Please be so kind as to show me the post in which I say that VisceraEyes is scum. Especially the one where I say that he is scum because he said that he was "town". I'm attacking your argument that he is town because he said that he was town because I think it's a bad argument for saying ANYTHING about his alignment. Just because I'm attacking your argument for him being town doesn't mean that I think that he's scum. I am suspicious of him, but for other reasons. Also, Radfield always likes to keep his cards close to him until the last possible moment as town. That's just how he plays, I have no idea why you (and partially also phagga?) think that this means that he is scummy or that it is against his meta. If he says you'll have an explanation then you'll likely have that explanation, just wait and judge him by that. | ||
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On April 23 2012 23:17 SamuelLJackson wrote: @prpl so if you don't think ve is scum and don't wanna lynch him, what the fuck is the point in attacking BL's argument? What exactly does that accomplish for town? When exactly did I say that I don't want to lynch VisceraEyes? I don't think it's ideal when people are using bad arguments, especially not to show why suspicious people are town. Duh. | ||
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On April 23 2012 23:56 SamuelLJackson wrote: "Just because I'm attacking your argument for him being town doesn't mean that I think that he's scum. I am suspicious of him, but for other reasons." Reasons other than him possibly being scum? And you want to lynch him for those reasons? How about you stop telling me what you are not saying and actually tell me wtf you ARE saying. "being scum" is a pretty good reason for lynching people but I don't know if anybody is scum. I think that his defense of MrZentor was really weird and he's no where near as active as I'd like him to be. I don't want to lynch him as much as I want to lynch MrZentor right now but I think that a lot of people still need to speak up before I can make my mind up. MrZentor is the best thing right now in my opinion but I don't think it's bulletproof at all. | ||
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90 minutes until lynch, I'll be here up until deadline (horay eurofriendly deadlines!) Honestly, if I had a gun I'd shoot MrZentor. His initial aggression seems fake to me and he's pretty much quit this game and apparently doesn't want to be a part of the lynch. It's just too much bullshit and I see no explanation for this. I think he should be our go-to-lynch today. @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:56 phagga wrote: WTF where I have been buddying you? So because I did not realize that you made the same terrible move that he did I'm suddenly buddying you? If you think everyone is your friend who is ignoring you then you have strange concept of buddies. In your posts. Yea, kinda. I don't even understand that last sentence. You seem to be overreacting a bit here. | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:59 marvellosity wrote: Where was the indignation? I'm just looking at the flow of the game and the votes objectively. I've not been terribly productive because I've not found anything to be terribly productive about. I've been transparent that I've had null scum reads. I've asked on separate occasions what the cases were on VE and on Radfield to try to get a handle on anything, but I wasn't responded to. I voted for Snarfs because s&b's case seemed coherent, and like I said Snarfs' defence seemed to be meta and he wasn't backed up on it. I admitted my Day 1s were bad, because clearly my Day 1s are bad. This is just the way things are the way I see it at the moment. How are they clearly bad? Do you often find yourself in this situation? | ||
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If you are town, you admittedly did dumb shit to attract attention and now you're all crazy about the fact that it got you some. If you are scum then we're quite right. You're in no way innocent, people are just being narrow minded about this. They all think you're innocent because you voted yourself and that's really a flaky reasonable. Now, will you tell me why you decided to be all piss and vinegar in the beginning of this game? Because I'm really interested in that. The lynch is in 45 minute and you are not likely to accomplish any of what you just wrote about. Also, Ace is about to get modkilled for not voting. | ||
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TELL ME WHY THE HELL YOU DECIDED THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO BE ALL AGGRESSIVE IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS GAME RIGHT NOW everybody agrees that your case was weak and i think it looks really fake, full of dumb contradictions and grasping in the thin air, tell me why you decided to be all pissed off and make bad cases instead of playing your usual game? I'm also going to vote marvellosity just to get a lynch. I prefer lynches to no lynches and I don't think that marvellosity is clear townie at all. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote MrZentor Here's a post I wrote earlier today on why I think your case was forced. Alright ##Vote MrZentor On April 22 2012 10:42 MrZentor wrote: *sigh* I'm going to have to make a really long post.1 His first post is just him taking a jab at Ace and stating the obvious that should be done without saying.2 You and Prphlz waste a bunch more space over that discussion of the hydra signing its posts; this shouldn't happen.3 All this post does is lay suspicion on VE.4 Wasting time doing stupid stuff..5 The only useful question is the last one.6 He then attacks me for answering the only question that wasn't ridiculously irrelevant.7 He accuses me of not being constructive after wasting a ton of space on why the hydra should sign its posts! 8 He's also saying that "I just made a picture, how's that dull?" isn't a stupid question.9 He seems like the type of scum that spends all of its time on answering obvious questions and asking useless ones; it's the type that appears pro town if you skim, but if you read carefully, it's all useless fluff.10 I'm not certain he is scum yet, but I am amazed at how scummy somebody can seem within the first four hours of the game. 1: This is actually the most important part, he seems very reluctant and bothered with having to explain his scum read. With the fervor he's been showing so far it looks like that was actually mostly for show and he doesn't want to push me at all. 2: This is misrepresentation, I'm not taking a jab at Ace at all, I'm predicting something and then I'm arguing with it. It was the first post of the game, isn't this a pretty good way to start out? Then he complains that hydra signing "should be done without saying", while he's saying in this post that he actually wanted to say that! So when I say it then it's fluff, but when he says it then it's alright? 3: This seems so incredibly forced, why is he complaining about some clarifying discussion in the first 5 posts of a game? Is he even complaining about me, because I actually didn't start the discussion, Forumite did. 4: I actually didn't mean anything by it but lets run with the "I was trying to lay suspicion on VisceraEyes" idea. So what if I were even trying that? He did just about the same thing himself when he called out for VisceraEyes and Bluelightz presence. 5: It seems like you're trying to remember how the hell you find scum and then you just default to a crappy PBP analysis. So what if I posted a dumb picture? 6: You yourself admitted that your self-vote was just to get responses (and specifically from me), and now a question where I'm responding to it is dumb? How is it dumb to ask you how two players that you want to show up will make the thread better, shouldn't we all strive to make the thread better? You are desperately grasping for whatever the fuck here. 7: So what? How does this make me scum? You are just describing stuff here, while enforcing the notion that I am only doing stupid stuff. 8: This is so hilarious considering that you yourself posted that you wanted to talk about that! You know who started the whole hydra discussion? Forumite did that! Why are you attacking me for discussing random stuff during the first five posts of a game? Jesus christ you're grasping here. 9: So what? 10: This seems so very much like he's just decided that I'm scum and then he says I'm the kind of scum who does something he thinks I'm doing in the thread. There's nothing here to show that I'm scum, he's just saying I'm the kind of scum who does what he says I'm doing. Like he had the conclusion (I'm scum) before the "argument" (I'm asking and answering questions). 11: You're amazed but you don't think to question it? I know that a bunch of you would say "he's attracting too much attention to be scum" and ordinarily that would be a valid point, but I think that it looks like he's faking the aggressiveness and the attention hogging is just a by product that he didn't care much about. Last time MrZentor was scum was in Death Factory Mafia 2 where he was caught by this analysis and it's only logical that he would try not to fall into that same behavior again. I'd like to hear MrZentor explain what the hell got into him the first two pages of this game. @Ace What do you think? As of now MrZentor blatantly ignores my question about why he decided to be all piss and vinegar in the beginning of this game. It seems forced as I think townies would either just answer the question or attack me for tunneling or whatever. I have no idea why anyone would just ignore me. Note to self: Next game you start out by self voting and saying that you're town for auto-confirmation. | ||
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Medic/Jailer on Radfield tonight. Vigilante/SK on MrZentor. | ||
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Can you give me some more input on MrZentor please. I still think that he is the scummiest in this thread. I know that you guys think that it's not mafia like to draw attention to themselves with an overly aggressive style like that, but I'm arguing that it looks forced and fake (and it's not townie style either!). With the amount of ad hominem jabs he's taken at me and Forumite he's either scum or an asshole and from the communication I just had with him in Space Station, he seemed like a really cool guy. He's just ignoring me now which makes absolutely no sense to me, I imagine that a townie would either try to explain stuff to me (since I'm actively trying to understand) or he would call me scum but he does neither and it seems really fake. I'm really angry with myself for not just pushing his lynch harder yesterday and getting it over with, he's going to be such an annoying factor in this game for me from now on no matter what his alignment is. What do you think about the no-lynch? Isn't it weird that town didn't just scramble for "information lynch" or whatever? I see it as a huge mistake that we didn't just lynch MrZentor yesterday. I should just have pushed his lynch harder. | ||
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I'm pushing MrZentor tomorrow by the way. I think that Radfield is town and I respect his opinions but I also think that day1 reads are his biggest (only?) weakness. | ||
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I like how you know you're not getting hit tonight, most people who think are "obviously innocent" are afraid of getting shot. | ||
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On April 25 2012 07:00 MrZentor wrote: If I'm being as disruptive as you say I am, Prphlz, why would I fear the mafia? Because you're not thinking from my POV, duh. You said yourself that you're "obviously innocent" so you think you're obviously innocent and people who think they're obviously innocent are mostly afraid of getting hit. Additionally, you obviously think you're going somewhere with this "new style" you're allegedly trying out or else you would change it or at least explain it, so that's another reason a guy like you would be afraid. | ||
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Since no one claimed roleblocked there is no jailer. It's also doubtful that there should be a scum roleblocker (unless they RB+hit SamuelLJackson but that would seem weird). This means that scum has at least one framer or one godfather (unless they're all vanilla which also seems weird). If they got a framer then there's no doubt they'd be using him defensively and I think Ace would be a very likely target. Some quick math: 50% chance of there being a godfather, 33% chance of that godfather being Ace That's 50% chance that the check would come back green in case Ace is scum, which makes the check itself pretty useless in my opinion. I noticed that strongandbig's one-time-padd plan was breakable by scum; that is, if we had decided to go through with it then scum could use it to figure out who the masons were. + Show Spoiler [Boring stuff] + The whole deal is that it's an unbreakable one-time-padd, but he's suggesting that we use it twice so it becomes breakable. The encryption method encrypts characters independently so I'll just be dealing with single characters. N1: first character in the nick of player1 (could be anyone) Thoughts? | ||
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I don't think that your case on VisceraEyes is all too strong. You are saying multiple times "Come on VisceraEyes, you know that this is scummy" and "Come on VisceraEyes, you know that this is no way to scum hunt", but that really just shows that "sticking your neck out" and "shooting from the hip" that you're finding elsewhere (where it isn't). I don't in any way think that VisceraEyes is town, but I see no reason to lynch VisceraEyes today. | ||
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I wonder if any of this has anything to do with how you are getting lynched and how I'm not getting lynched. | ||
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I don't really know why I voted Snarfs, I think strongandbig had a decent case on him and I was pretty frustrated with how the game was going. I have scum reads but I need to read up on the thread and I'm not posting reads during the night. I'm most likely just going to sheep Radfield from now on though, but he's probably dead tomorrow. | ||
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As I understand it (I did read it so reading is not the issue), you are saying that "Bluelightz' defense of MrZentor was not good enough to convince himself if he were town, so he must have had prior knowledge and consequently be scum" but this depends on two things: the evidence itself and the guy who has to be convinced by it. Do you think that the evidence the Bluelightz proposed was too bad to convince a town Bluelightz of MrZentor's innocence? I think it was a pretty bad defense too because I think it was plain wrong, MrZentor has no meta of playing anything like this as town. | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I bet you don't scum - I think you'd be dead already if you weren't scum. How? Lynch or NK? | ||
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On April 28 2012 07:07 Radfield wrote: prplhz, who do you think is scum? Really? I thought MrZentor was scum, do you really want my opinion? | ||
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I'm looking forward to seeing where this marvellosity pressure is going. | ||
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You haven't really done anything all game. | ||
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Do you actually think that anybody is scum? | ||
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You seem to be very blunt about how you don't have any reads but that doesn't actually look town, it looks like a scum who heard someone say that being blunt is a town trait. Right now what you're saying is "I have no thoughts on the game and we should no-lynch today", and that is in no way pro-town. | ||
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strongandbig hasn't done anything all game and at the same time he's also not really been called out. I think he's scum so lets lynch him. Anybody have anything against this? | ||
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I want to lynch strongandbig. The case on him is that his filter is empty, his posting style is weird and he has not been called out yet. He was the ultimate sheep vote on MrZentor and his big contribution has been his mason plan which was not a contribution since masons have successfully crumbed since the beginning of time without one-time-padds or any other cryptological remedy. He wasn't even called out for it when I pointed out how his plan was broken even though that was a perfect opportunity for scum to jump him, a really safe case that scum should like. He smells like a scum and I want him to die. I'm going to lynch marvellosity if he's the alternative though 'cause I don't want another day1 no-lynch fiasco. | ||
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If you don't want to lynch strongandbig today then lets just lynch him tomorrow. As I already said, I'll mislynch marvellosity just to avoid a day1 fiasco. | ||
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Yes I am serious. If I was king then I would lynch strongandbig over marvellosity. You seem a little angry that I'm stomping on your lynch like this but I don't think that marvellosity is scum and I said this yesterday too and now I'm saying that I'd like to lynch strongandbig. I have no idea what the problem is with this, except it's probably infeasible as you just pointed out. | ||
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I said in my very first post 20 minutes ago that I would prefer lynching marvellosity over a no-lynch because that sucked on day1. How the hell is that trying to force no-lynch or derail discussion? | ||
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The timing was pretty bad, I agree with you on that but I don't think that anything else is bad. I wrote my case up there, it's not really going to get better. | ||
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Coincidence or fate? | ||
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On April 30 2012 05:43 Forumite wrote: Sorry, not following what you are refering to here. Radfield said Ace "reeks of scum" so Ace is pretty easy to make a case on. | ||
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Also, we're probably going to find scum among the people who didn't show up. None of them apparently cares about lynch because we're lynching a townie anyways. | ||
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Why would a scum say "Please lynch me" when he doesn't even have majority? He would say "Don't lynch me" and then he might live another day, he wouldn't give a shit about town well being. The whole point of lynching him right now is town well being because he is town and because people suspect him for some reason. Really, lets just into a lurker that Snarfs decides or something like that. He can flip a coin or whatever, we're a lot better off doing that than lynching marvellosity. Don't compare anyone to MrZentor please. | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:37 Forumite wrote: It depends on what people do when you tell them to lynch you. Rofl. If you tell them to lynch you then they will most likely lynch you. Either you're town and they should listen to you or you're scum and they should still listen to you. You don't go around as scum relying on convoluted plans that require people to actually think further than they absolutely have to. So Forumite, Snarfs, Sbrubbles, should people hammer or are you content with the no-lynch that we're heading to? | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:42 strongandbig wrote: Well, I don't think an Ace lynch is looking in the cards for today. I haven't really heard anything from Marv that strongly changes my mind about what I said earlier. ##unvote ##vote: Marvellosity Still not sure about this. If you're not sure then why are you voting him? Please, a couple of sentences if you would be so kind! | ||
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##Unvote marvellosity I don't understand Ace. | ||
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On April 30 2012 20:09 Bluelightz wrote: Bleh. Ace, youve run out of easy targets plz make a fucking case? I don't think your scum any more. I really want to utterly destory brubbles but I guess I didnt defend marv I guess :/. mind = clusterfuck. I really think that lynching into marv voters today would net us a scum but idk anymore. We're lynching strongandbig tomorrow. You should read his filter and convince yourself that he is scum before he flips. | ||
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On May 01 2012 03:30 Ace wrote: Show the proof Snarfs, you know the deal about just throwing theories around. Like you showed the proof of MrZentor being scum? I could conceivably get on board an Ace lynch since day2. I was trying to stall it a bit because I thought he'd get shot at night but there's no way in hell that scum is going to shoot this. Also, I'm writing a response Snarfs whether you want it or not. | ||
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And no more of this "that's what they want you to believe!" bullshit, that's the first time I've seen that sentiment this strong and it's permeating every thought of every townie right now. Stop it. | ||
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On May 01 2012 03:46 Ace wrote: I showed my proof of Zentor being Scum with quotes to back it up. I don't just start throwing everyone's name around like some people around here. "my proof" "my proof" Sounds like you couldn't bring yourself to say "a proof" or "the proof". A proof is a process that establishes truth, but the only truths in a mafia game are the flips. Apparently you meant "evidence" or "quotes". So you don't throw everyone's names around? You know what else you don't? Anything. It's day4 and a self proclaimed "God of mafia" hasn't done anything yet. What the fuck. Also, inb4 Snarfs says "now they're bussing each other". That's another case of conclusions before analysis that his entire case on me is very burdened with. | ||
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My cases are always short and always weak, that's probably one of the reasons nobody ever listens to me. I could mention my case on MrZentor in Death Factory Mafia 2, you can go read that. It's a more wordy version of the case I have on strongandbig right now but it's pretty much the same. Or you can look at the case I made on Artanis[Xp] in TL Mafia LVI, that was equally "weak". You can also look at how I just dismiss Artanis[Xp]'s defense in that game, I'm pretty sure he is scum and I don't want to argue shit with him. I know my case is "weak" because I can't really explain it any more to you than what I've already done. The most important thing I'm doing is that I'm pointing out that he is scum and telling you to read his filter and then that should convince. I'm also perfectly aware that my day1 and day2 were ruined by some guy who decided to make those a horrible experience for me by demonstratively being a douchebag. That's also why I had a break day2, I couldn't read one more of his posts after the "Why are you even playing this game?" post so I took some time off of teamliquid.net. All I can say is that I'm pretty sure that strongandbig is scum and now I'm pushing it as hard as I can. As for the "he's trying to set up day2 lynch", why is that even scum? I'm never trying to ruin discussion (and we have always had plenty of time for that even though he didn't use it all that well), I was telling Radfield that we were lynching MrZentor as a way of pushing MrZentor. I didn't want people to leave his lynch and if I didn't fight for it then it might not happen. Even though you are really tunneling me right here you played a pretty good game, I was absolutely sure that you were town even before your shot on VisceraEyes and that shot was also really nice. For people reading Snarfs' case on me, don't ask yourself "Is this scum?", because you can always find a way to spin something as scummy (which Snarfs shows quite skillfully in his analysis of me), you should ask yourself "Is this something scum is likely to do?" and then you should read my filter. And ask me questions 'cause I'm around. | ||
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"But how do you know that there are lurkers about?" there are always people coming in close to deadline. Even though 2.5 hours before was cutting it a little short for a vote-switch, just see how many people showed up (and later than me), we could easily have succeeded! I'm pretty pissed that you and Forumite and Sbrubbles weren't sufficiently around to agree to a no-lynch, or even a switch to someone else because that would have helped us a lot. I wasn't around day2? I was around in the beginning to secure the lynch and then I took a break. I was around again day3. No, I'm not going to tell you why I was very sure that you were town. I'm not blue or anything it was just how you appeared to me in the thread. marvellosity was mislynched and I unvoted with him at 6 votes. I was a little conflicted about this because I thought people might yell at me for ultimately voting for a guy who I was simultaneously saying was town, but when I saw that his lynch was secure I unvoted him. If you read the thread you can see me ask you three people who wanted to lynch him to take care of business and brow beat people into doing whatever you felt like, even though I prefer lynches to no-lynches it's not really me who should be trying to secure it when I'm quite sure it's a mislynch. There was no desperation, and how would desperation even be scummy? Why would I, in your words, be "desperate" and make up a "weak case" that I would "have to follow" when a mislynch was coming up? Why would I up to the deadline say "this guy is really town, look at him and the stuff he is saying" and try to convince you three of a no-lynch (you were the reason we mislynched, a mislynch is only preferable if people think that the person is actually scum). Really, I was doing what was best for town and while you say that 2.5 hours before deadline is a little late, look when everybody else came in. Even later. There's really a lot of information to gain at a deadline and that's sometimes when you get really sure of stuff. I hope we can have a better deadline next time. (not setting up for a vote-switch from scumbuddy strongandbig or whatever you might spin on this) | ||
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So yes, he was coming around, he wasn't all "shoot prplhz in the face" when he died. Everybody needs to show up. | ||
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On May 01 2012 09:20 Ace wrote: I dont know how a post in big red letters accusing you of Scum is undercut by future posts where he isn't flaming around. Meh w/e. Jesus. This post is Ace saying "Snarfs thinks that prplhz is scum", which might be right and might not be right but it's totally irrelevant. He keeps saying "Where's the case? Where's the proof? Where are the quotes?", but he isn't presenting anything here, he's just slandering me by saying that a confirmed townie thought that I was scum to enforce the idea that I'm scum. | ||
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On May 02 2012 07:30 Ace wrote: Well I'm sure not gonna vote for phagga now prphlz how come you jump to conclusions so fast?! funny considering how you voted for him yesterday while yelling scum | ||
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There were more people who didn't give a fuck about the lynch and that sucks for town and you guys suck (jk <3 u). There's more to this but my head feels like it's twice its normal size so you'll have to excuse me. strongandbig's filter has some noncontributions and he was wobbling quite a bit on VisceraEyes even though he had strong opinions on most everybody else, but there are also quite some flashes of genuinely wanting to help town and thinking hard and being open minded about things so he's off for now. | ||
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also, i did look at your filter @bluelightz i don't know why you insist on ace being town, he himself claims that he's a "god of mafia" but have you seen him do anything townie this game? why did you think that radfield was town? because he played really well, and that's what good players should be judged by. ace is not doing well at all this game. unless he is scum. | ||
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there's no roleblocker (since nobody was blocked yet) so there is either a framer or a godfather. so it's 50% chance that ace would show up as town when checked even if he is scum, which makes the check pretty useless. | ||
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scum shot radfield because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game scum shot snarfs because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game (except his case on me but he was coming around) scum didn't shoot ace even though he's "confirmed town" through a check and he's quite good at this game doesn't add up to me | ||
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this is another reason that [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14548768] this post was so bad, ace is not voting phagga because of something that i did. that post is bad on so many levels that ace has to be trolling this game. | ||
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it's really silly to think that everything scum does is intentionally trying to further scum agenda which, snarfs was trying to show. that's very often not necessary and scum will try more to stay out of the spotlight than try to disrupt anything. | ||
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On May 03 2012 03:13 strongandbig wrote: what, how is that not valid? recently i made a lot of these weak cases as scum so clearly it's not a sign of me being mafia. how is that not valid?yea it is. hard to verify anything in a mafia game. mafia is not as much about truth as it is about likelyhood. how would you feel if i told you right now "you are so dumb that you should stop playing mafia altogether" even though i had made it very clear that i was annoyed by that kind of behavior? i know that i felt like not wanting to play mafia altogether. do you in any way think that these kinds of frustration can be faked by scum? do you think that scum says to himself "i'm going to tunnel a townie for 2 days in a row and then leave the game and cite frustrations because that would make everybody think that i'm town"? if there's any obs qt activity right now they would be screaming that i'm town.lol. "lol. "the important part is where I say he smells like scum.""+ Show Spoiler [Purplehaze's first defense post] + On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: My cases are always short and always weak, that's probably one of the reasons nobody ever listens to me. I could mention my case on MrZentor in Death Factory Mafia 2, you can go read that. It's a more wordy version of the case I have on strongandbig right now but it's pretty much the same. Or you can look at the case I made on Artanis[Xp] in TL Mafia LVI, that was equally "weak". You can also look at how I just dismiss Artanis[Xp]'s defense in that game, I'm pretty sure he is scum and I don't want to argue shit with him. I know my case is "weak" because I can't really explain it any more to you than what I've already done. The most important thing I'm doing is that I'm pointing out that he is scum and telling you to read his filter and then that should convince. This isn't a real argument. prplhz is saying "I'm not making weak cases because I'm scummy, I'm making weak cases because that's what I always do. BTW guys he's scum." That doesn't actually explain why the cases are weak. Basically, this is a perfect way for mafia to hide; if you never have to make a real case on anyone because you just don't ever make real cases on anyone, then people can't suspect you for not ever making actual cases on anyone. seriously. you are grasping for straws here when you're attacking something that is clearly not meant as anything (other than hinting that my read is gutty). This is patently false. There was no need to push the Zentor lynch so hard; the bandwagon was moving. Sucking up to people attacking you seems pretty scummy to me. The WIFOM defense. He can't be scum, because scum wouldn't do that! If it's scummy then it's scummy then it's scummy then lynch it. + Show Spoiler [Purplehaze's second defense post] + On May 01 2012 05:28 prplhz wrote: strongandbig made false contributions, marvellosity was very blunt in his opinions. Really, it's not just what they said 'cause people say tons of shit all the time, it's the way they said it. When I say that strongandbig's filter is empty then I don't mean that if you click it then no posts show up, I mean that all his posts are pretty useless and it looks like he's just skirting by. It's gutty and we can lynch phagga instead if you want to but my gut tells me that strongandbig is the way to go. I wasn't perfectly sure about marvellosity's innocence until he said, at 4 votes and a bunch of people in the lurk, "people, just lynch me" because scum would never ever say stuff like that, it's too dangerous especially when there are lurkers about. Pretty sure Zentor said that same stuff. He just was more of a dick about it. We were even talking in the thread about how giving up like that can be a scum tell. Anyway this is a bunch of unwarranted assertions with no evidence, which aren't actually true. He eventually admits his read on me is a gut read too.e See Snarf's post (the part I quoted) for the explanation of why a no-lynch is better for scum than a mislynch. See above. Excuses for lurking = scummy imo. More gut reads with no evidence or assertions or anything. Great for scum, since their town gut reads never have to be wrong! Admits that he changes his actions based on what will get him criticized the least. This doesn't make sense. The "desperation" is in the fact that the case just doesn't exist. I "smell scummy to you"? Really, you just picked me out of a fucking hat. That's how serious your "case" seems. - There's the fact that puprlehaze combined a defense of VE and a push to keep Radfield from talking about non-Zentor lynch candidates, in the same post. - There's the random jumping around between lynch targets on Day 3. - There's the random jumping to Phagga as a lynch target today, too. Seriously, his whole filter is basically "pick someone random (me in this case) and tunnel them for no reason" combined with "but also randomly throw in votes and accusations at basically everyone else without ever explaining any reasons for those either." this is not really what i have done but, do you in any way think that scum would ever think "i am going to pick someone random (me in this case) and tunnel them for no reason but also randomly throw in votes and accusations at basically everyone else without ever explaining any reasons for those either"? no this is not WIFOM, it's clearly more likely that town would end up doing stuff like this (inadvertently!). | ||
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On May 03 2012 04:04 Ace wrote: lolol scum would shoot you n1 because no medic/jailer in their right mind would protect you. i'm conjecturing that you're intentionally playing badly to avoid suspicion when you survive too long (which is actually kind of good play which makes more sense considering that you're a god of mafia)I didn't want to give him a 3rd vote and let someone hammer him so early into the day. That's all So I'm not doing well this game, but I'd make an awesome Night 1 target? come on :/ if you end up in 2v1 and ace is alive then you kill him | ||
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if anybody thinks i'm scum after what just happened they need to get their brain fixed. we can easily agree that i'm not playing well or anything, but i'm really townie. | ||
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On May 03 2012 07:08 strongandbig wrote: I left at ten minutes before the deadline because I was playing starcraft. nothing should happen ten minutes before deadline. prplhz what was the point of you trying so hard to persuade phagga not to vote himself? If you think he's scum? scum don't lynch themselves. while he was voting himself i was really in doubt about his guilt but i saw that he was voting himself 13 minutes before deadline. it looked like he could be pulling a really bad stunt to gain sympathy. if he had done it 1 minutes before deadline it would have been something else and i would have unvoted him myself instantly 'cause then he would not be out for sympathy, but scum wouldn't do this 'cause it's too risky. anyway, if a townie is voting himself it is because he wants himself to die and he thought this through. but then i, a scum read of his, told him that it was a scum move to vote himself and he unvotes himself, listening to his scum read! you don't just vote yourself on a whim, you think this through. then how was i able to convince him otherwise in five minutes? because i called him scum and it was becoming apparent that no one else was unvoting him either. townies can have a reason to kill themselves (martyring for their reads, reducing town confusion) but scum can never have a reason to kill themselves. now you're apparently queuing games of starcraft 10 minutes before deadline while there are last minute vote switches. i'm really in doubt again. that was really shabby of you, sorry to say so but that's how i think. | ||
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a guy just voted himself and then unvoted himself all within 10 minutes before deadline. how do you feel about this and why? your opinions now please. this "give scum tips" is a myth perpetuated by scum who want an excuse not to say anything. | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:58 Ace wrote: on what specifically? The no lynch or him voting for himself? i don't talk to scum inb4 "where's the case" right up until he's lynched | ||
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yea lets not play with the results. i don't see what i want to see, i want to see scum but it's like i can't even see the tip of my own nose. people didn't ignore your case on bluelightz, they dismissed it with good reasons that you didn't even try to address. your case on bluelightz was that he was on the right side of a landslide lynch and that he accused 5 people, the first argument is just bad and the second argument was addressed by people telling you that it looked like he was actually trying to help people. i asked you why you ignored all behavioral analysis with bluelightz and you just ignored that. people didn't ignore you case on radfield, they dismissed it with good reasons that you didn't even try to address. your case on radfield was that he was on the right side of a landslide lynch. people told you that they thought he was town because he had claimed a role it was likely that there were only one of in this game and they didn't think it was likely that he had fake claimed it. he also looked like he was helping town. people kind of ignored you case on phagga because it was "he hammered someone close to deadline" which isn't a very convincing case. | ||
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On May 06 2012 08:50 Barundar wrote: certainly worked very well. Really poor by town to self vote at mylo, that's not playing to win and poor sportsmanship imo. meh he was kinda pushed into it by me and it wouldn't have changed anything anyway | ||
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On May 06 2012 10:07 Forumite wrote: prplhz was 100% town, he just thought I was town too. i don't know why i think you were town, i was in a very similar situation in NMMI where there was some townie getting on my nerves and some scum semi-buddying up to me and i knew this could be kind of the same and i was very aware of this. i just didn't think there was anything scummy about you, i think your zentor push looked townie and you didn't just sheep me on every decision (strongandbig). but i was very aware straight from day1 of how this could be a repeat of NMMI where a towny was stomping all over my nerves and a scum was buddying up to me ... and it was lol | ||
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